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I want a car with absolutely no computers. I want buttons you physically push in that stay that way the next time you get in the car. I want a car that doesn't yell at me for every little thing. I want actual dials, not computer screens everywhere. I don't care where it's made, but I'm so over all the tech. Give me a stereo that works and heated seats and I'm happy.
That's a weird "survey" considering that the most popular brands of cars sold in Canada are:
Nissan, Honda, Hyundai, Toyota, Kia, Volkswagen...
Sure, you have Ford, GMC, Dodge as well but a large majority of brands are Asian.
Sure, Canadians might want cars to be assembled here because that's good for the economy, but only a very small proportion of people would want a "Canadian car".
Stated preference vs revealed preference. There's often a big difference between what people say they want and what they actually buy. If I was an auto company I know which one I'd care about more...
Right now, I want a vehicle that touches the US/China the least, but one that I can afford.
There's a GREAT many options out there with the import market, BUT importing a vehicle that isn't American-made is EXTREMELY expensive.
The BIGGEST "Fuck YOU!" to the US would be to eliminate tariffs on ALL foreign-made vehicles that are imported and remove ALL import duties as well. Wanna buy a Citroen? Cool. It's duty free now.
Vehicles that are MORE THAN 50% made in Canada are now GST-Free.
Do that, and watch what happens. Either Ford, GM, et al get with the program or they lose market share in an already tightening market.
This would be a GREAT way to open ourselves up to more European Free Trade, too. "Hey Europe - your cars are now duty-free in Canada".
I think this would also make car pricing much more competitive, too. EVERYONE wins, here.
As much as would love to own a "domestic" car that is 100% manufactured designed and built for the Canadian market in reality its completely unrealistic to have that pipe dream.
We are too small of a market to produce and support an ingenious car company assuming that there isn't an export market and with the protectionist measures the USA has put in place that excludes the number 1 market for exporting.
Cars are or rather were "affordable" because of the free trade agreements that were in place, being able to cherry pick cheaper options for assembly of key smaller parts before the final assembly of the vehicle making it cheaper for the buyer.
If we are just talking about big brand x car company that's already established in Canada then there is really no difference then the status quo. But they already know the market is too small as well to have a dedicated line(s) just for Canadian consumer.
Because we are a smaller market and wanting to diversify away from what was the norm, we should be looking at enticing other manufacturers to set up shops in Canada and offer a product that the traditional big 3 dont have that could be of value for export on the cheap.... the Kei series line of trucksand cars, or the Toyota Hilux Champ as examples....and before you start saying they dont meet Canadian standards dont look to hard but the smart car met the "standards" and thats a micro car in comparison to those examples, and we haven't seen what the safety standards are on the late models because we cant import them yet.
The survey shows that non-American manufacturers with a large manufacturing footprint in Ontario – Toyota and Honda – are seeing a spike in popularity in Canada, while the Detroit Three – General Motors, Stellantis and Ford – are losing consumer trust.
They're not advocating for a Canadian automotive IP owner, they're saying that American motor industries moving production out of Canada are losing market share to other automotive IP owners that retain a Canadian footprint.
If I remember correctly from the last stat I was looking at a couple or so years ago...all in (pension benefits ect as well as wage) the average automotive manufacturer is paying roughly $120 per person an hour at the plant.
For what it's worth, I wouldn't trust a damn thing coming from KPMG. After all they were the conspicuous entity that assisted thousands of wealthy Canadians move their money into offshore accounts to avoid paying taxes in the the Isle of Man scheme.
Oddly enough they were never charged because of, you know, back room deals with the feds. DO NOT TRUST THESE PEOPLE!
News "stories" based on surveys are useless. Let's be honest, most Canadians know little about economics and supply chains, nor does a survey capture the possible trade offs involved.
Canada doesn't have any particular advantage in location or manufacturing automation. There's no reason to think we're going to have any special advantage. Australia no longer has a car manufacturing industry for the same reasons and their economy is doing fine. Let it go.
I bought a new vehicle last year, and it being assembled in Canada was one factor that impacted my decision. One made by Canadian workers was preferred, but I was willing to buy a car assembled literally anywhere except for the US.
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I can't imagine how limited the choice would-be if we were limited to what was built in Canada.
We would be able to choose from what, 5 vehicles? (RAV-4, Civic, Silverado, Edge, and Pacifica).
