I’m so curious how Ohio State would have been ranked if it were a 4 team playoff. Obviously given they won it all they were the best team. But that loss to Michigan might have kept them out and made the loss sting that much more.
I agree they’re probably left out based on all the historical evidence. That being said, they were 4th in betting odds before the games ever started (ND was #5). So I think an argument could have been made that OSU was the #4 best team in people’s minds at the time.
100% agree that they were one of the best teams in terms of talent. However if we’re just judging off talent I still think they’re the most talented team that was in the playoff this year, and look where that got them
They also had by far the best résumé between OSU/PSU/Texas which would have been the group of teams fighting for the 4th spot.
I think there’s no way they get in with how political the 4 team CFP era was and what they had working against them. It would have been B1G vs SEC, and OSU beat PSU H2H, so the argument would’ve been OSU vs Texas.
There’s no way that OSU even with their superior résumé would overcome the embarrassing loss right at the end of the season going into the debate + their only common opponent being Michigan who Texas stomped in Ann Arbor while OSU lost to them at The Shoe + the fury of SEC world if they felt like they were getting the short end of something in the 4 team era.
It really was a great year for being the first year with 12 teams because Texas getting in while Ohio State, who many still thought was the best team in the country and who had 3 wins against the current top ten while Texas had I think zero wins against ranked teams by then, got left out would have been peak idiocy.
I agree that OSU had the better resume, but Texas had no bad losses, and one of them was in the SECCG. They also had the common opponent in Michigan.
I’m never a fan of leaving out a team for losing their CCG in favor of a team that didn’t even make theirs. But I could absolutely see them going either way if it was a 4 team setup.
I realize I’m on the world’s tiniest island here, but I disagree with the statement that the team who won was obviously the best team. I don’t disagree that OSU was the best team last year, but in general, worse teams beat better teams all the time.
Alabama beat UGA once this year despite clearly being worse. FSU beat Alabama despite clearly being worse. That’s why the transitive win property has never worked. Games aren’t determinative and fair. OSU was better than Michigan last year and lost. Individual game results are fairly high variance and influenced a lot by luck.
I think it just depends on what you think it the playoff should be. “Deserve to be in” and “can possibly win” can be two different things. There’s a school of thought that even if you’re hot at the end of the season and could win the playoff, you might not deserve to make it in if you lost a bunch earlier while others didn’t.
I don’t subscribe to that line of thinking, but that’s what it is. The National champion should be the team that’s playing best at the end of the season. They might not and probably won’t be the same team that was playing the best at the start of the season. That changes a lot as the season goes on, especially with injuries.
All other natty's hold less significance than the ones after the implementation of the 12 team. Especially the ones that were voted. Then BCS ones. Then 4 team ones.
Even though they were coached by evil cretin Tommy Tuberville 2004 Auburn were absolutely robbed of a chance to win the title and anyone that says we need to go back to the newspapers just…deciding who wins the title are wrong.
He was a QB in his senior year. Also there was an epic game with him versus Jeremiah Smith's Chaminade team during Toney's freshman year where he goes off for 2 TDs. There is a reason they called him Baby Jesus.
While it would make sense to not penalize teams for losing a CCG in many circumstances, being in a league with an unbalanced schedule and then getting blown out should mean something.
There is no such thing as an SEC or Big Ten schedule anymore so schedules should be evaluated more individually in those cases.
Wonder how many 10+ seeds woulda won a championship if they had this system all along.
So many strong teams over the years like Miami that had a couple uh-ohs against bad teams that costed them a postseason, from an eye test this season you could just see how big and physical Miami was and to think that they almost missed a postseason is crazy.
Not many. NIL has changed the landscape so much that any given year there are like 5 teams that have a chance to win. Teams aren’t nearly as dominant with the sheer amount of talent studded rosters
This is the biggest thing with NIL that I think some fans didn't realize. Why go be the 10th or 15th best player at Bama when you can be paid to be THE GUY at a smaller school, etc. It spreads that talent out a little thinner so you're not seeing all the best guys clumped up at a couple programs.
I can remember Florida State teams from the late 80s/early 90s who might lose 1-2 games early on and then steamroll everyone. People used to argue those teams could have beaten everyone at the end of the year (and they may have been right).
I'm torn on the whole thing - I hate the idea of expanding the playoff if it just means we're going to get the 6th place SEC team and 5th place Big 10 team in there. But I acknowledge that a team can have an off week, and it stinks that sometimes losing one game is a hurdle that's impossible to overcome given the number of other good teams that are out there. If I had confidence that the committee would distribute the extra bids across multiple conferences (say, no more than 3 bids for any 1 conference), then I'd be on board.
