You’re joking but I would watch the fuck out of that. My wife and I love reality tv especially love island since it’s such a dumb simple format but we also LOVED the queer season of are you the one where everyone is bisexual or pan and I feel like these shows are really missing out on the chaos that is having EVERYONE be fair game as a partner.
I feel like it wouldn't work because instead of making catty drama (at least, catty drama about who's dating who) they'd all just form a messy polycule. Then again, I don't really watch reality tv. I would live to see headlines like this though:
On the one hand this comments definition of "wouldn't work" is probably close to the producer/studio execs definition, but on the other I feel like a messy polycule would be the ideal outcome of one of these dating drama shows.
I was about to say half of the polyamorous couples I know are complete train wrecks the other half have their shit together so well they are the go to for advice. I have not met a single poly couple in between.
(image of the periodic table with hydrogen & helium circled and labeled with "genders" while everything outside the circles are labeled "mental illness")
They did this on MTV's Are You the One? and it ended up being unbelievably messy (in a good way). Pretty sure a mini-orgy happened at one point with like half of the cast lol
The gay season of Are You the One was so good and so chaotic. I was a huge fan of the insanely toxic couple who weren't even each others match. Also, one of those toxic people also participated in the orgy lmao
If I understand correctly, part of the show is that the contestants of one gender go to a sort of a dorm while they are not dating. The idea being that you get separated from your interest and together with your potential "competitors".
It's harder to do this when things are not binary.
I didn't, and won't read the original article, but my guess is that this is the logistical problem they're talking about. Only bissexual contestants will not help with this issue.
There are better formats for a more diverse set of relationships.
I think you are describing Love is Blind. Contestants hang out with their own gender in the dorms and then meet in the middle to talk with the others blindly.
This one is Love Island where they all live together and couple up to sleep in the same bed. If you aren’t coupled up, you get kicked off and new love interests come in.
I believe by "split by gender" they mean "split by gender of sexual attraction," not "split by gender of competitor."
It's not impossible, but it is logistically difficult.
T wouldn't be that difficult, because that's just gender, not sexual preference.
L and G would be difficult in that you would have to split it into groups with only one L or G member each. For example, you could have "Straight Guy 1/Straight Guy 2/Straight Guy 3/Lesbian 1" but not ""Straight Guy 1/Straight Guy 2/Lesbian 1/Lesbian 2." Same, mutatis mutandis, with gay guys.
B would be even harder. You couldn't put Bi Gal 1 with Straight Guy 1, or with Bi Guy 1, or with Bi Gal 2, or with Lesbian 1 (the same mutatis mutandis for bi guys). I guess if a contestant was "bi" in the sense of "attracted to men and to women, but not to non-binary," you could put them together with someone who is non-binary who is only attracted to other non-binary folks, but not men or women.
And things get even more complicated if the idea is to prevent people from coupling up on their non-filming days and also to keep them from spending time with people they're sexually attracted to, because if non-mutual attraction comes into play, that would also prevent the grouping of straight men with lesbians and the grouping of straight women with gay guys.
But even if that more complicated wrinkle isn't taken into consideration, and the goal is just to prevent mutual relationships blossoming on non-filming days, you'd still have the issue of having to break them into a bunch of little groups instead of just two big groups.
Is it impossible? Maybe not. But it's definitely more difficult from a logistical standpoint.
Edit: Minor edit to the bi case because if it's only about mutual attraction, you could put a bi person together with a straight person of the same gender or a gay person of the opposite gender.
So the logistical challenge is that 2 people could be left in a situation where they're forced to group up or get kicked out but it goes against their sexuality. Like two dudes hook up and that forces two women who aren't lesbians to be kicked off the show. A rule change could come through that only straight hookups are allowed to improve the fairness of the game but that would go over terribly as it would be seen as anti-gay.
Yeah I can see how they come to the conclusion that LGBT creates logistical difficulties given the ruleset of the game.
I'm not sure how that's all that different than when a man and woman who aren't into each other couple as friends, which happens all the time on the show. Or when someone decides there's no one they are into in the villa and voluntarily taps out, also a fairly regular occurrence.
'The only people available aren't attracted to each other' is a standard scenario on the show and what drives a lot of the drama, as they then have incentive to try steal someone out of an existing couple.
That or just make everyone bi. 'Are You The One' did it for a season and it was fantastic television.
Yeah, as a fan of trashy queer reality shows (The Ultimatum, my beloved), some shows translate and some simply don't. A bi/gay/lesbian Bachelor (or similar 1 v Many format) could be fun, but you do run the risk of contestants hooking up and undercutting the format. A queer Love is Blind would be difficult, because you have to keep contestants completely isolated in the early episodes, which would be less interesting to watch. While there are some shows that I would love to see them try (Too Hot To Handle, I'm begging you, please do a queer season), it's not reasonable to expect from every show.
I would be so on board with Asexual Island as a premise for a show. Just a bunch of people with zero chemistry, or at least zero ability to recognise and respond to chemistry, just doing hobbies together. The drama would be so non-existent it would become noteworthy. "Jen was wearing a bikini today even though she didn't go swimming. She put on sunscreen though. She said she has a vitamin D deficiency. My cousin had the same thing and had to get lots of sun too". How did you feel about her wearing a bikini? "Oh, fine. She had sunscreen."
You know not all aces are aro, right? Just because the contestants wouldn’t be operating based off of sexual attraction doesn’t mean there wouldn’t be chemistry, or that they aren’t able to recognize chemistry.
A Bachelor style show would never work if the contestants were sexually attracted to each other. The contestants spend a lot of time together, usually complaining about not seeing the Bachelor enough. If they were interested in each other they would fall for each other way more than the actual bachelor.
A Bachelor-style show, but the Bachelor isn’t actually real and the whole point is to see how long it takes for the contestants to either couple up or fall out
There's definitely a gay version of the Bachelor around, I remember seeing trailers for it. After some Googling it seems to be titled "Prince Charming". Looks like Germany made a few Lesbian seasons too.
My wife watches these shows, I don't, so I may be confusing things. But aren't same-sex contestants interacting with each other on the "dorm" when they're not dating? In a lot of shows this is an important part of the dynamic.
From the small amount I've watched the bathrooms are separated by gender, so they interact there a decent amount. That dynamic would definitely shift if all the contestants were the same gender or bi, but I don't think it would make a massive difference in the overall show.
They could also separate the season by tops and bottoms vs gender lol
They could also separate the season by tops and bottoms vs gender
The whiplash they'll get from it is ridiculously insane and at the end of the day top and bottom is just pretend labels for sex. it doesn't hold any real recognition in society so they can't do it and many people are verse and just cuz one chose a position doesn't mean they can switch to another
That's a large oremise of these types of shows though. Get a group of young men and women together. Seperate the genders and throw in a ton of free cheap alchohol and watch the drama unfold.
I watched half the last season with my wife while using my laptop on the coach. Some of the drama was fun at first, but one contestant was so toxic it gave me ptsd flashbacks to dating my toxic narcissist ex. Had a nightmare that I was dating her again and something was wrong. Hadn't thought of her in a decade.
I told my wife, then checked out to the game room for the rest of the season. Don't recommend it.
