Yeah same, was going for 5090 initially even. I realized that I don't like the fire hazard. And I don't like being squeezed in the balls for its price. 9070XT makes so much more sense.
Yeah. AI cores for FSR4. Raster not far off the 7900 XTX. Depends on your priorities. The 7900 XTX is the raw raster beast though, and with more memory.
Actually you want the 9070 XT. The 7900XTX is high end but last gen.The 9070 XT gives you 7900XTX raster performance and better ray tracing with lower power consumption.
Building it in a tiny TV cabinet, everything but the GPU is already ready and waiting. I got 3 140mm fans inflow through a dust filter, 2 140mm outflow fans. That's all I can have for space, it will have to do.
Its a right pain not gonna lie, but it affected 0.5% with only a few people reporting the issue, give it a few months when prices have stabilised and isn't being scalped which is what everyone should do, by that point the issue would pretty much be completely none existent
Absolutely agree, but we've all experienced or know someone that has experienced a DOA card, I know 3 people that had the 7900xtx being DOA, I've known a few people that had 40xx card being DOA as well. Yeah it's messed up how this managed to get through Q&A bit it happens.
But it's actually more likely to be a TSMC issue than Nvidia anyways, as that's where they test the dies to see if they match specification, it doesn't actually get tested by Nvidia themselves at all because they don't have their own fab.
I understand the ROP issue and would be fucking livid for receiving one, BUT, always there is a change of getting faulty PSU, CPU, GPU, MB, memory and so on. It is rare but so is the ROP thing, and that is why there is a RMA process.
200 I don't feel is worth getting the 5070ti over the 9070xt personally. FSR4 looks very good although actual reviews will tell a better story. Ray tracing isn't too bad either although definitely worse still.
Cheapest 5070ti ive found is 1200, so thats already almost 500 eur more than what 9070xt SHOULD sell at. But 9070xt, even with a pretty greedy markup, should still be better value for money. Now we wait for a week and see how will the dice fall.
I really wouldn't look at the prices now, they aren't realistic at all where they would be in a few months time when things settle down.
If you can get the 9070xt for around €750 and 5070ti is €900+ then I would go with the 9070xt personally from what we've seen, FSR4 finally look good, ray tracing is acceptable (path tracing yet to be seen it could be awful)
Yeah. Maybe its even better if I keep my 4070s and my gf keeps using my old r9 380x for now, because if she seriously gets into gaming shes gonna mess up her masters lol. This way shes somewhat limited by hardware. And I could legit sell my 4070s now at 100 eur more than what I paid for last summer, market is insane rn. But the plan was to give her the 4070s and get myself a stronger card.
Honestly it'll be a relatively minor upgrade of around 10-30% at most, so unless your gf wants a new card or you want to make the 100eur profit I see no reason tbh.
I'm on a rx6900 and to me there's just not enough performance increase to make it worth it, ideally I'd probably upgrade to the performance of the 4090/5080 but I'm not paying 1k+ for that so I'm gonna wait for the next AMD generation to come with UDNA
My 4070s is struggling right now to maintain 144 fps in my main game (path of exile). I mean game is made on a 15 year old engine thats terribly optimized, and when there is lots of extra stuff on the screen it actually tanks to 100ish fps. But going from r9 380x to 4070s is going to be a 574% upgrade in raster for gf's PC, according to techpowerup. It was barely a 1080p card back in early 2016 when I bought it.
But 9070xt is going to be a significant upgrade from 4070S (something like 40-45% in raster at 4k according to AMD) and it will actually have better RT.
Oh it'll be a game changer for your partner absolutely.
