I'm reminded of a post on black twitter that said a meteor could be heading for earth and someone would photoshop the crying Michael Jordan face on the planet
That would have been a hilarious bit if they just had Tracy say some crazy Kanye tweets! It makes me think of ArScheerio Paul Show where Paul Scheer just recreates the Arsenio Hall show word for word, and watching it now in that context you realize how insane that show was.
Dr. Phil had him come out to do his show just so he could immediately say âyouâre an asshole, get out of here!â
Like everybody working there already saw how he was dressed before he walked out, if Phil was so righteous he could have let him speak and show what an asshole he is, but he was too chickenshit to allow any sort of dialogue. Just wasting everybodyâs time
Omg! I watched this episode. đđ Dude called Dr. Phil out on his isht before it was popular to do so.
On another note, Mr. Winfrey (Oprah's dad) was such a sweet man and a staple in the Nashville community (he was friends w/my grandad). Oprah must have been far gone before she lived w/him.
Oprah's life was incredibly complicated and sad, behind the bastards does a really great profile on her that takes a look at the hand she was dealt in life and the impacts she has created with her influence.
Omg, I'm so happy you posted this. I laughed my ass off when this happened live, and people quickly forgot about it. Yea, the dude was a POS for making homeless people fight, but fuck you can see he got under Dr. Phil's skin, especially with the stuff he said as he was escorted out.
Also, I think Phil didn't know he looked like that until moments before he appeared, so he just went off script and didn't interview him at all.
Wait, are you saying the guy that went on Dr Phil wasn't one of the original bum fights guys? I know the Ogs only made the first film and films 2 - 4 were made by some dipshits from Vegas after they sold off the brand.
I think Phil didn't know he looked like that until moments before he appeare
you don't think his staff told him beforehand? you don't think they have a protocol for this kind of thing? i think he knew and put him on the show just to kick him out.
yes, they both do the same thing. they exploit people by giving them a small amount of monty to put on a performance and turn around and make crazy amounts of money by showing that performance to an audience.
i agree with bumfights guy that what dr phill does is no better than what he does, he cashes in on shining a light on people's pain. that said, im not defending Jonathan Bumfight here, im defending his point. i still think hes a piece of shit. i think they both are
The anti-vax shit is crazy. We have some hippie, granola, commune born, eastern medicine only family members that were anti vax back in the day. As far left as you can be without being militantâŚSeemingly over anti vax alone, they turned out crazy Maga trumpers. Fucking wild.
The thing is: the new age shit has a very similar psychological appeal as the MAGA triggers have for those people. Both are very effective as releasing dopamine in the brains of people who are desperate to feel superior to the folks around them.
The common denominator is an internal drive to be the keeper of the âsecret truth.â Itâs such a sick, self obsessed compulsion for too many people on all sides of the political spectrum.
Not just anti-vax, Jennie McCarthy repopularized the idea that vaccines cause autism and brought it from dead and buried proven wrong old laughable nonsense, back to crunchy moms of the 90s, 00s, and all the way up to today. Jim Carry of course was married to her throughout and WAY WAY WAY more famous than her, which meant that a lot of people who didn't care about her or what she said, got their attention caught by him saying this crap.
Would be far better if she was actually held accountable and felt some consequences. Not sure how that would be considering she's out of the limelight now, but when the biggest time she's been openly criticized is by a podcast that the vast majority of people have probably never heard of, much less followed or even listened to that specific episode, she hasn't been criticized anywhere remotely near enough.
She also encouraged people to see John of God who was a serial rapist of over a 1000 women
Or gave Jenna McCarthy a huge audience to spread anti-vax nonsense.
She is the reason we have a bunch of MTG and Boebert types who think they know better than the experts.
She left a huge void when her show left and all those viewers just thought they could know better because her show was doing just that, propping up people who don't know better and telling people they can know better than experts
Exactly, the show was pseudoscience for moms. It was hack remedies, spiritualist nonsense, quack doctors, a cavalcade of things for moms to fear and solutions that do more harm than good. Oprah is the queen of unqualified, unsubstantiated medical advice. She will find the most fringe, most hated, underqualified "doctors" and platform them endlessly. It's all spectacle, it's all intentionally manipulative to the audience. Taking what was an underserved demographic and amplifying all their fears and worst tendencies - that come from a good place - and pushing them towards blatant bad actors.
100% this. She made these massive societal problems entertainment; in doing so, she became what she originally demonized.
Edited to add: look into her relationship with Diddy 20 years ago. She's the reason diddy went on the "citizen change" campaign. She helped create him.
Yes! I hit the comment button prepared to write almost exactly your first sentence. Those were the two people I was thinking of and was also going to use "unleashed"
If your friends do A bad thing, you support and try to help them because you are a good friend.
If your friend is routinely a shitty person and you tolerate that shitiness and allow it around you repeatedly, then yes you are also a shitty person.
"Wow, my best friend John just can't seem to stop fighting homeless people downtown.... Anyway, can't wait to go downtown with John tomorrow!" kinda energy from that comment.
Idk.. Just playing devilâs advocate here but Oprah hosted an extremely influential talk show and has been in the spotlight for over 20 years now. She probably has surface relationships with hundreds of celebrities. It comes with the gig.
Iâm just saying Iâve never heard any news of Oprah herself having any controversial scandals.
Oprah elevating a bunch of quacks and scam artists on a national platform IS the scandal. These weren't random people her producers made her put on TV, these were people she put on TV herself because she drank their Kool-Aid.
This isnât about dr Phil or Dr Oz though. Itâs very pointedly about the four sex abusers pictured in the OP. Who Iâm sure saw Oprah a few times a year at star studded events where these pics were taken. Surely you donât believe she knows EVERYTHING about every single person she comes across? Thats foolish.
The problem with this type of post is that there are probably pictures like this with Oprah and every famous person of the last 40 years. You could just as easily put together a four picture collage to try and push that she only keeps company with paragons of virtue.
Either way itâs just a circle jerk of ignorance. I doubt any of these people consider her an actual friend the way normal people understand the concept. Like, does anybody really think she met up w Diddy for coffee on random days to talk about his relationship problems?
