My question is related to several vegan content creators/chefs that I’ve followed for some time, but 2 specific ones recently.
One is a vegan chef who cooks and does professional vegan catering. Apparently, she appeared on The Food Network cooking meat. So her IG fans justifiably questioned her being vegan. She responded (quite nasty, I might add) basically by saying that The Food Network gave her $10k to cook meat, but that she’s brought so many people to veganism…so it doesn’t matter.
Another one doesn’t call herself vegan but everything she makes on her page is vegan. She even goes out of her way to say things like “this looks like a real egg but it’s actually mung beans…” or “I used vegan fish sauce…”, etc. Her ENTRIE page is nothing but vegan recipes, products, and vegan restaurant visits. Randomly, a month or so ago, she posted herself eating oysters. Again, when asked if she was vegan she responded by simply saying “I’m not vegan!”. And was left very confused.
My question is…are many or some of the vegan content creators and vegan and chefs actually vegan? Are some of these discrepancies due to the meat industry paying these vegan content creators behind the scenes? Is it too much to ask that vegan content creators actually be vegan? Or is it normal for vegan chefs to cook meat?
(Also, I’m vegan if that matters)
I'm old, and presumably that affects my judgement, but I think this whole "caring about content creators" thing is unwise and quite likely unhealthy.
Let’s say it’s Julia Child and she’s cooking human flesh on a sponsor’s TV show. She responds to an interviewer by saying, “In France and Germany this is considered quite normal, if you don’t have horse meat available.”
Dope. Do we get to pick who she cooks?
Cook the rich
Normally long pig is served to the rich
"Remember, no-one can see you in the kitchen"
100%.
Probably age related in my case too.
I don’t know but I am interested in this question too. One content creator almost always cooks vegan and has a whole series something like “omg it’s vegan” and in his bio now says “not vegan just love vegan food” or something because when he’ll occasionally post non vegan things people go crazy. I mean, rightfully, I was shocked to see it. I want more people to be more imperfectly vegan and it’s also weirdly shocking to see.
I want more people to be more imperfectly vegan, too. Because it’d be sooooo much better than the status quo.
What does imperfectly vegan even mean
Omnivores
In my opinion. Mostly vegan with some vegetarian mixed in.
Your life becomes so much easier if you do allow yourself some leeway during a dinner party or in a restaurant selected by your non-vegan friends. And the impact is negligible.
Yeah, I eat 95% vegan, but I have a lot of dietary restrictions, and eating a little dairy can mean the difference between “there is something here I can eat” and “guess I’m stepping outside and eating a protein bar for another meal!” I don’t call myself vegan, and I appreciate how supportive vegan friends have been about the fact that I’ve cut out animal products most, but not all, of the time. I sometimes even get nice leather goods out of it, since I’m happy to use secondhand (rather than new) leather stuff, but not all of my friends are.
So mostly plant based? Because veganism is an ethical philosophy centered on rejection of animals' commodity status, not a diet. You either believe in it or you don't. "Mostly vegan" is like saying "mostly pacifict" or "mostly anti racist."
I totally agree with you. I forgot my tone couldn’t come across in my comment. I was saying “imperfect vegan” in heavy like sarcasm almost. To me you’re either vegan or not. But in saying that, I don’t want to discourage people from eating more plant based / eating less animals. I like that content creators are posting vegan food to make it normal and stuff. I’m not saying every content creator who posts vegan recipes needs to be vegan. But it still feels weird when they post about amazing vegan food and then aren’t vegan. I’d rather them post about vegan food. But still it is like oh!!! So you still murder!! Okay!!
The world aint black and white.
You can be pacifist until the Russians are at your doorstep.
You can be vegan until you are starving and the only food available is meat.
And that's fine. Black and White zealotism has never led to anything good. The world is shades of grey. More than 50 of em even.
I also dont agree that veganism is fully an ethical philosophy and not a diet. It can be both and is something different to different people.
