Kind of a combination of what the title says and how malicious they are in general
Nagant should maybe be higher, but that tier seemed like the most fitting place for her
Feel free to rebut any of these claims in comments if you disagree for whatever reason
(this is a repost because the image didn't attach the first time </3)
Edit: A lot of you have pointed out there is some bias and hypocrisy in this list, and yeah you're probably right, if I spent some extra time on it I probably could've made it more objective + my criteria wasn't super clear as I was making it
The jail time tier isn't implying that anyone above it doesn't deserve jail time, just that they have little to no outside circumstances contributing to their actions (I considered adding a separate tier for the MLA but decided against it)
Multiple people have mentioned that the Nomu tier should be higher on the list, and I definitely understand that, but due to how they are, they don't really have capacity for anything but what they were made for (barring Kurogiri) which I guess means there's no room for redemption? Idk man I'm not that smart (I also just think it looks nicer with the larger tiers close together lol)
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Unless they're literally mind controlled, they're all responsible for their actions. There's no sense in making a tier list like this.
The tier list is for HOW accountable they are. Theyre not denying the accountability
It kinda is when one of the tiers is named “deserves their jail time” implying characters in some of the other tiers below dont deserve it as much
You're intentionally taking this in bad faith arent you?
MHA fans are bloodlust when it comes to villains. It's just in their nature.
It’s either bloodlust or infantilization… there’s no in between
Most of the categories are playful wording, you're just honing on that one cause you have a bone to pick with people not holding certain characters accountable
Thank you lmao, people are definitely taking this more seriously than I meant it
Not really. You can literally get a reduced sentence because of mitigating factors. Factors that include mental state, motivation, and circumstances that led you to commit your crime. Society as a whole and our laws acknowledge that there are factors that lessen the criminal's culpability in their crimes.
I don't see how that disregards what I said
I mean, take lady Nagant for example.
Someone that was groomed as a child and then forced to kill others =/= someone killing for fun.
It's not the same but both people still chose to do it, therefore they're accountable for their actions.
The only kill Lady nagant choose to willingly kill was the person making her kill all those other people. (Not counting Deku since he survived)
Plus, it's not like lady nagant could just walk away. That's like saying "Yo, why doesn't abused children just say 'stop, I do not consent'".
that's not at all the same thing, but go off bud
you are literally the definition of "mha fans can't read for shit" bud
Wow, this sentiment being so prevalent is why people like Toga or Twice became who they are. Yeah their actions are their own, but don't pretend their aren't reasons, both chosen, and thrust upon.
Gentle and AFO are clearly on different levels of malintent though.
And it’s silly not to account for extenuating factors like mental illness and grooming.
Some people are incapable of understanding nuance. Now the dude has no choice but to be obtuse and dig his heels in.
Yeah, it's baffling that only Dabi gets "We get it, he has trauma, but he still choose to be a mass murderer."
Like the rest of the league didn't also kill a bunch of people? Serial killer Toga gets a cute little sadface and how she needs more support. Aww, poor baby, people didn't want to be her sexy snacks and she couldn't take no for an answer. Come on.
If Dabi dosen't get a pass for his trauma, why does she? Nice face and a skirt or?
But the attractive villains shouldn't be judged by the same standards as the ugly ones!
(/s but sort of not really going off of what you see in this fandom)
i’d put the doctor in the same category as AFO. he didn’t execute the attacks physically but he’s just as bad as AFO just from behind the scenes.
that puppet mask guy with the food quirk in nagant’s category deserves to be in the “deserves their jail time”category lol he was a creep during amajiki’s fight and didn’t have a cause imo he just kept saying eat, eat, eat
Arguably the doctor is the most evil person in the series honestly
Well the doctor wasn't born evil at least, he went crazy after getting shunned from the scientific community and ultimately became AFO's servant. Not saying he isn't responsible for his actions whatsoever, he is 100% evil. Though AFO literally came out the womb a demon.
I mostly agree with this tier list but I still think people are too easy on Toga. I genuinely think people need to treat her a lot closer to Dabi because they have very similar situations.
I know we got to see a lot more of her being a "normal person" especially towards the end but she was also killing people without remorse for MOST of the show.
It feels like a pretty severe double standard to think that she was just victim to her circumstances while Dabi was actually a murderer (they both killed plenty of people).
