As well as those who arrive, take advantage of all the financial supports and return home with the windfall. Also no tracking of the children left behind to gain a free education while the Parents return home. The system is being gamed on so many levels. In Committee it was stated there are 32,000 known immigrant criminals with the " boast" that the Liberals plan to deport 12,000. When asked why only 12K the Minister replied, " we are not sure if their residence information is correct"! Liberals have made Canada a joke to the rest of the World based on open border immigration and the ever deepening National Debt.
Possibly. We don’t know how many are leaving voluntarily. We have no way of tracking it. Or even estimating since this is new territory for the Canadian government. Which is why population estimate may be off.
No one really knows how many undocumented people are living in Canada, but the federal government estimates there could be 500,000 people living and working in the shadows. The Migrants Workers Alliance for Change suggests there are at least that many, but notes the number could be higher given the increase in temporary work and study permits issued in Canada.
I'm sure the 500 000 the government is admitting to is being dramatically underestimated.
Mods should change his flair to Village Gaslighting Idiot or Village Gaslighter.
“While there are no accurate figures representing the number or composition of undocumented migrant population in Canada, estimates range between 20,000 and 500,000 persons”
And this was from 2022.
Things are much more unclear now due to recent changes.
Probably the clown citing a 4 year old article, unlike the guy citing a 10 month old that was written after Stats Can and IRCC was criticized for undercounting population by a million.
IRCC was criticized for undercounting population by a million.
You're referring to a report written by CIBC economist Benjamin Tal.
the clown citing a 4 year old article
Actually you're citing a 2.5 year old report based on data from 4 years ago, which was addressing issues with population projections which only impacted estimates provided from 2021 to 2023, which has since been revised.
To quote the source you're citing:
The 2021 census suggests that there were just under 925,000 NPRs in Canada,” Tal said. “While the quarterly estimate suggested the count was 1.17 million.
So what he's pointing out here is that population estimates from the government show more NPRs than the census. IRCC didn't undercount because it doesn't conduct a census. IRCC helps Stats Can create population estimates based on statistics, using census data as a baseline.
They're the same statics you source was using however there was an unknown flaw in the methodology used by Stats Can, which they fixed years ago shortly after the report you're citing came out. They also revised the numbers going back to 2021, so all the current data on the government's website is now much closer to your sources' own estimates.
Also your source drew false conclusions on his own report, claiming that the undercount would negatively impact construction planning by causing them to underestimate demand. This turned out to be completely wrong, as the construction industry actually overestimated demand, leading to oversupply in critical markets.
“In broad terms this shows that at least 10 per cent of student visa holders are unaccounted for,” said Mr. Lotin. “For the first time, we have definitive data. There are still questions about where all student visa holders are.”
Reports and government officials confirmed significant gaps in tracking international students in 2025. While the government tracks entries, it lacks a definitive system to confirm if students are attending classes or if they have left the country as required. For more information, visit junonews.com.
“While there are no accurate figures representing the number or composition of undocumented migrant population in Canada, estimates range between 20,000 and 500,000 persons”
These estimates are from 2022. Before we rug pulled the TFWs.
Lol penalties 😂😂😂😂 there are guys in my CONSTRUCTION union without papers getting paid cash (still trying to figure out how that works). Go to st Clair west/eg west to any Portuguese/Brazilian bakery half of them are illegals lol. Strict penalties mean nothing if they’re never enforced
Portuguese are very well connected in the union. I’d rather stay out of it. It isn’t right though as there are a ton of young Canadian men that would die at the chance for $45 an hour starting wage
“Yeah bro just risk your livelihood and the ability to take care of your family so you can report some illegals!” Bro come on lmao.
Gov just needs to send some ppl on a job site and ask for papers half the site would be gone. Why is it on me to report them and risk my means of living?
Except in Canada, the federal government has failed to enforce collecting those penalties. We aren’t any different than the US. What severe penalties are you talking about? when 40% of the fines have never been collected.
My own sources shows an increased in fines but they have yet to even enforce and collect those fines? That’s fines if the fines have increased, but they aren’t even collecting those fines. That’s great if they face criminal charges, but the fact that they have yet to enforce and collect those fines tells me they can’t even enforce the law.
My own sources shows an increased in fines but they have yet to even enforce and collect those fines?
Your source also shows they are collecting them. More than half have been collected. The fines are enforced by banning the company from the TFWP if they don't pay up.
This is the same method used to enforce traffic fines and other financial penalties. Speeding ticket? Can't renew your licence unless you pay up.
Also these fines you're linking to are only for TFWP violations, not hiring illegals which is a far more serious matter with much bigger fines and potential criminal charges.
Since 2017, federal inspectors have penalized nearly a thousand companies that rely on foreign workers, imposing more than $11.8-million in fines for workplace infractions.
However, some $4.5-million of that sum remains outstanding, according to a public registry of non-compliant employers, prompting criticism that Ottawa’s enforcement regime is not deterring abuse.
Since 2017, they have yet to collect $4.5 million of outstanding fines. Here you are brushing this off like its nothing more than a traffic fine. These fines are suppose to punish employers who have broken the law. If they can't even enforce these fines, penalties do you think said employers would care about facing punishment? Again since 2017.
You realize since 2017, we've had International Amnesty, and the UN call the TFW as a breeding ground for contemporary forms of slavery right?
These guidelines are particularly troubling because LMIA fraud is primarily driven by consultants and employers who have learned to manipulate the system and continue to hire migrant workers to make profit, Sierah and the ESDC employee said.
“It takes about five to 10 seconds,” to check whether the applicant is in good standing or “whether they even exist,” Sierah said.
Employers can create fake job openings or partner with consultants to get LMIAs approved, which are then sold to foreign workers for tens of thousands of dollars, often with the worker unaware that selling LMIAs is an illegal practice. Many migrant workers come to Canada only to find their job does not exist, Sierah said.
When government staff were told to skip the vetting process to ensure there isn't any fraud or abuses within the system, and they also failed to collect fines since 2017, there is an issue. One you can't just brush off like its a traffic fine. This article counters everything you just said about no abuses occurring within TFW program, when the government allowed it too occur so they can process said application "faster". In fact, I have more articles from various sources that supports my statement, that there is an issue with TFW, one where it is being manipulated and exploited by employers.
Right but that has nothing to do with my comment about people living in Canada illegally.
There are charges, but only when it's too late and you have affected many people by then.