I agree very much with you, but sadly here on Reddit a large percentage of people seem to only be able to think in black and white terms. And are obsessed about purity and the vegan badge, or the "vegan club" membership requirements, as somebody wrote yesterday
For example, between these two scenarios:
A) A person who is mostly (99.9%) vegan (in practice and in philosophy) for decades but might eventually eat some animal products (for example eggs or fish) in very limited occasions (for example, in order to avoid food waste when visiting omnivores, or when traveling in countries with very few or no vegan options)
and
B) A person who's obsessively vegan in every single way, but subsequently quits veganism after a few years because they no longer find it sustainable,
they'll choose B), and call A) every insult under the sun, despite the fact that A) has contributed to reduce animal exploitation so much more.
Beautifully explained and encapsulates my sentiment, too. Ideological purity for social signaling is prized over actual animal harm reduction by online vegans.
Thanks a lot!
Absolutely, I'm beginning to realize after four years of veganism as a middle aged person that a lot of people (probably much younger than me) are vegans because it provides them with an identity and a "tribe", not because of the animals.
In my case, in real life, most of my friends, family and acquaintances forget that I'm vegan because I'm very discreet about it. If somebody wants to talk about it, be it about animal exploitation or practicalities, I'm more than willing, though, and it happens now and then.
They will still say B was never vegan and only plant-based when they no longer maintain a vegan lifestyle, though. It's a cultish mindset with none of the cult benefits. 🤣
You're probably right. And I fully agree with the existence of a cult like mindset.
In any case, the internal fighting about who's the best vegan, what behaviors are vegan or not, what definitions should be applied etc is in my opinion a complete waste of time if our final goal is to reduce animal exploitation.
The questions in my humble opinion which should be at the forefront of our debates should turn around the long term sustainability of a vegan diet on an individual level (advice about how to eat/shop/cook, what supplements and medical tests we might need, what problems might arise for certain population groups, how to live a vegan life in an affordable and easy way, how to relate to the non vegans in our life, etc) and about rational and effective activism (how to talk to people without alienating them, how to accept, value and encourage partial efforts among our friends and relatives in reducing animal food consumption, which is the most effective way to help animals through charities, volunteering, etc).
At least for me, as a person of already a certain age who couldn't care less about labels or identity or belonging to a tribe, those are the things that do interest me in the public debate, and by now, four years into veganism, I have a carefully selected array of online resources and books helping me in that direction.
Agreed 💯
I, personally, am vegan for health and animal welfare is a secondary consideration further down my list of priorities, but buying vegan and cruelty-free products outside of food is cake. I find that the more I highlight the health benefits I have experienced to my family and friends, the more readily they start to try out vegan food and products and see them as viable options without me having to proselytize or appeal to ethical debates.
As you said, the long-term sustainability at an individual level is a key issue that needs to be addressed regularly, and I am all about encouraging and celebrating initial efforts as I know that it took me several attempts to fully go vegan without any local support.
Vegan diet eliminates like 98% of animal suffering, too, and is the biggest stumbling block for virtually everyone. If everyone were eating vegan diet then going the extra 2% to eliminate leather and products tested on animals would be easy, too, since these are relatively easy.
"Your life becomes so much easier if you do allow yourself some leeway during a dinner party or in a restaurant selected by your non-vegan friends"
But that isn't what is being proposed here, what's being proposed here is exploiting animals so you can enjoy yourself at dinner parties and restaurants.
Yes, so what is your point exactly?
I mean, leather would be incredibly expensive, rare and unattainable anyway without the meat industry.
You completely ignored what I said. I can tell because you're still equating veganism with food. Your feelings about that don't trump the definition of veganism provided by the Vegan Society , the organization that literally made up the word. Their understanding of the word they coined matters far more than yours, frankly.
Veganism is not about food. You're confusing it with plant based dieting.
Veganism is a branch of ethical philosophy. Its core idea essentially boils down to "animals are not things and their bodies and labor are not products to be consumed." People who subscribe to that philosophy are called "vegans" in the same way that someone who is into Marx's philosophy is a Marxist.
The way a vegan eats is informed by that belief, but so are a lot of other choices we make that have nothing to do with food (for instance, a vegan would not go on a horse drawn carriage ride or visit a zoo).
Of course, plenty of people eat a plant-based diet for reasons other than veganism, like health or environmental issues or whatever else. But they by-definition are not vegan if they're motivated by something else.