Russell Simmons, Co-founder of Def Jam Records. You can say he WAS the Oprah of Hip Hop in terms of influence, respect, and stature, for a time. His was the Motown Records of rap.
No but neither he nor Oz have ever been real, medical doctors. The point people are making is she displayed extremely poor judgement at the detriment of society at large. Morally, thereâs an expectation of some responsibility when one has such a wide-reaching and influential platform.
Yes, he is the epitome of a guy who is brilliant at one thing who believes that means he's brilliant on everything. He will give medical advice far outside his areas of study, and he is willing to tell any other medical professional to fuck off and that they're wrong. Oprah knows how to scout someone like that, they're great for the kind of spectacle-focused daytime TV she wants to make.
She interviewed and promoted thousands on a talk show -- not a news show. And, you single out 5 - 10 a-holes and she has a moral responsibility to society? This is a bizarre stance. Inconceivable, actually.
Thank you. She's an incredibly famous person who has probably taken a picture with almost every other famous person over the last 40 years. There are pictures of her with monsters and with saints. All it says about her is she's famous and met other famous people and posed for pictures. If she refused to pose for pictures she'd be dragged for that too.
Also if youâre super rich, youâre friends with other super rich people, and the odds of super rich men being menaces to the world are high đ¤ˇđťââď¸
I think the uncomfortable truth people keep ignoring is that wealth transcends race for a lot of people. Rich people associate with eachother and what race you are comes second. Same reason you get black people who get rich and suddenly become out of touch and cozy up with rich white people. Wealthy white people aren't exactly looking at working class white people as their "brethren" either.
So yeah I believe he had and likely still has some black friends. But optics are everything. Oprah could still chat to him on the phone once in the while for all we know but she's smart enough to know how it would look of she associated with him in public
Exactly this, kinda weird transition but stay with me here: this is actually something X-Men comics explore through the Hellfire Club. Itâs a group of the most wealthy/powerful people in the world (who also have super powers) and even though most of them are mutants theyâll do shit like fund giant killer robots that will put all mutants in concentration camps before genociding them because theyâre rich and powerful enough that they can do that shit and very confidently assume it wonât effect them personally.
The rich will always cover each other before they cover someone whoâs powerless but happens to share a culture, an ethnicity, or a nation with them. Most of them would do it before shielding someone they shared blood with.
Which is exactly why they fuel racial division. It's about destroying class solidarity. If poor people stopped hating each other over race, they might start hating the real culprits.
Self-interest transcends most issues for most people. This is one thing that Trump, for all he doesn't understand, understands incredibly well - the transactional nature of relationships.
Trump wants to make it extremely clear to everyone around him that he is a purely transactional entity - as long as you're willing to demonstrate your loyalty and value to him, he'll overlook any past transgression and throw his influence behind you. There is nothing that exists within the mind of Trump other than self-interest, and that's how he's able to entirely see beyond concepts that the rest of us in society are beholden to, like reality/truth, corruption, law, ethics etc.
He will never ask "Is this right/legal/true/acceptable/etc?", only "Will this benefit me?". This is the ugliest aspect of Trump's movement - he has illuminated just how many people in the US are, at their core, self-interested above all else, and wish they had the sociopathic apathy of Trump to be free from the constraints of living in a society.
lol that I don't know as it was before my time. I'm sure those former friends are either not surprised at his behavior or shooketh all these years later.
Same in the 80s. He was the symbol of excess, and had bad hair. Of course a segment of the population viewed him as "success" and people wanted to be seen with him and associate with him because they craved the lifestyle, but he was a joke to the average American.
He was very specifically despised in NYC. The rest of the country viewed him sort of the way we viewed kim kardashian in the 2010s. A representation of mindless excess and greed and gaudiness... but he still had a lot of fans and people who admired that.
Nah. He just had rehabbed his image from the 70s and was better at hiding his shit cuz he wasnt in the public spotlight as much. Dude has always been a racist, raping, shitbag.Â
He looks soooo uncomfortable! You can tell by the eyes, he mentally checked out and went to his happy place cuz hugging a fluffy black woman no matter how rich she is, was not on any bingo card for him.đ
I think I remember in that podcast they spend some time mulling over if she deserves the six-partner lol. Whatever the case it's an interesting overview of her career
And also motherfucking Heinrich Himmler. She had enough material to be talked about for the same amount of time as one of historyâs greatest monsters. Wtf
Yeah but thatâs obviously because she was a person that hosted a show on tv for decades, among the internet and the paparazzi. There is a lot more accessible information about Oprah than historical figures that came around before the internet.
And because they give a lot of context about the world that made her, which I think is valuable because she is real unique given their normal subject matter.
Tbf they straight up said they arenât done with Himmler, they just didnât want to go longer than 6 episodes at a stretch on the guy and will probably come back to him later
This is the most dishonest representation of that series you could
imagine.
They spent a lot of time trying to figure out if she even was a bastard. Like she did bad things, but she's just an influential person that has more written about her than Kissinger.
To be fair, some of the parts were dedicate to the genuine history and background of her childhood, and some of it was about her genuinely good work with some schools in Africa. She's not as purely evil as Kissinger was, but she's got a long complicated life that takes a while to unravel.
If I remember right, they still couldn't point a finger directly at any fuckery she's culpable of. Guilt by association is sort of the worst indictment against her -also the sensationalized content of her shows. She made her money shaming people for 90's era bullshit but so did everyone else...
She's always just above it, or just beyond reproach.
Their verdict was that she is a victim of some horrible things but she also platformed and enabled too many shitty people and trends to not also be labeled a bastard. Without her, we might not have ever gotten Joe Rogan on top of the bastards she was directly involved with.
As a teen from a working class family in Chicago, we loved her. However, as time went on, she aligned herself with folks in the âburbs living in McMansions with a household income in the 6 figures. Her average Christmas âfavorite thingsâ back then, ranged from $100 to $300+. She totally ignored the demographic that was there for her in the beginning & initially was tuning in while she building her empire. She made her coins while in Chicago, eventually closing her studio & is currently living her spiritual capitalistic, American dream. Good for her, but ask the real ones from Chicago back then, and they will tell you she ainât sh*t, for real.
