The worst thing Mr. Peanutbutter did was telling Diane not to report Hank Hippopotamus, what's the worst thing Diane did? (Link to previous post: https://www.reddit.com/r/BoJackHorseman/s/3GjgzuzHJH)
The worst thing Mr. Peanutbutter did was telling Diane not to report Hank Hippopotamus, what's the worst thing Diane did? (Link to previous post: https://www.reddit.com/r/BoJackHorseman/s/3GjgzuzHJH)
Using a girl's trauma as a 'fuck you' to bojack
The only answer
Came here for this. Idk what other examples people have, having to relive your trauma though a show that's getting accolades and everyone talking about how great and fantastic the dude who took advantage of you is, diabolical
Yes please this is the correct answer. What if Penny was watching that, what if Charlotte was watching that with her husband. All she cared about was hurting Bojack and she was not thinking of the victims.
Why would Penny, Charlotte or any of their family be watching a show starring Bojack?
It being an incredibly popular show. Maybe even as Penny is in college her roommate watches it. She could see it on the internet. There are ways she could have stumbled upon it
I've never watched anything she was on, but I know who Kim Kardashien is.
I can think of several tv shows I've a passing/passable knowledge in that I've never watched, just from cultural osmosis or listening to friends, colleagues, coworkers, etc.
And that doesn't include the cover-up, so Penny's Dad might still watch the show as it was popular, other people in Penny's life might, and even then there is a difference between 'my abuser exists' and 'my abuser is profiting off my abuse'
I doubt Penny or Charlotte would watch it, but they never told anybody else, so their family or other people in their lives would.
Exactly.
That and lying to mr pb about her trip
The trip thing doesn't even come close.
Imo constantly shaming other women for enabling gross men, while she was best friend with bojack and didn't write about any of his actions even though she was a feminist journalist
Not only friends with Bojack: she wrote a biography that massively humanised (horsenised?) him. She directly enabled a lot of his post-Bojack Horseman Show career, which he definitely used to have access to women.
In defense of Diane in that moment probably she was under contract and Bojack could have sue her. That is how most of that things work even having confidentiality agreements of several years
But she actually broke her contract!
She could've written a bog standard autobiography that reveals nothing and does nothing to change his public perception. This would've been the path of least resistance.
She went out of her way, at personal financial risk, to write a good book, that had the effect of massively changing the perception of Bojack.
What did Bojack do in the first series to mean that Diane shouldn’t have attempted to humanise him. A lot of the bad stuff Bojack did was in later series. Diane spent time with bojack and tried to write a book that accurately represented him based on the time she spend with him and how well she knew him. She did what any good writer would have done which was trying to paint as accurate a picture of bojack as possible based on her knowledge of him at that time…
GOing on a drug bender and sleeping with the now adult actor who played his youngest daughter on the show he's famous for ain't a great look, presages a lot of his later troubles. but I agree Diane couldn"t have known most of what he'd do.
She only published a few chapters that were humillating. Not something that could actually destroy his career. Publish something about apple pies isn't the same than publish that you used to hit and run or that probably you are the cause of Sarah Lyn's alcoholism (right now I can't remember if Diane knew that but you get the point)
The worst thing you've ever done is misrepresent an apple fritter as an apple pie. I didn't read the rest.
Please forgive me. I watch the show in Spanish dub and it's name was a "straddle de manzana" and I don't have the slightest idea of how translate that. Please forgive me for my sins
Apparently it means apple strudel, which is also not an apple fritter, so I'll let it slide and blame it on the translation. May Bojojojo forgive you as well 😔
Uh, I think you need to re read what you're responding to. My point is that Diane's work was beneficial to Bojack's career (although I agree it was personally humiliating to him).
Diane's work was to write a book with the intention of revive Bojack's career. That was exactly the point. Literally Bojack says that is his last chance to be relevant once more. She got paid for that and penguin approved it because it would work. In that situation a neutral book would be a bad book
No that's not correct. Diane's work was to write an autobiography to make Penguin Publishing money. Bojack's career was irrelevant to her employment. She didn't do what she was employed to do.