There was a show that did that, I believe it was on MTV? I’m blanking on the name but it was one of those shows where psychologists find someone’s perfect match and the premise is date everyone until you find yours. There was some pod pairs went into under certain circumstances and it would confirm or deny if you were each others match. If everyone found theirs the prize was split between contestants. It was your standard straight dating show except one season everyone was bi or pan so the options doubled. It was just as messy as it seems like it would be.
I didn't like that season only because my tradition for that show was to make a giant chart of who could be paired with who and try to independently identify the perfect matches before the contestants got there, and it was too complicated with twice as many possibilities
My immediate thought was also "good news! Not only can I solve that logistical problem, I can solve your current one, too! Hell, I can make the show twice as exciting because youll have no idea who's gonna swing which way until voting comes around!"
Playing devils advocate here: i saw a little bit from the show, and some of their foreign spinoffs. They’re not wrong. One time they had 2 bi women, and they ended up dating each other for a little bit.
It ended up being “logistically difficult” because since most of the couples are straight, their previous partners who aren’t bi end up being on their own and just waiting for more contestants to come in.
Since all the games are based on the “couple” dynamic, theyre also just kind of left out until more people come in
There's that skit video somewhere where they do a gay bachelor and all of the potential guys are flirting with each other and ignoring the bachelor. Like, yeah I can see that happening. I get why we can't do a gay bachelor. We need different rules if we are going to do LGBTQ "bachelor."
I've always felt the winning strategy on these shows is to just have a good time and not fall into the trap of drama and dating. Who cares if you are single or not if you are having all your expenses paid to hang out at a beach resort with fun activities and a bunch of fun people? Just like... Do that?
Yeah, for sure. A bunch of actually normal real people would not be interesting. Chit chat. Some joint activities, maybe they'd get together or not but few arguments.
I saw a video a while back and you're not singing on for Love Island if you care about yourself in a dignity way. You essentially sign over all rights to your likeness, including specifying the fact they can edit you into a villain if they so choose. You will have cameras in the bathrooms, bedrooms, and be required to be micd up nearly 24/7
The people going on are either existing or wanna be influencers, because nobody who reads the fine print is going to agree to those terms
This very relevant Mitchell and Webb sketch showcases exactly why reality shows don't put normal people on. How long would a show with ordinary people being mildly competent and polite last, do you think?
Contestants on these shows are coached on how to act, and most of the drama is scripted anyway. Plus some of the contestants are presumably hired actors who's job is to keep things from getting stale.
A chaotic drama queen would probably be more trouble than they're worth. A stable individual who'll play along with what the showrunners want is probably preferable.
I’d guess that these contestants normally act in such outlandish ways in real life. They make it look so natural to them. I don’t think I could act like they do even if I tried.
I think you’re overestimating how much agency these contestants have, the producers will force events and storylines to happen if it’s getting boring. A lot of the times on these shows people will just bring up emotionally charged stuff randomly, and most of the time it’s because a producer told them to
I think a lot of people on this show are looking to win, and unfortunately you can’t win by JUST having a good time and chilling (which is what I’d want to do). If you stay as a fly on the wall and don’t actively pursue someone(s), you’re odds of being kicked off the island are high since nobody is in a “couple” with you. You become vulnerable and can either get voted off the island (by fellow islanders or viewers), or you get dumped. So, like you’re saying, a lot of people do love the idea of a fully-expenses paid vacation, but if you like it…you gotta work to stay there. Pretty weird dynamic to force connections imo, but it’s somewhat entertaining so I can’t complain.
It doesn't make for the type of "reality" entertainment that they are going for. Take Love is Blind for example. They have a version of the show that isn't straight. It does provide logistical difficulties, and it's kind of weird to say that in a positive way isn't it?
the winning strategy on these shows is to just have a good time and not fall into the trap of drama and dating.
Then you get eliminated by the producers early on and completely eliminated in the edit. Drama-free contestants appear in the background of the first few episodes and then never again.
Normally there are rules to avoid that. If you do not engage in the drama and dating, the producers said that you are not "being open to love" and against the purpose of the retirement and get expelled and/or switch for new surprise contestants.
That in the rare case the very strict selection fails to get all the participants to be shallow, emotionally inestable, promiscuous and/or magnet drama.
Everything is carefully prepared and staged to make emotional drama bombs for our entertainment.
Other people have covered parts of it, but really it's a combination:
It's not just that they pick idiots who will create drama - it's partly also that even those idiots know that they've been picked to create drama and they're mostly trying to kick off their careers as D-list celebs. In addition to whatever the "game" is, they're all also competing to be the loudest most interesting person on camera.
Then you've got the producer managing the show. Whenever somebody is being a bit too chill, the producer can either set things up to create drama for them, or just literally pull somebody aside off screen and suggest something.
And then you've got editing. What you see may be quite different from what happened.
So if you were selected, and if you decided "screw this, free vacation", and if the producer didn't bother having a talk with you, it would only be because some other group was being such hot messes that the producer didn't care about putting you on screen at all anyway (unless maybe they wanted a shot of you looking at the main characters with disgust). And the hot messes would be "winning" the real game, in that they might feature in sequels or paid appearances for fans. Bottom line, it's show business: they're putting on a show.
I've always felt the winning strategy on these shows is to just have a good time and not fall into the trap of drama and dating.
Dating shows without drama and dating sounds like the worst idea ever. No way that would ever get renewed for a second season.
It's a game show based on dating drama. If it doesn't come about organically, the producers will insert it themselves. It has to be there, just like a disney princess movie has to have a princess or an action movie has to have action. It's the central pillar.
Yea id love to see a gay bachelor but 100% chance the guys fall in love and hook up with each other in the house because they spend more time together and the bachelor leaves a bachelor with like three couples forming. Still sounds like a great show but logistically difficult.
Same for love is blind. Would there be two groups of guys having blind pods with each other? But then they like a guy in their dorm more than the blind pod guys haha. Logistically difficult.
They did have a gay (and lesbian, respectively) version of the bachelor in germany. By season 3 the dudes just partied and made out with each other in the villa. They stopped producing the gay version after that season i believe lol
Same with love is blind. How would you do a gay version of that? How would the group house work? They can’t have the platonic group conversations with the intimate blind room conversations because people living in the house would more readily date someone they can talk to an unlimited amount and see in person. It kindof negates the whole concept of the game
I'm not a huge reality tv dating show type person but this is why my ideal version of these types of shows would just have everyone be bi/pan (which I think did happen for a season of one of these shows but I didn't watch and don't remember which).
Would cause so much fun and chaos since you really never know who would wind up with who. Fuck it even with stuff like the bachelor I think it could be hilarious.
Yea I agree with this. I enjoy when they split the seasons like the ultimatum on Netflix. I feel like the contestants can be themselves as well. I’m straight, but it seems they all relax and connect better in the LGBQT+ seasons. I actually prefer their seasons because they also seem more raw and genuine. Why not have a spin off?
I think that's one of the things that the creators were alluding to. It'd be too hard to balance if they're bringing in a man or a woman next and they couldn't really plan ahead very well.
I don’t understand the confusion, really. Isn’t the premise of these shows to have a group A and a group B who are attracted to one another, with the ultimate point being they match among themselves?