I don't think it'll be 40%+ in raster? That sounds far too much. From memory I think the 4080 was around 20% better than the 4070super I believe and the 7900xtx is only slightly faster than the 4080 by a few percent at most. 45% I think was getting closer 5080/4090 level
Hm pretty sure 7900GRE and 4070S are mostly neck to neck, and 9070xt is supposed to be around 40% better at 4k compared to GRE? Maybe I'm misremembering numbers. But still, if AMD actually improved their upscaling and all other fancy tech Nvidia usually beats them at, 9070xt could end up being a heavily discounted 5070ti. and it's not gonna be much of a tradeoff of raw raster vs. fancy tech.
Yes, but same could be said for 7900xtx on release, I bet not a lot of models were selling at 1000 usd.
I'm hoping we can actually get decent models of 9070xt for 800 eur. Because no way there are going to be less. If they are like 850-900 and its weaker than 7900xtx im just getting merc 7900xtx for 1000 lol.
The 5070 ti is 900€ if you can find one at that price, so the 9070 xt is still the better choice, also considering that the Nvidia alternative for around 700€ would be the 5070 which appears to be much slower.
Because my country sucks and have insane mark up price. Remember 7700xt and 7800xt ? The price diff was 50e for most peeps. Meanwhile i paid 700e for TUF version of 7700xt. The 7800xt was 850e when it came out. Now its 600e new. Thatz hww i calculated the price.
Id be happy for under 800 from amazon.de, cuz my country got 25% VAT. 850 would be realistic I guess, because we do get f*cked with pricing. I just cancelled my XTX order, so I got a 1000 eur "allowance".
Many countries have VAT, buddy. It's not just your authoritarian shithole. You're paying for a 600€ GPU and another 120€ for the privilege of buying a thing from a store in Naziland.
Seems its about 10% slower than the 9070xt and with worse rt capability, HUB has where the 9070xt lands in raster and rt relative to others cards in their new video
Don't worry, they're probably still too busy feeling smart after selling off their 40 series cards at a loss and laughing at people upgrading from a 10XX to a 5080.
Aliexpress will sell them directly, but it will be overpriced. Or order one on chinese mega online store(taobao) through a shopping service. The later would be the prefered option for me, you can choose any shipping company you want for example.
No reference card was the ons issue. AIBs be releasing OC versions only with insane prices with msrp models at the exact percentage of whatever AMD set the minimum was. 😂
I personally think all frame gen is garbage because of the latency. It's impossible to remove it because those generated frames don't have a signal from your mouse. Only the real frames respond to input. I rate a GPU on its rasterization performance. It's personal preference with that stuff
I am confused. 3 weeks ago you told me these cards are DOA because they release in mach and all of you guys are building new PC right now and must go nvidia now.
If you mean that they took the price of raster-equivalent RTX 5070TI, and ray traced equivalent somewhere between $549 5070 and $749 5070Ti, averaged those prices and subtracted $50 like they always do...
And that they didn't release a reference card at MSRP that could compete against AIB products thereby forcing them to at least somewhat adhere to the MSRP...
Then yes, they fucking did it. Again. Another DOA launch.
p.s. Path traced performance conveniently absent from any slides. I wonder why?
You're tripping. There is no $749 5070Ti. There isn't a founder's edition of that card so there never was. Even if there was and the 9070XT was equivalent to the 5070Ti it would still be -150$. Gamers don't care about RT. We care about raster.
And there won't be any $599 9070XT either (barring 5 at launch and never seen again, just like the 5070Ti's)
RT may not matter to you specifically, but I want my cinematic games, like Indianna Jones or Alan Wake or even something like The Last of Us, to look good.
I'm talking about both ray tracing and upscaling tech. But please continue to defend having games look like shit. After all, we al;l know there is a slider between "fun to play" and "looks good" and nothing can ever do both at once.
I can't speak for what availability will actually look like, but thus far it looks like "$1200 5070TI performance for only $600." If thats not a reason to buy AMD, you're welcome to wait however many years it'll be before you can get a 5070TI at MSRP.