That's simply not true. TFW employers will basically get shut down and investigated when they're reported to be breaking the rules.
I know this because it happened to one of the companies I work with. A competitor filed a false report and all the foreign workers got suspended until the investigation was carried out.
Do you think we can perform enough 4 year investigations with the man-power we have in Canadian law enforcement to significantly impact these operations? This one investigation nearly spanned half a decade and God knows how expensive it was; all to charge a tiny little operation in PEI. Do you think that's sustainable or are you a rational man?
Do you think we can perform enough 4 year investigations with the man-power we have in Canadian law enforcement to significantly impact these operations?
If people actually bother to report crimes and we fund law enforcement then yes.
all to charge a tiny little operation in PEI.
2 operations as per the article, and there's plenty more being done if you're willing to look.
Am I the only who hate the term "population growth" here? I mean I know it's _technically_ correct but to me, the population growth should only be applicable when the native population has an increase in birth rates, not when the nation is flooded with third world immigrants..
Ultimately, I agree with you. However, as you already admit technically... the term is correct. Sadly.
It would be nice if they could at least separate it into its own categories for any and all data involving population growth at all.
I mean, for this graph, it just requires some dotted lines of different colours to make it clear without having to have multiple graphs. It's just pure laziness on the data collectors part.
Not by law no but it makes them pieces of shit that are willfully and actively harming their own citizens. Anyone in government that supported these policies should never be able to go anywhere in the nation without being harassed by the citizens. They do not deserve to live in peace.
It may not be currently, but depending on the severity of the policy, perhaps it should be at least considered to be on a level of treason similar to that of one who goes out of their way to kneecap their own country in some manner.
Because ultimately, it shouldn't matter who they are, what they do, how they do it, if the result is what the result is and it clearly should have been understood to be that result no matter the intent; that's treason.
Occams razor with Hanlons razor, tempered by Grey's Law.
Simply put, if their words, actions or otherwise cannot be ascertained truly via them alone; look at the results to see the truth.
This is a problematic razor of sorts of its own, yet un-named, because it can lead down consipratorial ideas very easily if not used carefully. Not everyone has bad intentions or expects bad results from their actions; but some do. Some, do.
P.S. I'm upvoting you despite others having downvoted, because you are technically not wrong even if anyone else doesn't like it. But at the same time, you also shouldn't be correct.
Treason without intent? Well, that goes pretty hard.
Occams razor with Hanlons razor, tempered by Grey's Law.
Yeah to me, that points to incompetence as the most likely.
I understand that people are upset about what happened, I'm upset, but as is the trend nowadays everyone just goes for the top-shelf word. Whether that's racist or white supremacist on the left, or "treason" in these parts. I think it's just a dopamine gratification circle jerk more often than not, to just get maximally angry and use the maximal words that match it.
I think the NPR surge of 2021-2023 will go down as one of the biggest policy blunders in Canadian history, permanently effecting trust in the immigration system, causing an affordability crisis, damaging Canada's reputation. It was so clearly unsustainable, and it was only a magic combination of a whole bunch of factors that saved the Liberals' asses. Given that I think incompetence makes the most sense.
As for treason without intent, just for incompetence? Bold claim, sure, let's talk about it. I dunno, I think that would be prone to political manipulation, and people will want to jail politicians for things that are often out of their control, like global recessions. It might often have perverse effects especially if politicized, like competent people staying clear of politics out of fear of being jailed. Or also toxically risk adverse decision making (which is already a problem in Canada), sometimes bold action is necessary, but bold action increases culpability, so if it doesn't go well you'll be on the hook for it.
Sooooo.... you actually don't quite understand correctly how to use the razors if you think I am saying treason without intent, or worse, via incompetence.
Hanlons razor is about malice and incompetence, etc. Occams is about discerning the truth via the smallest set of known variables. Greys law, dictates that: "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice"
So, you fell for the trap that is often used by the malicious to mislead the incompetent. (No offense, you aren't alone, that's why this is such a problem. It's been trained into people from a young age to just accept incompetence instead of seeking the fact of the matter to be what it is; malice.)
So. Bad policy, if heinous enough; is potentially treason.
Also, on a side note of this long reply. I applaud your wishful thinking on the matter that it is just incompetence, because that would be ideal. It sucks knowing that they aren't just incompetent. It's a revelation that makes it so that you cannot trust any of them entirely, which makes it hard to like any of the politicians in power, really. So, I don't harshly blame you for making this mistake. If anything, it's to be expected. More on that further down.
But you are right that yes, the NPR surge did NOTHING to help this matter with a great many people. However, that was not my pivotal moment as it were. I've been.... ahead of the rest of you on these matters for a very long time now. Sorry if that seems bit egotistical, but... it is what it is.
Frankly, I'm tempted to name this 'new razor' after myself; because most folk don't understand it until they get a shot of the factual matters at hand. Which is why the NPR mention is a good one on your part. It WAS a pivotal moment for a lot of people who were completely blindfolded by the malcious up til recently.
But there is a problem in that. They don't know how to keep their razor sheathed on the matter where perhaps incompetence is still the main factor. And so they see ghouls and goblins where really it's just some goat. Like you said:
"I understand that people are upset about what happened, I'm upset, but as is the trend nowadays everyone just goes for the top-shelf word. Whether that's racist or white supremacist on the left, or "treason" in these parts. I think it's just a dopamine gratification circle jerk more often than not, to just get maximally angry and use the maximal words that match it."
You're right. They do do that. I do not. I save the most heinous words for the most heinous truly proven to be the most heinous. To do otherwise is to degrade the meaning of those words into nothingness.
To be clear with my intentions in this, even if it makes me seem egotistical.
I aim for correct only. People who are wrong, are harmful to humanity and the earth as a whole. Being wrong, is wrong itself. I aim to only be correct. Though, I do make mistakes too. Sadly. But in that, I use those moments to learn from them, to be correct instead in the future.
A lot of people need to start taking this approach, but alas, they are not intelligent enough to do so. Mostly because they were misled in life from a young age, and so they don't know better. Worse yet, it's so ingrained into their very personality, that it's tantamount to a sort of murder of their character to go against that training. It's just... inconceivable to them that some people actually might be evil.
P.S. Let's not go down the whole "does good vs evil even exist" route. Society ain't ready for that yet.