Of course introducing other groups, including ones who aren’t attracted to the group(s) attracted to them, introduces logistical challenges. That’s not to say they’re impossible to overcome, but it would be an entirely different show from the straightforward “group A and group B find their matches” format.
I get adopting the funny language about "being logistically difficult" for the memes. But anyone genuinely upset or confused by the statement needs to get a grip.
I feel like a lot of people here haven't actually watched Love Island.
As a bisexual, and a former avid Love Island viewer, the makers are correct. The format of Love Island is entirely based on hetero relationships, the premise and "game" of the show falls apart if it gets queer.
Basically, there are two "teams", the boys and the girls. Every couple of days one of the boys and one of the girls pair up into a couple. However, they make the numbers uneven so there's more of one than the other at any time. Then when the coupling comes, whichever sex has less are the choosers. Going up one-by-one and picking one of the other group to be in a couple with. The one (or two) left without a partner are out of the show. Then they add in some new people, rinse and repeat.
That is the format of the show and what makes it Love Island. Every aspect of the show, every minigame, every twist, is fundamentally based on the concept of having two groups, and the members of each group only being sexually/romantically interested in members of the other group. If every contestant can potentially couple with any other contestant, the game kind of breaks. Every single aspect of the show is based on having two groups, but if everyone's queer there's only one group, and every part of the show breaks, because it's not designed for that. The changes you'd need to make to accommodate it, just turns it into a different show and it isn't Love Island anymore.
There's been discussions about how to make it gayer on r/loveisland, the only thing I could think of is making the groups a tops v bottoms scenario rather than boys v girls. It keeps the two group format, and keeps anyone from being interested in members of their own group. No top is gonna wanna get with another top.
So, yes, for Love Island specifically (not other dating shows) it does become logistically difficult if it isn't straight as an arrow.
The show has actually encountered “difficulties” once or twice because a girl picked another girl when she was “supposed” to pick a guy. For the most part it seems like Love Island anticipates/plans/choreographs (whatever you wanna call it) decisions, and this has a cascading effect since they bring on new contestants to purposefully make suspense if say the number of guys outweighs the number of girls and now the girls all pick their men and the “loser” goes home (sometimes). When this girl picked another girl, it was pretty clear, at least to me, Love Island was scrambling to figure out a new game, rearranging bombshells, and doing damage control to try and even things out again. Love Island is controlled chaos, huge emphasis on controlled, and because of how quickly it’s edited and aired, I think they’re protecting themselves by sticking to a show they know “works” and they can somewhat control the narrative on. By opening up the pool of contestants and giving them more fluidity, there’s a lot they can’t control or predict! At least that’s my thought. But I don’t agree with it for the record people!
I think that's actually what makes it difficult. We bis and pans could throw off the gender ratio for everyone who has a solitary preference depending on who we fall for in the show.
It’s not that queer people can’t be the subject matter for a dating show. It’s that they don’t really fit with a lot pre-existing shows’ setups. So basically new shows need to be developed with them in mind
Depends entirely on the format. A bi season - or all gay/all lesbian season - creates the possibility of love shapes straight couples can barely imagine, but some shows have the "two teams" structure baked into the format to deeply to accommodate queer relationships.
Well the whole show is based on male/female relationship dynamics, it obviously doesn't work if you have people who are same sex attracted on a logistical level.
By logistic difficulty they don't mean the vibe of the show, they mean how it's actually run. The whole point is to pair everyone off and that only works if there's the same number of people in each group (the groups being men and women). Say you have two gay guys, they now only have one possible match and now they are going to be two women left over when the straight men pair off. You'd pretty much need to have an entirely separate show for straights, gay/bi men, and gay/bi women. And that's not even getting into nonbinary identities.
Why not a pure gay Love Island with only the most promiscuous making it to the island. That would make for some drama beyond what the producers are capable of conceiving.
There wouldn’t even be that much drama. They’d fuck each other once and then conveniently be unavailable if someone asks to do it again. Source: everyone on Grindr
It’d probably be more like a gay cruise, where everyone is fucking everyone else all the time. Also, any POCs would likely get voted off early on. I find gay cruises to be very inclusive, but other gay places, like fire island, not so much.
I mean... yeah? They can't just throw on a couple gays and have it be the same dynamic as a dozen straight people. What're they supposed to do, have a gay love triangle on the side of a straight dating show? Lol. They would need an equal amount of lgbt+ people to make any sense which would alienate a certain audience and be a logistical nightmare.
Saying this as a logistical difficulty myself btw.
I was gonna say, if you brought in a gay man for example, you’ve basically just created this weird side situation going on; the whole point of Love Island is that the contestants can sort of bounce around between partners, with drama ensuing in the process.
This doesn’t really work with a gay person, because they would have a much smaller dating pool, and the theatrics and drama of said pool wouldn’t really crossover with the straight characters; like, none of the straight characters, male or female, would have any reason to have drama with the gay characters, because they wouldn’t be interfering with their relationships, they’d be very separate. From a viewing experience, the entire show would be compartmentalised between the sexuality of the characters, because the drama would be separated by the sexuality of the characters.
They would have to make an entirely seperate gay or lesbian island or something so that way the shows dynamic is maintained, which to be fair in some countries they have had more than one villa before so it could work. Or you could make a purely Bi/Pan island which would theoretically cause the most chaos because then everyone is messing with each others relationships.
The format only works if there is a potential partner for everyone. Imagine the show with all straights except one gay participant: who would the gay participant date?
Okay, let's add another gay participant so they can date each other! Now they can only date each other, and there are two straight people on the opposite side who don't have a potential partner.
There are only three versions of the show that make sense:
Everyone is straight
Everyone is gay (and the same gender)
Everyone is bi/pan
I think the best solution is to do gay/bi seasons mixed with straight seasons, or split the show into two or three franchises.
I think this more or less boils down to how these shows and in a sense how romance storytelling works. There’s undeniable something narratively “neat “ about straight gender dynamics . The other gender is your dating pool and the same gender is your competitors. Gay relationships instead have a singular pool of love interests and rivals as well as a whole group that doesent factor in at all beyond playing a potential platonic buddy role. There are plenty of unique stories you can tell with this dynamic but when you try to slot it into a narrative format that was originally designed with straight dynamics in mind you basically just end up making two parallel shows in a trench coat
Plot twist, two people introduce their friends but insist they would make a cute couple “BECAUSE THEY ARE GAY” and the cringe alone would be worth watching.
This reminds me of drama involving the Australian version of ‘Temptation Island’- a man and woman who were close friends pretended to be a couple- then went ahead and just boned everyone. Network threw a fit that the ‘integrity of the show had been undermined’- I think it’s funny- you put on a reality show where you try to get people to cheat
Honestly, the drama of a bi or pan person who experiences attraction differently between the sexual aspect of themselves & the romantic (like, bisexual but hetero-romantic for instance) not being thrown in the mix is a missed opportunity!!
Like, oh yeah they could sleep with everyone there BUT COULD ONLY EVER LOVE SOME OF THEM seems like the trash people crave to watch.
Is it just me waiting to see more of these bros have their bi-awakening & some of the gals get something better suited for them than, well, the kinds of predictable partners they find on shows like this??
Anyone?