Then why Bojack would hate the humillating parts of the book and use the argument of "I am not a friend saying this is a bad book, I am a boss saying this is a shitty book" Bojack was personally triggered? Yeah. He actually could play the card that as an employer the book was bas? Also yeah.
wasn't it a plot point that it was a warts-and-all book, and Bojack was pissed at first? she didn't water much down and wrote fairly accurately, the attempted honesty and "relatability" is what caused the increase in Bojack's popularity
yeah I think this one should win even though it's not the most upvoted, even though the "using someone else trauma" is the same level. it's between worst consequences (book, even though she couldn't anticipate what would come next) VS voluntary act (script, there's no way she didn't know the harm'it could cause to penny)
that wasn’t really a bad thing she did. The whole point of the show was that bojack was a human who was relatable however he also did some really bad things. At the time she wrote the book she didn’t now that bojack was going to leave Sarah lynn to die or give alcohol to and take advantage of a 17 year old or choke Gina. I agree at times she was inconsistent and maybe let her friendship with bojack blindside her to some of his actions but she hardly enabled his behaviour she was unaware of a lot of the bad stuff he did until later seasons when she distanced herself from him.
She had no clue he was that bad at that point. She thought he was just an asshole
All of the most awful things Bojack did were after the book was written and she didn't even learn about them until way later, at a point Diane knew Bojack really wanted to change and was putting in the effort.
To be fair, when you have a personal relationship with someone, you have a hard time dropping them, though she definitely could've done more.
this!!!
Not even talking about them via anonymous friend.
She did write about New Mexico.
in a TV show in code. so not really.
Valid
Writing the New Mexico storyline into Philbert. Not because of how it fucked with Bojack (though that’s also shitty), but because of how it could have (or likely did) fuck with Penny and Charlotte. Just the fact that Diane did this without a single thought for how it would affect the other people involved in the situation is extremely reckless and selfish.
Especially cause now if Penny did ever tell her story, chances are people wouldn't believe her because they'd think she was just making it up because they saw it on Philbert
Oh fuck I never thought about that aspect. That's incredibly shitty.
I mean the story on Philbert has no resemblance to what happened. It hits BoJack because she uses his exact words on the show but it doesn't resemble the actual events apart from there's a girl and a totally different type of boat. Technically she doesn't know that because she didn't know what happened but realistically she does because what happened on Philbert was something wildly outside of the life experiences BJH would have.
And super typical of people that are where she was at mentally at that point too
Self righteous unilateral punishment without a consideration for the side effects, or really any effects that aren't the narrow focused view of what they wish to accomplish
Imagine finding out that your abuse was written into a TV show. This is one of dianes biggest problems. Justice tunnel vision. She forgets the collateral damage done to countless people
I definitely agree with you and it's not an excuse, but I don't believe Penny or Charlotte will ever watch anything that Bojack is in.
Why tf would it be shitty to bojack he is a groomer.
they aren't saying it would be shitty to Bojack. They're saying that's not the reason it's fucked up what she did. If anything, they're agreeing with you
Edit: grammar/clarifying meaning
BoJack being shitty doesn’t justify Diane being shitty in return. There were so many other more mature ways to handle that.
It's not about BoJack it's about Penny and how if could affect her
How is almost sleeping with someone of legal consenting age considered ‘grooming’?
It’s fucking creepy for sure. But to call it grooming spits in the face of every child who was actually groomed before consenting age.
It also ignores what Bojacks actually doing. He's not out to sleep with Penny, he just thinks that him being famous makes it really cool he's going to prom etc with Penny, the same as what he does with the random wedding - he isn't trying to manipulate people into being under his power, he genuinely is disconnected from reality a bit.