Okay chill man, 50% of that was a humble brag (or outright bragging). You didn't need to include that to make your argument, I could have done without it. I'll just set that aside though. It is good you want to be correct though, that's a trait that many are lacking.
Let's talk about your razors/laws (which I am totally aware of by the way).
Occams Razor: "The simplest explanation is usually the correct one."
Hanlons Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"
Grey's Law: "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice."
Let's combine all three then: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity, because the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice, so without further evidence, Occam's razor says we should default to the simplest explanation, incompetence, until presented with that evidence.
That's the most reasonable way to combine all three. Malice requires intent, requires a plan, and so is always the more complex explanation, so considering malice is also indistinguishable (without further supporting evidence) from incompetence, we must accept incompetence as the default option IF you are going by those razors.
You misquoted occams razor. Though to be fair to you, so does basically everyone else.
"other things being equal, simpler explanations are generally better than more complex ones"
This matters, because your form of it disregards the 'other things being equal' aspect, which is why Hanlons and Grey's law matter.
There is a longer quote for occams that includes a phrase similar to "With all evidence accounted for", which is also used to some degree in Hanlons due to the similar nature. I cannot find it right now though to quote verbatim, so I will leave it at that.
Anyways. Yes, I probably could have done without the rest, but, it seemed appropriate to me at the time considering the context, even if you disagree.
But since you are using the razor wrong by default, your end result is wrong by default.
I'm sorry, but you were misled as a child on this matter all through school, and into adulthood, and so now you are having a hard time coming to terms with it. That's fine. I expected that.
Side comment: I used AI to hopefully maybe make this easier to understand my mode of thinking on it. Sometimes I get too wordy.
Here it is:
A synthesized razor combining Occam's, Hanlon's, and Grey's laws might be formulated as:
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity, but recognize that occasional malice and the inevitable complexity of systems mean all explanations may still be insufficient."
This razor suggests that while stupidity (Hanlon's) and simplicity (Occam's) are good starting points for explanations, one must also account for genuine malice and the inherent imperfections and complexity of all systems (Grey's Law: "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice" or "Any sufficiently advanced bureaucracy is indistinguishable from malice").
The combined razor acknowledges that, yes, some people are indeed malicious, even if incompetence or system failure is a more frequent cause for negative outcomes.
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Edit: For an indepth look at the AI's reasoning on the matter in the short form answer it gave, look at the reply to myself here, to see its full answer.
The synthesis of these three principles creates the
"Machiavellian Razor" (or the Predatory Razor):
"When a simple explanation of incompetence is insufficient to account for the complexity and magnitude of the harm, assume the simplest form of malice that mimics natural law."
How it combines the three:
Occam’s Razor (Simplicity): We seek the simplest explanation without multiplying entities.
Hanlon’s Razor (Incompetence vs. Malice): We start by assuming stupidity, but this new razor recognizes when that assumption no longer fits the data.
Grey’s Law (Advanced Malice): Based on the adage "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice," this law suggests that at a certain level of scale or precision, "accidents" become statistically impossible.
The Core Logic:
The Machiavellian Razor posits that while you should not default to conspiracy, you must acknowledge that malice is often the simplest explanation for highly efficient destruction.
If an outcome is perfectly calibrated to benefit a specific party while systematically harming others, "incompetence" becomes a more complex explanation than "intent." In these cases, assuming the actor is "stupid" requires you to ignore the mathematical precision of the "mistake."
Application:
If a system fails randomly, it is Hanlon’s (Stupidity). If a system fails in a way that perfectly serves a hidden agenda while appearing to be a "glitch," it is the Machiavellian Razor (Strategic Malice).
Okay can you chill? "Misled as a child", please really calm down. You are not Morpheus, this is not the Matrix, and you are not a dispenser of red pills.
My definition of Occam's Razar is not wrong, it's a reasonable simplification of it, "other things being equal" is referring to the explanatory power and evidence of the two competing explanations. The basic premise - prefer simplicity unless you have a good reason not to (which is how you yourself resummarized it by the way) is fine.
Considering the NPRs are being kicked out now - Stats Can population decline in Q3 is basically entirely due to NPRs - I really think you're overstating your case that it was "highly efficient destruction" when it looks more like a giant mess. No hidden agendas were served, in fact it caused a giant backlash that will make people more anti-immigration for a generation. It was obviously completely unsustainable by anyone who was paying attention.
The simplest explanation was that the international student programs were uncapped, and have been uncapped for a long time. The government, as governments often do, defaulted to "no action" as the exponential growth ramped up. Then it became a debacle they couldn't ignore. Only then, amidst the entirely predictable public outcry, they course corrected.
A more malicious interpretation would require a SHRED of evidence, or at least a shred of efficacy of some plot that was served. Otherwise the mundane, obvious explanation of "a government prone to inaction and incompetence" satisfies all the conditions best.
Also I think you should lay off the AI a bit, notice how I don't have delusions of grandeur or say you were "misled as a child" when talking to you? You sound manic, messianic even. It's called AI psychosis, look it up.
Sorry, quick google sheets by me of StatCan 17-10-0009-01 and ABS 3101.0.
The main point, as anyone who follows international demography should know, is that Canada's most comparable country in terms of both policy and culture should be included in such comparisons.
Even if what you posted is true, what kind of an argument is why did the other country in full control of it's non-native population growth also put itself into an insane population trap due to be lead by corrupt and glue sniffing ret@rds not make the list?
The main point as anyone who made it through grade school knows that just cause your short bus riding cousin jumps off of a bridge doesn't mean you should too.
Lol, I just checked and ABS 3101.0 stops in 2020. Funny that, except for the familiarity I have with that user and another certain crashed head below both of whom have been rabid defenders and deflectors of the Liberal Party of Corruption's treasonous population growth for something like 3+ years now.
Justin’s mass immigration will take a while to unwind. Even though Canada is now shrinking it will take a decade to restore balance. A complete recovery from all of Trudeau’s economic cheats will probably take a long time but it shouldn’t be as bad as what we had to do to restore balance after Pierre Trudeau’s dumpster fire. Pierre’s mess was so bad we had Conservatives radically increasing taxes even on the most wealthy and the Liberals massively slashing federal spending to restore our sustainable path.
Idk Pierre didn’t have nearly as many third world gangs and rapists roaming around so whatever sort of “recovery” without remigration will be ephemeral.
True, back then there were only a couple countries sending immigrants that were violent and daring enough to form criminal organizations and survive against the Italian mafia and bikers. One of those nationalities still controls all of Toronto’s jails.