Haven't even touched on a contestant that falls somewhere on the ace spectrum either...
I have never watched the show Live Island but the gay Japanese show The Boyfriend was better because all the contestants were gay or bi. Instead of watching people try to compete fir one person, you instead got to watch a group of people try to figure out who is into whom. Much better drama.
"If everyone isn't straight, the contestants may fuck reach other and not the bachelor " is what the homophobes mean but that would make their crappy show better not worse
It’s Love Island, not The Bachelor. I think it’s how they set up the eliminations. Each week it rotates through the boys pick one of the girls to match with and someone is eliminated. The next week the girls pick a boy to match with, and so on. If people are going to date same gender, they’d have to change how they set up the eliminations and challenges. Doesn’t seem insurmountable, though
Give me a show where every episode is just the dramatic after effects the of orgy from the night before.
Just give me a polycule drama show. Just force make a polycule from contestants and see how long they can all last. Force em to vote out a polycule member.
I don't see how that's homophobic, it would destroy the way the show works. There are tons of shows where that wouldn't be an issue, and they often have LGBT contestants. If that's the show you want to see, there are endless options for you.
I would like to join as an AroAce. I would be perfect. When the romance is getting messy, cut to me and my fifth slice of garlic bread. Perfect out every time.
Of all the issues we are facing, not having representation in shitty reality TV dating shows is not even on the list. It doesn't even make the runner up list or the honorable mention list.
Aren’t they making the show in other countries usually countries with not great LGBTQ laws? That’s probably the logistical problem they’re talking about then
I’m not saying that being gay is wrong or bad or whatever. Of course it isn’t.
But in the context of love island, it can obviously mess with the “game” a bit. It does pose some “logistical difficulties” in the context of love island.
Well, yeah. Given the majority of people are straight or at most bi-curious, and they're now on a show where you pair up, a gay person is going to be difficult.
And it's not even just that you worry about a man/man or woman/woman pairing, it's like... Do you bring another fully gay person in? What are you gonna do now, though? You now have 2 gay people on the show, guess they only have 1 choice!
Anyone who has watched the show knows that the final couple has been picked by week 4.
In the first season UK the show started making up new rules because it got so boring, and of the final 4 only 1 couple actually liked each other.
For those who don’t know at the end of each week there are like 8 couples. Then 2 guys or 2 girls enter the villa. Over the next week the 2 single people have to convince an existing couple to break up and couple with them. At the end of the week the 2 people not in a couple get kicked out of the villa. (Note that these “rules” are subject to change based on what the show runners think will be most dramatic.)
This of course gets messed up when 2 women couple up with each other, which forces 4 guys to get kicked out in a single week. (The 2 new guys and the 2 guys who were coupled up with the 2 women previously.) Also when this does happen the “lesbian” couple basically always breaks up within 2 weeks. To my knowledge 2 male contestants have never coupled up.
I mean, they’re not wrong? They’d need to do a full bi-version, or a fully gay version, maybe with both men and women but yeah, they couldn’t just have one gay couple on the show because they’d be forced to either be with the one other person or leave.
Gay guys are just gonna all bang eachother the whole show. I lived with a gay roommate and he would bang 3-4 diff dudes a day and got kicked out of an prgy group he created. The sexual practices of heteronormativity that the show hinges upon “finding one person” are a logistical nightmare in a community that is waaaay more open about who and when sexual partners arise and the perceived importance of monogamy without the construct of puritanical values.
If Dannii Minogue can figure out how to host messy and entertaining queer dating shows, surely any other producer can do the same. "Logistically difficult" sounds like a cop-out from producers who either lack creativity or else just feel uncomfortable acknowledging queer people exist.
Fuck it. New spinoff called "love bi-land." To compete, you must be bi.
You’re joking but I would watch the fuck out of that. My wife and I love reality tv especially love island since it’s such a dumb simple format but we also LOVED the queer season of are you the one where everyone is bisexual or pan and I feel like these shows are really missing out on the chaos that is having EVERYONE be fair game as a partner.
I feel like it wouldn't work because instead of making catty drama (at least, catty drama about who's dating who) they'd all just form a messy polycule. Then again, I don't really watch reality tv. I would live to see headlines like this though:
https://preview.redd.it/y4ytj0swn86g1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=60ee6d998456cb3148aab4a3d42c7944f439abb6
Edit: Fellas, I know that there are monogamous bisexuals. I was being silly.
On the one hand this comments definition of "wouldn't work" is probably close to the producer/studio execs definition, but on the other I feel like a messy polycule would be the ideal outcome of one of these dating drama shows.
Oh, absolutely! But people don't watch for good outcomes. They watch for train wrecks.
Who said polycules can't be train wrecks? The participants are still human.
Very true, but I said "messy," not "disastrous."
The real disaster is always in the editing.
I was about to say half of the polyamorous couples I know are complete train wrecks the other half have their shit together so well they are the go to for advice. I have not met a single poly couple in between.
The ones I know are either absolute chaos that's exhausting even to hear about or a group relationship based on spreadsheets.
Just because someone’s bi doesn’t mean they’re not monogamous. There would definitely still be catty drama.
Can I pitch you a show called Game Changers, on a platform called Dropout?
Ooh, Are You the One did a bi season? My wife and I loved the lesbian season of The Ultimatum, I'll have to add that to the list 👀
There were two queer ultimatums! Did you watch both?
Didn’t they kind do that on one season of “Are you the one”?
YES AND IT WAS AMAZING. I don’t know why a REALITY show is avoiding the hot mess that is bisexual dating
They can have an all gay men spinoff and call it Pen Island.
Only have bisexual contestants
Boom problem solved
Bisexuals aren’t real, you have to pick one or the other
/s
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Me being atomised (bisexuals aren't real)
Nah, give me back those atoms, they’re also not real
After all, there are only 2 atoms, hydrogen and helium. All the rest are outliers.
I identify as Argon. Impossible to bond with and not as intense as others when excited.
How noble of you.
I'm Sodium. Pretty harmless in one context and pretty toxic in another.
(image of the periodic table with hydrogen & helium circled and labeled with "genders" while everything outside the circles are labeled "mental illness")
imagine it, Im not doing the work to make it
Phosphorus is woke nonsense.
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me being atomized(I deployed the vaporization laser)
Coughing bisexual versus nuclear erasure.
It's ok honey, you're just confused, you'll come out as straight after all this experimenting. /j
Someone told me that recently and I had a good laugh. I came out as a teen and am in my 40s... one suuuuuper long experiment.
Put yourself back together. Get super powers.
Haha Im so bi Ive evolved into a pan…
🍳
Hmm egg in a pan, I used to be one of those.
So an egg... In a pan... That might have been a fun time
Sometimes there's even a pan in an egg
They did this on MTV's Are You the One? and it ended up being unbelievably messy (in a good way). Pretty sure a mini-orgy happened at one point with like half of the cast lol
This was my favorite season of couple-based reality tv ever and I wish more shows did this
The gay season of Are You the One was so good and so chaotic. I was a huge fan of the insanely toxic couple who weren't even each others match. Also, one of those toxic people also participated in the orgy lmao
This was a legendary season of TV and I'm so sad we haven't had another one like it
The fact that they only did is once is frankly insane to me. I feel like a show with more sexual diversity would do numbers, but I guess I'm biased
When everyone in the room is interested in everyone else in the room... thats just good fun
It is the single greatest season of reality tv I've ever watched and I will never watch a dating show with a straight cast again
Yeah, I watched that (and only that) season. It was messy, also had a bunch of weirdness toward the trans and nb people, a lot of anti-poly stuff.
