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What is the point of a refugee system if all the prior rulings can be disregarded years later by another tribunal on humanitarian grounds. How much money did we waste processing his appeals only for all the rulings to be nullified
And how in the world are they still in Canada in 2024 to get the humanitarian exemption?
Id rather have 10 TFWs to this one terrorist wannabe
The best interests of a minor child is likely the basis on which the entire family got PR on H&C grounds when they were otherwise completely ineligible. Kids are mere pawns in this game.
Probably fairly often I’d imagine. People learn the rules and loopholes and ways to play them to their advantage - especially as it relates to our Justice and immigration systems.
It's not even that they learn them -- in many cases, activist/NGO groups actively coach them how to play the system and the proper stories to tell in order to maximize their time after a denial before being obligated to leave the country. It's always made me scratch my head a bit as to why we allow that -- in almost every other case, coaching somebody to lie in court (even lying by omission) is a crime, so why do we allow these organizations to help people cook up dodgy tales in order to obtain a favourable judgment in immigration hearings? Maybe I'm not privy to exactly how this works -- I'm not a lawyer, after all -- but it seems very fishy to me that you can tell somebody "just destroy your documents and don't ever say which country you're from, then they'll have to let you stay", or "if you get denied, appeal and say you're queer and chances are they'll let you stay" and that's A-OK.
I know someone who had a nutcase tenant who would bring her kids to court and they would on cue have raging temper tantrums until the judge just delayed the hearing until the nutcase could find childcare, then she would return with the kids saying she couldn't find childcare and the tantrums repeated.
And this is why they get away with it, because the first thought for a lot of people is to believe them no matter what. This is why Canadian systems are getting taken advantage of, the vast majority of the world is not high-trust like Canada is.
I mean, I do tend to believe people unless/until they give me a reason not to.
More importantly, tenants have a right to participate in these hearings, which determine the future of their housing. I’d rather see someone who ‘should’ be evicted given more time to which they perhaps were not really entitled because they were given the benefit of the doubt than risk someone who shouldn’t be evicted losing their housing because they couldn’t find or afford child care on the day of their hearing.
The most alarming part of this story, operating on the assumption his parents are not complete psychopaths who groomed him for terror, this asshole, who arrived in Canada at the age of eleven via Roxham Road was radicalized here. Azerbaijan is not a hotbed of antisemitism.
They didn’t stay in the U.S. because “I heard that Canada is better in terms of refugee asylum,” he added.
They should have been sent back across the border to the United States to begin with because they do not meet an exception under the Canada-U.S. Safe Third Country Agreement. Shopping for countries to claim refugee status in is already a sign that there's something else going on beyond being a "refugee."
They were denied refugee status three times in a row but somehow got residence on humanitarian and compassionate grounds, which per the government website is an "exceptional" measure and "not simply another means of applying for permanent resident status in Canada."
Absolutely wild. Why do we even have an immigration system with multiple layers of rulings and appeals if it's going to be overruled for people like this.
H&C applications frequently come down to the best interests of a minor child. The fact his parents brought him along meant he would have opportunity to become entrenched in Canada during the refugee claim (and appeal) process and then, once the refugee claim was deemed bogus, his entrenchment in Canada created new grounds for the Minister to then give the entire family PR status to avoid the unfortunate alternative of (again) uprooting a minor child. In effect, while the law tries to be humanitarian and compassionate in trying to minimize adverse impact to minor children, it creates an incentive for adults to use their minor children like pawns and intentionally uproot him from his home to come along to Canada to improve the chances of the parents getting to stay in Canada. It's a complex issue that requires balance, but the balance we have right now is focussed on minimizing harm to foreign nationals at the expense of harm to Canadians, which is currently not right.
It's a complex issue that requires balance, but the balance we have right now is focussed on minimizing harm to foreign nationals at the expense of harm to Canadians, which is currently not right.
Don't have anything to add, but I wanted to highlight this because I think it's a salient point.
This is why people are so anti-immigration right now.. It's not that they don't want people to come in, they just don't understand how shit like this can happen.
It's also that they are continually told that these problems rarely happen and/or don't exist, despite them occurring regularly now. I guess this is just another case of something that doesn't happen, happening. Perhaps I need a new prescription from my optometrist or something? My eyes are clearly lying to me.
What are "these problems" that are ostensibly "occurring regularly now?"
I'm not going to defend the Trudeau Liberals' immigration policy, but nor will I accept without evidence the suggestion that unsuccessful asylum claimants are now "regularly" committing hate crimes.
ballooning refugee claims to an unsustainable level, ballooning temp resident population to an unsustainable level to the point it has now made programs like H and C useless (the processing times is like over 4 years
Abuse of the immigration system and scamming the good will of the country for one. You have literally 100,000+ examples of it happening just with the people crossing at Roxham road, in violation of the safe country rule.
What are “these problems” that are ostensibly “occurring regularly now”?
Rampant abuse and manipulation of our immigration and justice systems, as the article itself cites an example of?