I live in the US , 15 mins from a microcenter . Yes I can find one if I look . I bought a PS5 and Xbox Series x in the first month of release . Its not that hard to beat the scalpers . Was just waiting to see if AMD offered value at 5070 level but they didn't
Was considering a 5070ti in a few months, but now thinking I'm going with an 9070XT instead
Yeah same, was going for 5090 initially even. I realized that I don't like the fire hazard. And I don't like being squeezed in the balls for its price. 9070XT makes so much more sense.
That statement makes no sense.
If you are a high end customer you want the XTX not this.
Amd made quite clear that this is a lower tier product to that
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You have no numbers that support that.
AMD officially classifies it below the 900 Series and their charts dont show what you say.
They are clearing comparing these to the 7900 GRE in their lineup.
Yeah. AI cores for FSR4. Raster not far off the 7900 XTX. Depends on your priorities. The 7900 XTX is the raw raster beast though, and with more memory.
Yeah sorry, I'll have the big one indeed! Thanks for making me aware.
Actually you want the 9070 XT. The 7900XTX is high end but last gen.The 9070 XT gives you 7900XTX raster performance and better ray tracing with lower power consumption.
And cheaper
Dont forget to get about getting a good psu and case cooling
Building it in a tiny TV cabinet, everything but the GPU is already ready and waiting. I got 3 140mm fans inflow through a dust filter, 2 140mm outflow fans. That's all I can have for space, it will have to do.
Maybe wait until the reviews have come out. Lol
Yes, always!
I'd get 5070ti if you could actually get it for under 1000 eur. If 9070xt is around 800 for same performance, I'm soooo getting it.
5070ti with missing rops lmao bad choice if u have a brain
That was a tiny faulty batch that has now been fixed and if you did get it just RMA it.
RMA is always fun and convenient
Its a right pain not gonna lie, but it affected 0.5% with only a few people reporting the issue, give it a few months when prices have stabilised and isn't being scalped which is what everyone should do, by that point the issue would pretty much be completely none existent
Let's see if this happens to AMD
Shouldn't have to rma what shouldn't have made it through QA.
Absolutely agree, but we've all experienced or know someone that has experienced a DOA card, I know 3 people that had the 7900xtx being DOA, I've known a few people that had 40xx card being DOA as well. Yeah it's messed up how this managed to get through Q&A bit it happens.
But it's actually more likely to be a TSMC issue than Nvidia anyways, as that's where they test the dies to see if they match specification, it doesn't actually get tested by Nvidia themselves at all because they don't have their own fab.
I understand the ROP issue and would be fucking livid for receiving one, BUT, always there is a change of getting faulty PSU, CPU, GPU, MB, memory and so on. It is rare but so is the ROP thing, and that is why there is a RMA process.
200 I don't feel is worth getting the 5070ti over the 9070xt personally. FSR4 looks very good although actual reviews will tell a better story. Ray tracing isn't too bad either although definitely worse still.
Cheapest 5070ti ive found is 1200, so thats already almost 500 eur more than what 9070xt SHOULD sell at. But 9070xt, even with a pretty greedy markup, should still be better value for money. Now we wait for a week and see how will the dice fall.
I really wouldn't look at the prices now, they aren't realistic at all where they would be in a few months time when things settle down.
If you can get the 9070xt for around €750 and 5070ti is €900+ then I would go with the 9070xt personally from what we've seen, FSR4 finally look good, ray tracing is acceptable (path tracing yet to be seen it could be awful)
Yeah. Maybe its even better if I keep my 4070s and my gf keeps using my old r9 380x for now, because if she seriously gets into gaming shes gonna mess up her masters lol. This way shes somewhat limited by hardware. And I could legit sell my 4070s now at 100 eur more than what I paid for last summer, market is insane rn. But the plan was to give her the 4070s and get myself a stronger card.
Honestly it'll be a relatively minor upgrade of around 10-30% at most, so unless your gf wants a new card or you want to make the 100eur profit I see no reason tbh.