In short, all vegans eat a plant-based diet, but not everyone who eats plant-based is vegan.
That's why "mostly vegan" doesn't make sense.
I’m into Marxist philosophy but I still participate in capitalism.
Okay? Do you have anything you want to say about my actual point or are you just going to myopically focus on an offhand side comment/example in an attempt to say "nuh uh, shut up" without actually engaging with my arguments?
Edit: replied and then immediately blocked lmao. Hallmark of a coward.
I think that particular point you made doesn’t logically flow and am using the technique of reduction ad absurdum to point it out.
I think a lot of your argument centers around the concept of veganism as a philosophy, and who qualifies for that philosophy. My point is a person can subscribe to a philosophy but still not live in a way that is actually in accordance with that philosophy. You see it all the time, actually. People can believe one thing but behave in a different way.
I’m saying that not all people who subscribe to the ideology that animals are not commodities inherently adhere to plant based diets, because people are messy and don’t neatly fit into boxes. I’m saying that people who adhere to strict plant based (or “vegan”) diets don’t always do so because they strictly believe that animals are individuals who deserve rights. There’s lots of idiosyncratic reasons people go fully plant based.
I’m saying it’s a Venn diagram of overlapping categories, and not an entailment.
I’m muting this thread. Your attitude (not just towards me but towards the other posters) is not one I choose to engage with further. It’s very hostile.
Tuere are a few angles one could take to respond to this.
Words take on lives of their own. You’re using a very specific, technical definition of veganism, one that is not as commonly used in the ordinary language. That’s fine, words have different meanings in different contexts, and clearly defining your terms is a great tool in a discussion. But trying to convince everyone around you to conform to that definition seems like a loosing game. You may find more success in using “ethical veganism” to differentiate in a way that’s hard to misinterpret.
I’m not sure you’re arguing this, but part of this discussions was sparked by that question about the meaning of “imperfectly vegan”, as if it’s an oxymoron. You’ve said that “you either believe it or you don’t”. Well, what if you believe it but your belief wavers from time to time? What if you believe it but you’re failing to live up to your principles because of lack of will or because other principles take precedence? Living in society, it’s almost inevitable that you’re benefiting from animal expoitation in some way, even if indirectly. It’s a matter of degree. Sure, that degree may be different by orders of magnitude, but it’s still a quantitative difference. It makes perfect sense to call those people who are failing to uphold their vegan principles from time to time “imperfect vegans”.
I am aware that vegans don't generally wear or use animal products in other ways than eating. I would still consider a person eating vegan but having a leather belt, vegan though. Though that's not the definition usually practised on this specific subreddit. And that's fine.
I never heard about the vegan society and don't care about them. They don't get to own the word, it is now part of the world's vocabulary.
A dictionary definition is: A person who abstains from all food of animal origin and avoids the use of animal products in other forms.
Your definition is more like that of a religion. I personally don't like that version of veganism and try to stay away from it.
It means they're non-vegan but with some pretensions
100% agree
I’m actually also ok with people eating however they eat (imperfect vegan, whatever) but be upfront about it. And the fact that it’s almost kinda secretive is problematic for me. If they’re 90% vegan/plant-based- then say that; if they eat vegan mostly and meat during the holidays (I’ve heard of this before, true story 😄) - then say that. But to give the illusion that you’re vegan in every way and then - boom! A video with you butchering a whole chicken and eating it….just feels misleading.
I don't think they owe anyone anything more than they wanna share about their life tbh.
I understand it being off-putting to suddenly see meat on a page, but it's better you don't assume someone is vegan unless they explicitly state it, rather than having every content creator posting their dietary position any time they post a vegan recipe, accidentally or on purpose.
However, when some of us say we're imperfect vegans, we get attacked mercilessly by other vegans.
Forgetting many facts, for example, that veganism is much more doable in some places than others.
But I don’t think this is an instance of “imperfect vegans” (whatever that actually means…). I think this is a case of people pushing a vegan image and just not being vegan at all in their real life.
What exactly does "push a vegan image" mean in this context?
Were they specifically saying they were vegan?
Or were they posting vegan recipes, advice about being vegan etc? Which would make them "vegan allies" and as such very welcome in my opinion.