What he actually does (tries to sleep with someones barely legal daughter because he's sad she wouldn't abandon her family for him) is bad enough
the whole problem could have been solved by a three way with kyle/charlotte but polycules are unexplored in shows. im almost serious as i liked the small convos kyle x bj had
Ah yes, a polycule with no other than Bojack Horseman, I'm sure that would have turned out perfectly fine.
Writing the Penny thing into Philbert without knowing the full story
But a close second is lying to her husband about being back in LA for months
Stop updating her blog while on antidepressants and made Dawson's Creek get bad
dawson’s creek was always bad
Crashing at Bojack's place for months while lying about it to Mr Peanut Butter deserves a mention.
Yeah I think this one
probably the second worst thing in the show but staying at BoJack's house for months when she said she was in Cordovia was a pretty shitty thing to do to Mr. Peanut Butter
Worst thing overall or for Diane?
for Diane
Is the first cheating with Mr. Peanutbutter?
Technically she wasn't the one cheating in that situation. Still a shitty thing to do though, knowing he was in a relationship!
I know people are mostly bringing up the USS New Mexico thing but I feel this is far worse. She gave Bojack multiple outs and finally snapped, which was reckless but justifiable I think, where as abandoning PB was just cowardly and mean.
To be fair, having a months-long depressive episode over getting an opportunity to do the important work you've spent your lifetime hoping to get a chance at and finding out that not only is it just PR for some rich guy but that you're not cut out for the work itself, so going back would mean admitting to your husband that you've been having issues with that you're not the person you thought you were isn't really mean, as such. Like, I don't think it was a good thing to do, obviously, but it's on a similar "fucked up thing to do but given the circumstances I kiiiiiiiinda get it" level as the Penny thing, but with a lot lower level of potential consequence.
Sleeping with Mr. Peanut Butter while he was engaged to Pickles
She fucked a dog.
She fucked a guy who went on to write for buzzfeed
This is the true horror in this thread.
I just threw up a little in my mouth.
Like they said, she fucked a dog.
I'm genuinely confused how the worst thing Mr. Peanutbutter did was tell Diane (a person who wasn't a professional reporter, was out of her league when even interacting with Hank and trying to get info on him, and was supposed to be promoting Bojack's book on tour) not to report Hank...😅 how was that worse than:
-Fracking underneath his house, which caused his house to collapse, a group of well-off VIPs and celebrities to get trapped and traumatized for days, the governor of California to lose his hands, somebody literally died, and he disrupted the life of the ants who lived underground and potentially made that area hazardous for them to colonize in...
-Running against Woodchuck for governor, which resulted in his house being fracked, a bridge to Hawaii being made, a bunch of bills being signed that mostly negatively impacted California, and tension onto his marriage that ended shortly after him running for governor...
-Cheating on Pickles with Diane, which resulted in traumatizing Pickles and the eventual end of his engagement with her, providing negative publicity towards the show he was on, and him falsely becoming the face of depression when he knows absolutely nothing about depression and is the worst candidate to be advocating against depression for...
These are just some of the things that happened on the show that are on the top of my head that are objectively "worse" than him telling his unprofessional wife to not cover a topic she has no business to be covering...😅 like, are we seriously saying that Diane being told to please do her job in promoting Bojack's book and to not focus on bringing down Mr. Peanutbutter's coworker (that she could have done with professional help at any point prior to Hank becoming his coworker IF she actually cared about "justice") is worse than a death and trauma that resulted from fracking, political turmoil that resulted from him running for governor, or traumatizing a young woman and falsely becoming the face of depression as a result of him cheating on his partner...?
hard agree here, hank is ultra rich and is currently getting away with abusing women. peanutbutter had a lot of good and caring reasons to be concerned, and not want her to pursue. bc y'know, being the wife of a 00's sitcom actor very likely isn't enough social power to matter to a guy like hank, who again, is actively abusing women
all your examples are faaaarrr more fitting
I looked at the previous post and saw over 500 people voted for telling Diane not to report Hank, too, and I'm just like...lost 😅 out of all the negative widespread impact Mr. Peanutbutter enacted, I don't know how this is even remotely on the list. Encouraging Diane to report Hank would have just ended with Mr. Peanutbutter out of a job and Diane pretty much being handed to the sharks, possibly even having her life threatened.
