Week 10
This is a series I've now been doing for 11 years. The post attempts to visualize all AP Poll ballots in a single image. Additionally it sorts each AP voter by similarity to the group. Notably, this is not a measure of how "good" a voter is, just how consistent they are with the group. Especially preseason, having a diversity of opinions and ranking styles is advantageous to having a true consensus poll. Polls tend to coalesce towards each other as the season goes on.
You can now view all of the ballots this season by week by sliding through here: https://bakonyalgo.com/ap
Trevor Hass, Michael Katz, Julian Mininsohn, and Mike Jacques were tied as the most consistent voters this week. Michael Katz is in first on the season. Julian Mininsohn, Matt Murschel, Jerry Humphrey, and Mike Jacques were behind him in the top 5.
Koki Riley was the biggest outlier this week. Koki Riley is the biggest outlier on the season, followed by Stephen Means, Sam McKewon, Jon Wilner, and Kirk Kenney.
Wow, TAMU's 1 #1 vote did not come from the Brian-College Station guy
Pretty sure aggies would crucify him for putting that curse on their team
That’s if we were feeing kind
Doesn’t really matter. The committee will release their rankings before A&M plays again
Brian?
Brian, known friend of Sam
Is he from Bear County?
Not sure if you're legitimately asking or not, Bryan is a neighboring city, we call it BCS.
I am so confused by your post. Obviously I was pointing out the spelling mistake. As for being familiar with BCS and Bryan, I actually spent a few years living in Bryan so I am rather familiar with the area.
I didn't know! Just wasn't sure if you were legitimately asking what Bryan (Brian)-College Station is
I thought it'd be Koki
Koki really hates BYU.
Koki’s a fucking tool. It’s absurd this child has an AP vote.
Hold on, hes got us the highest. I think hes onto something
Koki gets you high
Exactly
GT at #17 is criminal
Haynes King by himself is top ten. He's a fighter.
It is criminal.
This clown single-handedly cost us like 2 spots
Koki has been in the bottom 5 in terms of consistency with the overall poll every week except week 0 and week 2.
He hates GT even more
He's like six years old. Idk why he's even relevant
Yeah I checked his x account to see if he’s defending it, what he’s saying, etc.
Dude cant be older than 25. How is he a voter?
It's manipulation. Look how high Notre Dame is ranked. Trying to get them to jump a spot. This kind of stuff happens all the time and everyone overlooks it.
Koki clearly hates Virginia the most.
I have to think he's trying to get name recognition but like I don't really think being known as the worst AP voter gets you bigger jobs
Incredible how so many still clearly haven’t watched a UW game lol.
I'm struggling to rank them with the best wins being Illinois Maryland and Rutgers while being beat pretty bad by Michigan and OSU
Michigan looked in control that whole game
I'd drop memphis though. Anyways having them just outside the top 25 is not the egregious sin people are making it out to be
I mean I’d say your argument is valid, but in the same vein you can look at teams in the 20-25 range like Texas, Utah and USC and basically say the same thing meanwhile UW has looked significantly more competitive as the season has gone on.
Truthfully there’s almost no difference between #15 and #35. Plenty of teams aren’t ranked but could be.
Texas played OSU closer than anyone and way closer the UW. The loss to Florida is much worse than Michigan though. I can see the arguments either way for all of those teams.
But my main point is that it's pretty close either way
That game was close because it was the first game of the season and Ohio State played extremely conservative on offense and everyone knows it. The score is much more lopsided if they play now. You of all people should understand how a team can look vastly different from start of season to middle, right?
AP voters heavily favorite the 1 and 2 loss SEC teams without much more than the “it just means more” mantra as evidence.
Those are all very true points. And if we were talking about power ratings and how good teams are I would definitely take that into consideration.
But it being the first game of the season doesn't excuse what you put on tape for resume rankings. I think we'd beat FSU next week but that doesn't excuse FSU from being a terrible loss and a stain on alabamas resume
The games played matter
Idk I feel like even with a terrible week one loss, Alabama is a top 5 team. If I put more weight into week one matchups then I wouldn’t rank them in the top 5 because that loss is one of the worst in the top 25. But I’ve seen them evolve over the course of the season and think they are ranked correctly.
I think they are too because no one loss teams come even close to their wins. They also have probably the worst loss of all one loss teams. So however you want to weigh that is fine but I wouldn't say you should just excuse week 1
Now do Oregon
Here’s a good stat for you with UW: Illinois alone has more power wins than all of Oregon’s wins combined.
Edit: Rutgers got one so all of Oregon’s wins have the same amount as just Illinois now.
They’ll be ranked eventually it’s just taking a while to get there. Losing to Michigan like that when they did took a lot of air out of their push. They should win @ Wisconsin and get ranked next week.
