This was the first season I watched real time, but I jumped in towards the end. My question is the whole Kyle outing with his suggestion they should form an alliance based on race, what was that like watching on the feeds? Was it like the Rylie thing this last season where it was obvious to everyone on the feeds? I'm curious, and also I'm realizing this is one of my favorite seasons. Especially interesting re-watching it knowing the outcome!
It wasn’t like Rylie at all.
Rylie was genuinely weird/scary to watch.
Kyle just let his paranoia run rampant, Brittany/Michael didn’t really dissuade the notion to Kyle, and then they took the moral high ground later when he turned on the Leftovers during Dyre Fest. “Bigger than the game”
The conversations were more like, “What if there’s a Cookout 2.0 forming? We should form a counter alliance” then Michael and Brittany said something about how they couldn’t do that because of the “optics”
Kyle was ignorant, no doubt. But Michael and Brittany’s explanation was basically the worst interpretation of their conversations.
Michael/Brittany told Monte. Who told Terrence who misinterpreted it, and then told Kyle that Michael/Brittany tried to form an all white alliance.
Then he talked to Alyssa, who told him that she’d been told that Kyle wanted to form an alliance to get out the minorities in the house.
He then went to the DR and feeds were cut for a WHILE.
By that point, the dust had settled and nobody was happy.
Then Terrence proposed voting out Taylor so Kyle could learn from his mistakes lol
Wait, I swear I just watched this season….so Terrance made a huge fit but still offered Taylor up for eviction? That man HATED her…what is his problem 😒
He definitely didn’t like Taylor, but he’d also just been told about the Leftovers during Dyrefest and they’d formed the Outsiders with himself, Kyle, Alyssa and Turner.
Turner won HOH so I think he also knew it was gonna be him on the chopping block next if they voted out Kyle.
Imagine Turner nominating Monte and Taylor after being told about Kyle’s CO 2.0 theory. Optics wouldn’t have been great for Turner.
And at first Turner was still kinda down to nominate Monte but Michael/Brittany were pretty clear how that would look to Turner.
Also, Michael/Brittany were considering voting out Monte inside and had just voted out Jasmine.
If it was REALLY “bigger than the game” Michael could have kept Kyle inside instead of Monte and nominated him and voted him out.
Thank you!! This is so well summarized. It definitely seemed capitalized on with the timing by Michael & Brittany. And Kyle handled it really, really well. I do think he was just ignorant to his words and how they could be perceived. I feel like the DR gave some solid media training! The conversations between him and the other house guests in that episode were really, really powerful!
Totally, and he was a recruit whose only exposure was BB23. Even X came out and said it’d be dumb for them to not even consider it, after the Cookout was so successful the prior season.
Plus Taylor said she didn’t want to nominate Jasmine on her HOH explicitly because she was a black woman. She wanted Kyle to use the veto so they could vote out Alyssa.
So he was ignorant in his speculation, but it wasn’t completely unfounded speculation either.
lol Terrance was such a gross disgrace
god i hated terrance so much and this just reminds me of it, that man hated taylor so bad for no reason and wouldn’t let go of it
I remember watching this live on the feeds. I really wish they hadn;t cut them.
I mean he straight up said it so yeah it was obvious.
I more meant like was it said enough that people were really upset about it the way feeders were upset about Rylie this season. Just wish I followed it all in real time!
Oh it was way worse than Riley. #kyleisracist was trending on Twitter for days.
There's a lot about Kyle that gets left out by missing out on the live feeds. The Cookout 2.0 conversation was brought up multiple times. The hashtag StopProtectingKyle was constantly trending on BB Twitter because the edit on the episodes ignored it until they couldn't anymore.
Another big thing is that people will watch the episodes and see the Leftovers wanting Kyle to get Alyssa backdoored and think it's a ridiculous request. But in actuality, Kyle was the one who wanted Alyssa out the most originally (and very likely would not have used the veto on her if Daniel didn't use it).
I wouldn’t compare it to Rylie. Kyle was just kind of a dumbass, and people thought his theory was stupid and low key racist, but like… Kyle had already established himself as a dumbass, and wasn’t intentionally being racist. People were way, WAY more upset with Michael and Brittany for keeping it to themselves until it benefited them.
A lot of people wanted them to tell Taylor and Monte right away. I felt like they were in a tough position and gave them the benefit of the doubt at first, but what Michael did was scummy.
I want to say they did not really address it in the edit until they just had to. Like, I feel like Michael really tried to discourage this line of thinking, and Kyle persisted, then Michael used the information against him to benefit himself. The whole thing was ick, but a different kind of ick.
Yeah I was wondering if the delayed edit in the show was partially because there was external pressure to address it. I mean obviously first and foremost because Michael & Brittany didn't say anything until they had too (not cool!), but I'm also curious if DR rooms encouraged it coming out because they knew it needed to be discussed on the show.
Kyle lived in a bubble in Utah, under a rock sheltered childhood thrown into the BB house. He genuinely just had no fucking clue about life lol
Lame, Kyle was a Recruit and his only Exposure to the Big Brother game was s23 in pre-game Sequester, the only season that had the Race alliance.
It was a much different situation all together but yes feeders were pretty well aware and it only became a bigger situation with the feeders the more the producers tried to hide it.
Kyle was altogether just getting paranoid and it started to hit its peak right when I feel like he started to really like Alyssa and the Leftovers started calling for him to cut her. Michael and Brittney also got flack for the situation bc they knew and did the bare minimum to dissuade him before he let it get so far.
I feel like it was blown out of proportion and wasn’t that far out of a theory considering the year prior and how Taylor literally was not wanting to ever vote out Jasmine 🤷♂️even when Jasmine hated her guts
Yupp, Literally said she wasn't targeting her because she's a black woman, but told Kyle had to Evict his weak showmance, whaaat else is a Recruit that has only seen s23 supposed to think ..
I have a pretty good recollection of the bb24 and the whole Kyle situation. The short answer is yes, there was a lot of public criticism of Kyle and especially CBS for cutting the feeds to protect him constantly(cute that we had any expectations otherwise back then).
However, the fanbase was much more divided on Kyle compared to someone like Rylie. There were redeeming qualities about Kyle, and plenty of people defended him with the whole. "He's not racist, he's just speculating about a cookout style alliance." This defense of Kyle has some logic on the surface, but falls apart once he actively starts trying to form an "all-white" counter-alliance to the imaginary cookout 2.0.
This wasn't a one-time thing. He repeatedly discussed the idea with Michael and Brittany, who notably did NOT shut him down even when they knew the theory was complete nonsense. The way Michael and Brittany held onto the information until it benefitted them was also quite controversial. The discourse evolved throughout the season, in a way that is SIGNIFICANTLY more interesting than Rylie discourse could ever be. Obviously, some people just doubled down and gave Kyle top 3 AFP. But overall, Kyle is a great lesson in how unconscious biases can completely ruin the game of someone who was otherwise a pretty strong player. Rylie was more like Daniel Durston. Just straight up unpleasant to watch.