yeah haha, i'd get it if peanutbutter was like, a judah or guy level fantastic great person but,, he's not. don't get me wrong, i love him, i have a labrador and i really couldn't imagine a better interpretation of one. but cmon, there's so many legitimate awful things he's responsible for, i'm just as baffled that that was the conclusion
my best guess is maybe a lot of the voters just started watching? if i'm remembering right, the hank thing is the first "maybe peanutbutter isn't the best partner" moment we see, if enough people just simply haven't seen anything else, it'd make sense that's the worst in their mind
tbh i thought hank could end up killing diane in that dark corner, even if that's not his mo , she didn't think it through. You never go Alone .even if you don't know you're being tricked, i noticed diane in earlier seasons was rather naive , and if she hadn't been heckled at bojacks book signing i doubt diane would have gone after uncle hanky at all ,
fracking is the worst to me due to every reason you listed /then cheating on pickles/his fight with diane during the gov race where he pinned her on the wall during their fight first time pb acutally looked scary
That's the thing - Diane wasn't wanting to bring down Hank because she wanted justice for the victims. She wanted to bring down Hank because she was challenged and she wanted to be right. That's why even post-divorce, Diane didn't go and try to bring down Hank, even though she no longer had ties to Mr. Peanutbutter and at that point, she had experience as a reporter.
Everyone wants to heckle Mr. Peanutbutter for telling her not to go after Hank and claim he was just money-centered and selfish, and yet, Diane was only going after Hank for selfish reasons 😅 she was out of her league trying to take down Hank, she was being reckless with the way she was going about it, and she had no business to even go after Hank besides not liking being challenged when she was on Bojack's book tour. I don't think that is anywhere close to being Mr. Peanutbutter's "worst" thing he's ever done considering all the widespread negative impact he created throughout the series.
That's not why she did it. It's just because the claims got traction after she repeated them which she had no idea would happen.
Diane told Mr. Peanutbutter she had no intention to further go after Hank after he asked her not to, and the moment another person challenged her on the next stop of Bojack's book tour, she kept going.
She was being defensive. Otherwise, why tell her husband one minute she's not going to go after Hank only to go after Hank right after she was being challenged...? There's not any evidence to support she had ulterior and ultimately justice-seeking motives to want to continue the discussion.
The Pickles thing was the last straw for me, it made me unable to really like him anymore
The Pickles thing never sat well with me, either. The fact that he was able to save face so quickly and become the "face of depression" was so messed up, too. He deserved at least a little further public scrutiny so that he could fully feel the weight of his actions not just towards Pickles, but towards every young and bright woman he's done wrong.
I wouldn’t call those “objectively” worse, especially considering how subjective morality is in the show. Most of his governorship run was played off as slapstick and goofy commentary, making it a bit hard to take as seriously as some of his other actions; it was less an issue of “morality” and more an issue of him being manipulated into political stupidity. With Hank, though? It purposefully felt much darker, and the show took his decision much more seriously. It felt realistic, grounded, and it was meant to be felt that way by the audience because it happens every day. He actively chose to put television and entertainment above his wife and above Hank’s victims, and he worked to suppress his wife’s morals—morals that could’ve potentially saved other victims. There’s no justifying what he did with Pickles, it’s awful, but you could definitely argue that preventing the accountability of a serial abuser while actively protecting and uplifting their platform for your own personal gain is worse.
Just my two cents.
Uh...objectively, yes. I would.
Objectively, saying "Don't do this" to your wife isn't worse than agreeing to a drill underneath your house that indirectly resulted in the death of a celebrity and trauma surrounded a group of other celebrities/VIPs. That is what objectively happened.