Indeedy. That was why when I do my fanfic where Toga is redeemed, I will likely have her in the "forgiven, bot forgotten" category and have her captured more around the time of the Training Camp.
Because at the end, making a Toga redemption where she lives would have to happen before she stabbed the Midoriya-like boy, but a good second place wuld be a Training Camp raid gone wrong where AFO blames the Vanguards for their failure.
A Toga redemption also works in the days/weeks after she first snaps and attacks her classmate before going on the run, so long as she doesn't immediately go on a killing spree right after going on the lam.
Which is what I feel would have happened in canon- she cracked under the pressure and ran after the attack but it still probably would have been a few weeks to a month before she killed her first person.
Iirc canon also does not specify whether or not Toga's classmate actually died.
There was a witness to her attack that reported her, so she could have fled after being interrupted partway through.
Which would mean that him surviving after being partially drained of his blood is entirely plausible.
Indeed, though I would guess this happened between middle school and Training Camp. My headcanon to make her slightly more sympathetic in the likelihood she did kill before joining the League was that she isn't a full-fledged unrepentant killer and she did it to survive. It would still make her unforgivable in-universe, but it can open up a redemption that doesn't feel too forced.
Since once Toga's parents moved out, she'd have no one to try to kill with the intent to kill. Instead, she would likely be a vagabond, living out her existence as a thief of money and blood. Before Stain, she would be aimless. Before the League, she would have a purpose, but not the leverage. After the League, she finally received friends in the form of Twice.
I've seen some fics where Toga tried to resist draining/killing innocents for a while by stealing from blood banks and draining the blood from corpses at murder scenes or in the coroner's office.
Then just have her first victim be someone she thought was a corpse and started draining, only for them to wake up and struggle partly through.
They see her face, so she panics and just gives in to her Quirk-induced blood starvation-caused murderous impulses.
And afterwards, thinking of how afraid the poor bastard had been of her, she comes to the conclusion thar clearly she's a monster just like her parents always said.
So she finally accepts the invitation from Giran, who had been helping her find murdered bodies and doing stuff like giving her blueprints for coroner's offices, to join up with some villains who will provide her with as much blood as she wants.
Ah, but you forget, Toga has something Dabi doesn't.
She's a girl!
/s
There are key differences in their circumstances, though. Toga, from the outset, was basically punished for existing. She was forced to suppress her Quirk-induced compulsion for blood with no support nor compromise, every system that was supposed to help her doing nothing except basically "Drinking blood? Ew, gross. Be a normal person and don't do that." Which, given how Quirk's have been shown to influence one's behavior, is like trying to make a dog suppress their instincts all the time without any compromise, not even fetch or tug-of-war.
And then, shockingly, the middle schooler with zero support who had been repressing her urges for years finally snaps when faced with a strong enough trigger. And then, instead of treating it like a Quirk-induced violent episode, the public and police immediately mark her as a villain to be captured and incarcerated. At which point... why bother? She's a monster no matter what she does or how hard she tries, so she might as well live life the way that makes her happy. And so she dove headlong into indulging her Quirk's compulsions until it became the hedonistic obsession we see in the series.
More than that, her ending shows that how Toga turned out- and all the deaths that came from it- was completely avoidable. Just ONE person showing her unconditional acceptance, ONE person letting Toga just be Toga and have even a little bit of blood, and she could have lived a normal and happy life. She could have even become a nurse, using her Quirk to save people by becoming the ultimate universal donor. Toga is sympathetic because she never had a real choice.
Dabi, on the other hand, did. He had survived, he had escaped, he had managed to find his way back to the household. He saw what Enji was doing to Shoto, and he could have made his presence known. But instead he took what he saw as his death meaning nothing to Enji. He chose to pursue vengeance with the intent of hurting Enji as much as possible before killing him. He chose to become the murderer that he did. Even after choosing to not reunite with his family, he still could have started a new life all his own. He made the conscious choice not to. Not only choosing to pursue vengeance, but going so far as to put together long-term plans to that end. Showing that, while unstable, Dabi was still cognizant and mentally coherent. Unlike Toga, Dabi had multiple chances to make real choices and change course. But he didn't.