I'm on a rx6900 and to me there's just not enough performance increase to make it worth it, ideally I'd probably upgrade to the performance of the 4090/5080 but I'm not paying 1k+ for that so I'm gonna wait for the next AMD generation to come with UDNA
My 4070s is struggling right now to maintain 144 fps in my main game (path of exile). I mean game is made on a 15 year old engine thats terribly optimized, and when there is lots of extra stuff on the screen it actually tanks to 100ish fps. But going from r9 380x to 4070s is going to be a 574% upgrade in raster for gf's PC, according to techpowerup. It was barely a 1080p card back in early 2016 when I bought it.
But 9070xt is going to be a significant upgrade from 4070S (something like 40-45% in raster at 4k according to AMD) and it will actually have better RT.
Oh it'll be a game changer for your partner absolutely.
I don't think it'll be 40%+ in raster? That sounds far too much. From memory I think the 4080 was around 20% better than the 4070super I believe and the 7900xtx is only slightly faster than the 4080 by a few percent at most. 45% I think was getting closer 5080/4090 level
Hm pretty sure 7900GRE and 4070S are mostly neck to neck, and 9070xt is supposed to be around 40% better at 4k compared to GRE? Maybe I'm misremembering numbers. But still, if AMD actually improved their upscaling and all other fancy tech Nvidia usually beats them at, 9070xt could end up being a heavily discounted 5070ti. and it's not gonna be much of a tradeoff of raw raster vs. fancy tech.
599$ is going to be rare, the more common cards are likely going to be 699$-799$ and the biggest baddest OC models pushing the 1000$ line.
But even the 699-799$ should still be around 1000€ when they arrive, which would make them significantly cheaper than any 5070Ti here.
Yes, but same could be said for 7900xtx on release, I bet not a lot of models were selling at 1000 usd.
I'm hoping we can actually get decent models of 9070xt for 800 eur. Because no way there are going to be less. If they are like 850-900 and its weaker than 7900xtx im just getting merc 7900xtx for 1000 lol.
Lmfaoooo I fricking love AMD
If i can get it for less than 750€ here in germany i will buy.
same for me, here in Europe it doesn't seem like many people are interested in AMD, so we might be able to get one.
Shit pricing in eu.
The 5070 ti is 900€ if you can find one at that price, so the 9070 xt is still the better choice, also considering that the Nvidia alternative for around 700€ would be the 5070 which appears to be much slower.
The cheapest listed 5070ti in Poland is 1000€ but then again none of them are even in stock lmao
My brother saw a couple of 5070 ti at 900€, but they went away instantly, the rest is a 1000€ or higher.
I hope AMD and their partners aren't gonna do the same thing Nvidia did, and keep prices for the various tier balanced.
In the Netherlands it's like 1200 minimum for the 5070 ti now lol
Yeah, MSRP with 25% VAT should be 720 eur. Bet it will be like 900?
From my calculation and seeing prices on previous gpu releases. 9070 gonna be around 1000e. XT model gonna be 1150e 100%
MSRP on 7900XTX was 1000 usd and it was alaways available at around 1200 eur. No way they sell at that price with 30% lower MSRP.
Why do you think it'll have a 45% increase when every other card is around 20%. It'll be €700-750 most likely
Because my country sucks and have insane mark up price. Remember 7700xt and 7800xt ? The price diff was 50e for most peeps. Meanwhile i paid 700e for TUF version of 7700xt. The 7800xt was 850e when it came out. Now its 600e new. Thatz hww i calculated the price.
Ouch that's crazy! Which country is this just wondering?
Bosnia
Beautiful country but ouch that is expensive, good luck!
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Oke I was right 9070 is 1k . xt is 1100
Current pricing is outrageous for everything once cards start to become more freely available they will come down in price.
They gonna stay at this high price till next gen comes out.
Anything under 950 would be a win as that's the price I can find 7900 XTX in Spain and the difference is negligible in raster.