I want a car with absolutely no computers. I want buttons you physically push in that stay that way the next time you get in the car. I want a car that doesn't yell at me for every little thing. I want actual dials, not computer screens everywhere. I don't care where it's made, but I'm so over all the tech. Give me a stereo that works and heated seats and I'm happy.
That's a weird "survey" considering that the most popular brands of cars sold in Canada are:
Nissan, Honda, Hyundai, Toyota, Kia, Volkswagen... Sure, you have Ford, GMC, Dodge as well but a large majority of brands are Asian.
Sure, Canadians might want cars to be assembled here because that's good for the economy, but only a very small proportion of people would want a "Canadian car".
Stated preference vs revealed preference. There's often a big difference between what people say they want and what they actually buy. If I was an auto company I know which one I'd care about more...
Right now, I want a vehicle that touches the US/China the least, but one that I can afford.
There's a GREAT many options out there with the import market, BUT importing a vehicle that isn't American-made is EXTREMELY expensive.
The BIGGEST "Fuck YOU!" to the US would be to eliminate tariffs on ALL foreign-made vehicles that are imported and remove ALL import duties as well. Wanna buy a Citroen? Cool. It's duty free now.
Vehicles that are MORE THAN 50% made in Canada are now GST-Free.
Do that, and watch what happens. Either Ford, GM, et al get with the program or they lose market share in an already tightening market.
This would be a GREAT way to open ourselves up to more European Free Trade, too. "Hey Europe - your cars are now duty-free in Canada".
I think this would also make car pricing much more competitive, too. EVERYONE wins, here.
As much as would love to own a "domestic" car that is 100% manufactured designed and built for the Canadian market in reality its completely unrealistic to have that pipe dream.
We are too small of a market to produce and support an ingenious car company assuming that there isn't an export market and with the protectionist measures the USA has put in place that excludes the number 1 market for exporting.
Cars are or rather were "affordable" because of the free trade agreements that were in place, being able to cherry pick cheaper options for assembly of key smaller parts before the final assembly of the vehicle making it cheaper for the buyer.
If we are just talking about big brand x car company that's already established in Canada then there is really no difference then the status quo. But they already know the market is too small as well to have a dedicated line(s) just for Canadian consumer.
Because we are a smaller market and wanting to diversify away from what was the norm, we should be looking at enticing other manufacturers to set up shops in Canada and offer a product that the traditional big 3 dont have that could be of value for export on the cheap.... the Kei series line of trucksand cars, or the Toyota Hilux Champ as examples....and before you start saying they dont meet Canadian standards dont look to hard but the smart car met the "standards" and thats a micro car in comparison to those examples, and we haven't seen what the safety standards are on the late models because we cant import them yet.
They're not advocating for a Canadian automotive IP owner, they're saying that American motor industries moving production out of Canada are losing market share to other automotive IP owners that retain a Canadian footprint.
The problem is we have to pay them a gross $70 per hour to assemble them. It’s fruitless.
If I remember correctly from the last stat I was looking at a couple or so years ago...all in (pension benefits ect as well as wage) the average automotive manufacturer is paying roughly $120 per person an hour at the plant.
For what it's worth, I wouldn't trust a damn thing coming from KPMG. After all they were the conspicuous entity that assisted thousands of wealthy Canadians move their money into offshore accounts to avoid paying taxes in the the Isle of Man scheme.
Oddly enough they were never charged because of, you know, back room deals with the feds. DO NOT TRUST THESE PEOPLE!
https://www.taxfairness.ca/en/resources/news-views/cra-strikes-secret-deal-wealthy-kpmg-clients-isle-man-tax-scheme?utm_source=chatgpt.com
News "stories" based on surveys are useless. Let's be honest, most Canadians know little about economics and supply chains, nor does a survey capture the possible trade offs involved.
Canada doesn't have any particular advantage in location or manufacturing automation. There's no reason to think we're going to have any special advantage. Australia no longer has a car manufacturing industry for the same reasons and their economy is doing fine. Let it go.
And open the market to EU vehicles so we can credibly claim that we're not just giving in to American manufacturers.
I bought a new vehicle last year, and it being assembled in Canada was one factor that impacted my decision. One made by Canadian workers was preferred, but I was willing to buy a car assembled literally anywhere except for the US.
Amazing. A bunch of guys in Patagonia vests determined thru power points that canadians want more expensive cars.
I want a vehicle that costs $10,000 that will last more than the drive home from the lot. Give me a BYD hatchback, or a Hilux.
Fuck spending $100k and fuck KPMG.