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Dabi almost certainly has brain damage from burning alive, def has brain damage from a three year coma, and has significant trauma, which, you guessed it, causes brain damage! He also had the perfect storm of factors in his childhood that would guide him down this path, amongst others, and was pushed in this direction by a large combo of factors, from the sociocultural ones he would have experienced as a homeless, disabled teenager on the streets to the invisible hand of AFO.
Does it absolve him of what he has done? Absolutely not. But I'd argue he has as strong a case of Tomura or Toga that he is not entirely acting out of sane mindset.
To prove insanity needs to prove the "defendant is not responsible for their actions due to a psychiatric disease at the time of the criminal act." in the US in England it is "the defendant was unable to understand what he was doing, or, that he was unable to understand that what he was doing was wrong." which is similiar to the Japanese "If the ability to recognize the right or wrong of action or the ability to act accordingly is lost due to a mental disorder".
I think you could very quickly and easily prove that Toga was full cognitive for pretty much every murder and act of terrorism she has committed. Not once do we see her act out in full psychosis (break from reality), not even in her backstory. There she just stops caring to repress herself and fully indulges in her urges. She knows the whole time it is "wrong" she just puts her own wants above the safety and care of others. She likes it so much she doesn't want to stop.
She knows right from wrong, she knows that stabbing someone will hurt and potentially kill them. She not only doesn't care, she wants to stab people for her own enjoyment and pleasure knowing full well what could happen to them. Her equating stabbing/drinking blood to "love" is not exclusive to her knowing that stabbing someone will harm them and could kill them. She knows how she expresses her "love" will harm others, but she wants to live in a society were she can do that freely and not have to deal with backlash. If anything she is very aware that what she wants to do is wrong in societies eyes but because it was "too difficult" for her to change herself (not want to drink other's blood) she wants to change society so she can be happy.
Her awareness that killing is bad is is extremely clear based on her reaction to getting harmed herself or her "friends" being harmed/killed - with the audious thoughts that heroes think Villains are sub-human because they killed Twice, while she has just killed heroes, is joining in the mass murder of civilians and goes on to kill two elderly people just to use them as tools. That disconnect is not evidence of insanity, because she understands the negatives of the act of killing and understands what she is doing when she is stabbing and killing them.
Another things with Toga is that her want to drink blood is not even an addiction thing. She doesn't need it to survive. She doesn't have withdrawals. She is not harmed by not drinking blood. Even then she could have sucked on raw meat or something so her angst boils down to her resentment of repressing parts of herself to conform. Symbolically that is interesting in relation to Japanese society's culture and values around community, obligation and co-operation. Toga is a girl who refuses to repress any part of herself for the sake of peace, order and propriety - in contrast with Ochaco who does repress her feelings for the sake of not causing a problem for others. Both are unhealthy extremes and the story sort of touches on personal choice versus societies role to care too.
Another example of Toga's awareness (and intelligence) is with the Journalist character wanted to martyr Toga as tragically insane but even Toga pushes back against that narrative - because Toga does want to assert her own agency and ownership, she is aware of what the reporter is trying to spin for the MLA's agenda.
Toga is just someone that wants to do whatever they want "I live and love how I please. That's how I made my way in life." without a care except for a few individuals she likes enough that fulfil her personal needs for companionship - and even then she'll use their money resources to buy only herself a cute coat. The message is more around the tragedy that society was so unyielding and judgemental that she was immediately rejected when the less than savory nature of quirk was apparent and this ultimately led to Toga rejecting society and wanting to destroy it, not out of insanity but out of anger, jealousy and a need for affection.
I feel Horikoshi wanted to imply some dark, twisted, tragic mentality with the dream of the bird ripping into her stomach and her being happy about it - which is used by some as evidence that she is mentally unwell and therefore builds an arguement for insanity but legally she fits as sane enough to be criminally tried for her actions. That she can say as much to Ochaco and knows she'd only face the death penalty further adds to her being cognitive enough to be held fully accountable and responsible.
So we just forgetting Dabi suffering unimaginable trauma and brain damage from literally burning himself from the inside out.
No lmao, Toga could have sought out other people with blood quirks rather than immediately jumping to burning society down because she couldn't assault people and drink their blood.
And I think you don't fucking understand the character or story.