Someone kept harping about “but they had horrible losses”. And I would kindly point out but they also beat every ranked team that was put before them, was told that didn’t matter.
They weren't even horrible losses. Louisville and SMU both ended their seasons with 9 wins. They were certainly both better losses than Bama's loss to FSU
The ACC is such a deeply unserious conference. This have been a fun run to watch for a casual who thinks Cristobal gets too much heat. Rooting for y'all next Monday. College football is better when Miami is a powerhouse.
Cal fans have become my favorite fan base of all time. I'm glad you joined the ACC. The universal acceptance of their place in the CFB world order as simply agents of chaos is inspiring.
We might never be actually that good and squander elite QBs like no ones business. BUT LET IT BE KNOWN WE ARE FUN (unless u have playoff hopes on the line)
I’m fucking pissed off now. Gave up 10 points to Miami and had the game won. Imagine if A&M had an elite quarterback. Every throw I see Chambliss make I say “Reed cannot do that”
Dude Reed needs to learn to set his feet and throw a deep ball accurately. If he learned that one skill, we probably win a championship this year because he missed 1-3 open deep balls every damn game.
Every game he overthrew Concepcion or Craver for an easy score. His arm is there, he needs to figure out his footwork more than anything else. Its fucking up a lot of his throws
The first two rounds were hilarious skits. Can't wait to see the pissed off SEC team leader once he finds out Ole Miss "blew" it against the hurricanes
No room in the schedule for P5 games when you have to play Eastern Cupcake State every November to give your team a nice rest before the end of the season.
Is it better to play a wake up game in August against Albany or start with a real opponent? I think if it were that big of an advantage to play them in November that the big ten would encourage that type of scheduling over playing the cupcake at the start.
I hate that teams play these games at all. I'd like to see a rule that any game versus a non-FBS team doesn't count as a win on your schedule for playoff purposes. It's like taking study hall to try to boost your GPA.
If you're really a contending team, prove it by scheduling other teams that might give you a game.
SEC is going to 9 conference games and a required p4 ooc next year. Even the big ten can’t claim that. Y’all still have multiple teams not play a single p4 ooc this year.
Hey, don't let that record fool you - in that same month, that Auburn team recorded close losses ™️ with a 1 possession loss to #16 Vandy and supreme SEC Powerhouse Kentucky. Quality win by Alabama
I never understood this way of thinking. Ranking happens every week, you need to be ranked to make it to the playoffs, with how subjective rankings can be, what happens within the season is still very important.
You still need at minimum 10 wins to make it into the playoffs. Nothing has been watered down, it seems expending the playoffs simply allowed teams the ability to lose an extra game and make up for it throughout the season. ND would have been absolutely eliminated from the playoffs by like week 2 or 3 if it wasn’t for the 12 team playoff
I disagree entirely with the point of the playoffs, but I'm an old man yelling at clouds at this point. The bowl system was unique to college football and an awesome way to end a season. It's transitioned from playing an extra game because you love of the game itself, to obsessively needing to know who's "the best." The gamblers and the bean counters won the war.
I think the current system works much better for the Iowa States of the world than the Ohio States (which is of course the perspective I grew up with). The epic regular season battles of previous eras simply don’t exist anymore, or have been reduced down to the nubs, in favor of allowing more teams a shot at the title if they’re good enough. I think I like the current system better than the 2- or 4-team options, though…..once that seal was broken they might as well dive in. In the olden days part of the charm was that the sport wasn’t structured entirely around the national championship race. Teams were very happy beating their rival, going 10-2 and winning the Orange Bowl or something.
And yet people were ready to write off the playoffs this year.. sure Miami isn't a Cinderella, but they never would have gotten a chance in previous formats.
What really happened was that Virginia if they won, would’ve made it. Since they didn’t and duke was not goin to get a bid the acc said fuck no your going to put a team in Miami beat nd h2h. Thats up to you to pick between ND or Bama. They picked their other contenders they own. 1 more sec and a 1 acc bid to keep the conference happy
Kind of - but ACC did not care which team got in, they wanted at least one. They led with wanting 2 teams: ACC champ and Miami, but settled for 1 team.
At least that is the way someone told me it was going to happen about 13 hours before the actual decision was announced. But what do I know?
Call me a conspiracy theorist but I’m not sure they flip ND and Miami if UVA wins and the ACC has a bid.
