If Wisconsin ever added a "student athletics performance fee" to regular student's tuition like some of these schools are to fund student athlete payments they would never see another cent from me.
Right?!? I’m at work eating a sandwich I made at home for lunch to save $7 and they are writing six and seven figure checks to 18 year olds who are good at sports ball.
It should just embrace it. Standardizing transfer fees would a least allow smaller programs to see some benefit for developing players who then transfer to major programs.
They wanna play that game then it's go play for UNT & we might call you in 2 years. Forces the g5 into a glorified farm system and fucks over any chance they have of developing and keeping kids
These kids get 4 or maybe 5 years to play. If a kid sits as a freshman and is gonna sit as a redshirt freshman I can’t blame them at all. Imagine being so good at football you can play D1 and all you do is sit on the bench
But I also don’t blame the P4 teams that will inevitably just stop recruiting all but the most ready-to-contribute HS players and instead take a 20 man portal class of 2nd through 4th year players that need less development
Yup. Any team that gets really good at evaluating potential portal talent and has tons of booster money to buy talent from the portal will go that route.
Yeah its a situation where both sides are right. Players have limited time to earn. But it kinda sucks to be the school that pays and develops them for a year or two only to see that investment leave when they’re about to start contributing.
Yes, they were paid as freshman then went somewhere else as sophomores. It's better for them to go somewhere they'll play, and it raises the overall competition to have bench players go be starters elsewhere.
In your world people are leaving p4 teams where they won't start, but won't go to g5 either. But they are also staying in college longer. People disappearing into the ether?
The big difference is that the buyout money comes out of the new team’s cap, but it doesn’t go into the old team’s cap, so they can’t necessarily go and spend it on new players.
The roster sizes are already very comparable. The Chiefs, for example, have had 69 players get snaps this year, plus another 16 guys on the practice squad. That puts them at exactly 85.
The only difference is that they are able to move guys in and out via the waiver wire, whereas college teams have one set roster for the year.
It’s not “selling players” it’s buying out a contract/agreement. You aren’t paying for possession of the player you’re paying for the rights to create your own agreement with said player.
If he had left, Demond Williams would have owed Washington the value of his contract ($4 million), sources tell @YahooSports. His new school would have also incurred a reduction in its revenue-share pool next year by that amount, per House settlement guidelines
And I will gladly take my downvotes because when a player finally challenges these absurd claims Ross is making and wins, the vindication will be fantastic. They’re powerful and scary, but ultimately toothless, threats.
I am 100% sure neither LSU nor Demond would have owed anything close to $4m. I’d bet my law license on it.
Well Demond should have hired you. Instead when he hired legal counsel he announced he was going back to UW within the same day. Something tells me they knew they were not gonna win the fight.
Entering the transfer portal with a no contact tag without a landing spot would easily make the top 5 of dumb decisions Demond has made within the past 72 hours.
It wasnt thru his actual agent most likely since his agency dropped him. So who knows who got in his ear and said what and it may not have actually been real.
It could have been you’re not going to win this fight but it also could very well have been you could win this fight but it may take years and vast legal fees.
Yes, but good lawyers advise their clients that it is bad for them and discourage them from pursuing that option—at least for clients like this who might not have another shot at a multi-million dollar payday. Don’t gamble with a client’s financial wellbeing. Obviously, if a client decides otherwise, then you do your best to prove your own advice wrong and win.
I mean unless Demond was paying them on contigency the lawyers are going to get paid whether he wins the case, or not, a long legal battle that takes years would suck for Demond, but the lawyers would have no problem with it. That is their job.
Their job is to advise their client and then do what the client wants. Most lawyers are not going to only advise their client to do the thing that makes them the most money. I was just pointing out there are other reason as to why he would have changed his mind and it doesn’t mean the case would have been a slam dunk.
I'm going to laugh if all of the spending doesn't equate into better results than this yr... objectively that shouldn't be the case but there's more to it than just buying talent. Alabama was loaded with good talent this yr...
Which if some big spending programs keep not delivering and you end up with more parity and dark horse runs it should put to bed the anti-NIL sentiment.
