The amount of money given to the indigenous more than covers the amount of land taken times a thousand. The truth is as long as the liberal people and politicians panders to these people, the issue will never end. Why the US does not have these issue with the indigenous and Mexicans? I predict the residential school and the never been found bodies in graves will forever be used as a way to get more attention and of course money. It’s all about money. They were given millions to dig for bodies but never done it. Why? Because it was always about the attention and money not the truth.
If they actually dig and find nothing, there goes their whole excuse for reconciliation. The whole reconciliation industry would go poof. So that's why they don't dig. What a fucking scam.
Unfortunately you're wrong. They've dug up 3 sites, 1 of which was only partial, and they found nothing, yet they're still going with it. You gotta remember objective reality means nothing to these people.
All indian bands fought and killed one another just like any westerners did back then. One tribe conquered, pillaged, stole and raped just as any westerner did in those days. But you won't hear of any reconciliation between bands cause they are all fcking broke and reconciling with each FN groups is pointless. Best to make the non-natives pay since they like working so much and paying fucking taxes.
Just because your ancestors went foraging and hunting for food, tripped and fell into a gully and died doesnt make you owners of the land. Or he went and took a piss/shit on some land doesn't make you the owner of the land. Begging and constant victimhood, aside from opening casinos, are all these FN clowns knows.
I used to live on Haida gwaii. We had to attend weekly "native studies" in elementary school. The teacher pretty much did nothing but rant about how much better their native lifestyles were before being colonized.
It was years later that I found out the Haida in particular were famous for going on massive pillage runs along the coast, doing nothing but rape, murder, and cannibalize. They weren't doing it for resources, there's plenty of that on Haida gwaii. It was just pure unabated rapemaxxing for the hell of it
They loved enslaving people too. They had plenty of white slaves. I wonder if those families will see any reparations? You know assuming they managed to have any family since most of them didn’t live long or happy lives.
Bodies are not the issue, holy crap. If your personal family history included government POLICY to kidnap your children to “civilize” them you would be chill?
None of the ongoing issues raised by indigenous communities are about money specifically- its about YOU and ME and all the settlers on the lands being shook to recognize the old behaviour so we will NOW, today and going forward change our attitudes and actions when their nations want to exercise their fucking culture and traditions. If I told a christian to get over the whole jesus situation, that its no big deal what one group did to another ages ago - do you think they would accept that position? Same cake, different slice.
Our government tried to wipe the “savages ” off the land they colonized. Any issue you see raised by indigenous ppl today is a clap back at that attempted genocide and is an attempt to say “hey, we are humans with rights to believe what we believe”
Say more? Like this shit is still happening, so we should ignore the historic quality of our current problems? Like we may not have got the lesson so here we are?
At the end of the day it's just another cause du jour leftists pretend to care about in order to feel morally superior. If they actually cared they'd oppose mass immigration (i.e. bringing in millions of foreigners to further displace the natives), and yet...
How about that they accepted it as part of cultural assimilation. They use our modern amenities, roads, social services etc. They are welcome to live in society if they choose to do so. Have special reserves they can live on if they chose to live within their own sub culture.
Stealing is easier so it shouldn't be given the same weight as conquering in terms of dificulty in achieving it (perverse as it is). Colonialism/Imperialism leads to some seriously warped value judgements.
My liberal cousin who actually works for indigenous affairs Canada said because they were here first. When I bought up the Quran referred to Palestine as being "King David's" land so Palestine & Israel must be Jewish land then (King David was Jewish) it didn't apply though LOL
They owned whatever land they could take an hold by force. That was the law of the land when Europeans arrived. Europeans took the land through a significantly more benign application of that existing law of the land. It's preposterous to think that stone age tribes without a written language would have had any other system of property ownership.
One class of citizen with everybody receiving equal benefit and possessing equal rights is the only moral, acceptable form of government. Regardless of what was done, or what was signed, or what existed when we got here, if it's evil it needs to stop.
Technically I think it's neither stolen or conquered. A lot of Native tribes didn't have a "private property" view of land. For them, nature and land was not property.
In some cars, land was supposed to be surveyed and given to them, but a corrupt person deliberately fucked up and took the land for his own, later selling it or, which lead to it being parceled up, leading to fall out generations later.
In other cases, land was claimed but never ceeded. For others, treaties exist and protect land interests for the indigenous and the Crown.
Because it’s their land. We signed treaties with them in order to make a deal. We didn’t want bloodshed and still don’t want it. They are about 2 million people that are coordinated and could do a lot of damage to our country if we try to take their land. Our military is 60k… and the majority of the population know that we don’t have the hunger to take land and hurt people just to appease people that want to exploit resources.
Our military is 60k and they don't have a military. Who has the weapons.....you made the comparison but if Canada actually went to war with the "indigenous" and we didnt care about casualties they wouldnt last long.