Bro does understand a character being suppressed emotionally for years, having terrible parents, having a quirk that influences personality, having the bad quirk consoling, having barely any understanding of other people love and why she feel different from everyone else, having an craving for blood that she didn't get any help with. She tired for years to be how others wanted her to be until she literally couldn't take it anymore. And, no other commenter I saw, it's not just because she is a girl and dabi is a guy.
Dabi was still completely in his right mind for his actions. He chose not to reveal that he was alive and that he chose to dedicate himself to revenge by ruining his father reputation using murder. This is also because of his past, but there are huge differences between toga and dabi's situations.
Are we watching the show with our eyes closed? We do not EVER see Dabi acting in his right mind.
When he joins the league of villains, it is AFTER he has already started killing people which was AFTER he decided to start seeking vengence on his dad. That motivation, mind you, is a PRODUCT of him going crazy from his trauma. His seek for revenge was not him "acting in his right mind", it was a completely unhealthy and destructive obsession - not just for him but for the people around him as well (which we see at the end).
Just because he made smart decisions does NOT mean that he is acting "in his right mind".
Also, Toga is a murderer who has plenty of confirmed kills under her belt. In fact, she even justifies her killing many times including in season three during the forest training camp by saying that she loves people who are battered and bruised and that's why "in the end, I always cut them up!"
If you want to sit here and use her trauma to justify her murdering, be my guest. Just don't be surprised when people compare her to Dabi.
Here we go with people taking a specific part of the argument, taking them out of context, and completely ignoring the rest. Jesus christ. Clear fucking differences laid out plainly but nooo. And if we're taking about crimes, everyone on the list is a murderer besides the very top, so if that's your scale, then everyone should be dabi level or lower! No one is condoning any of these people actions! We are looking at the upbringing, mental health, trauma, and etc. Her whole thing is how if someone would have help or understood she be different! Clearly stated multiples and is very understandable for any person with a fraction of empathy! I don't get what you don't understand about that.
I never said Toga didn't have trauma that led to who she became later?? And I also never said that there weren't differences between her situation and Dabi's!
What I am is that the same logic for Toga applies to Dabi because when we first see him, it is long after he had gone crazy from his obsession. He is never in his right mind when we see him as a part of the league of villains! Just like Toga! They are both victims of their trauma and murderers!
Except like I said earlier, the FACT that Toga activity is influenced by her quirk to have cravings for blood. Which she tried to control but it built up until she couldn't control any. At that point now, she was on the run forever and still needed blood and still has her quirks influence. She also values personal freedom more than anything else so their is a zero percent chance it even crossed her mind to turn herself in. Dabi just kills people to show it off to endervor. Yes, because he is broken as well, but look, these seem a lot different to me.
I don't get how if this is how you feel about Toga then why not spinner, magne, compress, and twice.
I think that's a fair point! I still don't think we can allow her cravings to justify her killings but I think its a fair distinction between the two situations.
I think the reason I picked Toga is because she is the one person from the league who we see **gloating** about the people she killed (other than Dabi) as well as relishing in the moment of the kill. We don't really get that same thing from Magne, Compress or Twice.
Spinner *kinda* does when he talks about his conviction to Stain's ideology but not to the same extent that Toga does. (Also, I just personally believe that Spinner was one of the few people from the league who had the most valid reason to go along with the league's plan)
Also I don't want you to think that I think Toga is a *special monster* that is somehow worse than Dabi because that is NOT what I believe at all. I just think people are way too chill with her when they are much more willing to be hard on Dabi.
Honestly: put stain in jailtime as well: because he's just a hypocrite.
He thought heroes with bad intentions was a problem, yet he still attacked heroes with good intentions like Tenya's brother and literally crippled him.
I bet stain would try to kill Mt. lady and Mineta as well, yet those two was willing to stand ten toes against all for One (Mineta did twice btw) instead of quitting due to the backlash of heroes like Death arms did.
Mt. Lady wouldnt be hypocritical at the point of the story during the Stain arc. Thats literally her character arc that she starts out as a superficial hero only in it for the money and fame but then becomes a better hero.
Yes but killing a hero like that denies them the ability to grow. Like Iida, if he had died in that alley he wouldn’t have been able to reach out to Deku at his most vulnerable and deliver the same message that Deku gave to him as well as being able to save the Todoroki family. If Mt. Lady died early on, she wouldn’t have been able to become one of the most selfless heroes who nearly died twice trying to fight off Gigantomachia and AFO.