Tech could hypothetically lose the Big12, win a playoff game and its still a net positive. We could also have a replay of this season but lose by 3 and it still be a success. The average CFB fan that paid 0 attention to Tech has no idea how bad we were the past 15 years.
Not only did the school and B1G go full scorched earth, people here flew off the rails saying he shouldn’t be allowed to leave/play elsewhere. Let me know if you need thread links.
Demond gave his future NIL rights to UW, even in the event of a transfer, and agreed that they didn’t have to help him transfer. Sorsby, presumably, didn’t.
I know it’s a different pot of money but stuff like this is why I laugh every time my school asks me for money.
I graduated from a school without a football team and I still laugh when they ask me for money.
my D2 school loves asking for money. pretty sure we have an “athletic give back” once a week
I know how big the USC endowment is and I laugh when they ask me for money
Yeah their endowment dwarfs UGAs. They still get nada from me and seem to be doing pretty well.
Oregon self burn!
Hey now, I know Oregon hasn't won a natty and is a pretender, but they still have a football team. They play tonight FYI
Brown and TESC but yea..lol
If Wisconsin ever added a "student athletics performance fee" to regular student's tuition like some of these schools are to fund student athlete payments they would never see another cent from me.
James Madison has joined the chat.
25% of tuition is athletic fees!
Gotta suck to be a paying student there who hates sports.
Just send Texas Tech the link to this thread every time they ask from now on.
Right?!? I’m at work eating a sandwich I made at home for lunch to save $7 and they are writing six and seven figure checks to 18 year olds who are good at sports ball.
They let me graduate with a journalism degree. Do they really expect me to cut them a check?
It is, but it isn't lol
I work for a university and they ask me to donate to the school. Like hey, we know we pay you, but want to give us some of that back?
https://youtu.be/aiqKK4ysI7g?si=KGIchMMoDwF-ZSMH
Reminds me of this John Mulaney bit
Yeah let them “buy out” my student loans first, then I’ll think about donating. (Probably still won’t)
If you want to laugh more, you should look at thier endowment in 2025 alone. Its absurd.
Also, its not a different pot of money, alot of the funds and donations that used to go to education are now directly going to sports.
I miss the good old days when you only owed millions to buy out a coach.
Bo Pelini burner account
Doesn’t matter Tech just claimed Sovereign Immunity to get out of those buy outs
TT would be able to get whomever they want if oil goes to $100 a barrel.
They’ll have to wait a while for that.
It’s more likely to go closer to 20 dollars soon, gas is under 2 dollars wheee I’m at
In Lubbock it was under 2 bucks but has gone above again. Coincidence? Yeah, probably
Gas is going down …
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Sorsby is on loan from Cincinnati FC
CFB is getting closer and closer to the professional soccer model of player movement.
It should just embrace it. Standardizing transfer fees would a least allow smaller programs to see some benefit for developing players who then transfer to major programs.
Loans too. In a way it would be kind of cool if UT could loan a heralded freshman that won’t play immediately to UTSA or something.
It also stops the HS recruits doing the current BS of running off the second they get told they aren't starting sophomore year
And why is that bs? Go somewhere to play.
Because they got paid to come in as freshman
They wanna play that game then it's go play for UNT & we might call you in 2 years. Forces the g5 into a glorified farm system and fucks over any chance they have of developing and keeping kids
These kids get 4 or maybe 5 years to play. If a kid sits as a freshman and is gonna sit as a redshirt freshman I can’t blame them at all. Imagine being so good at football you can play D1 and all you do is sit on the bench
I don’t blame them
But I also don’t blame the P4 teams that will inevitably just stop recruiting all but the most ready-to-contribute HS players and instead take a 20 man portal class of 2nd through 4th year players that need less development
Florida state shows exactly why you cannot do this. Plus HS players are cheaper and teams still have a budget
Indiana shows exactly why you can
The HS NIL market is going to crater in the near future imo
Yup. Any team that gets really good at evaluating potential portal talent and has tons of booster money to buy talent from the portal will go that route.