It was fun, but I was like "where did they find these queers?"
If I understand correctly, part of the show is that the contestants of one gender go to a sort of a dorm while they are not dating. The idea being that you get separated from your interest and together with your potential "competitors".
It's harder to do this when things are not binary.
I didn't, and won't read the original article, but my guess is that this is the logistical problem they're talking about. Only bissexual contestants will not help with this issue.
There are better formats for a more diverse set of relationships.
I think you are describing Love is Blind. Contestants hang out with their own gender in the dorms and then meet in the middle to talk with the others blindly.
This one is Love Island where they all live together and couple up to sleep in the same bed. If you aren’t coupled up, you get kicked off and new love interests come in.
on non filming days and often throughout the day as well, the Love Island cast is split by gender as well
I mean, they can still do that if they want to with LGBT members. Not really that difficult.
I believe by "split by gender" they mean "split by gender of sexual attraction," not "split by gender of competitor."
It's not impossible, but it is logistically difficult.
And things get even more complicated if the idea is to prevent people from coupling up on their non-filming days and also to keep them from spending time with people they're sexually attracted to, because if non-mutual attraction comes into play, that would also prevent the grouping of straight men with lesbians and the grouping of straight women with gay guys.
But even if that more complicated wrinkle isn't taken into consideration, and the goal is just to prevent mutual relationships blossoming on non-filming days, you'd still have the issue of having to break them into a bunch of little groups instead of just two big groups.
Is it impossible? Maybe not. But it's definitely more difficult from a logistical standpoint.
Edit: Minor edit to the bi case because if it's only about mutual attraction, you could put a bi person together with a straight person of the same gender or a gay person of the opposite gender.
We call that sorts of grouping challenges logic puzzles.
Logistically challenging seems to be the definition.
So the logistical challenge is that 2 people could be left in a situation where they're forced to group up or get kicked out but it goes against their sexuality. Like two dudes hook up and that forces two women who aren't lesbians to be kicked off the show. A rule change could come through that only straight hookups are allowed to improve the fairness of the game but that would go over terribly as it would be seen as anti-gay.
Yeah I can see how they come to the conclusion that LGBT creates logistical difficulties given the ruleset of the game.
I'm not sure how that's all that different than when a man and woman who aren't into each other couple as friends, which happens all the time on the show. Or when someone decides there's no one they are into in the villa and voluntarily taps out, also a fairly regular occurrence.
'The only people available aren't attracted to each other' is a standard scenario on the show and what drives a lot of the drama, as they then have incentive to try steal someone out of an existing couple.
That or just make everyone bi. 'Are You The One' did it for a season and it was fantastic television.
Yeah, as a fan of trashy queer reality shows (The Ultimatum, my beloved), some shows translate and some simply don't. A bi/gay/lesbian Bachelor (or similar 1 v Many format) could be fun, but you do run the risk of contestants hooking up and undercutting the format. A queer Love is Blind would be difficult, because you have to keep contestants completely isolated in the early episodes, which would be less interesting to watch. While there are some shows that I would love to see them try (Too Hot To Handle, I'm begging you, please do a queer season), it's not reasonable to expect from every show.
I would be so on board with Asexual Island as a premise for a show. Just a bunch of people with zero chemistry, or at least zero ability to recognise and respond to chemistry, just doing hobbies together. The drama would be so non-existent it would become noteworthy. "Jen was wearing a bikini today even though she didn't go swimming. She put on sunscreen though. She said she has a vitamin D deficiency. My cousin had the same thing and had to get lots of sun too". How did you feel about her wearing a bikini? "Oh, fine. She had sunscreen."
I would watch the shit out of that.
You know not all aces are aro, right? Just because the contestants wouldn’t be operating based off of sexual attraction doesn’t mean there wouldn’t be chemistry, or that they aren’t able to recognize chemistry.
A Bachelor style show would never work if the contestants were sexually attracted to each other. The contestants spend a lot of time together, usually complaining about not seeing the Bachelor enough. If they were interested in each other they would fall for each other way more than the actual bachelor.
Double shot with Tila Tequila did it, and it really did struggle with the format.
Granted Tila Tequila makes everything a clown show
A Bachelor-style show, but the Bachelor isn’t actually real and the whole point is to see how long it takes for the contestants to either couple up or fall out
There's definitely a gay version of the Bachelor around, I remember seeing trailers for it. After some Googling it seems to be titled "Prince Charming". Looks like Germany made a few Lesbian seasons too.
They did a queer Are You the One!
You could divide people into ‘houses’ or ‘teams’. Maybe even divide by preference
They could just give them individual rooms when they aren't dating. They already sleep in the same bed when they are dating.
My wife watches these shows, I don't, so I may be confusing things. But aren't same-sex contestants interacting with each other on the "dorm" when they're not dating? In a lot of shows this is an important part of the dynamic.
From the small amount I've watched the bathrooms are separated by gender, so they interact there a decent amount. That dynamic would definitely shift if all the contestants were the same gender or bi, but I don't think it would make a massive difference in the overall show.
They could also separate the season by tops and bottoms vs gender lol
Vers erasure /s
Simply add a third room
The whiplash they'll get from it is ridiculously insane and at the end of the day top and bottom is just pretend labels for sex. it doesn't hold any real recognition in society so they can't do it and many people are verse and just cuz one chose a position doesn't mean they can switch to another
And people will watch them by themselves?
The point of puting them together is drama.
Even better, put everyone in one dorm
That's a large oremise of these types of shows though. Get a group of young men and women together. Seperate the genders and throw in a ton of free cheap alchohol and watch the drama unfold.
The whole point of the show is that you also need drama between contestants of the same sex living in the single sex dorm.
If you just want one big gay orgy, fine. But that's a different show
Queer people - famously not dramatic amongst each other.
Nah,sharing rooms causes them to hate each other more. You need the drama.
(I have never seen the show, this is my assumption)
I watched half the last season with my wife while using my laptop on the coach. Some of the drama was fun at first, but one contestant was so toxic it gave me ptsd flashbacks to dating my toxic narcissist ex. Had a nightmare that I was dating her again and something was wrong. Hadn't thought of her in a decade.
I told my wife, then checked out to the game room for the rest of the season. Don't recommend it.
There was a show that did that, I believe it was on MTV? I’m blanking on the name but it was one of those shows where psychologists find someone’s perfect match and the premise is date everyone until you find yours. There was some pod pairs went into under certain circumstances and it would confirm or deny if you were each others match. If everyone found theirs the prize was split between contestants. It was your standard straight dating show except one season everyone was bi or pan so the options doubled. It was just as messy as it seems like it would be.
Another Redditor commented talking about the show Are You The One. Is that it?
Yes! Season 8
I didn't like that season only because my tradition for that show was to make a giant chart of who could be paired with who and try to independently identify the perfect matches before the contestants got there, and it was too complicated with twice as many possibilities
Make new show: "The Other Love Island"
Double the profits
Boom problem double solved
See the queer season of Are You The One for reference on how ICONIC this would be.