Not very negative though, it's just going to plateau. We need deportations and an immigration moratorium for 2 years to actually get back to how we were.
The people who need to leave aren't doing so voluntarily, they're working under the table for family members. And no, deportations have not caused "massive economic trouble" for the US. That's a total lie. Their economy is in trouble but that's because of Trump's scizophrenic tariffs.
There’s no avoiding economic trouble from where we are at and the longer they delay, the worse it will be. The economic trouble will come in the form of businesses that were taking advantage of cheap, abundant labour will no longer be able to make record profits. The wealth distribution is so out of whack right now, the result will be the average person will be better off and the wealthy asset owners will be worse off. This is why libs will never do what they’re doing in the US.
the result will be the average person will be better off and the wealthy asset owners will be worse off.
No actually the opposite happens in a crash.
cheap, abundant labour will no longer be able to make record profits.
Right, so the businesses will simply respond by shutting down, and the rich people will simply buy into the resulting economic dip when everyone else defaults, thus transferring massive amounts of wealth away from the working class, making them poorer and more desperate.
Businesses employ people. People rely on employment to pay for things like mortgages.
For example, shutting down Tim Hortons wouldn't just impact low wage fast food workers. It also impacts all the workers and industries who build, supply and maintain those stores, not to mention the impact on franchisees.
land values are also impacted.
Fast food franchises and other kinds of retailers were developed to drive land values up and sell leases.
When those business shut down land values will go down with them while investors use their existing wealth and land holdings as leverage to acquire more land.
Thats really bad news for new and aspiring homeowners as rates go up and they end up underwater with their financing. This creates a great opportunity for rich people to swoop in and buy more land.
This will also screw farmers, who will then sell their land to the same rich people who are behind all of this.
It's already started. That's why companies like Walmart and billionaires like Bill Gates are buying up farm land now.
Despite what many believe, cell phone data indicates we don't have a large illegal population. The only thing we can do is what we're doing right now, slashing NPRs.
Not only is that just an unsourced tweet with no data, but it's not even making the point you're trying to. He's saying that the illegal immigrant population is likely not currently increasing. That is not at all the same thing as saying there is a small illegal population.
He's saying this literally, this is a direct quote.
Foreign Students & Temp Foreign Workers are going home: without hope of PR status why stay?
The guy is a well known Conservative and anti-immigration personality. Also it's still a good proxy for population because cell phones do not last forever.
Fight about the data if you want, you can say you disagree with the conclusion too, but that was very much, literally the point he was trying to make and it's you that read below a 6th grade level if you can't grasp that.
This is new cell phone registrations. This only tracks people illegally arriving for the first time. It can’t track people who illegally overstay visas.
First of all like all our modern prime ministers he did some good things. He wasn’t 100% terrible. His total disregard for sustainable economics put Canada‘s books in absolutely terrible shape, he spent money like a drunken sailor which not only put us on a path to fiscal ruin but severely worsened inflation at a time when inflation was already bad world wide. He also caused severe division among the provinces making both Quebec and Alberta feel betrayed. Alberta probably would have had a massive sovereign wealth fund if they weren’t worried about clowns stealing it and the separatists in Quebec would never have gained momentum. Mulroney had to massively increase taxes and at least he went after the wealthy 1% people like Trudeau with his capital gains inclusion hike. Then Chretien had to slash federal spending by 13% which didn’t make him very popular. The funny thing is after decades of sensible leadership, Trudeau repeated his dad’s behaviour and pissed it all away ruining our finances and causing division like we have never seen.
It's not a race and we didn't have to take part in it, but Canadians allowed it to happen. We won the population growth race at the sacrifice of every other metric.
Australia New Zealand and Ireland! Small English speaking countries with similar cultures and policies to us? Why would we compare to the countries we are most similar to?
Also take in mind we don’t know how many temporaries will/are going home when their visas run out.
We have no way of tracking illegal stayers. This will be a problem for any deliberately managed housing policy.
We also literally let in millions of "students" who didn't have criminal background checks
As well as those who arrive, take advantage of all the financial supports and return home with the windfall. Also no tracking of the children left behind to gain a free education while the Parents return home. The system is being gamed on so many levels. In Committee it was stated there are 32,000 known immigrant criminals with the " boast" that the Liberals plan to deport 12,000. When asked why only 12K the Minister replied, " we are not sure if their residence information is correct"! Liberals have made Canada a joke to the rest of the World based on open border immigration and the ever deepening National Debt.
Correct. Canadians allow all this.
The drop in population is almost entirely driven by temporary residents who are leaving voluntarily.
We're not the US. Businesses in Canada face severe penalties for hiring illegal workers, which can include criminal charges.
Possibly. We don’t know how many are leaving voluntarily. We have no way of tracking it. Or even estimating since this is new territory for the Canadian government. Which is why population estimate may be off.
He's lying/gaslighting and I have linked this citation at least 3 times to him and probably closer to 6 times to be honest.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-undocumented-migrants-1.7425476
I'm sure the 500 000 the government is admitting to is being dramatically underestimated.
Mods should change his flair to Village Gaslighting Idiot or Village Gaslighter.
That was the 2022 data before they run pulled an unprecedented amount of temporary workers. It is likely much, much higher now.
Also a huge immigration crackdown in 2024
There was a huge rally protesting that. Poilievre was there too.
Exactly and we don’t know how many of those are actually leaving. It isn’t like we chartered a jet and put them all in it.
They track people coming and going so they can work out a fairly accurate approximation of how many people are leaving using statistics.
The government admits theh have no such fairly accurate approximation.
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/transparency/committees/cimm-mar-03-2022/undocumented-populations.html
“While there are no accurate figures representing the number or composition of undocumented migrant population in Canada, estimates range between 20,000 and 500,000 persons”
And this was from 2022. Things are much more unclear now due to recent changes.
I was talking about temporary residents not undocumented residents.
Temporary residents who leave aren't undocumented.
Huge crack down? Haha. Fuck you're a comedian.
The government didn't admit that.
You're refrencing a report that included estimates from sources outside of government, which range between 20,000 and 500,000 persons.
Https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/transparency/committees/cimm-mar-03-2022/undocumented-populations.html
So who's lying here?
Probably the clown citing a 4 year old article, unlike the guy citing a 10 month old that was written after Stats Can and IRCC was criticized for undercounting population by a million.