They could have easily done it the week prior since BYU was out unless they won the Big12 regardless. Miami closed well and there’d be no reason to complain about Miami > ND > BYU vs ND > BYU > Miami because it changes nothing for BYU.
If UVA won, they were going to CFP as the ACC champs just like JMU and Texas Tech. ACC wanted Miami in, but they would have been happy with UVA.
I heard about the call literal hours before the announcement from someone high up in ACC. Apparently, the ACC was pissed that they were being shut out of the CFP, and they were ready to walk. If they go, the CFP is dead as Big10 and SEC will just make their own championship with a team or 2 from the ACC.
CFP didn't want to piss off ND, but existentially could not piss off the ACC.
well, Cal is the only reason Duke made it to the ACC Championship game (knocked out SMU in the final week), so really they should be the reason Miami made it!
Every year around selection time and all regular season I want that because I think its the only teams that actually deserve to get in… and then by the end of the playoff it’s been so fun I don’t care
Oh. There's an entire cult of fucking idiots in this sub who talk about "muh regular season" and want us to go back to voting for the champion instead of playing for it like what we used to do back in the 90's before the Bull Crap System.
I love how people were acting like FBS playoffs were impossible because there's some sort of insurmountable parity between the top teams and everyone else as if college football is the only sport where upsets magically don't happen
This is sort of true as long as the expanded teams are still P4 teams. Sure adding teams like ND, Michigan or USC to this playoff would support “any given Sunday”.
Adding weaklings like Tulane, JMU, and Alabama just created boring blood bath games for better programs.
So you're telling me that an expanded playoff can lead to exciting upsets, I never would have thought that from all those years of college basketball...oh yeah thats right.
And for years people would say "do you really think the number 10 team in the country could claim to be the best?" Yep. But more importantly, I believe that in any given year the number 10 team could win a championship, regardless of whether they're the best on paper or not.
I understand that it would have been amazing for Ole Miss to get to the Finals without Kiffin, and that ESPN wanted a SEC-Big 10 Finals, but that was some of the most one-sided officiating I have seen.
I think with the NIL more teams can go on a run now. You just have to get into the playoffs first.
I used to be against expansion for the playoffs but now I say get rid of conference championship games and make it a top 25 with a play in based of final regular season rankings
Alternatively: I've thought Miami had a good shot every game but I don't think as much vs Indiana (should that be the matchup) for one reason and one reason only: discipline. Penalties and poor judgement calls are gonna eat Miami alive vs Indiana.
Yeah watching Miami against Texas A&M I thought OSU would mop the floor with them. And then Miami simply dominated the first half and played more or less even in the second half and easily deserved the win.
I do wonder what would happen without the bye, but it’s not an excuse…see Indiana.
Honestly they clearly out-talented Ole Miss tonight, but the game was very close (closer than it should have been IMO. Miami's play calling was pretty bizarre at some points)
Watching them absolutely refusing to run last two runs had me feeling like I was taking crazy pills man. Literally before every play just run the fucking ball.
Wow only took 2 seasons for a double digit seed
Two seasons in a row, a team that had no chance to be included in a 4-team playoff will play for a championship
I’m so curious how Ohio State would have been ranked if it were a 4 team playoff. Obviously given they won it all they were the best team. But that loss to Michigan might have kept them out and made the loss sting that much more.
Definitely would have kept them out. Four-team would have been (1) Oregon, (2) Georgia, (3) Notre Dame, (4) Texas probably
The reason I chose those seedings is that you were punished more for conference championship losses in the four team
I agree they’re probably left out based on all the historical evidence. That being said, they were 4th in betting odds before the games ever started (ND was #5). So I think an argument could have been made that OSU was the #4 best team in people’s minds at the time.
100% agree that they were one of the best teams in terms of talent. However if we’re just judging off talent I still think they’re the most talented team that was in the playoff this year, and look where that got them
They also had by far the best résumé between OSU/PSU/Texas which would have been the group of teams fighting for the 4th spot.
I think there’s no way they get in with how political the 4 team CFP era was and what they had working against them. It would have been B1G vs SEC, and OSU beat PSU H2H, so the argument would’ve been OSU vs Texas.
There’s no way that OSU even with their superior résumé would overcome the embarrassing loss right at the end of the season going into the debate + their only common opponent being Michigan who Texas stomped in Ann Arbor while OSU lost to them at The Shoe + the fury of SEC world if they felt like they were getting the short end of something in the 4 team era.