Because they did it w/ QB and very poorly at that
HS recruiting gonna turn into NFL draft except there's only 2 rounds and everyone else told to go fuck off to the CFL (G5s)
Depends on if you can retain your HS recruited guys or not, and what kind of guys you can pull from the portal.
I, for one, am glad my favorite team started recruiting some unheralded 3* QB in high school rather than just portal hunting.
Yeah its a situation where both sides are right. Players have limited time to earn. But it kinda sucks to be the school that pays and develops them for a year or two only to see that investment leave when they’re about to start contributing.
Yes, they were paid as freshman then went somewhere else as sophomores. It's better for them to go somewhere they'll play, and it raises the overall competition to have bench players go be starters elsewhere.
At the cost of burned every g5 program to the ground
G5 of course famously always were competitive in the past.
Also, it doesn't burn them to the ground. Instead of 3*s sitting on the Texas bench, they go G5 now.
It's clear you don't understand what is actually going to happen and just spewing the uncle agent bag chasing BS
Enlighten me?
In your world people are leaving p4 teams where they won't start, but won't go to g5 either. But they are also staying in college longer. People disappearing into the ether?
The big difference is that the buyout money comes out of the new team’s cap, but it doesn’t go into the old team’s cap, so they can’t necessarily go and spend it on new players.
CFB academies need to start signing 13 year olds.
Needs to happen or the alternative is g5 turns into development league and every HS player that can't start immediately is told to go over there
Yeah this is coming and I also think with it NFL sized rosters. 105 or even 85 players is just not financially doable
The roster sizes are already very comparable. The Chiefs, for example, have had 69 players get snaps this year, plus another 16 guys on the practice squad. That puts them at exactly 85.
The only difference is that they are able to move guys in and out via the waiver wire, whereas college teams have one set roster for the year.
I roster size limitations will do more than NIL or the transfer portal to increase parity across the sport and I am 100% here for it.
Retvrn to one platoon football
Gonna have to find some people who came to play school.
Yes. Next, split the fbs into two 64 team leagues with promotion and relegation.
Would be awesome and will never happen
A boy can dream! Guess I’ll just have to do it in ncaa 26
Just need relegation!
We need to split the FBS into two levels, then have relegation and promotion
Now we just need relegation
There is zero way selling players fly on the usa
It’s not “selling players” it’s buying out a contract/agreement. You aren’t paying for possession of the player you’re paying for the rights to create your own agreement with said player.
Normalize buyouts and we can get this whole thing under control.
It's the one small thing that can actually save the G5 programs who keep losing talent to the bigger schools.
So would LSU have owed a $4 million buyout for Demond Williams?
From Ross Dellenger:
So that’s why he came back…
Yep, pretty much the reason. He spoke with Heitner yesterday who basically told him he was screwed out of all his NIL money unless he stays
I think that’s where this is going
No.
And I will gladly take my downvotes because when a player finally challenges these absurd claims Ross is making and wins, the vindication will be fantastic. They’re powerful and scary, but ultimately toothless, threats.
I am 100% sure neither LSU nor Demond would have owed anything close to $4m. I’d bet my law license on it.
Well Demond should have hired you. Instead when he hired legal counsel he announced he was going back to UW within the same day. Something tells me they knew they were not gonna win the fight.
Demond may not have even had an actual landing spot. We dont really know anything.
Entering the transfer portal with a no contact tag without a landing spot would easily make the top 5 of dumb decisions Demond has made within the past 72 hours.
It wasnt thru his actual agent most likely since his agency dropped him. So who knows who got in his ear and said what and it may not have actually been real.
I mean we know it was Cordell Landers, and everyone seemed to report similar numbers when he entered, so Idk why you would think it was a fake offer.
It could have been you’re not going to win this fight but it also could very well have been you could win this fight but it may take years and vast legal fees.
Sounds like a great deal for the lawyers, no?
Yes, but good lawyers advise their clients that it is bad for them and discourage them from pursuing that option—at least for clients like this who might not have another shot at a multi-million dollar payday. Don’t gamble with a client’s financial wellbeing. Obviously, if a client decides otherwise, then you do your best to prove your own advice wrong and win.