You're referring to a report written by CIBC economist Benjamin Tal.
Actually you're citing a 2.5 year old report based on data from 4 years ago, which was addressing issues with population projections which only impacted estimates provided from 2021 to 2023, which has since been revised.
To quote the source you're citing:
So what he's pointing out here is that population estimates from the government show more NPRs than the census. IRCC didn't undercount because it doesn't conduct a census. IRCC helps Stats Can create population estimates based on statistics, using census data as a baseline.
They're the same statics you source was using however there was an unknown flaw in the methodology used by Stats Can, which they fixed years ago shortly after the report you're citing came out. They also revised the numbers going back to 2021, so all the current data on the government's website is now much closer to your sources' own estimates.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/statcan-to-revise-how-it-counts-non-permanent-residents-after-cibc-report-says-theyre-being-undercounted/
Also your source drew false conclusions on his own report, claiming that the undercount would negatively impact construction planning by causing them to underestimate demand. This turned out to be completely wrong, as the construction industry actually overestimated demand, leading to oversupply in critical markets.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/unsold-condos-metro-vancouver-bc-2025-1.7647776
Prove that we have no way of tracking it.
Even the government admitted
Proof?
“In broad terms this shows that at least 10 per cent of student visa holders are unaccounted for,” said Mr. Lotin. “For the first time, we have definitive data. There are still questions about where all student visa holders are.”
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-international-students-school-attendance-data/#:\~:text=Close%20to%2050%2C000%20international%20students,provinces%20in%20identifying%20questionable%20schools.
Reports and government officials confirmed significant gaps in tracking international students in 2025. While the government tracks entries, it lacks a definitive system to confirm if students are attending classes or if they have left the country as required. For more information, visit junonews.com.
https://www.junonews.com/p/cbsa-refuses-to-release-data-on-how
Just google, use gemini, it will find to you
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/transparency/committees/cimm-mar-03-2022/undocumented-populations.html
The government itself admits this.
“While there are no accurate figures representing the number or composition of undocumented migrant population in Canada, estimates range between 20,000 and 500,000 persons”
These estimates are from 2022. Before we rug pulled the TFWs.
Lol penalties 😂😂😂😂 there are guys in my CONSTRUCTION union without papers getting paid cash (still trying to figure out how that works). Go to st Clair west/eg west to any Portuguese/Brazilian bakery half of them are illegals lol. Strict penalties mean nothing if they’re never enforced
So report them. The government can't do anything if people aren't reporting it.
Or are you afraid of pissing off your union?
Portuguese are very well connected in the union. I’d rather stay out of it. It isn’t right though as there are a ton of young Canadian men that would die at the chance for $45 an hour starting wage
You'd rather stay out of it when you can report all of that anonymously?
Right so you're part of the problem.
Your union has illegal workers and you benefit from being in that union so you're overlooking it.
We don't live in a surveillance state. The government can't act on crimes when nobody is willing to report them.
“Yeah bro just risk your livelihood and the ability to take care of your family so you can report some illegals!” Bro come on lmao.
Gov just needs to send some ppl on a job site and ask for papers half the site would be gone. Why is it on me to report them and risk my means of living?
Reporting that anonymously isn't risking anyone's jobs. Letting that go on is stealing work from Canadians.
Why are you being upvoted for acting like a scumbag?
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-canada-temporary-foreign-worker-violation-fines/
Except in Canada, the federal government has failed to enforce collecting those penalties. We aren’t any different than the US. What severe penalties are you talking about? when 40% of the fines have never been collected.
Your own source shows a massive increase in fines.
Companies that do not pay government-issued fines still owe the fines and are banned from participating in the Temporary Foreign Worker Program.
They can also face more penalties and criminal charges for hiring workers illegally.
My own sources shows an increased in fines but they have yet to even enforce and collect those fines? That’s fines if the fines have increased, but they aren’t even collecting those fines. That’s great if they face criminal charges, but the fact that they have yet to enforce and collect those fines tells me they can’t even enforce the law.
Your source also shows they are collecting them. More than half have been collected. The fines are enforced by banning the company from the TFWP if they don't pay up.
This is the same method used to enforce traffic fines and other financial penalties. Speeding ticket? Can't renew your licence unless you pay up.
Also these fines you're linking to are only for TFWP violations, not hiring illegals which is a far more serious matter with much bigger fines and potential criminal charges.
Since 2017, they have yet to collect $4.5 million of outstanding fines. Here you are brushing this off like its nothing more than a traffic fine. These fines are suppose to punish employers who have broken the law. If they can't even enforce these fines, penalties do you think said employers would care about facing punishment? Again since 2017.
You realize since 2017, we've had International Amnesty, and the UN call the TFW as a breeding ground for contemporary forms of slavery right?
Now lets look what happened under the former Trudeau government, as per TheStar Government staff told to skip steps vetting TFW applications, government staff were told to skip vetting process that would have prevented said abuse.
When government staff were told to skip the vetting process to ensure there isn't any fraud or abuses within the system, and they also failed to collect fines since 2017, there is an issue. One you can't just brush off like its a traffic fine. This article counters everything you just said about no abuses occurring within TFW program, when the government allowed it too occur so they can process said application "faster". In fact, I have more articles from various sources that supports my statement, that there is an issue with TFW, one where it is being manipulated and exploited by employers.
If you are looking for good faith you ain't going to get it from him or another 'numberone' below.
I know, I ain’t going to let him argue me out. I have thoroughly researched this subject.
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Right but that has nothing to do with my comment about people living in Canada illegally.
That's simply not true. TFW employers will basically get shut down and investigated when they're reported to be breaking the rules.
I know this because it happened to one of the companies I work with. A competitor filed a false report and all the foreign workers got suspended until the investigation was carried out.
Good thing they don't have insular communities and an affinity for cash businesses
...who end up getting caught and criminally charged.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/pei-charges-cbsa-warrants-apple-orchards-honey-workers-1.7588688
Do you think we can perform enough 4 year investigations with the man-power we have in Canadian law enforcement to significantly impact these operations? This one investigation nearly spanned half a decade and God knows how expensive it was; all to charge a tiny little operation in PEI. Do you think that's sustainable or are you a rational man?
If people actually bother to report crimes and we fund law enforcement then yes.
2 operations as per the article, and there's plenty more being done if you're willing to look.
This is the wrong assumption. Due process is prohibitively expensive at the scale necessary.