Carney’s Liberals appear to agree there’s a problem (though I don’t think they’ve done enough) after introducing law changes that would deny asylum hearings to people who’ve been in Canada for a year. You have foreign students seeking asylum at the expiry of their visa so they have a few more years in the country. There are a number of these types of examples that undermine confidence in our systems.
Sure, they haven’t broadly committed hate crimes but I think the point here is the concerted effort to play out immigration and justice systems like fiddles to further their own goals. At this point I’m not even sure how one can deny it’s the case.
This man's immigration application from almost a decade ago is the least important thing about his case.
We have one person who committed a crime, what are we doing highlighting his failed application? Obviously it's to make people think immigrants are committing crime en masse.
Highlighting a failed application, highlights a systemic issue with our immigration/refugee system. It’s to make people think that the system is broken and many Would agree what you think about the details of their immigration (3x failed refugee applicants, still allowed to stay etc)
The post headline is a bit misleading in that he would have been 12 years old when denied refugee status.
He is 19 years old in 2025, denied status in 2018.
Not excusing the allegations, if he is guilty then he deserves the appropriate sentence determined by the judge.
I just think that bringing in the refugee status makes it seem like a young adult such as pictured was denied yet then goes on to commit the allegations.
Well look at it this way, his family has history of disregarding rules and regulations. Kid grows up to become connected to ISIS and attempts to kidnap multiple women at gun point. There are legitimate refuge claimants and there are people like this guy who has no place in Canada.
Thank you for agreeing with me - the headline about something happening when he was a 12 year old is irrelevant to allegations he faces as an adult and he must face accountability as determined by the judge.
No, it's very relevant: if he was removed from the country when he was denied status as a child, he would not be here as an adult to commit these hate crimes.
I don't think it's misleading really? I don't see the difference between what your describing and the headline. His whole family including the adults in the family were denied, so the principle is the exact same no?
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Denied in 2018? How on earth is he still here then?
What’s even the point of having immigration rules if we seemingly do not properly enforce them or have them eligible to be appealed into uselessness?
Forget tightening immigration rules, we need to start with actually enforcing and using the rules we already have.
What is the point of a refugee system if all the prior rulings can be disregarded years later by another tribunal on humanitarian grounds. How much money did we waste processing his appeals only for all the rulings to be nullified
And how in the world are they still in Canada in 2024 to get the humanitarian exemption?
Id rather have 10 TFWs to this one terrorist wannabe
oh no humanity is complicated, is that why simpletons vote for false strong men who lead with simple ignorance?
I wonder how often people bring their kids to the hearings and play dumb. It bought them 3 extra months while they rescheduled.
The best interests of a minor child is likely the basis on which the entire family got PR on H&C grounds when they were otherwise completely ineligible. Kids are mere pawns in this game.
Probably fairly often I’d imagine. People learn the rules and loopholes and ways to play them to their advantage - especially as it relates to our Justice and immigration systems.
It's not even that they learn them -- in many cases, activist/NGO groups actively coach them how to play the system and the proper stories to tell in order to maximize their time after a denial before being obligated to leave the country. It's always made me scratch my head a bit as to why we allow that -- in almost every other case, coaching somebody to lie in court (even lying by omission) is a crime, so why do we allow these organizations to help people cook up dodgy tales in order to obtain a favourable judgment in immigration hearings? Maybe I'm not privy to exactly how this works -- I'm not a lawyer, after all -- but it seems very fishy to me that you can tell somebody "just destroy your documents and don't ever say which country you're from, then they'll have to let you stay", or "if you get denied, appeal and say you're queer and chances are they'll let you stay" and that's A-OK.
This happens in evictions too.
I know someone who had a nutcase tenant who would bring her kids to court and they would on cue have raging temper tantrums until the judge just delayed the hearing until the nutcase could find childcare, then she would return with the kids saying she couldn't find childcare and the tantrums repeated.
It's interesting that you'd assume that was a ruse rather than simply a parent with challenging kids who did not have access to childcare.
And this is why they get away with it, because the first thought for a lot of people is to believe them no matter what. This is why Canadian systems are getting taken advantage of, the vast majority of the world is not high-trust like Canada is.
I mean, I do tend to believe people unless/until they give me a reason not to.
More importantly, tenants have a right to participate in these hearings, which determine the future of their housing. I’d rather see someone who ‘should’ be evicted given more time to which they perhaps were not really entitled because they were given the benefit of the doubt than risk someone who shouldn’t be evicted losing their housing because they couldn’t find or afford child care on the day of their hearing.
Yeah, I didn't even scratch the surface of this woman's crazy.
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The most alarming part of this story, operating on the assumption his parents are not complete psychopaths who groomed him for terror, this asshole, who arrived in Canada at the age of eleven via Roxham Road was radicalized here. Azerbaijan is not a hotbed of antisemitism.
They should have been sent back across the border to the United States to begin with because they do not meet an exception under the Canada-U.S. Safe Third Country Agreement. Shopping for countries to claim refugee status in is already a sign that there's something else going on beyond being a "refugee."