Objectively, saying "Don't do this" to your wife is not worse than interrupting state of politicd in your state government, the economic and environmental repercussions of directly saying "We can build a bridge to Hawaii", directly causing a strain in your marriage, and indirectly causing your marriage to ultimately end. That is what objectively happened.
Objectively, saying "Don't do this" to your wife is not worse than cheating on your partner, asking her hand in marriage to avoid telling her that you cheated on her, traumatizing her and revealing to her that you cheated on her, and indirectly becoming the face of depression (despite not knowing anything about depression + not being depressed) just to avoid facing public scrutiny. That is what objectively happened.
These aren't just "slapsticks" like you're saying 😅 these are directly and OBJECTIVELY what happened, and to say it's all "goofy commentary" or "it's awful, but not as awful" is subjective, in itself. You're putting your own opinions on what happened during these events instead of seeing the direct impact and what directly caused/resulted from these actions.
Edit: Blocking me because you don't know the definition of the word "objectively" is hilarious. It's okay to have your own opinion, but at the end of the day, you making assumptions of what could have happened and how you feel regarding what could have happened versus what definitively occurred regardless of personal feelings and biases is the difference between subjectivity and objectivity.
You're being subjective and defensive because you're discussing your personal morals and your personal thoughts of what you're assuming could have occurred. I'm discussing what was literally shown on the show- somebody did die as a result of Mr. Peanutbutter fracking, there were economic repercussions of building a bridge to Hawaii as a result of Mr. Peanutbutter running for governor, he did become the face of depression even though he was not diagnosed with depression and he was never declared a professional on the topic as a result of cheating on Pickles. Morals or not, these things did happen and are objectively worse than telling your wife to not do something.
I think you’re “objectively” using the word wrong here—as a matter of fact, I know it. I stand by my point—not that one thing IS worse, but that there’s enough subjectivity around it to have reasonable debate (especially when many of your conclusions and arguments are already based on somewhat faulty conclusions and connections).
Morality is quite subjective, especially in media. It balances impact, intent, involvement, and even the tone of the show, and it’s measured using different metrics for different people. So “objectively,” your word choice is wrong on this one. You’re totally free to have an opinion! Just know it’s your opinion, not absolute truth, and your opinion on morality NOT “objective.”
For me it's telling bojack during an argument, "you'll be so miserable you'll want to kill yourself and you'll have no one left to stop you."
i just think its a fucked up thing to say even if ya want to argue bojack was out of line you just don't say that to a person
It kinda felt like she was looking for a fight in this scene from the jump. It would not have been difficult or inappropriate to say congratulations or not mock his bleak outlook
i think her intentions were cheer up bojack cause she knows he's a depressed guy but it failed so spectacularly there is never justification for telling a depressed person, Someone you deem a friend , 'you'll be so miserable you'll want to kill yourself and have no one left to stop you." its made worst since we know he's suicidal
this to me was diane's worst moment next to inviting pb to her apartment were she could get 'fracked' after telling pickles a few months back how loyal PB is no less
How is that Mr. PB one worse than cheating on pickles??
Diane’s was definitely not telling her husband she was back in america for 6 months. Either that or not telling that one lady to watch out for the cable
Cheating with PB when he was with Pickles especially after she specifically had a scene comforting Pickles at BJ’s party where she pretty much assured her not to worry about her
Sleeping with Mr. Peanutbutter while he was with Pickles... which Diane advised against several times regarding ex-partners; using Bojack's trauma just because she was angry with him and using it as a "fuck you" thing.