It really was a great year for being the first year with 12 teams because Texas getting in while Ohio State, who many still thought was the best team in the country and who had 3 wins against the current top ten while Texas had I think zero wins against ranked teams by then, got left out would have been peak idiocy.
I agree that OSU had the better resume, but Texas had no bad losses, and one of them was in the SECCG. They also had the common opponent in Michigan.
I’m never a fan of leaving out a team for losing their CCG in favor of a team that didn’t even make theirs. But I could absolutely see them going either way if it was a 4 team setup.
UGA got left out for a 3-peat losing in the SEC championship to bama in a close game and they were 13-1…
So last year, OSU is probably left out in the 4-team, but with the committee obviously favoring matchups (it’s an invitational), you never know
I realize I’m on the world’s tiniest island here, but I disagree with the statement that the team who won was obviously the best team. I don’t disagree that OSU was the best team last year, but in general, worse teams beat better teams all the time.
Alabama beat UGA once this year despite clearly being worse. FSU beat Alabama despite clearly being worse. That’s why the transitive win property has never worked. Games aren’t determinative and fair. OSU was better than Michigan last year and lost. Individual game results are fairly high variance and influenced a lot by luck.
This is what happens when the CFB committee has the courage of it's convictions.
All the “only 8 teams deserve to be in a playoff” guys can suck it
I think it just depends on what you think it the playoff should be. “Deserve to be in” and “can possibly win” can be two different things. There’s a school of thought that even if you’re hot at the end of the season and could win the playoff, you might not deserve to make it in if you lost a bunch earlier while others didn’t.
I don’t subscribe to that line of thinking, but that’s what it is. The National champion should be the team that’s playing best at the end of the season. They might not and probably won’t be the same team that was playing the best at the start of the season. That changes a lot as the season goes on, especially with injuries.
The guys who want the BCS back can REALLY suck it.
Today has been awesome. Mostly because those fucks can eat an unwashed horses asshole.
Those mfs are soooooo goddamn annoying.
"We HaVe To GaTeKeEp ThE NaTiOnAl ChAmPiOnShIp!1!"
Really the only place the underdog is vilified. Imagine what national titles we've been robbed of
But muh regular season.
-losers everywhere on this sub
All other natty's hold less significance than the ones after the implementation of the 12 team. Especially the ones that were voted. Then BCS ones. Then 4 team ones.
Honestly, nobody in 20 years is gonna care about a supposed difference between legitimate vs. semi-legit champs when looking back.
Even though they were coached by evil cretin Tommy Tuberville 2004 Auburn were absolutely robbed of a chance to win the title and anyone that says we need to go back to the newspapers just…deciding who wins the title are wrong.
The thread title sounds like it’s super rare. But experience says it happens 50% of the time.
How did anyone tackle Malichi Toney in high school? Is there evidence that it happened
He was 17 when he played against ND
17??? Someone run the Ryan Williams highlights quick
He's technically a 2026 grad
Bro watches our games too much lol.
But did you hear, he’s not even 18!
Crazy, that means he is 2 years younger than Jason Tatum!!
He was in his mothers womb last year and came out early to play
<insert Jayson Tatum joke>
He was a QB in his senior year. Also there was an epic game with him versus Jeremiah Smith's Chaminade team during Toney's freshman year where he goes off for 2 TDs. There is a reason they called him Baby Jesus.
Trick question, they didn't! (He also played QB extremely well)
I don’t know how good his throwing was, butIf he had to throw off handed he should still be the qb.
Their QB got hurt, so he moved to QB and won the state title. He actually has a pretty solid arm.
He also does his own taxes and has a great singing voice.
Some people say he's still dancing in highschool end zones today.
Crazy thing is he is supposed to be in high school this year. He re-classified to skip a year and sign early
He was like a three-star recruit also not one of our top ranked guys from last year
Alternative title: A double digit seed made the championship half of the years it was possible
Alternative alternative title: team that the CFP committee debated leaving out to make room for another SEC team makes it to the finals
Except the teams on the bubble were BYU and ND
Yeah, there was no debate about Alabama. They held their position even after getting blown the fuck out in the SECCG.
While it would make sense to not penalize teams for losing a CCG in many circumstances, being in a league with an unbalanced schedule and then getting blown out should mean something.
There is no such thing as an SEC or Big Ten schedule anymore so schedules should be evaluated more individually in those cases.
Year 2 of this format, so 50% of the time.
Wonder how many 10+ seeds woulda won a championship if they had this system all along.