Id be happy for under 800 from amazon.de, cuz my country got 25% VAT. 850 would be realistic I guess, because we do get f*cked with pricing. I just cancelled my XTX order, so I got a 1000 eur "allowance".
This and a 500 bucks Oled 27 inch monitor OR one 5080. This card is so sweet.
It will be available for 600€,
AHAHAHAHA, wheez, "six hun"- AHAHAHAHAHA
Dream on, man.
It will be available for €600. You'll have to pay taxes on it as well though. Sucks to be you.
Any update on price ??
Yeah, it was available at 600€ before stock ran out.
when stock replenishes it’ll still be 600 or no
Who knows, but it was already available at that price so...
But only for 15 minutes ? That’s not cool.
No, for several hours, actually.
In Germany taxes are included in retail price. GPUs also tend to cost a few € extra on top of taxes.
Many countries have VAT, buddy. It's not just your authoritarian shithole. You're paying for a 600€ GPU and another 120€ for the privilege of buying a thing from a store in Naziland.
fuck I have to put my 7900XT up for sale before normies realise
Isn’t the 7900XT a better card than the 9070XT?
Seems its about 10% slower than the 9070xt and with worse rt capability, HUB has where the 9070xt lands in raster and rt relative to others cards in their new video
Well, guess I have to sell my 7900xt as well
I mean if you have such a good card why not wait for UDNA?
I’ll wait for sure. I want to downsize to SFF, but I have a huge GPU that wont fit in the desired case
lol, I specifically bought the 7900xtx sapphire pulse because it’s under 320mm, which seems to be a breaking point for most sffpcs.
My monkey brain had to match MOBO and GPU maker and model; the ASUS TUF 7900 XT is probably the biggest GPU out there
similar in raster but much slower in RT and RDNA4 will have a set of new features I'm interested in
Nah
Don't worry, they're probably still too busy feeling smart after selling off their 40 series cards at a loss and laughing at people upgrading from a 10XX to a 5080.
I'm gonna buy two, one for gaming and the other one in a glass box for display
Bro don’t do that to people who want graphics cards
Great job AMD this puts the 2 higher end series in a real good place price wise also
Now all they need to do is to execute it
If they can keep up a healthy stock, people won't have another option but to choose team red. A sensible option that is.
I feel I'm owed an awful lot of apologies... just asying... This pricing was telegraphed by anyone that wanted to pay attention.
Ayy
Shots fired!
Ayy
it's a good year gang
It's a big W. I'll go team red with my 2025 build
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So do I still need to get a new fridge/freezer?
Gotta sell my 7900 GRE before the news catch-up
Bro same
same...
On paper this looks fantastic. Let's wait for the 6th for true judgement. They are not out of the woods yet...
I'm hyped. Now, if you can actually buy it at msrp on March 6, then AMD will topple nvidia
Absolute madlads
Finally, going to upgrade from my 5700 that's been killing it in 1440p.
Praise be, can't wait to see what all the different cards look like.
👁️🫦👁️
Mmmmmmm dady AMD Please more dady AMD
Put Nvidia in the grave
But uhhh message for the corporates…….
“Go feck yourself you greedy tirants!” 🖕🏻
Waiting on the price for the Yeston 9070XT Atlantis. Then have to figure how to import one and pray it will fit in my case.
Aliexpress will sell them directly, but it will be overpriced. Or order one on chinese mega online store(taobao) through a shopping service. The later would be the prefered option for me, you can choose any shipping company you want for example.
I got my 7900XTX through Aliexpress. Looks like I'm going to have to go that route again.
If its worth the money, enjoy yourself. Yeston cards are pretty cool
I Need those benchmarks man
Not yet they havent.
You are at least a week to early with that stamenent
Damn should I trade up my 6800xt for the 9070xt ?
$600 usd or cad. Because if it's $600 usd, then it costs $824 cad.
Now hope that we will get good availability at MSRP, especially in Europe.
What’s the performance like, especially with raytracing?