Littering cigarettes
I guess enabling Bojack's behaviour
WHY IS NOBODY POINTING OUT SHE BECAME “THE GIRL HE TOLD YOU NOT TO WORRY ABOUT” EXCEPT SHE SAID IT HERSELF, NOT MR. PB. like mr. pb telling pickles “i still have feelings for diane” felt like foreshadowing to me, but imagine this: youre drunk at a party with your celebrity boyfriend who wont shut up about his exes, you have a panic attack in the bathroom, his ex wife of 10 years comes in, says shes not the person he is in love with anymore, and then like probably a week later, they do the dilly dally, his ex wife takes little to no accountability (sorry, but she was giving heavy bojack here; “i feel like a garbage fire all the time” and that whole speech) and then not even 2 minutes later, does it AGAIN, and then barely apologizes to you, and THEN continue to ridicule you in person, behind your back, the radio… diane can be a very hard character to defend and relate to sometimes
Only if they showed erica's face
Using Penny's trauma to hurt Bojack.
Like, I know people make mistakes are are allowed to not be always rational, but that was insanely low for her
Being from Boston, duh.
writing the scene in Philbert on the submarine.
Leaking One Trick Pony
Being completely narcissistic on the roof with her friend, when she asked her friend how she is, and she started talking, Todd interrupted them and after Todd left, she completely forgot about her friend and claimed to be a good friend
Idk enabling bojack so long while also being a feminist lmao
i lowkey disagree with the Penny Thing it’s shitty but yall say it would upset Penny and Charley as if they would watch a show Bojack is in imo the worst thing she did was her crashing at bojacks not only did it Toxic Bojack and Wands relationship but also just objectively a bad thing to do to mr peanut butter
The act of publishing a deeply personal, traumatic story without consent is a profound betrayal that transcends whether the subjects would see it, as it commodifies their pain for public consumption and fundamentally violates their autonomy and privacy.
RIght but she's NOT publishing penny's story, or anything that remotely resembles it. IT's a personal fuck you to Bjh cos she uses his words but the story itself is different in every feasable detail.
Gonna go with lying to and manipulating Bojack to write her book, then leaking it when he got mad.
It was cruel, spiteful and unprofessional. No amount of book sales would ever justify it.
*Hank Hippopopalous
The philbert submarine shi....I admit for a sec I was like TAKE THAT BOJACK but now reaaaally thinking throughly about it.....poor penny-
When and how and why did Todd enable a genocide??????
Being a total pick me girl while she was living with Bojack and Wanda, while always claiming to be a feminist, secretly recording the conversation when Bojack was about to confess his feelings for her, being an absolutely clueless hypocrite friend to Roxy and of course the thing everyone has already mentioned with the New Mexico storyline.
being best friends with bojack, an abuser.
Worst thing Diane did?
Be a woman criticizing men. Thats what got her the most hate
lol diane was a hypocrite
Not the worst but something that struck me on the recent watchthrough was her awful reaction to the “Belle” Room. Was just like, tf is wrong with you?
She made Mr cheat on Pickles and the way she played on his emotions afterwards in general.
Ok she did not MAKE him cheat on pickles lmfao you cannot MAKE someone do shit like that.
I was trying to be original, because people here already said everything. I know Diane didn't FORCE him to do anything really, but the way she didn't seem to even feel remothly bad about this whole thing is kinda shitty. It just didn't take any place in her brain.
Wait why is Peanutbutter bad for asking Diane to not report Hank? The show made it very clear that he didn't do anything and even if Diane reports him, she has zero proof and will fail and might even be sued for defamation, and PB would go bankrupt if his show is cancelled.
There was literally a scene of Hank on TV that very explicitly say out loud "I didn't do it". Turn on the subtitle. Do people even watch the show?
This isn't the circlejerk sub, bud
How is that PBs worst thing and not exploiting a young girl because she's innocent and kinda daft (and barely legal amirite fellas, naw cause shes still legal i guess so it isnt bad 🤣) Cause tbh he was completely steering Diane in the right direction with the Hank thing just not in a well put way. Hank was way too powerful of a figure for her to come out of that debacle unscathed. I know Diane would 100% die for great journalism but it would be for nothing if we're being honest. If we've learned anything from Epstein Island it's that they will get away with it.
Pickles was 25 not a child