I'm from Santa Barbara, where she lives, at least part time. She owns the biggest property in Montecito (I don't know if that includes Steadman's property next door or not). It's where Prince Harry moved to with Meghan. It's a celebrity enclave.
And I moved away because $1,500 a month to rent a room was too much, but I spent 30 years in this city, working, patronizing businesses, walking around town. You'd hear of Oprah sightings.. But nobody ever sees Oprah here. She's not a part of this community, she's not buying kids school lunches -but every construction worker you meet has worked on her estate. Pictures don't get out, she has security up the ass.
I 100% believe it. She ghosted the community that literally was there for her when the show was âAM Chicagoâ. No one in the âburbs gave a sh*t who this woman was in the beginning. She was one of us and we rooted for her success. She grew the show from that to the âOprah Winfrey Showâ based on her earlier demographic viewers. There may be a story or two of someone who interacted with her outside of Harpo Studios but other than that, she didnât bother to connect to the Chicago community for the duration she was here, unless it benefitted her show.
There were things that she was more directly responsible for endorsing, like the satanic panic, but a lot of platforming people that have themselves gone on to do really shitty things.
While they refuse to directly pin that responsibility on her, I am going to say that it could happen once or twice to anyone, but it happens so frequently with her - from shitty grifters like Dr. Oz, Dr. Phil or Jenny McCarthy - to legitimate grade-A pieces of shit like John of God.
The most telling part of any of this is that she has never publicly condemned or expressed any real remorse at who she platformed - nor the the effects that her putting a megaphone to huge grifts have had on society.
She is essentially a more successful and more influential version of Joe Rogan.
They did so many parts because they went deep into her childhood, not because she's Hitler.
And in those episodes, they say that while there's a lot to criticize her for, they explicitly say it's dumb to criticize her for these photos.
And yet in twenty twenty, a sizeable chunk of the QAnon movement starts spreading rumors that Oprah has been secretly arrested for sex trafficking. Now, this is obviously untrue, but there are some things that fuel the allegations. One of them is Oprah's long standing professional relationships with two men who have definitely did sex trafficking, Harvey Weinstein and our
old friend p Diddy. Now, for Weinstein's case, there is a photo of Oprah kissing Weinstein on the cheek, which you can find without much effort. I have found zero solid information that implies anything beyond a professional relationship between Oprah, who stars in one movie produced by his company, and Weinstein. ...
What I can prove is that Weinstein and Oprah worked together at some point and that likewise, Oprah went to a number of Ditty's parties. And these are specifically the white parties, right, the ones that were not exclusively devoted to sex crimes. So I part of the issue is that these two are both very famous people and in the industry Oprah was in, and so obviously she had personal and professional connections to them. But again, when it comes to actual crimes, there is zero evidence of Oprah directly enabling or directly covering up either of those men's crimes. That evidence does not exist, and from what I've seen,
it looks like she's probably guilty of the same thing most people at her level in Hollywood are, which is being like that guy seems fucked up. I'm just not going to get too close.
I think that when it comes to Oprah and these powerful men, I think that like that, I understand why it lends itself to conspiracy theories. Because powerful, rich, famous people know each other, they work together, they're photographed with each other like that doesn't mean that some that doesn't mean that Oprah like had a direct hand in enabling Weinstein's sex crimes, but like, like, that's just how it works.
Weinstein wouldn't need her for that, right, There's no line between the women that he abused and like Oprah unlike. . . . I just don't have any evidence that she's done anything in the Weinstein case or in the P Ditty case.
They did so many parts because they went deep into her childhood, not because she's Hitler.
Thank you for adding that. Because it sucks how people use that as ammunition for "fuck oprah" when really it's just that she's super influential and has platformed some bad people. but she wasn't malicious.
And she has had a photo with every single person with power alive.
To say nothing of the three pairs of episodes about Dr Oz, Dr Phil, and John Of God, all of which came out long before they actually did the Ophrah series (and conveniently re-packaged together in one 7 hour marathon episode at the conclusion of the Oprah series if you have a lot of time to kill)
As I bring up every post I see about people discovering Oprah is shit: Chicago DJ Mancow Mueller back in the 90s talked about what a shitty person she is. So itâs been known to some of us for a while
Look if my friend group SOMEHOW is made up of the worst people and I SOMEHOW didnât know?? That just says Iâm dumb or ignorant or both. Iâm probably a bad person
I feel you on one hand, but on the other these are mega famous and rich people. They arenât on bs 24/7 bro lol. And thatâs not even defending Oprah cause sheâs trash but I kinda think that assumption just off some pics is a lot no?
I agree with you. Do you know how many other people probably have pictures with all these people? Theyâre famous and rich. Theyâre going to bump elbows. Oprah is terrible but pictures donât mean they hung out all the time or even said more than a sentence to each other.
Not to defend Oprah but taking pictures with people at events is hardly the most condemning evidence.
She has much more substantial connections with POS's like Dr. Phil and John of God. Promoting quack stuff like alt medicine, the satanic panic, and basically every other moral panic.
Do you know who bottom left is? I tuned Orpah out years ago so I know the other three but am slightly OOTL on bottom left. Probably heard the name just not seen the face.
Edit: Russell Simmons, the Def Jam guy. I remember him. Signed the Beastie Boys back in the day. I also remember heâs the creep that married that young woman who recently complained her young daughter is dating an older man. Small world.
"A documentary film about the sexual assault allegations against Simmons, On the Record, premiered at the Sundance Film Festival on January 25, 2020, and was released on HBO Max on May 27, 2020.[85] Oprah Winfrey withdrew as executive producer of the film, after having been pressured by Simmons to cancel the release,[86] eventually stating there were "inconsistencies" in Drew Dixon's story that "gave me pause"."
To be fair how many people could you professionally endorse today and never ever have it come back to bite you even after thorough social media sleuthing
It's almost like you should fucking vet someone before you present them to the world as credible and give them a platform. This isn't like Dr Phil had a secret sex dungeon nobody new about. Everything he did and stood for was always exploitative and his approach from like day 1 was unethical. She either deliberately or dispassionately platformed that without giving a shit because it made her some extra money and helped her build a "media empire"
You're just tossing around Reddit-speak buzzwords while displaying zero knowledge of Dr Phil's actual history.