I have found my fellow bi.
My immediate thought was also "good news! Not only can I solve that logistical problem, I can solve your current one, too! Hell, I can make the show twice as exciting because youll have no idea who's gonna swing which way until voting comes around!"
But what if I’m straight and logistically difficult?
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Banger movie btw
What's the movie? Art looks like invader zim
It's called Invader Zim: Enter the Florpus. It's on Netflix. It's so good
I approve
That’s a different show, that’s Bridezilla
God forbid a girl have hobbies!
Playing devils advocate here: i saw a little bit from the show, and some of their foreign spinoffs. They’re not wrong. One time they had 2 bi women, and they ended up dating each other for a little bit.
It ended up being “logistically difficult” because since most of the couples are straight, their previous partners who aren’t bi end up being on their own and just waiting for more contestants to come in.
Since all the games are based on the “couple” dynamic, theyre also just kind of left out until more people come in
There's that skit video somewhere where they do a gay bachelor and all of the potential guys are flirting with each other and ignoring the bachelor. Like, yeah I can see that happening. I get why we can't do a gay bachelor. We need different rules if we are going to do LGBTQ "bachelor."
I've always felt the winning strategy on these shows is to just have a good time and not fall into the trap of drama and dating. Who cares if you are single or not if you are having all your expenses paid to hang out at a beach resort with fun activities and a bunch of fun people? Just like... Do that?
They only pick people who are likely to create drama, because it makes for “good” reality tv
Yeah, for sure. A bunch of actually normal real people would not be interesting. Chit chat. Some joint activities, maybe they'd get together or not but few arguments.
I saw a video a while back and you're not singing on for Love Island if you care about yourself in a dignity way. You essentially sign over all rights to your likeness, including specifying the fact they can edit you into a villain if they so choose. You will have cameras in the bathrooms, bedrooms, and be required to be micd up nearly 24/7
The people going on are either existing or wanna be influencers, because nobody who reads the fine print is going to agree to those terms
Thats reality tv in general, they can manipulate the narrative however they want just to make it interesting
This very relevant Mitchell and Webb sketch showcases exactly why reality shows don't put normal people on. How long would a show with ordinary people being mildly competent and polite last, do you think?
Contestants on these shows are coached on how to act, and most of the drama is scripted anyway. Plus some of the contestants are presumably hired actors who's job is to keep things from getting stale.
A chaotic drama queen would probably be more trouble than they're worth. A stable individual who'll play along with what the showrunners want is probably preferable.
I’d guess that these contestants normally act in such outlandish ways in real life. They make it look so natural to them. I don’t think I could act like they do even if I tried.
I feel like you’re only here for the zip line
Ah yes, the Love Zip-Line-Land episode.
I think you’re overestimating how much agency these contestants have, the producers will force events and storylines to happen if it’s getting boring. A lot of the times on these shows people will just bring up emotionally charged stuff randomly, and most of the time it’s because a producer told them to
I think a lot of people on this show are looking to win, and unfortunately you can’t win by JUST having a good time and chilling (which is what I’d want to do). If you stay as a fly on the wall and don’t actively pursue someone(s), you’re odds of being kicked off the island are high since nobody is in a “couple” with you. You become vulnerable and can either get voted off the island (by fellow islanders or viewers), or you get dumped. So, like you’re saying, a lot of people do love the idea of a fully-expenses paid vacation, but if you like it…you gotta work to stay there. Pretty weird dynamic to force connections imo, but it’s somewhat entertaining so I can’t complain.
It doesn't make for the type of "reality" entertainment that they are going for. Take Love is Blind for example. They have a version of the show that isn't straight. It does provide logistical difficulties, and it's kind of weird to say that in a positive way isn't it?
Then you get eliminated by the producers early on and completely eliminated in the edit. Drama-free contestants appear in the background of the first few episodes and then never again.
Normally there are rules to avoid that. If you do not engage in the drama and dating, the producers said that you are not "being open to love" and against the purpose of the retirement and get expelled and/or switch for new surprise contestants.
That in the rare case the very strict selection fails to get all the participants to be shallow, emotionally inestable, promiscuous and/or magnet drama.
Everything is carefully prepared and staged to make emotional drama bombs for our entertainment.
They get booted off for not being in a couple sometimes but otherwise that would be a solid strategy for sure
The people who go on these shows are trying to kickstart careers in reality TV, not find love or just have a fun time.
Other people have covered parts of it, but really it's a combination:
It's not just that they pick idiots who will create drama - it's partly also that even those idiots know that they've been picked to create drama and they're mostly trying to kick off their careers as D-list celebs. In addition to whatever the "game" is, they're all also competing to be the loudest most interesting person on camera.
Then you've got the producer managing the show. Whenever somebody is being a bit too chill, the producer can either set things up to create drama for them, or just literally pull somebody aside off screen and suggest something.
And then you've got editing. What you see may be quite different from what happened.
So if you were selected, and if you decided "screw this, free vacation", and if the producer didn't bother having a talk with you, it would only be because some other group was being such hot messes that the producer didn't care about putting you on screen at all anyway (unless maybe they wanted a shot of you looking at the main characters with disgust). And the hot messes would be "winning" the real game, in that they might feature in sequels or paid appearances for fans. Bottom line, it's show business: they're putting on a show.
Dating shows without drama and dating sounds like the worst idea ever. No way that would ever get renewed for a second season.
It's a game show based on dating drama. If it doesn't come about organically, the producers will insert it themselves. It has to be there, just like a disney princess movie has to have a princess or an action movie has to have action. It's the central pillar.
Yea id love to see a gay bachelor but 100% chance the guys fall in love and hook up with each other in the house because they spend more time together and the bachelor leaves a bachelor with like three couples forming. Still sounds like a great show but logistically difficult.
Same for love is blind. Would there be two groups of guys having blind pods with each other? But then they like a guy in their dorm more than the blind pod guys haha. Logistically difficult.
They did have a gay (and lesbian, respectively) version of the bachelor in germany. By season 3 the dudes just partied and made out with each other in the villa. They stopped producing the gay version after that season i believe lol
Same with love is blind. How would you do a gay version of that? How would the group house work? They can’t have the platonic group conversations with the intimate blind room conversations because people living in the house would more readily date someone they can talk to an unlimited amount and see in person. It kindof negates the whole concept of the game
I'm not a huge reality tv dating show type person but this is why my ideal version of these types of shows would just have everyone be bi/pan (which I think did happen for a season of one of these shows but I didn't watch and don't remember which).
Would cause so much fun and chaos since you really never know who would wind up with who. Fuck it even with stuff like the bachelor I think it could be hilarious.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.... don't bring a sensible argument into this chat. Ain't no time for nuance.
That’s why they just need to fill the whole island with twinks.
Nah you do half twinks, half bears, and they are all chasers.
Dilf Manor already exists. It's hosted by Stormy Daniels.
Yea I agree with this. I enjoy when they split the seasons like the ultimatum on Netflix. I feel like the contestants can be themselves as well. I’m straight, but it seems they all relax and connect better in the LGBQT+ seasons. I actually prefer their seasons because they also seem more raw and genuine. Why not have a spin off?