Incredible how so many still clearly haven’t watched a UW game lol.
Do they not get good ratings? I thought some of their games were up there this year
UW is a 1-2 football team. Maryland and Rutgers are free wins for any half-serious program
Maryland recently beat Texas in back to back years; they usually have close games with Michigan and ohio state. Outside of this year, A&M would lose to Maryland most years
Your first two points being a win over a 5-7 team 8 years ago and keeping it close sometimes in a series they're 1-20 in tells me all I need to know lol. Having all those hypothetical wins against A&M sealed it
When you put it that way....yeah I guess you're right lol.
Maryland is about to have a 4 game slide and their only power win is Wisconsin, who has no power wins themselves.
Drop Missouri.
No wins against a team with a winning record. None.
Struggle against teams with a semi pulse.
Lose to any team above. 500.
They shouldn't be top 30.
Not dropping a team who lost razor thin games against top 10 teams for a 2 loss team that got man handled by a mid Michigan team when their best win is Illinois. Basically the same as beating Auburn.
Yep ... got to reward those quality losses.
More like punish worse losses.... or we could pretend all losses are equal
Wins matter or they don't. Missouri has no good, or even reasonably decent wins. They shouldn't need to be dropped because they never should have been ranked as high as they were. Regardless of their abysmal record, they aren't good.
And struggling to beat beat Auburn is not the same as handling Illinois. Of course, part of that is subjective, so let's focus on wins matter and defeating teams with winning records is better than not beating them. Wins also matter more, or should, than subjectively mediocre losses.
Of course wins matter. Losses matter too. Your entire resume matters.
And close losses to 2 top 10 teams with a marquee win over Auburn is a more impressive resume than 2 losses against Michigan and OSU where you got man handled and Illinois is your marquee win
The gap between a win over 5-3 Illinois vs a win over 4-4 Auburn is no where near enough to close the gap of the pathetic performances vs Michigan and OSU
Apparently, Louie Vaccher watched UW in all but one game. (UW 25th, Michigan unranked.)
Washington hasn’t looked great this season. Not sure why people are complaining that we aren’t getting votes, although I agree that many voters probably don’t watch our games.
Correct. They haven’t looked great. They have however looked like a top 25 team, undoubtedly
Koki Riley must still think we’re in the American conference lol.
Dude needs to have his vote pulled. He’s totally off the mark.
Right lmao. What is bro watching?
SEC propaganda?
I’m just sitting here looking at Illinois directly ahead of us after getting blasted by Washington for their 3rd blowout loss of the season and wondering what the logic is.
Shaun Goodwin moved Bama to 2 and dropped Ohio State to 4.
Dude was really impressed with that South Carolina win.
He kept Indiana, Bama, and A&M in the same order.
He just moved OSU down from 1 to 4 for....having a bye week I guess.
Hey, that's the Pre-Season 13 South Carolina to you bucko
Was that just this week? Or was he more impressed by the 4 game stretch that started with Georgia
If he had put Alabama over Ohio State last week I dont think I would have objected, but moving them around this week just feels weird to me.
I agree that's what I was asking. If the change happened this week. Because that makes no sense lol
Georgia Tech at #14 is certainly a choice by Michael Lev- right behind two one-loss ACC teams Louisville and Miami.
Notre Dame, who Miami beat, is at #7...
GT at 14 makes sense in a certain context. GT was awarded the win against Wake Forest after a fluke missed penalty (yes, many games are affected by poor referring, but it is rare that a single identifiable call inarguably flips the game outcome).
If you think of GT as a 1-loss ACC team, it would have to be the third between itself, Louisville, and Miami, because would have the worst loss. Had the win been awarded to WF, I think 13-15 is probably exactly where GT would be sitting. That's probably where Lev's head is. The ND ranking is inexplicable though.
So tired of this narrative. That one call was awful. No one debates it. That one call didn't make Wake give up a 17 point 2nd half lead. It doesn't account for the fumble not being called properly in the first half. And ignoring all of that, treating Tech like a "1 Loss" team just straight up ignores reality, which is that Tech isn't a 1 loss team. So no, there really isn't a world where it makes sense in any context.
Multiple things can be true simultaneously. Wake blew a 17-point lead, there were other bad calls, and the missed offsides call is still inarguably a but-for cause of the loss. They're all true.
Yeah, but the AP Poll isn't an objective win-loss ranking. The whole point of the AP Poll is that it is subjective and individual voters can choose to assign weight to whatever factors they chose. So a voter could definitely have a subjective thought process in which they reason that absent a specific fluke, GT's resume would not look better than Miami's or Louisville's, and rank accordingly. I'm not saying it is optimal way to handle one's rankings, but it also isn't utterly nonsensical.