I honestly don’t understand what you mean by this. Can you clarify?
I mean unless Demond was paying them on contigency the lawyers are going to get paid whether he wins the case, or not, a long legal battle that takes years would suck for Demond, but the lawyers would have no problem with it. That is their job.
Their job is to advise their client and then do what the client wants. Most lawyers are not going to only advise their client to do the thing that makes them the most money. I was just pointing out there are other reason as to why he would have changed his mind and it doesn’t mean the case would have been a slam dunk.
Ohh here’s a way for schools to get out of having players poached.
Let’s go
This is all lane kiffins fault.
death penalty for Mizzou, then
I wonder if cheap oil prices will be hurting Tech’s NIL
No, Campbell already made his money
If he was smart he probably has like $0.5B sitting in an account and using the interest to fund the nil deals.
He's a billionaire, that's exactly what he's doing lmao
That’s exactly not how billionaires handle their money.
I’m pretty sure that billionaires take out loans against themselves
I'm going to laugh if all of the spending doesn't equate into better results than this yr... objectively that shouldn't be the case but there's more to it than just buying talent. Alabama was loaded with good talent this yr...
Which if some big spending programs keep not delivering and you end up with more parity and dark horse runs it should put to bed the anti-NIL sentiment.
The tired narrative everyone was hurling before this season was "all this to go 7-5"
We only got our first outright conference championship in 70 years, our first CFP ranking ever, and our first appearance in the CFP in return.
Horrible ROI.
I think Texas Tech is doing a good job of giving themselves an opportunity to compete.
Oregon has deployed massive resources for about 30 years now and they’ve had the opportunity to play for National Titles and NY6 Bowls.
Tech might not win National Championship, but I applaud them for giving themselves the opportunity to do so.
I can also tell Texas A&M and Texas fans feeling some type of way about Tech’s success.
Guess you missed "objectively that shouldn't be the case" -- meaning I'd bet personally the investment gives further results.
The 23-0 shutout was pretty raw tho ;) lol
That's why we bought a QB who is more mobile than a Walmart greeter
Tech could hypothetically lose the Big12, win a playoff game and its still a net positive. We could also have a replay of this season but lose by 3 and it still be a success. The average CFB fan that paid 0 attention to Tech has no idea how bad we were the past 15 years.
Leach wasn’t that far…
Damn
I'm for this
Washington QB needs lessons on how contracts work
https://media1.tenor.com/m/tuLZuJ80wNQAAAAC/oil-chappell.gif
How will they EVER afford that huge sum?
We'll have to get Joey to dig around in the player lounge couch cushions for 5 minutes
Can we afford to fire Wes miller now?
Was Cincinnati paying him that?
(Laughs in oil baron)
This is the future.
Like Europe soccer, new school needs to pay player but also pay old school finders fee.
Ready for the outrage about kids not honoring their contracts.
Any moment now
This is the definition of honoring a contract
He was still under contract and left.
Yes? And the contract he was under included a clause for what happens if its ended early.
Soresby knew about it and is satisfying the terms of the contract. That's honoring a contract.
Yet Cincinnati didn’t threaten to sue. Weird.
Also, so did Demond’s: return money paid to you.
Not only did the school and B1G go full scorched earth, people here flew off the rails saying he shouldn’t be allowed to leave/play elsewhere. Let me know if you need thread links.
The victim complex lol
Demond obviously didn't think he'd have to pay anything, announced it during a memorial service, and skipped unexpectedly
Different contracts, different terms, different rules
Source on Demond thinking he didn’t have to pay anything
I'm sorry that Tech is better at reading contracts than LSU
vOv
Why would Cinci threaten to sue if the contract is honored?
Why would UW without even giving a chance for the contract to be honored?
(Spoiler: because despite what Ross is telling you, the contract they drafted would have left them recovering almost nothing)
Demond gave his future NIL rights to UW, even in the event of a transfer, and agreed that they didn’t have to help him transfer. Sorsby, presumably, didn’t.
This is between Sorsby and Cincy, not Tech. Reporting has since been updated.
Venezuela really gonna help these O&G alumni. /s