His show didn't exist prior to Oprah platforming him - in fact, it was 4 years later.
They met when Dr Phil's Courtroom Science firm helped her defend against a defamation suit brought on by Texas beef ranchers. During the case, she learned more about Phil and his practical, no-nonsense self-help approach called "Pathways". And she thought he'd be a good guest.
Nothing about this was exploitative and his appearances on Oprah were not either. You're just retrofitting outrage with a nice dose of confirmation bias - and, frankly, a little envy for successful people. 'They are all shitty IRL!'
By their logic, Jay Leno is also a massive piece of shit because he's interviewed nearly every one of those men himself. Shocker, some of the people that Oprah interviewed over her 25 year career ended up being awful people.
There are plenty of reasons to hate Oprah, but this one is just cherry picked to fuel the reddit hate boner.
a combination of misogyny and racism towards an incredibly successful black woman
No doubt those elements are there but this doesn't render her immune from genuine criticisms about her, like her endorsement of pseudoscience and other problematic behaviours during her career.
Meaning she was just a semi uneducated person with a platform ... This statement probably applies to 90 plus percent of people on TV from the '90s to 2000s... Even worse today probably
There are definitely some bad things you can say about Oprah, but sheâs probably been photographed with thousands of celebrities. Obviously some of those people are going to turn out to be problematic.
Iâm so grateful to see someone talking about this. More people need to know sheâs not just guilty by association, she has caused irreparable damage.
The entire thread is people saying she can't be guilty just by association so smugly and then saying "ugh everyone is just parroting reddit talking points," when they have 0 knowledge of anything she's done. They're just washing any gunk off her career for free, no questions asked.
Right??? Thereâs gossiping and sharing tea and then thereâs just being downright nasty. I wish her peace in this stage of her life, but that doesnât take away from the fact some of the horrible things sheâs said and done to others
It has always about class. Not saying race and gender issues arenât real, they are, but the top 1% is using that as a smokescreen for the real issue.
Class.
IF enough Americans ever willingly choose to eject themselves out of the matrix, they will bring the final part of the equation.
Warfare.
Buuuut weâre too complacent to ever really get to French levels of a revolution lesbereal
She unleashed Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz onto the American people. She is complicit in their atrocities.
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Ghislaine Blackswell.
Now I gotta go put myself in jail for releasing that name on the world.
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I'm reminded of a post on black twitter that said a meteor could be heading for earth and someone would photoshop the crying Michael Jordan face on the planet
Iâve seen that biopic, starring Tracy Jordan.
"I don't need a birthday, 'cause I buy myself all the presents I need. And because of my drinking, they're often a surprise."
"I CANT READ, LIZ LEMON! I ONCE TRIED TO MAKE MASHED POTATOES OUT OF LAUNDY DETERGENT!"
"Iâm on a show within a show, my real name is Tracy Morgan!"
"I once saw a pack of wild dogs take over and successfully run a Wendy's!"
I forget who said, but you can ", Liz Lemon!" to any given Kanye tweet and unlock a Tracy Jordan quote.
That would have been a hilarious bit if they just had Tracy say some crazy Kanye tweets! It makes me think of ArScheerio Paul Show where Paul Scheer just recreates the Arsenio Hall show word for word, and watching it now in that context you realize how insane that show was.
A Blaffair to Rememblack
Lmao why is it so inconceivable to think she could also be a monster too đ
She knew who they were.
That was actually Naomi Campbell though
That dude was so real for that. In only a few moments exposed the hypocrisy of dr phil
Dr. Phil had him come out to do his show just so he could immediately say âyouâre an asshole, get out of here!â
Like everybody working there already saw how he was dressed before he walked out, if Phil was so righteous he could have let him speak and show what an asshole he is, but he was too chickenshit to allow any sort of dialogue. Just wasting everybodyâs time
Bling bling!!!!
Omg! I watched this episode. đđ Dude called Dr. Phil out on his isht before it was popular to do so. On another note, Mr. Winfrey (Oprah's dad) was such a sweet man and a staple in the Nashville community (he was friends w/my grandad). Oprah must have been far gone before she lived w/him.
Oprah's life was incredibly complicated and sad, behind the bastards does a really great profile on her that takes a look at the hand she was dealt in life and the impacts she has created with her influence.
Very interesting and worth listening to.
Such a great podcast, the Vince McMahon deep dive was excellent
It was so sad she decided to fuck everyone over for money and continue doing so, canât be that bad to be a millionaire and still be a piece of shit
Omg, I'm so happy you posted this. I laughed my ass off when this happened live, and people quickly forgot about it. Yea, the dude was a POS for making homeless people fight, but fuck you can see he got under Dr. Phil's skin, especially with the stuff he said as he was escorted out.
Also, I think Phil didn't know he looked like that until moments before he appeared, so he just went off script and didn't interview him at all.
not the actual bumfughts people look up the channel5 interview on youtubeÂ
Wait, are you saying the guy that went on Dr Phil wasn't one of the original bum fights guys? I know the Ogs only made the first film and films 2 - 4 were made by some dipshits from Vegas after they sold off the brand.
Who went on Dr Phil?
you don't think his staff told him beforehand? you don't think they have a protocol for this kind of thing? i think he knew and put him on the show just to kick him out.
Bum fights guy is a total piece of shit but I was on his side in this case because fuck Dr Phil
His whole point kinda was that he was a piece of shit and telling Phil that he was doing the exact same thing just under the guise of helping people
yes, they both do the same thing. they exploit people by giving them a small amount of monty to put on a performance and turn around and make crazy amounts of money by showing that performance to an audience.
i agree with bumfights guy that what dr phill does is no better than what he does, he cashes in on shining a light on people's pain. that said, im not defending Jonathan Bumfight here, im defending his point. i still think hes a piece of shit. i think they both are
I use it as an example of Chaotic Neutral moment irl
he's not neutral though, he's definitely evil
Dr. Phil is such an asshole the Bumfights guy had the moral high ground.
