It now looks like AM4 was a golden-age in PC gamiing upgradeability and compatibility.
My 2nd PC is still running the X370 board I initially used with my R5 1600x (sold) and now an R7 3700x. I purchased it in 2017, with 16gb of RAM and a 256gb Samsung 960 Evo NVME, and have expanded with a 1tb NVME. It's still sufficient platform such that I could play any game in my recent/current playing list (including Expedition 33, Baldurs Gate 3, Oblivion Remastered, etc) - not perfectly, but sufficiently.
AM5 was going to be the same, but the DDR5 price-apocalypse is ruining that.
You had the right idea. I wish I'd grabbed 64gb of DDR5 when it was at its cheapest set for my next upgrade, but now I'm going to try and wait it out...
i got 32gb 5600cl40, not the best kit but it was the cheapest in the country at $80, most kits here started at $110
plus even with this "slow" ddr5 and 8400f they pair pretty nicely with a 4060ti
Same really kicking myself for not doing it earlier, couldve gone full upgrade but had to settle for a side grade, lets see how things unfold in a few years. Seems like the hobby might die, all I know is that I will not forget the companies that stood by consumers.
I'm going to add that there is an ongoing motherboard price apocalypse. In AM4 days, a $250 mobo wasn't a flagship but it was still very high-end. Now that price is for low-end boards, and the high-end is $400-600, with thousand-dollar flagships.
And GPUs are well into a pricing apocalypse. Sure prices were inching up in 2017 when the AM4 platform launched; flagships had hit $700, up from $500 only a few years prior... but today the high-end is $1000+, with a $1999 MSRP flagship that only very rarely has sold for under $2500. Even a midrange GPU costs $650+, and its only advantage over the generation before it is the fact that the same performance used to cost more. With some cards, the previous generation performed exactly the same and cost exactly the same. (Looking at you, RTX 5070, you absolute donkey!)
CPU as well. Sure Intel Core was terrible in one respect for keeping everyone on 4 cores for a decade, but at least the price of an i7 remained at roughly $250-350 through that entire period, and anyone who owned an old i7 was feeling very little reason to spend another $250 after a few years had passed. Today, $250 is the realm of low-end processors (9600X costs more than that!), while the flagships of Intel and AMD command MSRPs of $589 and $699, respectively. It has been speculated that top Zen 6 will reach $1000.
Even outside of the AI bubble's effects, PC pricing has succumbed to the "line go up" mentality. Prices must rise so the line goes up, even if peoples' incomes don't rise with it.
I think AM5 is going to be the same, as long as they get a few generations more out of it. Many people got AM5 before the ram price increase, so they can freely upgrade their cpus while not touching their MBs or RAM. But yeah, the new MB sales right now will probably be much lower than AM4s because of the ram.
I don't think AM5 will ever beat the AM4 in value after what's transpired of late, DDR5 may go down in price again but that's prolly years in the future, where DDR7 is already a thing.
I bought my PC 6 years ago, just before the GPU crisis (wtf that was like 2 yea- nevermind) and cuz I was a poor student I got a ryzen 2700 with 8GB ram. Now, I still use the same board with 5800x and 32gb ram plus rx6800 16gb and something around 6TB in storage. All that in a sleeper build.
Eh am5 was shit expensive even before the price hike. I bought a 5800x3d when it was current gen for 360€ a this gen equivalent of 9800x3d costs 490€. Ddr5 ram was already more expensive than ddr4. And a am5 motherboard rarely went bellow 200€ too so all in all it was almost twice as expensive as am4 was and yet again that was before the price hikes.
You're forgetting that for LGA 1200 the 11th gen chips were only supported by the H470 and above in the 4x0 series motherboards, B460 and below only supported 10th gen chips.
I know of this because I had a B460 motherboard and had the opportunity to upgrade to 11th gen cpu for very cheap, but couldn't do it. I wouldn't be surprised if there are similar things in other platforms
Also forgetting that 12+ core chip Zen 3 was not supported by X370/B350/A320 until pressure from the public forced AMD to expand AGESA compatibility to the older chipsets. Which happened AFTER I went and bought a new motherboard.
AMD was so smart to not be greedy and forced mobos to make new chipsets for each new generation of processor, I did hear intel is following suite with multi generational mobo designs but like it’s stupid I’m sure it will be for like 3 generations where most people wait 4-6 before upgrading.
There was literally no reason for Intel to pull the bulshit with LGA 1200 And LGA 1151 where certain motherboards don't support CPUs that go in the same socket, AM4 just works.