They were denied refugee status three times in a row but somehow got residence on humanitarian and compassionate grounds, which per the government website is an "exceptional" measure and "not simply another means of applying for permanent resident status in Canada."
Absolutely wild. Why do we even have an immigration system with multiple layers of rulings and appeals if it's going to be overruled for people like this.
H&C applications frequently come down to the best interests of a minor child. The fact his parents brought him along meant he would have opportunity to become entrenched in Canada during the refugee claim (and appeal) process and then, once the refugee claim was deemed bogus, his entrenchment in Canada created new grounds for the Minister to then give the entire family PR status to avoid the unfortunate alternative of (again) uprooting a minor child. In effect, while the law tries to be humanitarian and compassionate in trying to minimize adverse impact to minor children, it creates an incentive for adults to use their minor children like pawns and intentionally uproot him from his home to come along to Canada to improve the chances of the parents getting to stay in Canada. It's a complex issue that requires balance, but the balance we have right now is focussed on minimizing harm to foreign nationals at the expense of harm to Canadians, which is currently not right.
Don't have anything to add, but I wanted to highlight this because I think it's a salient point.
This is why people are so anti-immigration right now.. It's not that they don't want people to come in, they just don't understand how shit like this can happen.
It's also that they are continually told that these problems rarely happen and/or don't exist, despite them occurring regularly now. I guess this is just another case of something that doesn't happen, happening. Perhaps I need a new prescription from my optometrist or something? My eyes are clearly lying to me.
What are "these problems" that are ostensibly "occurring regularly now?"
I'm not going to defend the Trudeau Liberals' immigration policy, but nor will I accept without evidence the suggestion that unsuccessful asylum claimants are now "regularly" committing hate crimes.
ballooning refugee claims to an unsustainable level, ballooning temp resident population to an unsustainable level to the point it has now made programs like H and C useless (the processing times is like over 4 years
Abuse of the immigration system and scamming the good will of the country for one. You have literally 100,000+ examples of it happening just with the people crossing at Roxham road, in violation of the safe country rule.
Rampant abuse and manipulation of our immigration and justice systems, as the article itself cites an example of?
Carney’s Liberals appear to agree there’s a problem (though I don’t think they’ve done enough) after introducing law changes that would deny asylum hearings to people who’ve been in Canada for a year. You have foreign students seeking asylum at the expiry of their visa so they have a few more years in the country. There are a number of these types of examples that undermine confidence in our systems.
Sure, they haven’t broadly committed hate crimes but I think the point here is the concerted effort to play out immigration and justice systems like fiddles to further their own goals. At this point I’m not even sure how one can deny it’s the case.
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Unsuccessful applications should be deported ASAP and not subject to endless appeals
The fact this one turned out to be a terrorist wannabe is just an extra cost the country has to bear.
The blatant LMIA scams for one.
Agreed. People ought to think critically. A claim from 7 years ago? This is practically a tabloid trying to stoke up more hate against immigrants.
How is that stoking up hate vs showing how unsustainable and inefficient the system is?
This man's immigration application from almost a decade ago is the least important thing about his case.
We have one person who committed a crime, what are we doing highlighting his failed application? Obviously it's to make people think immigrants are committing crime en masse.
Because it's shows the man should never have been in the country to be able to commit the crime??
So in line with the comment above. People commit crimes, immigrants are people. I want numbers, if we're having this discussion.
what numbers would you like?
Highlighting a failed application, highlights a systemic issue with our immigration/refugee system. It’s to make people think that the system is broken and many Would agree what you think about the details of their immigration (3x failed refugee applicants, still allowed to stay etc)
The post headline is a bit misleading in that he would have been 12 years old when denied refugee status.
He is 19 years old in 2025, denied status in 2018.
Not excusing the allegations, if he is guilty then he deserves the appropriate sentence determined by the judge.
I just think that bringing in the refugee status makes it seem like a young adult such as pictured was denied yet then goes on to commit the allegations.
Well look at it this way, his family has history of disregarding rules and regulations. Kid grows up to become connected to ISIS and attempts to kidnap multiple women at gun point. There are legitimate refuge claimants and there are people like this guy who has no place in Canada.
Confused, are you arguing that children are accountable for their parents’ decisions?
We’re not talking about his decisions, he is responsible if proven guilty of the allegations.
No, we are talking about his decisions. His crimes are separate from his parent's sleazy ways of obtaining PR after being denied refuge claim twice.
He doesn't sound like a model citizen in any way
Thank you for agreeing with me - the headline about something happening when he was a 12 year old is irrelevant to allegations he faces as an adult and he must face accountability as determined by the judge.
No, it's very relevant: if he was removed from the country when he was denied status as a child, he would not be here as an adult to commit these hate crimes.
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Who cares? It's disgusting that absolute scum like this exploited the compassion of Canadians and then turned around to play terrorist.
I'm absolutely done supporting any immigration leniency at all.
Flabbergasted but still laughing at the audacity!
I don't think it's misleading really? I don't see the difference between what your describing and the headline. His whole family including the adults in the family were denied, so the principle is the exact same no?
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