So many strong teams over the years like Miami that had a couple uh-ohs against bad teams that costed them a postseason, from an eye test this season you could just see how big and physical Miami was and to think that they almost missed a postseason is crazy.
Since the playoffs started? Probably 1 or 0 just because Bama and Clemson and Georgia were absolute juggernauts the years they won it
Yeah plus those years where Urban Meyer had two losses, highly doubt a Clay Helton USC team or Mark Richt Miami is making a run past that top 6
You never know until you play the games. Which you get to do now.
Depends. UCF, Kansas, cal, Boise, Mizzou, Oregon state
Lots of incredible teams in hindsight who never got a shot that could have done it over the past 20+ years
Oklahoma State forgotten and they were the closest, and most unjustifiably excluded (save for the obvious FSU and UCF)
Auburn 2004 is I think the biggest example. Went literally undefeated, played in the dang SEC, and still didn’t get a chance.
Auburn 2004 was the basis for rejecting a rematch in 2006, this was a net positive.
However that logic was then immediately discarded in 2011 and that’s stupid.
Eh, we probably would have lost to Oklahoma for a third time in 2007.
Stupid Sooners…
2013 would be cool in a playoff scenario
And with that, the SEC moves to 108,485,907-0 in hypothetical matchups and gets to claim a couple more natties
These teams already had natties so no natties added. And the Clemson champs would be undefeated against SEC teams in this hypothetical :)
Not many. NIL has changed the landscape so much that any given year there are like 5 teams that have a chance to win. Teams aren’t nearly as dominant with the sheer amount of talent studded rosters
This is the biggest thing with NIL that I think some fans didn't realize. Why go be the 10th or 15th best player at Bama when you can be paid to be THE GUY at a smaller school, etc. It spreads that talent out a little thinner so you're not seeing all the best guys clumped up at a couple programs.
I can remember Florida State teams from the late 80s/early 90s who might lose 1-2 games early on and then steamroll everyone. People used to argue those teams could have beaten everyone at the end of the year (and they may have been right).
I'm torn on the whole thing - I hate the idea of expanding the playoff if it just means we're going to get the 6th place SEC team and 5th place Big 10 team in there. But I acknowledge that a team can have an off week, and it stinks that sometimes losing one game is a hurdle that's impossible to overcome given the number of other good teams that are out there. If I had confidence that the committee would distribute the extra bids across multiple conferences (say, no more than 3 bids for any 1 conference), then I'd be on board.
You could always expand it and go back it a BCS style way of picking teams.
Hypothetically, Alabama would have won all championships all along
Miami has now beaten ND, FSU, Florida, VT, Pitt, Ohio State, A&M and Ole Miss all in one season. Is this real life?
And lost to SMU and Louisville!
Someone kept harping about “but they had horrible losses”. And I would kindly point out but they also beat every ranked team that was put before them, was told that didn’t matter.
They weren't even horrible losses. Louisville and SMU both ended their seasons with 9 wins. They were certainly both better losses than Bama's loss to FSU
The Mario experience. Will clutch out a title but lose to a 9 win team in October
They've only lost to ACC teams and finished 3rd in the conference.
ACC ACC ACC
The real powerhouse conference 😤
Thanks to Syracuse losing to Boston College.
It's too early... did that swing your opponents win% that left you out of the ACC championship game?
Yes. That and FSU being dogshit this year.
The ACC is such a deeply unserious conference. This have been a fun run to watch for a casual who thinks Cristobal gets too much heat. Rooting for y'all next Monday. College football is better when Miami is a powerhouse.
Everyone heaped praise on Duke last night. But I was like, somebody give kudos to BC.
ACC absorbing the pac-12's soul
Well it is only the second year that was possible, so not to surprising lol.
Thanks Duke
Ahemmmmmm
Thanks Cal
Let's gooooo
Cal fans have become my favorite fan base of all time. I'm glad you joined the ACC. The universal acceptance of their place in the CFB world order as simply agents of chaos is inspiring.
We might never be actually that good and squander elite QBs like no ones business. BUT LET IT BE KNOWN WE ARE FUN (unless u have playoff hopes on the line)
First time in Las Vegas Golden Knights history
Catch up grandpa, it’s
Seattle KrakenUtah Mammoth history nowH I S T O R I C
I’m fucking pissed off now. Gave up 10 points to Miami and had the game won. Imagine if A&M had an elite quarterback. Every throw I see Chambliss make I say “Reed cannot do that”
Dude Reed needs to learn to set his feet and throw a deep ball accurately. If he learned that one skill, we probably win a championship this year because he missed 1-3 open deep balls every damn game.