However Ryzen didn't start getting really good until the third generation, but, it was really affordable for the first and second generation. So the early adopters actually benefited from a very long life cycle of their motherboard.
Ryzen 1000 and 2000 were good enough for most people and consumers were also beginning to experience Intel fatigue around that time and wanted anything to jump from their sandy bridge/ivy bridge/haswell builds to anything that wasn't Intel.
I remember when the ryzen 1000 and 2000 started getting popular people were amazed AMD was actually becoming competitive with Intel in competitive shooter games.
On content creation and productivity, the 3000 series were already unbeatable, only hampered in gaming until the 5000 series arrived, that being said, the 2000 series were what many of those in the AM4 userbase started being unbeatable in price-performance value, and as it was the maturation of the first generation 1000 line, it fixed a lot of the issues of that plagued the first generation.
Ryzen 5 2600 (and the X version) were fantastic budget picks in 2019, very affordable and still hold up extremely well today! Definitely one of the best cpu generations so far
And Intel does it again next generation. This time only one generation on socket 1851 … worse than ever. And who in their right mind decides this aweful socket naming scheme for Intel?!
LGA 1200 is honestly the worst of this bunch.
Not only was Comet Lake literally just another Skylake refresh but with slightly more cores than Coffee Lake Refresh, but Rocket Lake after that was not even really an upgrade, straight up regressing in a lot of areas.
To quote Steve, "waste of sand".
Super Socket 7: Take Intel's old socket, add features to it like 100 MHz FSB and support more voltages and multipliers. and it's backward compatible with any Socket 7 CPU!
Slot A: Flip Intel's slot 1 part, add our own pinout and a bus protocol from mainframes and call it a day.
Socket A/462: New design, but with features that can work for future CPUs. Intel's probably gonna obsolete theirs (Even the Pentium 4 line came on three different sockets in the desktop market - the bodged Socket 423, the 478 and then 775 late in life).
AMD had some socket confusion around the initial AMD64s though (940, 939 and 754) - After that came the AM socket series.
AM2 and AM3 had "+" versions for newer CPUs but could run older ones for the non-"+" socket. A brilliant idea when the competitor basically shits out a new socket for every minor change.
AM4 just lasted a very long time - it's a very solid and reliable socket design that really shows how AMD thinks a bit ahead these days.
AM5, we'll have to see - especially concerning the RAM shortages... I'm still somewhat hopeful that someday I can upgrade mine to a Ryzen 10K or whatever they're gonna call it.
AM6?, Likely not gonna happen unless the RAM market cools down and stabilizes - some of us will get stupidly cheap DDR5 RAM whenever AI moves on to DDR6 (or - hopefully - fails with an impressive bang) and the corps sell out their insane stocks of DDR5. I'm counting that one to arrive no earlier than 2028 or even 2030 - whenever the general population can again afford new RAM, plus a bit so that folks can also afford an upgrade.
But I'll give this to AMD - they are friggin' socket wizards if anything. I'm sure there will be some improved cores for AM4 and AM5 to come for at least a few years yet. They have the chance now to stab Intel really hard and twist the knife inside the wound.
The RAM shortage will then be followed by the "size wars" - who can make the smallest components before we cannot make them any smaller (3-4 nm is already stupidly close to the smallest possible component size). That's the last stop we take before going to newer CPU tech (likely photonic CPUs).
As a dev, I'm happy actually. At least for some time, the sloppy coders will be forced to actually make the programs perform! The hardware doesn't keep up anymore.
In 2017, I bought X370 intent on upgrading CPUs down the line. When I learned in 2018 that something called X3D was coming, I wanted it so so bad!
Then in 2020 I learned X3D would not come to AM4. I didn't want to wait for another two years for AM5, so I bought a 5900X. But it turned out that 12+ core Zen 3 processors weren't compatible with my X370, so I had to buy an X570 motherboard with it. (Ugh, why couldn't we get BIOSes that would support it?? Many X370 had large enough memory to include code for both old and new processors, and/or had no-CPU BIOS update options so users could swap back and forth if needed.)
Then in 2021 AMD improved forwards-compatibility and my X370 mobo could host the new CPU. (Ugh, why not earlier?! Why did they lie to us about compatibility??)
Then in 2022 AMD decided to release 5800X3D on AM4. (Ugh, why not earlier?! Why did they lie to us about X3D??)
If I already had the CPU (5800x3d's aren't good value atm) then I'd update the bios and use it. The 5800X3D doesn't use much power so even lower tier boards can handle it.