Notably a very similar number to one, maybe the closest one there's ever been
How many times have I linked CBC citations showing the government admitting at least 500 000 illegals Head Crash?
I can remember 3 times off the top of my head.
At most, not at least.
How many times are you going to post the same source before you actually read what it says?
Also CBC got that number from this IRCC report:
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/transparency/committees/cimm-mar-03-2022/undocumented-populations.html
...and even if it was half a million that would be a lot less per capita than the US.
So thanks for proving my point.
That's almost a 4 year old article clown. Thanks for proving my point about you!
Treason
Am I the only who hate the term "population growth" here? I mean I know it's _technically_ correct but to me, the population growth should only be applicable when the native population has an increase in birth rates, not when the nation is flooded with third world immigrants..
Ultimately, I agree with you. However, as you already admit technically... the term is correct. Sadly.
It would be nice if they could at least separate it into its own categories for any and all data involving population growth at all.
I mean, for this graph, it just requires some dotted lines of different colours to make it clear without having to have multiple graphs. It's just pure laziness on the data collectors part.
Bad policy isn't treason.
Not by law no but it makes them pieces of shit that are willfully and actively harming their own citizens. Anyone in government that supported these policies should never be able to go anywhere in the nation without being harassed by the citizens. They do not deserve to live in peace.
It may not be currently, but depending on the severity of the policy, perhaps it should be at least considered to be on a level of treason similar to that of one who goes out of their way to kneecap their own country in some manner.
Because ultimately, it shouldn't matter who they are, what they do, how they do it, if the result is what the result is and it clearly should have been understood to be that result no matter the intent; that's treason.
Occams razor with Hanlons razor, tempered by Grey's Law.
Simply put, if their words, actions or otherwise cannot be ascertained truly via them alone; look at the results to see the truth.
This is a problematic razor of sorts of its own, yet un-named, because it can lead down consipratorial ideas very easily if not used carefully. Not everyone has bad intentions or expects bad results from their actions; but some do. Some, do.
P.S. I'm upvoting you despite others having downvoted, because you are technically not wrong even if anyone else doesn't like it. But at the same time, you also shouldn't be correct.
Treason without intent? Well, that goes pretty hard.
Yeah to me, that points to incompetence as the most likely.
I understand that people are upset about what happened, I'm upset, but as is the trend nowadays everyone just goes for the top-shelf word. Whether that's racist or white supremacist on the left, or "treason" in these parts. I think it's just a dopamine gratification circle jerk more often than not, to just get maximally angry and use the maximal words that match it.
I think the NPR surge of 2021-2023 will go down as one of the biggest policy blunders in Canadian history, permanently effecting trust in the immigration system, causing an affordability crisis, damaging Canada's reputation. It was so clearly unsustainable, and it was only a magic combination of a whole bunch of factors that saved the Liberals' asses. Given that I think incompetence makes the most sense.
As for treason without intent, just for incompetence? Bold claim, sure, let's talk about it. I dunno, I think that would be prone to political manipulation, and people will want to jail politicians for things that are often out of their control, like global recessions. It might often have perverse effects especially if politicized, like competent people staying clear of politics out of fear of being jailed. Or also toxically risk adverse decision making (which is already a problem in Canada), sometimes bold action is necessary, but bold action increases culpability, so if it doesn't go well you'll be on the hook for it.
Sooooo.... you actually don't quite understand correctly how to use the razors if you think I am saying treason without intent, or worse, via incompetence.
Hanlons razor is about malice and incompetence, etc. Occams is about discerning the truth via the smallest set of known variables. Greys law, dictates that: "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice"
So, you fell for the trap that is often used by the malicious to mislead the incompetent. (No offense, you aren't alone, that's why this is such a problem. It's been trained into people from a young age to just accept incompetence instead of seeking the fact of the matter to be what it is; malice.)
So. Bad policy, if heinous enough; is potentially treason.
Also, on a side note of this long reply. I applaud your wishful thinking on the matter that it is just incompetence, because that would be ideal. It sucks knowing that they aren't just incompetent. It's a revelation that makes it so that you cannot trust any of them entirely, which makes it hard to like any of the politicians in power, really. So, I don't harshly blame you for making this mistake. If anything, it's to be expected. More on that further down.
But you are right that yes, the NPR surge did NOTHING to help this matter with a great many people. However, that was not my pivotal moment as it were. I've been.... ahead of the rest of you on these matters for a very long time now. Sorry if that seems bit egotistical, but... it is what it is.
Frankly, I'm tempted to name this 'new razor' after myself; because most folk don't understand it until they get a shot of the factual matters at hand. Which is why the NPR mention is a good one on your part. It WAS a pivotal moment for a lot of people who were completely blindfolded by the malcious up til recently.
But there is a problem in that. They don't know how to keep their razor sheathed on the matter where perhaps incompetence is still the main factor. And so they see ghouls and goblins where really it's just some goat. Like you said:
"I understand that people are upset about what happened, I'm upset, but as is the trend nowadays everyone just goes for the top-shelf word. Whether that's racist or white supremacist on the left, or "treason" in these parts. I think it's just a dopamine gratification circle jerk more often than not, to just get maximally angry and use the maximal words that match it."
You're right. They do do that. I do not. I save the most heinous words for the most heinous truly proven to be the most heinous. To do otherwise is to degrade the meaning of those words into nothingness.
To be clear with my intentions in this, even if it makes me seem egotistical.
I aim for correct only. People who are wrong, are harmful to humanity and the earth as a whole. Being wrong, is wrong itself. I aim to only be correct. Though, I do make mistakes too. Sadly. But in that, I use those moments to learn from them, to be correct instead in the future.
A lot of people need to start taking this approach, but alas, they are not intelligent enough to do so. Mostly because they were misled in life from a young age, and so they don't know better. Worse yet, it's so ingrained into their very personality, that it's tantamount to a sort of murder of their character to go against that training. It's just... inconceivable to them that some people actually might be evil.
P.S. Let's not go down the whole "does good vs evil even exist" route. Society ain't ready for that yet.
Okay chill man, 50% of that was a humble brag (or outright bragging). You didn't need to include that to make your argument, I could have done without it. I'll just set that aside though. It is good you want to be correct though, that's a trait that many are lacking.
Let's talk about your razors/laws (which I am totally aware of by the way).
Occams Razor: "The simplest explanation is usually the correct one."