You think the majority of the population supports stealing the land and going against treaties? Like to see a bill purposed that’s going to win support on that.
…You don’t think 2 million people have weapons? They’d cause way more havoc on our cities than what we could do them. We don’t have the attrition for war against them.
If you can’t use words you’re not a real troll. And you don’t know what a treaty is so you can’t explain the subject anyway.
Do you think it would be ok for the US to disregard the treaties we signed with them and take our land? …I’ll wait for your gif
The British didn't "conquer" Canada. They killed the french Catholics who settled Canada. Then had to make deals to survive against the states. Once they survived they essentially put indians in people-zoos. The reason kids are going nuts these days is that history is judging the English to be evil.
More pertinent, IF this is true than why do we not send troops to defend Gaza? Due to Tarrifs and so on. But what this does is create a terribly paradox here where people ask such questions as the OP did, juicing up the far right and their favorite themes of Blame Someone Not White for the failure to change economic systems. If I were Carney I'd say it: Canada is against colonialism, genocide and white supremacy _except_ because of the immense power of next door neighbors (USA and Russia) we have to bite our tongue in public but wink wink we are all thinking it and moving strategically.
The amount of money given to the indigenous more than covers the amount of land taken times a thousand. The truth is as long as the liberal people and politicians panders to these people, the issue will never end. Why the US does not have these issue with the indigenous and Mexicans? I predict the residential school and the never been found bodies in graves will forever be used as a way to get more attention and of course money. It’s all about money. They were given millions to dig for bodies but never done it. Why? Because it was always about the attention and money not the truth.
If they actually dig and find nothing, there goes their whole excuse for reconciliation. The whole reconciliation industry would go poof. So that's why they don't dig. What a fucking scam.
They won’t find anything. It was a septic field (documented).
Unfortunately you're wrong. They've dug up 3 sites, 1 of which was only partial, and they found nothing, yet they're still going with it. You gotta remember objective reality means nothing to these people.
All indian bands fought and killed one another just like any westerners did back then. One tribe conquered, pillaged, stole and raped just as any westerner did in those days. But you won't hear of any reconciliation between bands cause they are all fcking broke and reconciling with each FN groups is pointless. Best to make the non-natives pay since they like working so much and paying fucking taxes.
Just because your ancestors went foraging and hunting for food, tripped and fell into a gully and died doesnt make you owners of the land. Or he went and took a piss/shit on some land doesn't make you the owner of the land. Begging and constant victimhood, aside from opening casinos, are all these FN clowns knows.
I used to live on Haida gwaii. We had to attend weekly "native studies" in elementary school. The teacher pretty much did nothing but rant about how much better their native lifestyles were before being colonized.
It was years later that I found out the Haida in particular were famous for going on massive pillage runs along the coast, doing nothing but rape, murder, and cannibalize. They weren't doing it for resources, there's plenty of that on Haida gwaii. It was just pure unabated rapemaxxing for the hell of it
They loved enslaving people too. They had plenty of white slaves. I wonder if those families will see any reparations? You know assuming they managed to have any family since most of them didn’t live long or happy lives.
I've got news for you: The cons aren't going to bring them into the mainstream.
Bodies are not the issue, holy crap. If your personal family history included government POLICY to kidnap your children to “civilize” them you would be chill?
None of the ongoing issues raised by indigenous communities are about money specifically- its about YOU and ME and all the settlers on the lands being shook to recognize the old behaviour so we will NOW, today and going forward change our attitudes and actions when their nations want to exercise their fucking culture and traditions. If I told a christian to get over the whole jesus situation, that its no big deal what one group did to another ages ago - do you think they would accept that position? Same cake, different slice.
Our government tried to wipe the “savages ” off the land they colonized. Any issue you see raised by indigenous ppl today is a clap back at that attempted genocide and is an attempt to say “hey, we are humans with rights to believe what we believe”
Why does this feel so familiar?
Say more? Like this shit is still happening, so we should ignore the historic quality of our current problems? Like we may not have got the lesson so here we are?
What’s your point?
I can't place my finger on it, but those words reminded me of something. It's like I feel I have seen that somewhere, but I can't figure out.
They asked to send their kids to these schools so they would have a chance to fit into western society. But go ahead keep rewriting history.
You literally just made that up.
Yeah, but is it untrue?
Honestly is there any comparable amount of money per land to any other culture group in the world?
At the end of the day it's just another cause du jour leftists pretend to care about in order to feel morally superior. If they actually cared they'd oppose mass immigration (i.e. bringing in millions of foreigners to further displace the natives), and yet...
Liberal guilt-tripping.