Honestly, I think Stain is the "Thanos did nothing wrong" of the MHA fandom. Really cool as first blush, but if you spend more than 5 mins thinking about what he's saying, it rings pretty hollow
I wouldn't say he's a hypocrite. More an extremist. He's absolutely insane and deserved to get tossed in Tartarus, his beliefs were fair but taken to an idiotic extreme. The dude wanted martyrs, not heroes but he wasn't actually hypocritical about it.
He's crazy.
But definitely not hypocritical.
He's just crazy, and thought current pro heroes do not live up to the arbitrary standards he set. This includes Ingenium, who we think is quite a good hero, but not enough for his crazy standards.
Pretty much all pro heroes don't make the cut and he was very clear about it at that point in the story.
One of his stupid standards is that he doesn't just judge them on overall heroics, but judges them at their worst. As we know, some heroes show some vanity, but acted truly heroic when it matters. He didn't see this, and chose to see them at their worst.
Yet still, not hypocritical. Because he himself upheld his insane standards, barring his killings. He did not act on selfish impulses or for fame, but purely for his crazy ideals.
I'm not falling for this propaganda. The whole league of villains need to go. Wayyyy too unhinged and dangerous
Kurogiri was pretty much literally brainwashed and physically unable to defy his master's orders. I'd give him a pass.
I think of it like a rabid dog. If he is LITERALLY unsalvageable, yeah, you gotta put him down. But if you could have helped him at any point before in his life, things would have been very different.
Feel like everyone here deserves the jail time except Aoyama lmao
me opposite
Gonna be honest, AFO should be in needed a support system too since his backstory is literally the same as Toga’s, just worse
His quirk robs him of his emotions and instills a desire to take and own, which is bad enough on it’s own. But he also had no parents, meaning he had to teach himself and Yoichi to read and speak, all the while being treated as infected because quirks were not understood yet.
Toga is apparently sympathetic because her quirk counselling wasn’t executed well and she was forced to be something she isn’t. Well AFO is in the exact same boat, except quirk counselling wasn’t even a concept when he grew up
Put him in a modern day orphanage with Uraraka’s systems in place and he does not become the villain he was.
Not only that, but imagine having to take care of yourself and your bother who are both kids while both of you are basically quirkless in a world full of villains ready to kill you and you know that at any point in time you can just take a quirk and become strong.
I guess he'd have fun doing Nagant's job for the government and living a luxurious life while collecting quirks from villains on death row/ordered to be secretly executed
In public he could pretend to be like The Praetorian from Jupiter's Legacy who just has a shit ton of super powers naturally
True, but the difference is AFO is like 200 and Toga is 17. During his life he would've eventually learned right from wrong and had enough power and influence to no longer need to do evil. He made an active choice at some point to be cruel.
Obviously, I never said he wasn’t evil
I’m just saying that if he was gotten to earlier, he might have not made that decision
I’m confused on the ordering of these tiers, how is he has trauma but he chose to be a mass murderer better than being literally wired to cause destruction? That should be like #2 or 3
the list seems to be more about redeemability/rehabilitation than how accountability they are for their actions
Yeah, Dabi's tier needs to be way lower. None of those wired for destruction engaged in that destruction consensually. They literally did not have a choice. Dabi did.
Rappa is in the same boat as Muscular. He kills for the love of the game. He respects people who are able to beat him, but he’s still trying to kill them for fun
Shigaraki still belongs in the same tier as Dabi, you can't take away the countless lives he erased from existence and destruction he caused just because he was groomed by AFO from the beginning.
Can you be sympathetic with him and realise everything he went through was truely fucked up? Yes. But to ignore all who died to his actions and basically give him a low tier pass compared to others is not it IMHO.
Ah but you see, most of those lives were nameless background characters.
Their deaths don't matter as far as the plot is concerned.
/s
Dabi is way too low, bro should be in truly fucked up
Nah no one is born evil
I didn't say he was born evil
I agree with most, but I wouldn't excuse Shigaraki's actions the way you do.