Reed might have the worst footwork I've ever seen from a QB. It's actually shocking how infrequently he sets his feet and steps toward his target.
When his footwork is on though ... He hit that 60yder in those gusts.
True. But I guess that's why it's especially frustrating to watch a guy with those athletic gifts get happy feet and throw bad passes.
He’s just not good enough he lacks arm talent, vision and play making ability in the pass game
Every game he overthrew Concepcion or Craver for an easy score. His arm is there, he needs to figure out his footwork more than anything else. Its fucking up a lot of his throws
We are a few plays away from a totally different conversation about A&M. Such a bummer.
GT ‘d be happy to take another QB off your hands, just throwing that out there
Reed seemed to have the talent, but couldn’t put it all together for a game..
Idk if he’s in his head or what. Crazy to see chambliss play so loose and execute so well. He’s very confident in his ability and it shows
I see flashes of that with Marcel, but not like chambliss
If this format was more than 2 years old, this would be far more impressive /j
counterpoint: it only took 2 tries for it to happen...thats also pretty impressive
Sec is so ass now
It's been 1,095 days since an SEC won the natty.
Sec Roll call will be awesome!
The first two rounds were hilarious skits. Can't wait to see the pissed off SEC team leader once he finds out Ole Miss "blew" it against the hurricanes
ESPN in shambles. See how they fucking try to tootsie roll out of this one.
Crazy thing is that’s not even that bad lol
Listen it's more fun if you use days. 3 years sounds lame lol
Well there are 16 teams so that is a combined 48 seasons without a national title game appearance.
Literal generations
1,576,800 minutes since the SEC won a natty
Ole miss could’ve won and been in there, almost did
I'm actually pretty impressed with Ole Miss. They were clearly kind of outmatched tonight, but they hung in there and almost pulled it off.
Good thing they had 5 teams in the playoff!
Maybe its time we stopped ranking tenn, mizzu, and vandy in the top 20 and pretend theyre osrt of a "gauntlet " schedule
the ratings are totally bullshit.
why is mizzou ranked 20?: because they played Alabama tight
why is Alabama ranked 3. because they beat Mizzou.
We need more out of conference p5 games in order to properly assess teams. I feel we need to set requirements for out of conference games.
No room in the schedule for P5 games when you have to play Eastern Cupcake State every November to give your team a nice rest before the end of the season.
Is it better to play a wake up game in August against Albany or start with a real opponent? I think if it were that big of an advantage to play them in November that the big ten would encourage that type of scheduling over playing the cupcake at the start.
It definitely matters, but realistically it would be nice if we could eventually get to a point everyone plays 2 P4 OOC and only 1 cupcake.
Moving in the right direction now, but the big 10 needs to mandate 1 P4 OOC still
I hate that teams play these games at all. I'd like to see a rule that any game versus a non-FBS team doesn't count as a win on your schedule for playoff purposes. It's like taking study hall to try to boost your GPA.
If you're really a contending team, prove it by scheduling other teams that might give you a game.
SEC is going to 9 conference games and a required p4 ooc next year. Even the big ten can’t claim that. Y’all still have multiple teams not play a single p4 ooc this year.
That still leaves room for a G5 and a late Novemebr FCS game.
tenn, mizzu, and lsu sure
lets not lump vandy in with this..they havent gotten that kind of long term benefit in their whole 2 years of being ranked
don’t worry they will justify ranking Kentucky or Auburn instead. the SEC must be fed the fodder
Good thing they had a gutsy 4th down call against a 5-7 Auburn team!
Hey, don't let that record fool you - in that same month, that Auburn team recorded close losses ™️ with a 1 possession loss to #16 Vandy and supreme SEC Powerhouse Kentucky. Quality win by Alabama
Southasstern Conference
SAC
“In History”….. bro it’s been 2 years
That’s why the games on the field matter . all that subjective shit is so outdated for this sport
Notre Dame died for this
And that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.
And everyone said only 4 teams should be in the playoff🙄
The pushback wasn’t because they didn’t think the CFP would be fun, it’s because of the impact on the regular season.
I never understood this way of thinking. Ranking happens every week, you need to be ranked to make it to the playoffs, with how subjective rankings can be, what happens within the season is still very important.