How about that they accepted it as part of cultural assimilation. They use our modern amenities, roads, social services etc. They are welcome to live in society if they choose to do so. Have special reserves they can live on if they chose to live within their own sub culture.
Some of that land wasn't conquered, it was "bought" but payments never arrived even though colonizing settlers did.
Conquered lands = you fought and won Lying/witholding payment = sleazy
One was earned, the other wasn't.
Only Quebec was fought for.
Stealing is worse than murder?
Morally murder is worse than stealing.
Stealing is easier so it shouldn't be given the same weight as conquering in terms of dificulty in achieving it (perverse as it is). Colonialism/Imperialism leads to some seriously warped value judgements.
So what lessons is the world learning from Canada’s recent actions?
Which actions are you referring to?
My liberal cousin who actually works for indigenous affairs Canada said because they were here first. When I bought up the Quran referred to Palestine as being "King David's" land so Palestine & Israel must be Jewish land then (King David was Jewish) it didn't apply though LOL
They owned whatever land they could take an hold by force. That was the law of the land when Europeans arrived. Europeans took the land through a significantly more benign application of that existing law of the land. It's preposterous to think that stone age tribes without a written language would have had any other system of property ownership.
One class of citizen with everybody receiving equal benefit and possessing equal rights is the only moral, acceptable form of government. Regardless of what was done, or what was signed, or what existed when we got here, if it's evil it needs to stop.
Same thing. Not yours
Technically I think it's neither stolen or conquered. A lot of Native tribes didn't have a "private property" view of land. For them, nature and land was not property.
In some cars, land was supposed to be surveyed and given to them, but a corrupt person deliberately fucked up and took the land for his own, later selling it or, which lead to it being parceled up, leading to fall out generations later.
In other cases, land was claimed but never ceeded. For others, treaties exist and protect land interests for the indigenous and the Crown.
Tldr its complicated.
It's all propaganda to take away land ownership from Canadians and give it to the UN / WEF. The natives are easier to control.
It’s same thing for these quebecoise people who think the world should speak French. Hey the British won you lost.
Except the French were granted these rights day 1 of the Quebec Act.
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Was there actual bloodshed? Usually that is required to settle the matter.
Because it’s their land. We signed treaties with them in order to make a deal. We didn’t want bloodshed and still don’t want it. They are about 2 million people that are coordinated and could do a lot of damage to our country if we try to take their land. Our military is 60k… and the majority of the population know that we don’t have the hunger to take land and hurt people just to appease people that want to exploit resources.
Our military is 60k and they don't have a military. Who has the weapons.....you made the comparison but if Canada actually went to war with the "indigenous" and we didnt care about casualties they wouldnt last long.
You think the majority of the population supports stealing the land and going against treaties? Like to see a bill purposed that’s going to win support on that.
…You don’t think 2 million people have weapons? They’d cause way more havoc on our cities than what we could do them. We don’t have the attrition for war against them.
Like I said. They wouldn't last long.
For the record you brought up the idea of violence.
Ask the people in Richmond who is stealing land.
32 billion was spent on the indigenous just in 2024. A 300% increase from 2015.
This isnt reconciliation. Reconciliation has an end point where we would be reconciled. This is never ending fleecing.
Do you know what a treaty is?
https://preview.redd.it/zsexa5xr847g1.jpeg?width=236&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4989f0a99522500b5d1780674f4eb5fd1e205d61
So no?
https://x.com/i/status/1998105099248574787
If you can’t use words you’re not a real troll. And you don’t know what a treaty is so you can’t explain the subject anyway. Do you think it would be ok for the US to disregard the treaties we signed with them and take our land? …I’ll wait for your gif
yet they seem ready to.
Who’s this?
https://x.com/i/status/1994843614040789088
Ok
it's whatever word salad that gets them real estate or cash.
also, they weren't good at fighting. LOL
The British didn't "conquer" Canada. They killed the french Catholics who settled Canada. Then had to make deals to survive against the states. Once they survived they essentially put indians in people-zoos. The reason kids are going nuts these days is that history is judging the English to be evil.
More pertinent, IF this is true than why do we not send troops to defend Gaza? Due to Tarrifs and so on. But what this does is create a terribly paradox here where people ask such questions as the OP did, juicing up the far right and their favorite themes of Blame Someone Not White for the failure to change economic systems. If I were Carney I'd say it: Canada is against colonialism, genocide and white supremacy _except_ because of the immense power of next door neighbors (USA and Russia) we have to bite our tongue in public but wink wink we are all thinking it and moving strategically.
seems like a lot of blaming white people for their own failures lately.
https://preview.redd.it/we4qp8kmz37g1.jpeg?width=417&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e7fbb53953e7570fd14fd7cbb880838f4b7d9cfb
Seems like predictable reactionaries are going hard!
No written language, no ownership proof.
What about the treaties we signed?
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