He's definitely still at least partially culpable and by all means a terrible person, but his entire life's course was chosen for him before he even existed, so when it comes to accountability, there was really no other path for him until it was far too late
The ending just proves that there was another path (the other kid exist just to prove this point).
Well yes, but Tenko never got that opportunity, because AFO didn't let him. The only reason the old lady helped that kid is cause Deku and the heroes inspired people to reach out
Then it's not because of AFO, but because of people's selfishness and overreliance on heroes. But I agree that he never got that possibility. Gotta say, though, that the meaning is that there are multiple variables, it's not all AFO.
tbh AFO would probably have just killed anyone who would have ended up helping tenko before he got to him.
This feels a bit hypocritical, if you rank all of these guys based on their "reasons" for being evil then All for One is also a victim, yeah he was willing to do basically anything he wanted to but I suspect it might have had smth to do with having to take care of himself and his little brother since they were infants while having a quirk that is completely useless unless you start taking quirks from others.
Edit: all in a time when the hero society thing wasn't as established either.
Compress is a murderer, terrorist and kidnapper and a massive moron, his motivation is that, his great great grandfather stole from the corrupt rich to care for the poor, Compress heard this decided "hmm, i should kidnap and end the liv3s of teenagers to carry his legacy."
Gentle Criminal duo is my fav villains lol
Why bother seperating Toga and Dabi when both of these person mirror eachother
Is Toga is a mass murderer? Does Dabi not benefit from a support system too
Youre trying to make Toga seem less horrible than she already is and Dabi somehow not deserving the same treatment as her
Dabi and Toga belong in the same tier, whether you move her on his or vice versa
I completely agree with this tier list, my poor toga and twice just really needed help :/
Shigaraki could fit in "genetically wired to cause destruction" tbh
I feel like genetically wired should arguably be above or below Shigaraki.
I really liked Stain and his ideology when the series was new, but there was never anything shown on screen to validate his feelings as legitimate grievances. "Iida, you're a bad hero because you want to avenge the brother I maimed!" Bro what???
His whole bit makes a lot more sense if he was more directly targeting someone like Endeavor or better yet, someone like Captain Celebrity from the vigilantes spin-off
Tomura Shigaraki was groomed, yes, but all deaths and destruction he caused is his fault and his fault alone.
Wouldn't genetically wired for destruction be somewhere between like innocent and needed a support system?
Dabi and Toga belong in the same tier, whether you move her on his or vice versa.
No. Shigaraki should be in the same boat as dabi. Stop giving him excuses
Ending not being in fucked in the head is wild
Kurogiri needs to be higher up, Shirakumo did their best in there to be accountable.
I mean, a good support system might’ve helped AFO when he was a child.
He grew up being influenced by his quirk in an environment that was extremely hostile to him and he had nobody to support him except his brother.
If things were different he might’ve been better.
Add the movie villains, they are canon after all
I'm not as familiar with those characters and their motives and such as it's been a while since I watched the movies, though I imagine they'd all go in the bottom few tiers
I'd put Dabi higher tbh. "We get it he has trauma but he still chose to be a mass murderer" but he would fit the "support system" category just as well as the others imo.
He got burned to bacon at like 14 and had an abusive dad.. if he had a support system then at least most if not all this shit wouldnt have happened😭
Shiggy and Dabi being in different categories makes no sense. Both sections apply to both.
What about the movie villains, though?
(Copied from another reply) I'm not as familiar with those characters and their motives and such as it's been a while since I watched the movies, though I imagine they'd all go in the bottom few tiers
Me almost every time a villian motivation is mentioned b99
Omg. A MHA fan with a normal sense of morality. Thank you
Put shigi down there with Dabi
"your honor the school shooter just needed a support system :( pls forgive)
Ain't no way you put Nagant below Dabi nahhhh not even gonna bother
Where's Bakugo?
Nah aoyama needs jail time bro endangered his classmate 3 times. Ragdoll was less due that mountain incident.
Okay sure, but he had literally zero choice in the matter and felt TERRIBLE about it. He was doomed by a decision his parents made for him as a child, and it was obey or die
Even so, he more than made up for it in the final war, and even dropped out by his own volition to repent further
Sure coercion defense can be a defense once. Three times? I don't think so. Bro could have just pulled all might to the side and tell him secretly. Moreover when afo was in prison but nope. Bro just continues with his life like nothing happened.