You still need at minimum 10 wins to make it into the playoffs. Nothing has been watered down, it seems expending the playoffs simply allowed teams the ability to lose an extra game and make up for it throughout the season. ND would have been absolutely eliminated from the playoffs by like week 2 or 3 if it wasn’t for the 12 team playoff
I disagree entirely with the point of the playoffs, but I'm an old man yelling at clouds at this point. The bowl system was unique to college football and an awesome way to end a season. It's transitioned from playing an extra game because you love of the game itself, to obsessively needing to know who's "the best." The gamblers and the bean counters won the war.
The bowl system was an awesome way for sponsors to make money. Meanwhile the FCS has one of the greatest postseasons in sports.
I think the current system works much better for the Iowa States of the world than the Ohio States (which is of course the perspective I grew up with). The epic regular season battles of previous eras simply don’t exist anymore, or have been reduced down to the nubs, in favor of allowing more teams a shot at the title if they’re good enough. I think I like the current system better than the 2- or 4-team options, though…..once that seal was broken they might as well dive in. In the olden days part of the charm was that the sport wasn’t structured entirely around the national championship race. Teams were very happy beating their rival, going 10-2 and winning the Orange Bowl or something.
pulls out the worlds smallest violin
Go watch European soccer if you want a trophy for winning the regular season. In America, ALL of our sports are decided in playoffs. 🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🦅🦅
And people wanted to shrink the field. This shit is why you play the games!
It happens every other year
I'm betting mortgage payments on the 10-12 seeds in 2 seasons! Fucking rocket ships
And yet people were ready to write off the playoffs this year.. sure Miami isn't a Cinderella, but they never would have gotten a chance in previous formats.
Maybe Louisville and SMU aren't that bad after all, huh?
Miami becomes the first team that starts with M in 12 team CFP
Are we only taking the first letter of the first word, and also discounting team names in favor of university names?
Because if we’re not doing both of those, then I sure have some news for you about the Southern Methodist University Mustangs.
Haha, good one… I think We need Harvard or Yale for a ruling…
People who don’t want the playoff expanded out past 4 teams not doing too well the past few years
No team above a 7-seed has ever made it to the CFP Championship game
lol remember when they tired to put multiple teams over Miami like ND TEXAS and did with Alabama and OU
Remember when they tired to to say ACC 0 bid league
Honestly, the only reason ND was not there was the call from ACC saying you have to give us 2 spots, but then settling for only 1.
THEN Duke wins the ACC championship so UVA is out.
So much had to go right for UMiami to be here, and now they are in the Finals.
What really happened was that Virginia if they won, would’ve made it. Since they didn’t and duke was not goin to get a bid the acc said fuck no your going to put a team in Miami beat nd h2h. Thats up to you to pick between ND or Bama. They picked their other contenders they own. 1 more sec and a 1 acc bid to keep the conference happy
Kind of - but ACC did not care which team got in, they wanted at least one. They led with wanting 2 teams: ACC champ and Miami, but settled for 1 team.
At least that is the way someone told me it was going to happen about 13 hours before the actual decision was announced. But what do I know?
Call me a conspiracy theorist but I’m not sure they flip ND and Miami if UVA wins and the ACC has a bid.
They could have easily done it the week prior since BYU was out unless they won the Big12 regardless. Miami closed well and there’d be no reason to complain about Miami > ND > BYU vs ND > BYU > Miami because it changes nothing for BYU.
If UVA won, they were going to CFP as the ACC champs just like JMU and Texas Tech. ACC wanted Miami in, but they would have been happy with UVA.
I heard about the call literal hours before the announcement from someone high up in ACC. Apparently, the ACC was pissed that they were being shut out of the CFP, and they were ready to walk. If they go, the CFP is dead as Big10 and SEC will just make their own championship with a team or 2 from the ACC.
CFP didn't want to piss off ND, but existentially could not piss off the ACC.
Obviously I have no idea if random reddit stories like this are true... but it does sound believable.
I choose to believe Analrapist03
The Blue Devils send their regards.
Sure? Lol I don’t know if that’s supposed to be a compliment cause I’m backing the ACC and big 12 or insult
The Blue Devils are sending their regards to all of the teams Miami has knocked off, since Duke is the only reason Miami made it.
well, Cal is the only reason Duke made it to the ACC Championship game (knocked out SMU in the final week), so really they should be the reason Miami made it!
So, Duke are the Lannisters, Miami are the Boltons/Freys, everyone they beat are the Starks, and Cal are the… Baratheons?
The Big Ten and ACC should break away and form a super league
"Keep it at 4 teams"
Every year around selection time and all regular season I want that because I think its the only teams that actually deserve to get in… and then by the end of the playoff it’s been so fun I don’t care
Like the NCAA Tournament.