This guy really was a POS but also the way he admitted to being a POS and that doctor Phill was doing the same thing, was just *chef's kiss
One of the single greatest moments of all time in media
Forever a Genius for pulling that move on T.V. and "Dr" Phils bitch azz couldn't tale it and walked out.
Jenny McCarthy too. Ant-vax / "VaCcInEs cAuSe AuTiSm" wasn't a big thing until that asshole got broadcast far and wide thanks to Oprah.
Jim Carey too
Whatâs the problem with Jim Carey? Seems to be against a lot of shit that regular folks should be against.
Same reason as Jenny McCarthy; they were *partners at the time.
EDIT: Never married, but romantic partners from 2005-2010 per Wikipedia
anti-vax i believe
Ah, I didnât remember the anti-vax.
The anti-vax shit is crazy. We have some hippie, granola, commune born, eastern medicine only family members that were anti vax back in the day. As far left as you can be without being militantâŚSeemingly over anti vax alone, they turned out crazy Maga trumpers. Fucking wild.
Cultists gotta cult.
The New Age to Qanon pipeline is very real and very horrible.
The thing is: the new age shit has a very similar psychological appeal as the MAGA triggers have for those people. Both are very effective as releasing dopamine in the brains of people who are desperate to feel superior to the folks around them.
The common denominator is an internal drive to be the keeper of the âsecret truth.â Itâs such a sick, self obsessed compulsion for too many people on all sides of the political spectrum.
Not just anti-vax, Jennie McCarthy repopularized the idea that vaccines cause autism and brought it from dead and buried proven wrong old laughable nonsense, back to crunchy moms of the 90s, 00s, and all the way up to today. Jim Carry of course was married to her throughout and WAY WAY WAY more famous than her, which meant that a lot of people who didn't care about her or what she said, got their attention caught by him saying this crap.
It was a thing long before that, just wasn't in mainstream media.
Don't forget John of God, one of the most prolific rapists in modern history.
Oprah has never been held accountable or openly criticized for any of the terrible things for which she is responsible
Never?
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-one-is-oprah-winfrey-a-257625807/
It was a super interesting
26 parter.Would be far better if she was actually held accountable and felt some consequences. Not sure how that would be considering she's out of the limelight now, but when the biggest time she's been openly criticized is by a podcast that the vast majority of people have probably never heard of, much less followed or even listened to that specific episode, she hasn't been criticized anywhere remotely near enough.
It's a super-interesting 6 parter.
Oh shit you're right. There's also the follow up compilation with episodes about the specific shitbags she's platformed.
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She also encouraged people to see John of God who was a serial rapist of over a 1000 women
Or gave Jenna McCarthy a huge audience to spread anti-vax nonsense.
She is the reason we have a bunch of MTG and Boebert types who think they know better than the experts.
She left a huge void when her show left and all those viewers just thought they could know better because her show was doing just that, propping up people who don't know better and telling people they can know better than experts
Exactly, the show was pseudoscience for moms. It was hack remedies, spiritualist nonsense, quack doctors, a cavalcade of things for moms to fear and solutions that do more harm than good. Oprah is the queen of unqualified, unsubstantiated medical advice. She will find the most fringe, most hated, underqualified "doctors" and platform them endlessly. It's all spectacle, it's all intentionally manipulative to the audience. Taking what was an underserved demographic and amplifying all their fears and worst tendencies - that come from a good place - and pushing them towards blatant bad actors.
100% this. She made these massive societal problems entertainment; in doing so, she became what she originally demonized.
Edited to add: look into her relationship with Diddy 20 years ago. She's the reason diddy went on the "citizen change" campaign. She helped create him.
Also John of God, who is probably the worst of them all
Yes! I hit the comment button prepared to write almost exactly your first sentence. Those were the two people I was thinking of and was also going to use "unleashed"
Damn, all thatâs missing is Epstein
and that Brazilian healer guy she kept telling women to go to...
If all your friends turn out to be flies, maybe youâre shit.
I'm going to remember this for my students lmao
"Remember class, if your friends do bad things it's because you are likely a bad person"
You're the company you keep. Kind sticks to kind. Birds of a feather ..... But wait! There's more!
I always say "one is the product of the company they keep". You wanna be different you may need to change who you interact with or how you do it
If your friends do A bad thing, you support and try to help them because you are a good friend.
If your friend is routinely a shitty person and you tolerate that shitiness and allow it around you repeatedly, then yes you are also a shitty person.
"Wow, my best friend John just can't seem to stop fighting homeless people downtown.... Anyway, can't wait to go downtown with John tomorrow!" kinda energy from that comment.
I think the Oprah - Oz - Phil relationship is more like say... Drake's record label.
Like... Sure their work doesn't totally reflect on her. But she could have had them reign it in. But didn't. Because money.
Idk.. Just playing devilâs advocate here but Oprah hosted an extremely influential talk show and has been in the spotlight for over 20 years now. She probably has surface relationships with hundreds of celebrities. It comes with the gig.
Iâm just saying Iâve never heard any news of Oprah herself having any controversial scandals.
Oprah elevating a bunch of quacks and scam artists on a national platform IS the scandal. These weren't random people her producers made her put on TV, these were people she put on TV herself because she drank their Kool-Aid.
This isnât about dr Phil or Dr Oz though. Itâs very pointedly about the four sex abusers pictured in the OP. Who Iâm sure saw Oprah a few times a year at star studded events where these pics were taken. Surely you donât believe she knows EVERYTHING about every single person she comes across? Thats foolish.
The problem with this type of post is that there are probably pictures like this with Oprah and every famous person of the last 40 years. You could just as easily put together a four picture collage to try and push that she only keeps company with paragons of virtue.
Either way itâs just a circle jerk of ignorance. I doubt any of these people consider her an actual friend the way normal people understand the concept. Like, does anybody really think she met up w Diddy for coffee on random days to talk about his relationship problems?
I'm not disagreeing, but who is the person on the bottom left? I recognize the others, asking you because you seem to know.
Russell Simmons, Co-founder of Def Jam Records. You can say he WAS the Oprah of Hip Hop in terms of influence, respect, and stature, for a time. His was the Motown Records of rap.
What Iâm saying is a lot of this is hindsight. Dr Phil wasnât a known piece of shit in 2001.