Yep, that's us
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Can't spell loGisticAllY difficult without gay
"Ally" is also in there
Also "staigt"
That image brought back memories of new folder scent in elementary.
They're not wrong though. In order for it to work every contestant would have to be bi.
Most bi people aren’t 50/50 on the sexes though, they tend to have a sex preference like 70/30 women/men.
I think that's one of the things that the creators were alluding to. It'd be too hard to balance if they're bringing in a man or a woman next and they couldn't really plan ahead very well.
Im 90% sure this is why logistically difficult is a flair on arethestraightsokay?
No its cuz they’re still miffed about the suez crisis
The funny boat one or the not funny colonial one
Yes
I don’t understand the confusion, really. Isn’t the premise of these shows to have a group A and a group B who are attracted to one another, with the ultimate point being they match among themselves?
Of course introducing other groups, including ones who aren’t attracted to the group(s) attracted to them, introduces logistical challenges. That’s not to say they’re impossible to overcome, but it would be an entirely different show from the straightforward “group A and group B find their matches” format.
I get adopting the funny language about "being logistically difficult" for the memes. But anyone genuinely upset or confused by the statement needs to get a grip.
Half the people here are talking about the show having single gender dorms which isn't a thing on love island at all.
People just talking for the sake of it
I feel like a lot of people here haven't actually watched Love Island.
As a bisexual, and a former avid Love Island viewer, the makers are correct. The format of Love Island is entirely based on hetero relationships, the premise and "game" of the show falls apart if it gets queer.
Basically, there are two "teams", the boys and the girls. Every couple of days one of the boys and one of the girls pair up into a couple. However, they make the numbers uneven so there's more of one than the other at any time. Then when the coupling comes, whichever sex has less are the choosers. Going up one-by-one and picking one of the other group to be in a couple with. The one (or two) left without a partner are out of the show. Then they add in some new people, rinse and repeat.
That is the format of the show and what makes it Love Island. Every aspect of the show, every minigame, every twist, is fundamentally based on the concept of having two groups, and the members of each group only being sexually/romantically interested in members of the other group. If every contestant can potentially couple with any other contestant, the game kind of breaks. Every single aspect of the show is based on having two groups, but if everyone's queer there's only one group, and every part of the show breaks, because it's not designed for that. The changes you'd need to make to accommodate it, just turns it into a different show and it isn't Love Island anymore.
There's been discussions about how to make it gayer on r/loveisland, the only thing I could think of is making the groups a tops v bottoms scenario rather than boys v girls. It keeps the two group format, and keeps anyone from being interested in members of their own group. No top is gonna wanna get with another top.
So, yes, for Love Island specifically (not other dating shows) it does become logistically difficult if it isn't straight as an arrow.
So does being bi make me logistically difficult? Seems like reality shows would love bi’s, we can love triangle with literally anyone!
The show has actually encountered “difficulties” once or twice because a girl picked another girl when she was “supposed” to pick a guy. For the most part it seems like Love Island anticipates/plans/choreographs (whatever you wanna call it) decisions, and this has a cascading effect since they bring on new contestants to purposefully make suspense if say the number of guys outweighs the number of girls and now the girls all pick their men and the “loser” goes home (sometimes). When this girl picked another girl, it was pretty clear, at least to me, Love Island was scrambling to figure out a new game, rearranging bombshells, and doing damage control to try and even things out again. Love Island is controlled chaos, huge emphasis on controlled, and because of how quickly it’s edited and aired, I think they’re protecting themselves by sticking to a show they know “works” and they can somewhat control the narrative on. By opening up the pool of contestants and giving them more fluidity, there’s a lot they can’t control or predict! At least that’s my thought. But I don’t agree with it for the record people!
I think that's actually what makes it difficult. We bis and pans could throw off the gender ratio for everyone who has a solitary preference depending on who we fall for in the show.
Just earlier this year there was a dating show in Sweden where the entire premise was that everyone was bisexual
It’s not that queer people can’t be the subject matter for a dating show. It’s that they don’t really fit with a lot pre-existing shows’ setups. So basically new shows need to be developed with them in mind
Depends entirely on the format. A bi season - or all gay/all lesbian season - creates the possibility of love shapes straight couples can barely imagine, but some shows have the "two teams" structure baked into the format to deeply to accommodate queer relationships.
The target demo is predominantly conservative I think, otherwise these shows would be a lot different.
Straight does not equal conservative you do know that right?
The target demo of Love Island is not conservative lmao.
Well the whole show is based on male/female relationship dynamics, it obviously doesn't work if you have people who are same sex attracted on a logistical level.
By logistic difficulty they don't mean the vibe of the show, they mean how it's actually run. The whole point is to pair everyone off and that only works if there's the same number of people in each group (the groups being men and women). Say you have two gay guys, they now only have one possible match and now they are going to be two women left over when the straight men pair off. You'd pretty much need to have an entirely separate show for straights, gay/bi men, and gay/bi women. And that's not even getting into nonbinary identities.
Why not a pure gay Love Island with only the most promiscuous making it to the island. That would make for some drama beyond what the producers are capable of conceiving.
There wouldn’t even be that much drama. They’d fuck each other once and then conveniently be unavailable if someone asks to do it again. Source: everyone on Grindr
It’d probably be more like a gay cruise, where everyone is fucking everyone else all the time. Also, any POCs would likely get voted off early on. I find gay cruises to be very inclusive, but other gay places, like fire island, not so much.
I mean... yeah? They can't just throw on a couple gays and have it be the same dynamic as a dozen straight people. What're they supposed to do, have a gay love triangle on the side of a straight dating show? Lol. They would need an equal amount of lgbt+ people to make any sense which would alienate a certain audience and be a logistical nightmare.
Saying this as a logistical difficulty myself btw.
I was gonna say, if you brought in a gay man for example, you’ve basically just created this weird side situation going on; the whole point of Love Island is that the contestants can sort of bounce around between partners, with drama ensuing in the process.
This doesn’t really work with a gay person, because they would have a much smaller dating pool, and the theatrics and drama of said pool wouldn’t really crossover with the straight characters; like, none of the straight characters, male or female, would have any reason to have drama with the gay characters, because they wouldn’t be interfering with their relationships, they’d be very separate. From a viewing experience, the entire show would be compartmentalised between the sexuality of the characters, because the drama would be separated by the sexuality of the characters.
They would have to make an entirely seperate gay or lesbian island or something so that way the shows dynamic is maintained, which to be fair in some countries they have had more than one villa before so it could work. Or you could make a purely Bi/Pan island which would theoretically cause the most chaos because then everyone is messing with each others relationships.
The format only works if there is a potential partner for everyone. Imagine the show with all straights except one gay participant: who would the gay participant date?
Okay, let's add another gay participant so they can date each other! Now they can only date each other, and there are two straight people on the opposite side who don't have a potential partner.
There are only three versions of the show that make sense:
I think the best solution is to do gay/bi seasons mixed with straight seasons, or split the show into two or three franchises.
LGBT = Logistical Governmental Bureaucratic Tatics
LGBT - Logistically Gonna Be Troublesome
Ok I'm adopting this label
then make a gay love island
Oh, so that is what the L stands for in LGBTQ! Logistically difficult!