There are some more features on B550, but nothing significant. (eg 2 more USB ports, 2 more SATA ports)
AMD has a lot more confusion with mobile processors and their deactivated Cezanne APUs sharing the same generational code as Vermeer causes confusion in regards to performance.
The 5500 is a popular chip but it's garbage for a 5000 series since it came from an APU, but those who don't understand the differences wouldn't understand how it doesn't fit in well. It's a lot worse than just being slower than a 5600, it's substantially worse of a total package. Less cache, no PCI-e 4, Zen2 performance, etc.
The 5700 is worse because you'd think it was just a downclocked 5700X, but they aren't even the same architecture. It's Zen3, but it's Cezanne, which is still barely better than Matisse in actual performance, due to cache, similar clock speeds, similar latency, etc.
Cezanne just doesn't have any business not having a suffix letter, it should've been 5000F or something else to stand out better. The only benefit of Cezanne is that they were more monolithic than Matisse so in some regards, there was less latency but hardly an improvement.
that 1151-2 situation was when they didnt even bother to actually change anything, just repurposed a few pins to make it artificially incompatible, u could put a tape on these and it woul work lol
I sure did! Had a 3600 with an RX 5700 mid-range build in the end of 2018.
If I had to choose an low budget build right now, I'd still choose an AM4 MOBO to start with and get the cheapest six or eight core CPU. With anything from intel, the motherboard puts a low ceiling on what one could upgrade to.
Newer bios revisions and the general better software support of many core CPUs have helped old ryzen. While the quad cores from 2015 aged more than an eight-core early ryzen. (CPU security mitigations have hit Intel hard too)
Ofc, I know people who are still perfectly content with their quad core sandy bridge systems. If you system does what you want it to do, the rest is just benchmarking FOMO.
I have Ryzen 1000 system it was bad, really bad about memory compatibility, anything not JDEC can't run, but it have Unique capability to run ECC so I end up buy ECC UDIMM and turn it into a NAS
it's not about the socket type, but the form factor. you need a different socket to upgrade to certain generations. with AM4 you can just update your BIOS and chuck in a new CPU most of the time, that's all
Dude you don’t need to upgrade a 24c chip. You guys think linear. You have to keep updating 8 core chips with higher TWP. That’s why you think this way lmao
AM4 doesn't even have 24c CPU, so what are you talking about? (eg. Ryzen 1700 to Ryzen 5800X3D is eight core to eight core upgrade but double the performance.)
It now looks like AM4 was a golden-age in PC gamiing upgradeability and compatibility.
My 2nd PC is still running the X370 board I initially used with my R5 1600x (sold) and now an R7 3700x. I purchased it in 2017, with 16gb of RAM and a 256gb Samsung 960 Evo NVME, and have expanded with a 1tb NVME. It's still sufficient platform such that I could play any game in my recent/current playing list (including Expedition 33, Baldurs Gate 3, Oblivion Remastered, etc) - not perfectly, but sufficiently.
AM5 was going to be the same, but the DDR5 price-apocalypse is ruining that.
luckly i got into am5/ddr5 before the price increase, i cheaped out the cpu (8400f) just so i could be on am5 and upgrade the cpu later
You had the right idea. I wish I'd grabbed 64gb of DDR5 when it was at its cheapest set for my next upgrade, but now I'm going to try and wait it out...
i got 32gb 5600cl40, not the best kit but it was the cheapest in the country at $80, most kits here started at $110 plus even with this "slow" ddr5 and 8400f they pair pretty nicely with a 4060ti
Same really kicking myself for not doing it earlier, couldve gone full upgrade but had to settle for a side grade, lets see how things unfold in a few years. Seems like the hobby might die, all I know is that I will not forget the companies that stood by consumers.
WE ALL SHOULD REMEMBER
I'm going to add that there is an ongoing motherboard price apocalypse. In AM4 days, a $250 mobo wasn't a flagship but it was still very high-end. Now that price is for low-end boards, and the high-end is $400-600, with thousand-dollar flagships.
And GPUs are well into a pricing apocalypse. Sure prices were inching up in 2017 when the AM4 platform launched; flagships had hit $700, up from $500 only a few years prior... but today the high-end is $1000+, with a $1999 MSRP flagship that only very rarely has sold for under $2500. Even a midrange GPU costs $650+, and its only advantage over the generation before it is the fact that the same performance used to cost more. With some cards, the previous generation performed exactly the same and cost exactly the same. (Looking at you, RTX 5070, you absolute donkey!)