Incorrectly overturning the fumble into an incomplete pass led to 3 points for WF. which would have made the consequence of the missed offside different. Or any of the missed holds. This is why it is not a single identifiable call inarguably flipping the game outcome. Simply being in that situation depends on all the missed calls leading up to it. That other narrative is meant to weaken how strong the ACC appears.
Here’s the chart for how this week’s voters correlate to predictive and resume metrics.
So Stephen Means is just making shit up as he goes?
He’s the worst. Seriously.
He ranked 5 AAC teams. 6 G5 teams. Ridiculous.
Alex Taylor is cooking
Fuck you too Greg Madia and Stephen Means
Dylan Sinn is the one that has us at 24, not Madia
The guy that has Miami at #4 doesn’t have Louisville unusually high… only at #15, one spot higher than their aggregate ranking.
So that’s interesting
I don’t think it make sense to have us above A&M - but it makes even less sense to have us behind Miami
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I assume it’s a logic of “Miami beat FSU who beat Alabama” even though I think that’s silly
Too many issues to even comment on at this point. The AP poll has always had its issues but this season has been unreasonably bad.
The Penn State and Georgia Tech voters are cool with me this week
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I don’t know how at this point anyone can still justify Bama at #2
No one who has played 4 true road games against P4 opponents is better than Alabama’s 3-1. (BYU is 4-0 but one of them was at East Carolina.)
They have more ranked wins than any other team in the country. Not saying they should be 2.
But let me ask - who is Indianas best win? Who is Oregons best win?
Let’s compare resumes:
Alabama - got manhandled by a dogshit FSU team
Indiana - did not get manhandled by a dogshit FSU team
It’s a tough one
Indiana didn’t go on the road to face a dogshit ACC team because they were too busy playing 3 cupcakes at home. 2-0 vs 3-1 in away games is advantage Bama in my book. Despite that fact, I still like Indiana ranked over Bama, because the Hoosiers have looks consistently good. And IU’s next two games are on the road, so they’ll have a chance to prove they won’t lose to dogshit teams on the road.
Indiana beat Old Dominion who, unlike Florida State, had a winning record and has beaten an ACC team.
(Indiana also beat Kennesaw State, who also has a winning record and barely lost to their ACC opponent.)
Ok
Big talk coming from a Texas fan 😂
FSU was clearly the better team that day but let’s not pretend great teams don’t rise from their losses. It was an early season loss on a rainy day to a team with no tape, 20 of 22 portaled starters, 2 new coordinators, no continuity, Ty’s first start - and sprinkle in defense played like shit.
But is it possible we played like shit on defense for most the reasons above? It definitely factors in.
Now bring on your inevitable “those are excuses” come back thus proving your low IQ and let’s move on.
Cool, nice to hear your reasoning for the loss. Sounds like you feel it was excusable which is great
It became acceptable. Much different.
Alabama has earned the benefit of the doubt this season. They gone on to win 7 straight. 4 of which were ranked. 2 of which were top 10.
They have changed the narrative from last season under DeBoer since that loss.
I expect us to lose again of course. Could be Oklahoma or Auburn would be my best guess.
But a massive improvement from last season and a likely trip to the playoffs.
I mean that was an impressive stretch. I think Vandy and Mizzou are a bit overrated but still impressive.
You won’t lose to Oklahoma
We’ll see. They’ll be coming off a bye and I respect venables as a defensive mind.
Blown out by ACC bottom feeder FSU
Alabama was not "blown out" by FSU
Did you watch that one? A 14 point loss for a 13.5 favorite is actually a pretty major loss
Keep telling yourself that
What a stupid fucking question. Just go look at their schedule. Their best wins are:
Compare that to Alabama's:
Certainly better but not so much better as to wipe out a loss to a bad FSU team. Fun fact: FSU is currently 1-11 in their last 12 P4 games. That 1 is 2025 Alabama.
Yes I agree Oregon is overrated trash...I mean probably 5-3 Northwestern. PSU shitting the bed really fucked them which is awesome.
Least fanatical UW flair
was the fun fact supposed to be a zinger? Haha good one.
So based on your report Indiana has one top 25 in win? And against a team you admit overrated?
Again, I’m not saying Indiana isn’t worthy of being number 2 but frankly their record isn’t sexy when you start to look at it closely.
So the comment was - why would anyone have Alabama 2. Well - clearly that voter values 4 ranked wins in a row against teams that had no losses at the time the lost. Two wins being top 10 wins.
Enjoy your non playoff season! Must be fun to watch with nothing on the line 😂
Who is Indiana's best loss?
The question was how could someone have Alabama at 2. Indiana is a good team. If someone has Alabama at 2 they clearly value 4 top 25 wins. 2 top 10 wins.
Indiana has the 42nd SOS. Alabama has 4.