Hanlons Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"
Grey's Law: "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice."
Let's combine all three then: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity, because the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice, so without further evidence, Occam's razor says we should default to the simplest explanation, incompetence, until presented with that evidence.
That's the most reasonable way to combine all three. Malice requires intent, requires a plan, and so is always the more complex explanation, so considering malice is also indistinguishable (without further supporting evidence) from incompetence, we must accept incompetence as the default option IF you are going by those razors.
You misquoted occams razor. Though to be fair to you, so does basically everyone else.
"other things being equal, simpler explanations are generally better than more complex ones"
This matters, because your form of it disregards the 'other things being equal' aspect, which is why Hanlons and Grey's law matter.
There is a longer quote for occams that includes a phrase similar to "With all evidence accounted for", which is also used to some degree in Hanlons due to the similar nature. I cannot find it right now though to quote verbatim, so I will leave it at that.
Anyways. Yes, I probably could have done without the rest, but, it seemed appropriate to me at the time considering the context, even if you disagree.
But since you are using the razor wrong by default, your end result is wrong by default.
I'm sorry, but you were misled as a child on this matter all through school, and into adulthood, and so now you are having a hard time coming to terms with it. That's fine. I expected that.
Side comment: I used AI to hopefully maybe make this easier to understand my mode of thinking on it. Sometimes I get too wordy.
Here it is:
A synthesized razor combining Occam's, Hanlon's, and Grey's laws might be formulated as:
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity, but recognize that occasional malice and the inevitable complexity of systems mean all explanations may still be insufficient."
This razor suggests that while stupidity (Hanlon's) and simplicity (Occam's) are good starting points for explanations, one must also account for genuine malice and the inherent imperfections and complexity of all systems (Grey's Law: "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice" or "Any sufficiently advanced bureaucracy is indistinguishable from malice").
The combined razor acknowledges that, yes, some people are indeed malicious, even if incompetence or system failure is a more frequent cause for negative outcomes.
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Edit: For an indepth look at the AI's reasoning on the matter in the short form answer it gave, look at the reply to myself here, to see its full answer.
Here is the full answer:
The synthesis of these three principles creates the
"Machiavellian Razor" (or the Predatory Razor):
How it combines the three:
The Core Logic:
The Machiavellian Razor posits that while you should not default to conspiracy, you must acknowledge that malice is often the simplest explanation for highly efficient destruction.
If an outcome is perfectly calibrated to benefit a specific party while systematically harming others, "incompetence" becomes a more complex explanation than "intent." In these cases, assuming the actor is "stupid" requires you to ignore the mathematical precision of the "mistake."
Application:
If a system fails randomly, it is Hanlon’s (Stupidity). If a system fails in a way that perfectly serves a hidden agenda while appearing to be a "glitch," it is the Machiavellian Razor (Strategic Malice).
Okay can you chill? "Misled as a child", please really calm down. You are not Morpheus, this is not the Matrix, and you are not a dispenser of red pills.
My definition of Occam's Razar is not wrong, it's a reasonable simplification of it, "other things being equal" is referring to the explanatory power and evidence of the two competing explanations. The basic premise - prefer simplicity unless you have a good reason not to (which is how you yourself resummarized it by the way) is fine.
Considering the NPRs are being kicked out now - Stats Can population decline in Q3 is basically entirely due to NPRs - I really think you're overstating your case that it was "highly efficient destruction" when it looks more like a giant mess. No hidden agendas were served, in fact it caused a giant backlash that will make people more anti-immigration for a generation. It was obviously completely unsustainable by anyone who was paying attention.
The simplest explanation was that the international student programs were uncapped, and have been uncapped for a long time. The government, as governments often do, defaulted to "no action" as the exponential growth ramped up. Then it became a debacle they couldn't ignore. Only then, amidst the entirely predictable public outcry, they course corrected.
A more malicious interpretation would require a SHRED of evidence, or at least a shred of efficacy of some plot that was served. Otherwise the mundane, obvious explanation of "a government prone to inaction and incompetence" satisfies all the conditions best.
Also I think you should lay off the AI a bit, notice how I don't have delusions of grandeur or say you were "misled as a child" when talking to you? You sound manic, messianic even. It's called AI psychosis, look it up.
"Nobody panics when things go 'according to plan (policy).' Even if the plan (policy) is horrifying!"
Wonder why our Aussie cousins didn't make the list?
https://preview.redd.it/wqh5iwmfe68g1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=631a266831556fd0fee2796d517d92e00cf4620a
Hey thank you that’s a great point and I should have included AUS in the chart
Source on this data? I'm Aussie/Canuck and look at data from both StatsCan and ABS.
Sorry, quick google sheets by me of StatCan 17-10-0009-01 and ABS 3101.0.
The main point, as anyone who follows international demography should know, is that Canada's most comparable country in terms of both policy and culture should be included in such comparisons.
Surprisingly they're the only country with more household debt than canadians
Why does the Australian source 3101.0, stop in 2020? And frankly based on our past interactions I don't believe you.
https://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/DetailsPage/3101.0Jun%202019
Even if what you posted is true, what kind of an argument is why did the other country in full control of it's non-native population growth also put itself into an insane population trap due to be lead by corrupt and glue sniffing ret@rds not make the list?
The main point as anyone who made it through grade school knows that just cause your short bus riding cousin jumps off of a bridge doesn't mean you should too.
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2024/04/canada-and-australia-caught-in-same-economic-trap/
Funny how this one shows Canada significantly worse in 2023 at 3.2 vs 2.5% versus your 'google sheets' graph.
Pretty stale and as usual weak argument from you, but I'm not surprised as that's been your and head crash's MO for what 3+ years now?
Ok don't believe me, believe Leith who you linked.
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2025/12/make-no-mistake-australias-immigration-is-extreme/
Last chart.
I make no argument on the appropriateness of this level of immigration, like our last interaction I'm simply providing accurate relevant data.
Lol, I just checked and ABS 3101.0 stops in 2020. Funny that, except for the familiarity I have with that user and another certain crashed head below both of whom have been rabid defenders and deflectors of the Liberal Party of Corruption's treasonous population growth for something like 3+ years now.
It doesn't, not sure if you need help using the Internet but here is the link.
https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/national-state-and-territory-population/jun-2025/31010do001_202506.xlsx
Stop ascribing politics to data.
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And for our largesse we were reward with more and more crime.