Sometimes you'll end up with duds for the Natty, but I mean, we got that with the "unquestionably best two teams" before too
Oh. There's an entire cult of fucking idiots in this sub who talk about "muh regular season" and want us to go back to voting for the champion instead of playing for it like what we used to do back in the 90's before the Bull Crap System.
I love how people were acting like FBS playoffs were impossible because there's some sort of insurmountable parity between the top teams and everyone else as if college football is the only sport where upsets magically don't happen
This just goes to show that the adage “on any given Sunday” will be especially true when they expand the playoffs to more teams.
It will be more engaging to a larger group of fans instead of the previous 5 or 6 teams that were always in the Natty mix.
This is sort of true as long as the expanded teams are still P4 teams. Sure adding teams like ND, Michigan or USC to this playoff would support “any given Sunday”.
Adding weaklings like Tulane, JMU, and Alabama just created boring blood bath games for better programs.
Holy shit I need a cigarette
I thought someone would appreciate that lol
And to think they were almost left out for Notre Lame
It’s only been around for 2 years. Last year Ohio state and Notre Dame became the first 8 and 7 seeds to reach the CFP Natty. Weird flex.
So you're telling me that an expanded playoff can lead to exciting upsets, I never would have thought that from all those years of college basketball...oh yeah thats right.
WHAT THE FUCK TOOK SO LONG?!?!
Yep we definitely need more teams if the 8 and 10 seeds can make the final
VAMOS MIAMI One More. All About The U! CANES Nation and The State of MIAMI 😍😂😍
Expansion case to 16 improving by the game
And for years people would say "do you really think the number 10 team in the country could claim to be the best?" Yep. But more importantly, I believe that in any given year the number 10 team could win a championship, regardless of whether they're the best on paper or not.
So the SEC was gifted 5 of the 12 playoff berths (42%) and didn’t get even one team to the Final? Sankey says, “We need 6 or 7 spots next year!”
Put some RESPEK on the ACC playoff committee you cowards
I will say it was fun beating the refs again.
I understand that it would have been amazing for Ole Miss to get to the Finals without Kiffin, and that ESPN wanted a SEC-Big 10 Finals, but that was some of the most one-sided officiating I have seen.
A taste of March Madness in CFB. I love it
Its Good to be a Miami Hurricane today...
I think with the NIL more teams can go on a run now. You just have to get into the playoffs first.
I used to be against expansion for the playoffs but now I say get rid of conference championship games and make it a top 25 with a play in based of final regular season rankings
"In cfp history"
Lol
For as messy as CFB is right now I’d say the current system does a really good job at getting the right teams in the finals. You really gotta earn it!
H I S T O R I C
It's **almost** like the SEC teams are ranked high for TV ratings purposes and not the actual product on the field.
In other news, water is wet.
Notre Dame is welcome to eat shit
I think Indiana easily beats them, they didn’t look like a national champ and could’ve easily lost that game
To be fair to Miami, everyone has thought that against each opponent they’ve had
Alternatively: I've thought Miami had a good shot every game but I don't think as much vs Indiana (should that be the matchup) for one reason and one reason only: discipline. Penalties and poor judgement calls are gonna eat Miami alive vs Indiana.
Yeah watching Miami against Texas A&M I thought OSU would mop the floor with them. And then Miami simply dominated the first half and played more or less even in the second half and easily deserved the win.
I do wonder what would happen without the bye, but it’s not an excuse…see Indiana.
We are perfectly fine with the world knowing we suck and are about to get tossed.
People keep saying this
Miami has all the talent to beat anyone. But Beck could have an absolute blowup game.
Miami lost 2 games to teams they severely out-talented because Beck throw 6 picks.
Honestly they clearly out-talented Ole Miss tonight, but the game was very close (closer than it should have been IMO. Miami's play calling was pretty bizarre at some points)
Shannon Dawson playcalling will go from elite to absolutely garbage in the span of one drive. He is an enigma of an OC
Watching them absolutely refusing to run last two runs had me feeling like I was taking crazy pills man. Literally before every play just run the fucking ball.
Feel-good juggernauts falter against heel teams if the heel team is good enough. Heel teams just catch breaks.
They had some bad errors but if they can clean them up that would have been a very different game. Can they clean them up? Idk.
They played pretty clean against OSU. Definitely didn't tonight.
If we're playing that game if they had a few less penalties and if their dbs could catch it would have been a blow out
The sheer amount of drops by the dbs was unlucky, but the penalties was a return to form and is my main concern in the title game.