No but neither he nor Oz have ever been real, medical doctors. The point people are making is she displayed extremely poor judgement at the detriment of society at large. Morally, thereâs an expectation of some responsibility when one has such a wide-reaching and influential platform.
Oz was a real cardiothoracic surgeon at an ivy league university. But also an obvious self-serving POS from the jump.Â
Plus he developed and patented some pretty important procedures for treating heart disease, most notably the MitraClip.
Dr. OZ is a real Doctor and was considered one of the best Cardiologists in the world, he just has a huge God Complex more than most.
Yes, he is the epitome of a guy who is brilliant at one thing who believes that means he's brilliant on everything. He will give medical advice far outside his areas of study, and he is willing to tell any other medical professional to fuck off and that they're wrong. Oprah knows how to scout someone like that, they're great for the kind of spectacle-focused daytime TV she wants to make.
She interviewed and promoted thousands on a talk show -- not a news show. And, you single out 5 - 10 a-holes and she has a moral responsibility to society? This is a bizarre stance. Inconceivable, actually.
Oprah is co-creator of the Dr. Phil Show, and the sole creator of the Dr. Oz Show. She is more or less directly responsible for their rise to fame.
Thank you. She's an incredibly famous person who has probably taken a picture with almost every other famous person over the last 40 years. There are pictures of her with monsters and with saints. All it says about her is she's famous and met other famous people and posed for pictures. If she refused to pose for pictures she'd be dragged for that too.
John of God, Dr. Phil, Dr. Oz.
She didn't just "take pictures with them"
Also if youâre super rich, youâre friends with other super rich people, and the odds of super rich men being menaces to the world are high đ¤ˇđťââď¸
40 years
Everyday Iâm like itâs really easy to avoid hanging out with pedophiles and rapists when you arenât one
They missed one
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Fun fact, when Trump ran for President in 2000Â he wanted Oprah as his running mate.Â
this is incorrect there was a time trump had a lot of genuine black friends... idk what happened but people actually liked him at one point.
Did he have Black friends, or did he associate with rich Black people for his own personal gain?
I think the uncomfortable truth people keep ignoring is that wealth transcends race for a lot of people. Rich people associate with eachother and what race you are comes second. Same reason you get black people who get rich and suddenly become out of touch and cozy up with rich white people. Wealthy white people aren't exactly looking at working class white people as their "brethren" either.
So yeah I believe he had and likely still has some black friends. But optics are everything. Oprah could still chat to him on the phone once in the while for all we know but she's smart enough to know how it would look of she associated with him in public
Yeah look at Snoop and 50. Both of them helping Republicans because they worried about thier own millions and millions. Literal sellouts
Snoop will promote literally ANYTHING if you pay him
Someone will have to test that theory by seeing if heâll promote a kidâs movie with gay characters.
Exactly this, kinda weird transition but stay with me here: this is actually something X-Men comics explore through the Hellfire Club. Itâs a group of the most wealthy/powerful people in the world (who also have super powers) and even though most of them are mutants theyâll do shit like fund giant killer robots that will put all mutants in concentration camps before genociding them because theyâre rich and powerful enough that they can do that shit and very confidently assume it wonât effect them personally.
The rich will always cover each other before they cover someone whoâs powerless but happens to share a culture, an ethnicity, or a nation with them. Most of them would do it before shielding someone they shared blood with.
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Which is exactly why they fuel racial division. It's about destroying class solidarity. If poor people stopped hating each other over race, they might start hating the real culprits.
Self-interest transcends most issues for most people. This is one thing that Trump, for all he doesn't understand, understands incredibly well - the transactional nature of relationships.
Trump wants to make it extremely clear to everyone around him that he is a purely transactional entity - as long as you're willing to demonstrate your loyalty and value to him, he'll overlook any past transgression and throw his influence behind you. There is nothing that exists within the mind of Trump other than self-interest, and that's how he's able to entirely see beyond concepts that the rest of us in society are beholden to, like reality/truth, corruption, law, ethics etc.
He will never ask "Is this right/legal/true/acceptable/etc?", only "Will this benefit me?". This is the ugliest aspect of Trump's movement - he has illuminated just how many people in the US are, at their core, self-interested above all else, and wish they had the sociopathic apathy of Trump to be free from the constraints of living in a society.
lol that I don't know as it was before my time. I'm sure those former friends are either not surprised at his behavior or shooketh all these years later.
Agree, he likely only used them for his own gain.
People never actually liked him. He was hated all thought the 90s and 2000s. I personally can't comment on the 80s but have to assume it's the same.
Same in the 80s. He was the symbol of excess, and had bad hair. Of course a segment of the population viewed him as "success" and people wanted to be seen with him and associate with him because they craved the lifestyle, but he was a joke to the average American.
Don't forget that stupid red power tie. That's the first way I learned how to recognize him as a child.
When the Muppets make fun of you, you have done something very, very wrong.
He was such a piece of shit in the 80's that the creators of Back To The Future are on record saying they wrote Alt-Biff as a Trump surrogate.
Donât forget his daddy . That shit is generational.
He was very specifically despised in NYC. The rest of the country viewed him sort of the way we viewed kim kardashian in the 2010s. A representation of mindless excess and greed and gaudiness... but he still had a lot of fans and people who admired that.
People didn't like him, he's been a cartoon character on TV since the 80s.
Nah. He just had rehabbed his image from the 70s and was better at hiding his shit cuz he wasnt in the public spotlight as much. Dude has always been a racist, raping, shitbag.Â
im surprised...given what happened with the central park five.
He looks soooo uncomfortable! You can tell by the eyes, he mentally checked out and went to his happy place cuz hugging a fluffy black woman no matter how rich she is, was not on any bingo card for him.đ
or he's just on a LOT of drugs
You are referring to Jr (allegedly)âŚlolâŚiykykâŚ.
Sheâs a talk show host. This means nothing but this does
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Behind the Bastards has a six-parter on Oprah, if that gives you any clue.
Fun fact.