So Alabama has a superior resume with a lone blemish that I believe is understandable. Had Alabama continued to lose there would be a different story.
So again, that is why, if someone had Alabama at 2, the reasons above are valid.
SOS doesn't matter. That's just the teams you played. It doesn't say anything about how you played against them.
SoR is what matters.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/fpi/_/view/resume
If you ignore reality
SOS absolutely matters. Are you kidding?
The one ignoring reality would be you, if you ignored SOS.
If you play the number 1 SOS you’re probably not going to play as well as a team that’s near the 50s (for example). Considering you play many ranked teams in such a condensed time period you’re going to have to play at a high level week in and week out against highly talented teams.
You’ll have to “be up” a lot. Play ranked teams on the road. More physical games in some cases. Play against better offenses. Better defenses.
So you’re likely not going to look amazing doing it because not many teams would.
If your SOS is weak you’re SOR might look better than a team with a harder schedule because you’re a good team playing mostly inferior opponents which in turns gives you a better appearance, less adversity, and a better SOR
I don’t have a problem with us being at 3 behind A&M but you certainly shouldn’t be ahead of either team. A loss to an awful Florida State team that ages worse every week, and we do not have a game like you just did against 1-5 in conference South Carolina.
As far as your best wins argument I’ll just refer you to A&M #1 and IU #2 SOR.
Good wins but also a horrible loss and just about lost to another shit team in South Carolina.
I think the loss is forgivable now that the team has shown to learn from the loss.
It’s not like the loss isn’t even reasonable. Rainy day, Ty’s first start, hostile environment, FSU portaled in 20 of 22 starters, brought in 2 new coordinators, there was no tape, no continuity, and defense didn’t have a good day.
Let’s not pretend Mike Norvell didn’t spend all offseason prepping for that game.
Now that the tape is out there and continuity is available for teams to scout - yeah FSU is losing again.
Ralph Russo starting to get his shit together
Crushing ucla at home >>>>> beating South Carolina on the road, I guess?
And Ralph buying the “lsu is super scary at home at night” thing, apparently
South Carolina sucks, the fact they have a tough environment doesn’t keep that game from being embarrassing for Bama
From the perspective of a fan who’s never SEEN four ranked opponents, much less all in a row, I can see your point
We were literally in a division for a decade with Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and Michigan State. Multiple times having one of the hardest schedules in the country. Don’t be a condescending ass.
What does that have to do with barely escaping a terrible SCAR team?
Well, think about how tired a team would be after beating a ranked team. Then quadruple that fatigue. Then play another game on the road.
Good point, I’ve always said fatigue was based off an arbitrary number voted on by a bunch of journalists.
Those boys sure looked gassed week 1, what’s the excuse there?
Shoulda scheduled old dominion at home, no question. Oh wait, they were already booked.
You can stop man. You tried to argue fatigue is decided by the AP voters. Reevaluate and we can try this again tomorrow
Do you extend that same "fatigue" excuse to other teams?
All the other teams that play four straight games against ranked opponents, yes.
So no then? That SEC rankings circle jerk is doing a lot of work here.
I honestly thought that response was satire. Playing the team journalists decide is 25th is like an Ironman. But that 26th ranked team is like a walk in the park
Kirk Bhols. Wise man.
Almost every voter's top five is various shades of red logos
That New Orleans site Koki Riley works for needs to fire him, holy moly
1-5 is pretty steady then 6-12 is a jumbled mess.
I swear Koki is at the bottom almost every week
How do people have notre dame at 7? I don’t understand
If you’re ranking A&M really high you have to rank ND fairly high. A&M is going to be highly ranked for everyone because 8-0. There you have it.
They have looked good as fuck
I have them at 5 🤷 there's not really a great team to compare their schedule to. Their two losses are by a combined 4 points to A&M and Miami.
So funny to see the Notre Dame fan girls ranking BYU deliberately low and Notre Dame unusually high to try to manipulate the results.
Crazy how the only guy who knows ball is a Texas fan smh
Kirk Bohls, ball knower
Man we were really left off of ballots at 7-1 after a top 25 road win. Absolute insanity.
Alex Taylor can't be a real Wyoming fan if he has us at #5.
Those guys are professional BYU haters
The GT hate needs to stop
It's crazy how one person has ohio state not in the top 3, and three have TA&M not in the top 3, but everyone is united in the opinion that indiana is top 3
Kate Rogerson and Pete Yanity are absolute fucking morons. Alex Taylor is the goat
Imma send Pat Welter a gift basket
Ooh we've reached the top 5 with some brave/crazy folks
How is the affiliation determined?
I’m not sure whether to thank the NC State guy or insult him
We're still getting 11 points, and that's from one ranking of 20th and one of 21st. I didn't expect to be receiving any votes, but if we're gonna I wonder why the weird gap of nothing between 22-25.