CPU as well. Sure Intel Core was terrible in one respect for keeping everyone on 4 cores for a decade, but at least the price of an i7 remained at roughly $250-350 through that entire period, and anyone who owned an old i7 was feeling very little reason to spend another $250 after a few years had passed. Today, $250 is the realm of low-end processors (9600X costs more than that!), while the flagships of Intel and AMD command MSRPs of $589 and $699, respectively. It has been speculated that top Zen 6 will reach $1000.
Even outside of the AI bubble's effects, PC pricing has succumbed to the "line go up" mentality. Prices must rise so the line goes up, even if peoples' incomes don't rise with it.
It feels like AMD just decided to kill its consumer wing because we can't give them the profits they so desire. It's disgusting.
I can't call out AMD or Intel or nVidia more than the other right now - they are all doing the same: Selling Shovels during a Gold Rush.
It sucks.
Yup. They're all so bad.
imagine the upgrade path if they bring back the 5800X3D! truly remarkable from zen 1 to
zen 4zen3 X3D5000 series is zen3 though.
Zen+ and skipping 4000 series was stupid
I think AM5 is going to be the same, as long as they get a few generations more out of it. Many people got AM5 before the ram price increase, so they can freely upgrade their cpus while not touching their MBs or RAM. But yeah, the new MB sales right now will probably be much lower than AM4s because of the ram.
I don't think AM5 will ever beat the AM4 in value after what's transpired of late, DDR5 may go down in price again but that's prolly years in the future, where DDR7 is already a thing.
Someone doesnt remember the ddr4pocalypse
I bought my PC 6 years ago, just before the GPU crisis (wtf that was like 2 yea- nevermind) and cuz I was a poor student I got a ryzen 2700 with 8GB ram. Now, I still use the same board with 5800x and 32gb ram plus rx6800 16gb and something around 6TB in storage. All that in a sleeper build.
https://preview.redd.it/4jrq4asln9dg1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b3007e38fa393c7860621eb269a9bceb41b99aa0
Don't mind the mess please. It was still WIP.
Currently running a (ultra diy) custom waterloop, with radiator instead of the HDD bay in front.
Eh am5 was shit expensive even before the price hike. I bought a 5800x3d when it was current gen for 360€ a this gen equivalent of 9800x3d costs 490€. Ddr5 ram was already more expensive than ddr4. And a am5 motherboard rarely went bellow 200€ too so all in all it was almost twice as expensive as am4 was and yet again that was before the price hikes.
You're forgetting that for LGA 1200 the 11th gen chips were only supported by the H470 and above in the 4x0 series motherboards, B460 and below only supported 10th gen chips.
Yes I did forget, it's even worse then.
I know of this because I had a B460 motherboard and had the opportunity to upgrade to 11th gen cpu for very cheap, but couldn't do it. I wouldn't be surprised if there are similar things in other platforms
Also forgetting that 12+ core chip Zen 3 was not supported by X370/B350/A320 until pressure from the public forced AMD to expand AGESA compatibility to the older chipsets. Which happened AFTER I went and bought a new motherboard.
11th gen was such a joke.
Still rocking my old AM4 motherboard, but now with a 5800X
Same, upgraded CPU twice since I bought this board. Never even considered Intel simply because my motherboard already supported AMD.
This is how you capture a market. Provide good value and positively incentivize consumers to stick with your product.
Ive got two b350 systems deployed
What's more amusing, folks found that they could get 8000/9000 CPUs to work on the rev1 of 1151 by jumping / disabling pins...
LGA 775 / 771's tape modding was back on the menu, boys!
Also requires a BIOS mod but yes it's possible
Still rocking AM4 and will be for a while considering the RAM prices. Upgraded from an r5 3600 to a 5700x last year. Overclocked pretty decently too.
5700x alongside my RTX 5070 and I can play pretty much anything at 1440p max settings
AMD was so smart to not be greedy and forced mobos to make new chipsets for each new generation of processor, I did hear intel is following suite with multi generational mobo designs but like it’s stupid I’m sure it will be for like 3 generations where most people wait 4-6 before upgrading.
I'm still using my B350 and Ryzen 5 1600X, though I'm looking to upgrade in the near future.
There was literally no reason for Intel to pull the bulshit with LGA 1200 And LGA 1151 where certain motherboards don't support CPUs that go in the same socket, AM4 just works.
Am4 is the goat. It’s why I’ve stuck with am4 for so long and amd in general.
my 5700x+b550 and 3600+b450 still going choo choo
Started with a asrock 370 pro 4 and a x1700 and ended with a 5700x3d.