She got the same amount of parts as HENRY FUCKING KISSINGER
I think I remember in that podcast they spend some time mulling over if she deserves the six-partner lol. Whatever the case it's an interesting overview of her career
And also motherfucking Heinrich Himmler. She had enough material to be talked about for the same amount of time as one of historyâs greatest monsters. Wtf
Yeah but thatâs obviously because she was a person that hosted a show on tv for decades, among the internet and the paparazzi. There is a lot more accessible information about Oprah than historical figures that came around before the internet.
And because they give a lot of context about the world that made her, which I think is valuable because she is real unique given their normal subject matter.
Tbf they straight up said they arenât done with Himmler, they just didnât want to go longer than 6 episodes at a stretch on the guy and will probably come back to him later
This is the most dishonest representation of that series you could imagine.
They spent a lot of time trying to figure out if she even was a bastard. Like she did bad things, but she's just an influential person that has more written about her than Kissinger.
To be fair, some of the parts were dedicate to the genuine history and background of her childhood, and some of it was about her genuinely good work with some schools in Africa. She's not as purely evil as Kissinger was, but she's got a long complicated life that takes a while to unravel.
If I remember right, they still couldn't point a finger directly at any fuckery she's culpable of. Guilt by association is sort of the worst indictment against her -also the sensationalized content of her shows. She made her money shaming people for 90's era bullshit but so did everyone else...
She's always just above it, or just beyond reproach.
Their verdict was that she is a victim of some horrible things but she also platformed and enabled too many shitty people and trends to not also be labeled a bastard. Without her, we might not have ever gotten Joe Rogan on top of the bastards she was directly involved with.
Does she have a direct connection to Rogan?
I remember him from early Chappelle Show, The Man Show, and Fear Factor.
Not News Radio and the Carlos Mencia internet drama? If not for Mencia stealing jokes Rogan would still be failing as a standup.
As a teen from a working class family in Chicago, we loved her. However, as time went on, she aligned herself with folks in the âburbs living in McMansions with a household income in the 6 figures. Her average Christmas âfavorite thingsâ back then, ranged from $100 to $300+. She totally ignored the demographic that was there for her in the beginning & initially was tuning in while she building her empire. She made her coins while in Chicago, eventually closing her studio & is currently living her spiritual capitalistic, American dream. Good for her, but ask the real ones from Chicago back then, and they will tell you she ainât sh*t, for real.
I'm from Santa Barbara, where she lives, at least part time. She owns the biggest property in Montecito (I don't know if that includes Steadman's property next door or not). It's where Prince Harry moved to with Meghan. It's a celebrity enclave.
And I moved away because $1,500 a month to rent a room was too much, but I spent 30 years in this city, working, patronizing businesses, walking around town. You'd hear of Oprah sightings.. But nobody ever sees Oprah here. She's not a part of this community, she's not buying kids school lunches -but every construction worker you meet has worked on her estate. Pictures don't get out, she has security up the ass.
I 100% believe it. She ghosted the community that literally was there for her when the show was âAM Chicagoâ. No one in the âburbs gave a sh*t who this woman was in the beginning. She was one of us and we rooted for her success. She grew the show from that to the âOprah Winfrey Showâ based on her earlier demographic viewers. There may be a story or two of someone who interacted with her outside of Harpo Studios but other than that, she didnât bother to connect to the Chicago community for the duration she was here, unless it benefitted her show.
There were things that she was more directly responsible for endorsing, like the satanic panic, but a lot of platforming people that have themselves gone on to do really shitty things.
While they refuse to directly pin that responsibility on her, I am going to say that it could happen once or twice to anyone, but it happens so frequently with her - from shitty grifters like Dr. Oz, Dr. Phil or Jenny McCarthy - to legitimate grade-A pieces of shit like John of God.
The most telling part of any of this is that she has never publicly condemned or expressed any real remorse at who she platformed - nor the the effects that her putting a megaphone to huge grifts have had on society.
She is essentially a more successful and more influential version of Joe Rogan.
I think itâs mostly that she could have stopped a lot of it, but she chose not to so she could make a more interesting show
Riyadh Billâs takedown of her
And itâs an insane listen. I already assumed she was trash too but that series hit it home for me. Fuck Orpah.
Nice people donât go from being poor to a billionaire by being angels.
did you listen?
because they definitely didn't come out with "she's trash" as the conclusion.
The whole reason it was 6 parts is because there was so much nuance. Like, she did bad things
It's not that she was born a shit person. It's that she has been consistently doing harm for profit since she got a platform.
They did so many parts because they went deep into her childhood, not because she's Hitler.
And in those episodes, they say that while there's a lot to criticize her for, they explicitly say it's dumb to criticize her for these photos.
Thank you for adding that. Because it sucks how people use that as ammunition for "fuck oprah" when really it's just that she's super influential and has platformed some bad people. but she wasn't malicious.
And she has had a photo with every single person with power alive.
To say nothing of the three pairs of episodes about Dr Oz, Dr Phil, and John Of God, all of which came out long before they actually did the Ophrah series (and conveniently re-packaged together in one 7 hour marathon episode at the conclusion of the Oprah series if you have a lot of time to kill)
As I bring up every post I see about people discovering Oprah is shit: Chicago DJ Mancow Mueller back in the 90s talked about what a shitty person she is. So itâs been known to some of us for a while
Damn, and Mancow isn't exactly the pinnacle of society either
Look if my friend group SOMEHOW is made up of the worst people and I SOMEHOW didnât know?? That just says Iâm dumb or ignorant or both. Iâm probably a bad person
Simplest explanation and reasoning for Trump and Epstein
Either Trump knew and did nothing
Or was doing it too
Or his judgment in friends is so horrible...he is ignorant, dumb, and a bad person
I feel you on one hand, but on the other these are mega famous and rich people. They arenât on bs 24/7 bro lol. And thatâs not even defending Oprah cause sheâs trash but I kinda think that assumption just off some pics is a lot no?
I agree with you. Do you know how many other people probably have pictures with all these people? Theyâre famous and rich. Theyâre going to bump elbows. Oprah is terrible but pictures donât mean they hung out all the time or even said more than a sentence to each other.
Right? It was literally her job for 25+ years. She's done plenty of shitty things, but misinformed accusations like this really make people look bad.
Not to defend Oprah but taking pictures with people at events is hardly the most condemning evidence.