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We want Canada to be in a race with Italy.
Justin’s mass immigration will take a while to unwind. Even though Canada is now shrinking it will take a decade to restore balance. A complete recovery from all of Trudeau’s economic cheats will probably take a long time but it shouldn’t be as bad as what we had to do to restore balance after Pierre Trudeau’s dumpster fire. Pierre’s mess was so bad we had Conservatives radically increasing taxes even on the most wealthy and the Liberals massively slashing federal spending to restore our sustainable path.
Idk Pierre didn’t have nearly as many third world gangs and rapists roaming around so whatever sort of “recovery” without remigration will be ephemeral.
True, back then there were only a couple countries sending immigrants that were violent and daring enough to form criminal organizations and survive against the Italian mafia and bikers. One of those nationalities still controls all of Toronto’s jails.
What nationality would that be?
Jamaica.
Yeah the shower posse are incredibly brutal.
It’s too late, Canada will continue to devolve into tribalism and many of these foreign tribes will subjugate the weak Canadians that invited them in.
The governments plan is to have negative population growth for 2 years.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaHousing2/comments/1pp3l1k/canada_reports_biggest_population_decline_on/
Not very negative though, it's just going to plateau. We need deportations and an immigration moratorium for 2 years to actually get back to how we were.
The population decline is driven largely by people leaving voluntarily so there's little need for that.
Pushing mass deportations has caused massive economic trouble for the US.
The people who need to leave aren't doing so voluntarily, they're working under the table for family members. And no, deportations have not caused "massive economic trouble" for the US. That's a total lie. Their economy is in trouble but that's because of Trump's scizophrenic tariffs.
There’s no avoiding economic trouble from where we are at and the longer they delay, the worse it will be. The economic trouble will come in the form of businesses that were taking advantage of cheap, abundant labour will no longer be able to make record profits. The wealth distribution is so out of whack right now, the result will be the average person will be better off and the wealthy asset owners will be worse off. This is why libs will never do what they’re doing in the US.
No actually the opposite happens in a crash.
Right, so the businesses will simply respond by shutting down, and the rich people will simply buy into the resulting economic dip when everyone else defaults, thus transferring massive amounts of wealth away from the working class, making them poorer and more desperate.
What’s the crash here? The average person was not benefiting from those businesses that are shutting down.
Businesses employ people. People rely on employment to pay for things like mortgages.
For example, shutting down Tim Hortons wouldn't just impact low wage fast food workers. It also impacts all the workers and industries who build, supply and maintain those stores, not to mention the impact on franchisees.
land values are also impacted.
Fast food franchises and other kinds of retailers were developed to drive land values up and sell leases.
When those business shut down land values will go down with them while investors use their existing wealth and land holdings as leverage to acquire more land.
Thats really bad news for new and aspiring homeowners as rates go up and they end up underwater with their financing. This creates a great opportunity for rich people to swoop in and buy more land.
This will also screw farmers, who will then sell their land to the same rich people who are behind all of this.
It's already started. That's why companies like Walmart and billionaires like Bill Gates are buying up farm land now.
It's the rebirth of the landed gentry.
If someone is no longer a legally resident they should be deported. This shouldn’t even be a controversial take but Canadians are retarded.
Despite what many believe, cell phone data indicates we don't have a large illegal population. The only thing we can do is what we're doing right now, slashing NPRs.
Not only is that just an unsourced tweet with no data, but it's not even making the point you're trying to. He's saying that the illegal immigrant population is likely not currently increasing. That is not at all the same thing as saying there is a small illegal population.
He's saying this literally, this is a direct quote.
The guy is a well known Conservative and anti-immigration personality. Also it's still a good proxy for population because cell phones do not last forever.
...It's times like this I just have to remind myself that half the population reads below a 6th grade level
Fight about the data if you want, you can say you disagree with the conclusion too, but that was very much, literally the point he was trying to make and it's you that read below a 6th grade level if you can't grasp that.
This is new cell phone registrations. This only tracks people illegally arriving for the first time. It can’t track people who illegally overstay visas.
What did Pierre Trudeau do?? I always hear about him but it was way before my time
First of all like all our modern prime ministers he did some good things. He wasn’t 100% terrible. His total disregard for sustainable economics put Canada‘s books in absolutely terrible shape, he spent money like a drunken sailor which not only put us on a path to fiscal ruin but severely worsened inflation at a time when inflation was already bad world wide. He also caused severe division among the provinces making both Quebec and Alberta feel betrayed. Alberta probably would have had a massive sovereign wealth fund if they weren’t worried about clowns stealing it and the separatists in Quebec would never have gained momentum. Mulroney had to massively increase taxes and at least he went after the wealthy 1% people like Trudeau with his capital gains inclusion hike. Then Chretien had to slash federal spending by 13% which didn’t make him very popular. The funny thing is after decades of sensible leadership, Trudeau repeated his dad’s behaviour and pissed it all away ruining our finances and causing division like we have never seen.
I think this is either about the multiculturalism policy of 1971 or the immigration act of 1976.
The immigration regulations of 1967 were probably more impactful, but those were under Pearson not Trudeau.
Let's see a graph on population density now.
This chart is essentially useless.
It's not. We did not build the infrastructure for this increase, not hospitals, roads, schools, airports, etc etc.
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Oh it's cause the economy is good and people are having babies again right?
/s
I wonder what demographic is driving the growth.
And everytime they'll talk about reducing immigration they will start from 2021 showing 2024 what a decline it's been.
And when I say housing prices went crazy because of supply and demand people down vote.... No where got a demand increase/immigration like Canada
The population growth is mostly Indians and south Asians.
It's not a race and we didn't have to take part in it, but Canadians allowed it to happen. We won the population growth race at the sacrifice of every other metric.
No Australia? New Zealand? Ireland?
Seems so selective intentionally
Australia New Zealand and Ireland! Small English speaking countries with similar cultures and policies to us? Why would we compare to the countries we are most similar to?
https://preview.redd.it/g0bo2chd6d8g1.jpeg?width=1531&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=78aa0d6f93672984faa621ec8709a70377f5f83f
Sorry the Emerald Isle only has annual data for some reason, I added the polynomial trend line.
Hey that’s racist! /s
lol this is so misleading. What’s the population size of each country? Canada is severely underpopulated with a fast aging population.
That is a ridiculous statement. Totally unsubstanitated with any facts.
C'est magnifique