Feels werid being that i picked that board up for cheap back in 2018.... at this rate it will be 10 years old and still holding strong.
However Ryzen didn't start getting really good until the third generation, but, it was really affordable for the first and second generation. So the early adopters actually benefited from a very long life cycle of their motherboard.
Ryzen 1000 and 2000 were good enough for most people and consumers were also beginning to experience Intel fatigue around that time and wanted anything to jump from their sandy bridge/ivy bridge/haswell builds to anything that wasn't Intel.
I remember when the ryzen 1000 and 2000 started getting popular people were amazed AMD was actually becoming competitive with Intel in competitive shooter games.
i remember when something like ryzen 1600 AF + gtx 1660 was the budget combo
On content creation and productivity, the 3000 series were already unbeatable, only hampered in gaming until the 5000 series arrived, that being said, the 2000 series were what many of those in the AM4 userbase started being unbeatable in price-performance value, and as it was the maturation of the first generation 1000 line, it fixed a lot of the issues of that plagued the first generation.
Yeah all my systems are still AM4. A 3700X was my server CPU for quite some time because it was performative, and sipped power.
Ryzen 5 2600 (and the X version) were fantastic budget picks in 2019, very affordable and still hold up extremely well today! Definitely one of the best cpu generations so far
Sure did
More like from the 5th generation.
Am4 era was peak
Ryzen 4000 was called Renoir ? Nice
And Intel does it again next generation. This time only one generation on socket 1851 … worse than ever. And who in their right mind decides this aweful socket naming scheme for Intel?!
LGA 1200 is honestly the worst of this bunch.
Not only was Comet Lake literally just another Skylake refresh but with slightly more cores than Coffee Lake Refresh, but Rocket Lake after that was not even really an upgrade, straight up regressing in a lot of areas.
To quote Steve, "waste of sand".
That was when they switched from soldered IHS to toothpaste, right?
Yep, I built my pc in 2018 with a b450 and a 2400G, now currently running the same motherboard with a 5800x
AMD are socket wizards in their own right.
Super Socket 7: Take Intel's old socket, add features to it like 100 MHz FSB and support more voltages and multipliers. and it's backward compatible with any Socket 7 CPU!
Slot A: Flip Intel's slot 1 part, add our own pinout and a bus protocol from mainframes and call it a day.
Socket A/462: New design, but with features that can work for future CPUs. Intel's probably gonna obsolete theirs (Even the Pentium 4 line came on three different sockets in the desktop market - the bodged Socket 423, the 478 and then 775 late in life).
AMD had some socket confusion around the initial AMD64s though (940, 939 and 754) - After that came the AM socket series.
AM2 and AM3 had "+" versions for newer CPUs but could run older ones for the non-"+" socket. A brilliant idea when the competitor basically shits out a new socket for every minor change.
AM4 just lasted a very long time - it's a very solid and reliable socket design that really shows how AMD thinks a bit ahead these days.
AM5, we'll have to see - especially concerning the RAM shortages... I'm still somewhat hopeful that someday I can upgrade mine to a Ryzen 10K or whatever they're gonna call it.
AM6?, Likely not gonna happen unless the RAM market cools down and stabilizes - some of us will get stupidly cheap DDR5 RAM whenever AI moves on to DDR6 (or - hopefully - fails with an impressive bang) and the corps sell out their insane stocks of DDR5. I'm counting that one to arrive no earlier than 2028 or even 2030 - whenever the general population can again afford new RAM, plus a bit so that folks can also afford an upgrade.
But I'll give this to AMD - they are friggin' socket wizards if anything. I'm sure there will be some improved cores for AM4 and AM5 to come for at least a few years yet. They have the chance now to stab Intel really hard and twist the knife inside the wound.
The RAM shortage will then be followed by the "size wars" - who can make the smallest components before we cannot make them any smaller (3-4 nm is already stupidly close to the smallest possible component size). That's the last stop we take before going to newer CPU tech (likely photonic CPUs).
As a dev, I'm happy actually. At least for some time, the sloppy coders will be forced to actually make the programs perform! The hardware doesn't keep up anymore.
My popcorn is ready - I hope yours is too 😉
Thank you for this. I wasn't familiar with AMD's platforms prior to AM4.
In 2017, I bought X370 intent on upgrading CPUs down the line. When I learned in 2018 that something called X3D was coming, I wanted it so so bad!