This sentence is old enough to go to kindergarten https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/jun/03/love-island-makers-say-lgbt-contestants-bring-logistical-difficulties
I think this more or less boils down to how these shows and in a sense how romance storytelling works. There’s undeniable something narratively “neat “ about straight gender dynamics . The other gender is your dating pool and the same gender is your competitors. Gay relationships instead have a singular pool of love interests and rivals as well as a whole group that doesent factor in at all beyond playing a potential platonic buddy role. There are plenty of unique stories you can tell with this dynamic but when you try to slot it into a narrative format that was originally designed with straight dynamics in mind you basically just end up making two parallel shows in a trench coat
...I can kinda see the point here. But I also just want Love Island to go away.
It's truly gutter tier entertainment with zero redeeming qualities.
Plot twist, two people introduce their friends but insist they would make a cute couple “BECAUSE THEY ARE GAY” and the cringe alone would be worth watching.
This is not wrong, as anyone who's tried to get six gay men to a drag brunch knows
As a queer person, I’m fine with this personally. I’m cool not being associated with Love Island at all.
If I'm gay and work in logistics does my contribution offset my difficulty?
You’re difficult, logistically
I’m both!
They worked this out on "Are You The One?"
This reminds me of drama involving the Australian version of ‘Temptation Island’- a man and woman who were close friends pretended to be a couple- then went ahead and just boned everyone. Network threw a fit that the ‘integrity of the show had been undermined’- I think it’s funny- you put on a reality show where you try to get people to cheat
Honestly, the drama of a bi or pan person who experiences attraction differently between the sexual aspect of themselves & the romantic (like, bisexual but hetero-romantic for instance) not being thrown in the mix is a missed opportunity!!
Like, oh yeah they could sleep with everyone there BUT COULD ONLY EVER LOVE SOME OF THEM seems like the trash people crave to watch.
Is it just me waiting to see more of these bros have their bi-awakening & some of the gals get something better suited for them than, well, the kinds of predictable partners they find on shows like this??
Anyone?
Haven't even touched on a contestant that falls somewhere on the ace spectrum either...
Hot bisexuals only pls
I have never watched the show Live Island but the gay Japanese show The Boyfriend was better because all the contestants were gay or bi. Instead of watching people try to compete fir one person, you instead got to watch a group of people try to figure out who is into whom. Much better drama.
"If everyone isn't straight, the contestants may fuck reach other and not the bachelor " is what the homophobes mean but that would make their crappy show better not worse
It’s Love Island, not The Bachelor. I think it’s how they set up the eliminations. Each week it rotates through the boys pick one of the girls to match with and someone is eliminated. The next week the girls pick a boy to match with, and so on. If people are going to date same gender, they’d have to change how they set up the eliminations and challenges. Doesn’t seem insurmountable, though
One might say it would present logistical difficulties even.
If there's one thing reality TV audiences hate, it's a dramatic sex-related plot twist
Give me a show where every episode is just the dramatic after effects the of orgy from the night before.
Just give me a polycule drama show. Just force make a polycule from contestants and see how long they can all last. Force em to vote out a polycule member.
This is the sexually fluid season of are you the one and it was amazing
I don't see how that's homophobic, it would destroy the way the show works. There are tons of shows where that wouldn't be an issue, and they often have LGBT contestants. If that's the show you want to see, there are endless options for you.
I....what?
I mean....are you saying that there should be gay contenders for the bachelor? What if the bachelor isn't same sex attracted?
I think that happened on a show in Vietnam. Two of the women fell in love with each other instead and were a couple for a while.
Why not just have seasons where it’s all one demographic. a season for gay men. a season for lesbians.
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I would think that an all bisexual cast would be ultimate reality tv. Walk with me
I would like to join as an AroAce. I would be perfect. When the romance is getting messy, cut to me and my fifth slice of garlic bread. Perfect out every time.
Of all the issues we are facing, not having representation in shitty reality TV dating shows is not even on the list. It doesn't even make the runner up list or the honorable mention list.
They can't keep up if they person turns out to bi. If everyone is buy on the online than things would crazy
Aren’t they making the show in other countries usually countries with not great LGBTQ laws? That’s probably the logistical problem they’re talking about then
I could be wrong, I’ve never seen the show
mum... dad... i'm logistically difficult
I mean come on man.
I’m not saying that being gay is wrong or bad or whatever. Of course it isn’t.
But in the context of love island, it can obviously mess with the “game” a bit. It does pose some “logistical difficulties” in the context of love island.
Neurodiverse = Neurospicy
Homosexual = Homologistically difficult
I am logistically convenient but get a few tequila shots in me and there will be difficulties
The L in LGBT stands for Logisticaldifficulties.
Well, yeah. Given the majority of people are straight or at most bi-curious, and they're now on a show where you pair up, a gay person is going to be difficult.
And it's not even just that you worry about a man/man or woman/woman pairing, it's like... Do you bring another fully gay person in? What are you gonna do now, though? You now have 2 gay people on the show, guess they only have 1 choice!
I'm not sure it works in the "pair up" format.
the show “Are You The One?” had a bisexual only season and not even kidding it was the best season with most drama😭
The more variables you introduce in a system, the more complex they become.
Anyone who has watched the show knows that the final couple has been picked by week 4.
In the first season UK the show started making up new rules because it got so boring, and of the final 4 only 1 couple actually liked each other.
For those who don’t know at the end of each week there are like 8 couples. Then 2 guys or 2 girls enter the villa. Over the next week the 2 single people have to convince an existing couple to break up and couple with them. At the end of the week the 2 people not in a couple get kicked out of the villa. (Note that these “rules” are subject to change based on what the show runners think will be most dramatic.)
This of course gets messed up when 2 women couple up with each other, which forces 4 guys to get kicked out in a single week. (The 2 new guys and the 2 guys who were coupled up with the 2 women previously.) Also when this does happen the “lesbian” couple basically always breaks up within 2 weeks. To my knowledge 2 male contestants have never coupled up.
I mean, they’re not wrong? They’d need to do a full bi-version, or a fully gay version, maybe with both men and women but yeah, they couldn’t just have one gay couple on the show because they’d be forced to either be with the one other person or leave.
Source: lesbian LI watcher lol
Gay guys are just gonna all bang eachother the whole show. I lived with a gay roommate and he would bang 3-4 diff dudes a day and got kicked out of an prgy group he created. The sexual practices of heteronormativity that the show hinges upon “finding one person” are a logistical nightmare in a community that is waaaay more open about who and when sexual partners arise and the perceived importance of monogamy without the construct of puritanical values.
-The Bi Life with Courtney Act
-I Kissed a Girl with Dannii Minogue
-I Kissed a Boy with Dannii Minogue
-Are You The One? (Season 8) with Terrence J
It's really not.
I Kissed a Boy.)
I Kissed a Girl.
If Dannii Minogue can figure out how to host messy and entertaining queer dating shows, surely any other producer can do the same. "Logistically difficult" sounds like a cop-out from producers who either lack creativity or else just feel uncomfortable acknowledging queer people exist.
Great shows by the way!
Why ah you logistically difficult? You ah logistically difficult