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I think it's probably better that things get dragged out to the point that UCP polling starts splitting off in multiple directions etc. The Progressive Tories can probably siphon a lot of the disenfranchised urban ex-PC voters to them and push the UCP back to predominantly it's rural WRP ridings At that point the UCP will probably be too weak to form a government and whatever party gets control after will almost certainly be a near universal improvement in every category.
I didn’t say they were wrong. I said they were confused. Because I’m being polite and the way I want to describe them will get me admin banned from Reddit.
I'm torn. Under normal circumstances with a government that has a slight sense of decorum and shame, yes, waiting it out would be ideal. The problem is that the UCP have neither. Both Smith and her ministers have complained vocally about having their "right infringed" because they see themselves entitled to the conservative vote.
They already introduced legislation banning the PC party by name, and are railroading legislation that will take away powers from Elections Alberta and give the government itself the ability to approve or deny candidates with very little in the way of checks or balances. If the UCP entrenches itself and gets everything through, they'll win simply by being able to snap their fingers, claim "voters are confused", and remove Tory candidates from ridings where a vote split might result in a UCP loss.
Before anyone replies with "this is hyperbole", this scenario is something right from her own Justice Minister's mouth as justification for the legislation. They want to do this.
Bill 14, among other things, gives Amery the ability to approve or reject proposed party names, and automatically bans the use of 'Conservative' and a few other phrases on the basis of 'voter confusion'.
The initial version of the bill also shifted approval for candidacies from Elections Alberta to Amery's office, though it was amended out with the intention of being addressed in a separate bill later. We're just waiting to see that part.
As for the source, it was straight from Smith's radio show. I'll edit this comment once I have a link to the specific recording.
They already introduced legislation banning the PC party by name, and are railroading legislation that will take away powers from Elections Alberta and give the government itself the ability to approve or deny candidates with very little in the way of checks or balances.
This is some tin-pot dictator nonsense right here.
Next we're going to find out February has been renamed "Marlaina" and nobody can take a driving test until they've memorized her book.
Looking at the polling right now, I'm not see how a strong likelihood of an NDP win. Everyone's been expecting the wheels to come off the bus for most of Smith's tenure, but if for no other reason than some real-life demonstration of the prisoners' dilemma, her caucus is staying put.
The one parties that got above 1% of the vote were the UCP and Alberta Party. UCP is the UCP and Alberta Party got taken over by Peter Guthrie and renamed to be a progressive conservative party in its name.
Its basically if the ANDP can get ebough swing voters away from the UCP. Notley got more votes in 2023 than when she formed government because of a right wing vote splitting and bad economy. Gonna take mobilization to win, not vote grabbing.
With the UCP having deliberately cleared the path for the separatist referendum, they won't be wanting to call an election until that is wrapped up or else it'll get cancelled, which means nothing will happen for at least four months. The walls might close in on the UCP even more in those months, so if nothing else it'll be fun to see them squirm in that time.
Yep. Even if the separatists are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things because they don’t have much support and are not that organized either it’s better for the UCP to let the process play out.
I have a nagging doubt to his credibility as the Leader of the NDP. As a Mayor he was a big supporter of the Oil and Gas industry. This goes against traditional NDP thinking.
If the Renamed Alberta Party is truly a centrist party I may look at them. However, if that Party's act isn't together by the next election. I will probably hold my nose and vote NDP.
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I think it's probably better that things get dragged out to the point that UCP polling starts splitting off in multiple directions etc. The Progressive Tories can probably siphon a lot of the disenfranchised urban ex-PC voters to them and push the UCP back to predominantly it's rural WRP ridings At that point the UCP will probably be too weak to form a government and whatever party gets control after will almost certainly be a near universal improvement in every category.
This is pure wishcasting, the Progressive Tories aren't going to siphon off anybody but a few confused ESL voters.
Vanishingly few UCP voters are going to wish to return the NDP to power over perceived internal squabbles.
The only confused voters are the PC voters voting UCP. UCP is anything but conservative. They’re the Wildrose Party with palatable branding.
So a plurality of voters are just confused.
"The voters are wrong" is lousy messaging.
I didn’t say they were wrong. I said they were confused. Because I’m being polite and the way I want to describe them will get me admin banned from Reddit.
I'm torn. Under normal circumstances with a government that has a slight sense of decorum and shame, yes, waiting it out would be ideal. The problem is that the UCP have neither. Both Smith and her ministers have complained vocally about having their "right infringed" because they see themselves entitled to the conservative vote.
They already introduced legislation banning the PC party by name, and are railroading legislation that will take away powers from Elections Alberta and give the government itself the ability to approve or deny candidates with very little in the way of checks or balances. If the UCP entrenches itself and gets everything through, they'll win simply by being able to snap their fingers, claim "voters are confused", and remove Tory candidates from ridings where a vote split might result in a UCP loss.
Before anyone replies with "this is hyperbole", this scenario is something right from her own Justice Minister's mouth as justification for the legislation. They want to do this.
Do you have a good credible source for this?
I'd love to share it with some folks.
Bill 14, among other things, gives Amery the ability to approve or reject proposed party names, and automatically bans the use of 'Conservative' and a few other phrases on the basis of 'voter confusion'.
The initial version of the bill also shifted approval for candidacies from Elections Alberta to Amery's office, though it was amended out with the intention of being addressed in a separate bill later. We're just waiting to see that part.
As for the source, it was straight from Smith's radio show. I'll edit this comment once I have a link to the specific recording.
Thanks!
This is some tin-pot dictator nonsense right here.
Next we're going to find out February has been renamed "Marlaina" and nobody can take a driving test until they've memorized her book.
Looking at the polling right now, I'm not see how a strong likelihood of an NDP win. Everyone's been expecting the wheels to come off the bus for most of Smith's tenure, but if for no other reason than some real-life demonstration of the prisoners' dilemma, her caucus is staying put.
Will the NDP and other parties work together to prevent vote splitting?
The one parties that got above 1% of the vote were the UCP and Alberta Party. UCP is the UCP and Alberta Party got taken over by Peter Guthrie and renamed to be a progressive conservative party in its name.
Its basically if the ANDP can get ebough swing voters away from the UCP. Notley got more votes in 2023 than when she formed government because of a right wing vote splitting and bad economy. Gonna take mobilization to win, not vote grabbing.
The other parties are conservative parties.
With the UCP having deliberately cleared the path for the separatist referendum, they won't be wanting to call an election until that is wrapped up or else it'll get cancelled, which means nothing will happen for at least four months. The walls might close in on the UCP even more in those months, so if nothing else it'll be fun to see them squirm in that time.
Yep. Even if the separatists are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things because they don’t have much support and are not that organized either it’s better for the UCP to let the process play out.
I struggle with Nenshi as the leader but the UPC needs to be toppled. I need to look into the new party whatever name they are calling it today.
In the interests of furthering political discourse, why do you struggle with Nenshi?
I have a nagging doubt to his credibility as the Leader of the NDP. As a Mayor he was a big supporter of the Oil and Gas industry. This goes against traditional NDP thinking.
If the Renamed Alberta Party is truly a centrist party I may look at them. However, if that Party's act isn't together by the next election. I will probably hold my nose and vote NDP.
We have to get rid of this UCP party.
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