No reference card was the ons issue. AIBs be releasing OC versions only with insane prices with msrp models at the exact percentage of whatever AMD set the minimum was. 😂
I’ll believe when there are actually $600 ones for sale. No way it happens.
I don't even need it, but I want to buy it anyways. lol
Is this any better than a 3080ti?
The xt will 💩 on a 3080ti
really? Damn ok, may cop one. I heard this compared to a 5070, I just don't know the comparison of a 3080ti to a 5070, didnt realize it was that vast.
The xt shows a 26% performance gain on average across 30 games compared to a 3090. In NATIVE 4k. No upscaling garbage. At less than half the MSRP
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How is the AMD software compared to NVIDIA, in terms of frame gen and what not? Im not familiar at all.
I personally think all frame gen is garbage because of the latency. It's impossible to remove it because those generated frames don't have a signal from your mouse. Only the real frames respond to input. I rate a GPU on its rasterization performance. It's personal preference with that stuff
If the card is 1200-1300 AUD at launch I’m buying
I am confused. 3 weeks ago you told me these cards are DOA because they release in mach and all of you guys are building new PC right now and must go nvidia now.
I am getting mixed signals here.
Well pricing is step one but enough stock will be step two
Now will there be any 9070xt in stock for 750€ or board partners will have free estate
7900 gre for sale!......or should i wait to see if a 9070 xtx comes out....
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I would have gotten one if I could have fond one for that.
its gonna be 1.2k in the EU, at least it takes some heat off of the nvidia cards.
People losing their minds right now
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time to get analed huang old fuck
If you mean that they took the price of raster-equivalent RTX 5070TI, and ray traced equivalent somewhere between $549 5070 and $749 5070Ti, averaged those prices and subtracted $50 like they always do...
And that they didn't release a reference card at MSRP that could compete against AIB products thereby forcing them to at least somewhat adhere to the MSRP...
Then yes, they fucking did it. Again. Another DOA launch.
p.s. Path traced performance conveniently absent from any slides. I wonder why?
You're tripping. There is no $749 5070Ti. There isn't a founder's edition of that card so there never was. Even if there was and the 9070XT was equivalent to the 5070Ti it would still be -150$. Gamers don't care about RT. We care about raster.
And there won't be any $599 9070XT either (barring 5 at launch and never seen again, just like the 5070Ti's)
RT may not matter to you specifically, but I want my cinematic games, like Indianna Jones or Alan Wake or even something like The Last of Us, to look good.
You might be right, you might not. Let's see.
The Last Of Us doesn't use raytracing you buffoon
I'm talking about both ray tracing and upscaling tech. But please continue to defend having games look like shit. After all, we al;l know there is a slider between "fun to play" and "looks good" and nothing can ever do both at once.
"RT may not matter to you", you are talking about raytracing. Nowhere did you mention DLSS.
Try writing something coherent for once.
Man you are desperate to find a reason to hate on AMD right now lol its pathetic
No, I'm desperate to find a reason to buy a 9070XT right now.
But AMD haven't given me a reason. The options to buy this generation are between terrible and meh. So it's "wait for 3Nm and see how that shakes up."
I can't speak for what availability will actually look like, but thus far it looks like "$1200 5070TI performance for only $600." If thats not a reason to buy AMD, you're welcome to wait however many years it'll be before you can get a 5070TI at MSRP.
9070 for the price of a 5070 , completely DOA
Damn you can find a 5070 for $550 right now? Where?
I live in the US , 15 mins from a microcenter . Yes I can find one if I look . I bought a PS5 and Xbox Series x in the first month of release . Its not that hard to beat the scalpers . Was just waiting to see if AMD offered value at 5070 level but they didn't
5070 isn't released. I'm betting you won't see one for 550
Nice, unfortunately I don't live in or adjacent to a state with a Microcenter, so it is not so easy for me to beat scalpers.
How about you buy 2 5090s and run a llm you can cry into until you are all out of tears.