Then in 2020 I learned X3D would not come to AM4. I didn't want to wait for another two years for AM5, so I bought a 5900X. But it turned out that 12+ core Zen 3 processors weren't compatible with my X370, so I had to buy an X570 motherboard with it.
(Ugh, why couldn't we get BIOSes that would support it?? Many X370 had large enough memory to include code for both old and new processors, and/or had no-CPU BIOS update options so users could swap back and forth if needed.)
Then in 2021 AMD improved forwards-compatibility and my X370 mobo could host the new CPU.
(Ugh, why not earlier?! Why did they lie to us about compatibility??)
Then in 2022 AMD decided to release 5800X3D on AM4.
(Ugh, why not earlier?! Why did they lie to us about X3D??)
Why did they skip A420???
They smoked it all.
Would you put a 5800x3d in a b350 motherboard or recommend upgrading to a b550 aswell?
If I already had the CPU (5800x3d's aren't good value atm) then I'd update the bios and use it. The 5800X3D doesn't use much power so even lower tier boards can handle it.
There are some more features on B550, but nothing significant. (eg 2 more USB ports, 2 more SATA ports)
https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/chipsets/am4.html#specs
Is having pcie 3.0 a problem?
For a GPU? No, not really if you have the full x16 slot. Some newer bioses also enable pcie 4.0 support, my b450 A-pro was like that.
I hate the new names of amd
AMD has a lot more confusion with mobile processors and their deactivated Cezanne APUs sharing the same generational code as Vermeer causes confusion in regards to performance.
The 5500 is a popular chip but it's garbage for a 5000 series since it came from an APU, but those who don't understand the differences wouldn't understand how it doesn't fit in well. It's a lot worse than just being slower than a 5600, it's substantially worse of a total package. Less cache, no PCI-e 4, Zen2 performance, etc.
The 5700 is worse because you'd think it was just a downclocked 5700X, but they aren't even the same architecture. It's Zen3, but it's Cezanne, which is still barely better than Matisse in actual performance, due to cache, similar clock speeds, similar latency, etc.
Cezanne just doesn't have any business not having a suffix letter, it should've been 5000F or something else to stand out better. The only benefit of Cezanne is that they were more monolithic than Matisse so in some regards, there was less latency but hardly an improvement.
It's extra funny because for ages everyone's been pretty sure Intel changes pin layouts specifically to sell more motherboards.
that 1151-2 situation was when they didnt even bother to actually change anything, just repurposed a few pins to make it artificially incompatible, u could put a tape on these and it woul work lol
LGA 1200 my beloved
Barttlet lake sooon
I hate AMD for acting like Nvidia Lite. But Intel sucks for their socket choices.
Most ppl jump on AM4 on Ryzen 3000
Almost no excuse to use Ryzen 2000 and prior as they are slower in most task compared to intel offering
They have very bad IO too, not to mention ram very picky,
People need to face that AM4 is not perfect, it has growing pain, and early adopter are the one paying it
I sure did! Had a 3600 with an RX 5700 mid-range build in the end of 2018.
If I had to choose an low budget build right now, I'd still choose an AM4 MOBO to start with and get the cheapest six or eight core CPU. With anything from intel, the motherboard puts a low ceiling on what one could upgrade to.
Newer bios revisions and the general better software support of many core CPUs have helped old ryzen. While the quad cores from 2015 aged more than an eight-core early ryzen. (CPU security mitigations have hit Intel hard too)
Ofc, I know people who are still perfectly content with their quad core sandy bridge systems. If you system does what you want it to do, the rest is just benchmarking FOMO.
I have Ryzen 1000 system it was bad, really bad about memory compatibility, anything not JDEC can't run, but it have Unique capability to run ECC so I end up buy ECC UDIMM and turn it into a NAS
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AM5 is LGA, AM4 is PGA.
Most of you morons don't even know that AM4 is PGA.
Do a better job next time.
AM4 LGA?
it's not about the socket type, but the form factor. you need a different socket to upgrade to certain generations. with AM4 you can just update your BIOS and chuck in a new CPU most of the time, that's all
Dude you don’t need to upgrade a 24c chip. You guys think linear. You have to keep updating 8 core chips with higher TWP. That’s why you think this way lmao
AM4 doesn't even have 24c CPU, so what are you talking about? (eg. Ryzen 1700 to Ryzen 5800X3D is eight core to eight core upgrade but double the performance.)
Intel. Dude not everyone just builds a PC to game lol. My 78003xd couldn’t even render hvec 265 files dude.
Buy a workstation dude
Way I had to build an Intel set up to even run premiere pro effectively.