She has much more substantial connections with POS's like Dr. Phil and John of God. Promoting quack stuff like alt medicine, the satanic panic, and basically every other moral panic.
Celebs can be very tactical about photo opportunities. While I hear your point, there is a pattern of behaviour
You could get photos of Oprah with basically every celebrity. The pattern of behaviour is that she likes the camera.
I said a similar comment and then scrolled up and cringed at her kissing Weinstein. But I still agree with you
She's been around for literally 40 years lol. She has a photo with everyone.
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Also, the original tweet from "Dr Jebra Faushay" is like some weird far right meme account. Kinda surprised no one is pointing that out.
Oprah has always been for herself, sheâs just as selfish
Do you know who bottom left is? I tuned Orpah out years ago so I know the other three but am slightly OOTL on bottom left. Probably heard the name just not seen the face.
Edit: Russell Simmons, the Def Jam guy. I remember him. Signed the Beastie Boys back in the day. I also remember heâs the creep that married that young woman who recently complained her young daughter is dating an older man. Small world.
Russell Simmons one of the founders of Def Jam music. Currently in Bali (iirc) avoiding rape charges here in the US.
From his wiki
"A documentary film about the sexual assault allegations against Simmons, On the Record, premiered at the Sundance Film Festival on January 25, 2020, and was released on HBO Max on May 27, 2020.[85] Oprah Winfrey withdrew as executive producer of the film, after having been pressured by Simmons to cancel the release,[86] eventually stating there were "inconsistencies" in Drew Dixon's story that "gave me pause"."
That's that Simmons dude that started phat farm. Then did some weird sexual shit, I forget what, then bailed to an island to avoid extradition
Not weird sexual shit, heinous sexual shit as I've been corrected
Way more than just "weird sexual shit". 6 different rape and 7 sexual assault allegations, some of which were from minors.
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She literally platformed Dr Phil, Dr Oz, and Jenny McCarthy. She's a vile piece of shit.
To be fair how many people could you professionally endorse today and never ever have it come back to bite you even after thorough social media sleuthing
It's almost like you should fucking vet someone before you present them to the world as credible and give them a platform. This isn't like Dr Phil had a secret sex dungeon nobody new about. Everything he did and stood for was always exploitative and his approach from like day 1 was unethical. She either deliberately or dispassionately platformed that without giving a shit because it made her some extra money and helped her build a "media empire"
Stop making excuses for shitty people.
You're just tossing around Reddit-speak buzzwords while displaying zero knowledge of Dr Phil's actual history.
His show didn't exist prior to Oprah platforming him - in fact, it was 4 years later.
They met when Dr Phil's Courtroom Science firm helped her defend against a defamation suit brought on by Texas beef ranchers. During the case, she learned more about Phil and his practical, no-nonsense self-help approach called "Pathways". And she thought he'd be a good guest.
Nothing about this was exploitative and his appearances on Oprah were not either. You're just retrofitting outrage with a nice dose of confirmation bias - and, frankly, a little envy for successful people. 'They are all shitty IRL!'
Careful, bringing information and context to the reactionaries on reddit...
Did anyone consider them problematic when she was platforming them?
Why is she responsible for what grown men do and say years after she was involved with them?
Oz and Phil were well respected in the early 2000s not sure about Jenny.
Don't come over to this thread with your critical thinking...
Knee-jerk reactions only!
These are the same people who believed that Trump and Hillary were friends because there were a few pictures of them at public events
Edit: her race and sex have nothing with my belief of innocent until proven guilty
By their logic, Jay Leno is also a massive piece of shit because he's interviewed nearly every one of those men himself. Shocker, some of the people that Oprah interviewed over her 25 year career ended up being awful people.
There are plenty of reasons to hate Oprah, but this one is just cherry picked to fuel the reddit hate boner.
Yep, Oprah is no flawless person but piling on her is a Reddit pastime.
No doubt those elements are there but this doesn't render her immune from genuine criticisms about her, like her endorsement of pseudoscience and other problematic behaviours during her career.
Meaning she was just a semi uneducated person with a platform ... This statement probably applies to 90 plus percent of people on TV from the '90s to 2000s... Even worse today probably
These are the same people who say Beyonce has Aaliyah killed
There are definitely some bad things you can say about Oprah, but sheâs probably been photographed with thousands of celebrities. Obviously some of those people are going to turn out to be problematic.
Oprah was absolutely vile to the people of Maui. Never forget.
Iâm so grateful to see someone talking about this. More people need to know sheâs not just guilty by association, she has caused irreparable damage.
The entire thread is people saying she can't be guilty just by association so smugly and then saying "ugh everyone is just parroting reddit talking points," when they have 0 knowledge of anything she's done. They're just washing any gunk off her career for free, no questions asked.
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Oprah Winfrey (pictured with Trump in 1988 in Atlantic City) wrote Trump a letter saying 'too bad we're not running for office, what a team'
I believe everything Wendy Williams said about Oprah.. she wasnât wrong about Diddy
Wendy Williams is equally garbage as a person, if not worse.
Seeing her making fun of people with cleft lip, and then seeing her deform in real time since then has been very satisfying to say the least.
Right??? Thereâs gossiping and sharing tea and then thereâs just being downright nasty. I wish her peace in this stage of her life, but that doesnât take away from the fact some of the horrible things sheâs said and done to others
ohhh what wendy say
Feeling bad for a billionaire is something I canât comprehend.
She is mega rich and a celeb, you will find her with pictures of high profile people. This really doesn't prove anything. I hate that y'all do this
there are no ethical billionaires
Oprah is an opportunist?! đ
This is so dumb. Pretty sure Oprah has pictures with everybody.
wait wait wait
hehe, yeah ok lmao
ABAB All billionaires are bogus
Woman can be pieces of trash too.
Apologies for my ignorance but whoâs bottom left?
It has always about class. Not saying race and gender issues arenât real, they are, but the top 1% is using that as a smokescreen for the real issue.
Class.
IF enough Americans ever willingly choose to eject themselves out of the matrix, they will bring the final part of the equation.
Warfare.
Buuuut weâre too complacent to ever really get to French levels of a revolution lesbereal