I mean they if one went to their page, they would assume they’re vegan - every recipe is vegan, every product they eat is vegan, the recipe videos are entitled “how to cook for your vegan…”, they show themselves eating at vegan restaurants while out of their country, they may even shout out or collaborate with other vegan content creators, every hashtag includes “#vegan”, etc. This is what I mean by “pushing a vegan image”.
No, some of them aren’t calling themselves vegan, but it does say something if - when she posted a video of her eating oysters (the second content creator I mentioned) - dozens of comments were left from people confused and shocked that she wasn’t. Someone in this comment section just mentioned they didn’t know she wasn’t vegan. The first content creator does call herself a vegan”vegan chef” - but I suppose that doesn’t necessarily mean she’s a vegan.
About the first paragraph, when it comes to vegan recipes and eating in restaurants, all that could apply as well to people following a plant based or even a plant forward or an ostrovegan diet, without necessarily having to adhere to a vegan philosophy.
I really don't understand why people are "shocked" that somebody is or isn't vegan, specially when they do something in public that they're not hiding, like eating oysters (which by the way could correspond to an ostroveganism stance many people agree with, including vegans).
What does it change for the person expressing that criticism?
I think the problem is that people are using the term loosely and so that causes confusion. Vegan is ethics. They are not vegan. It’s an ally, and yes reduces demand for animal products so it is positive, but not there yet.
I follow this person for the recipes, not their vegan activism. I know they aren’t vegan, but I know they are slightly helping normalize how I personally eat.
many aren't, but think of it this way: there's much more demand for vegan recipes than non-vegan recipes, even though there are very few vegans. so they are catering to that market. they are fulfilling a need. there's a huge need in the market for vegan recipes. so some non-vegans will try to fulfill that need just to make some money. vegan cookbooks are an extremely lucrative business, so people who write cookbooks will want to get in on some of that action, even if they aren't vegan.
another way to think of it: are the owners and ceos of vegan companies vegan? are all the people working at them vegan? usually not. they just want that money. like the people at 'beyond meat' or the 'impossible burger', the people making those meat substitutes, they aren't usually vegan.
the reason is, most people already basically know how to make the non-vegan versions of things. so there's no reason to google recipes for non-vegan chocolate chip cookies, people know how to make them. so the number of people googling how to make chocolate chip cookies vegan is going to be much higher than you'd expect for the relatively few vegans out there. and each time someone googles for it, they land on a page, and someone makes a few cents for providing that info. millions of people might be googling that query (something like 'vegan chocolate chip cookie recipe'). so there's millions of dollars at stake if you are at the top of the search results for that. and the ones at the top of those search results won't always be vegans, they'll be people who love money.
Very good points. I supposed it is a good thing that non-vegans engage with vegan food at the end of the day.
yeah, that's true, but reading the other comments here just now i'm surprised by the number of parasocial relationships people are having with content creators. as someone else said, that isn't healthy. to me, i'm 47, and when i see young people get upset that their favorite vegan cooking influencer isn't vegan, it just seems sad to see that they care that much socially about someone they never met in real life. people should just think of all influencers (vegan or not) as people who are making content for money, that's it, they aren't your friends, they are small business owners, it isn't worth getting upset over what they individually eat. even the ones who *are* vegan are making the content for money rather than a love for veganism or some type of love for their fans. if they stopped earning money from sponsorships and ads and affiliate programs etc., they wouldn't be putting all that time and effort into making content, no matter how much they loved their fans or loved veganism. so it's never worth becoming emotionally attached to a content creator.
(not that the 80s and 90s didn't have our own version of this. cooking shows existed before the internet, and people still got emotionally attached to them even back then. like i remember a similar controversy pre-internet when people realized that the 'frugal gourmet' wasn't actually poor, even though he had a tv show where he showed people how to make meals on a cheap budget)
There are a lot of creators especially smaller youtubers and stuff that make videos just because they are passionate about a thing, nothing to do with profit. I think its lame to immediately write off thousands of people’s legitimate passion for creating and sharing recipes and videos just saying everyone is in it for the money because thats simply not true. Vegans especially, most that i know are also the type of person to put extra effort into helping other people better themselves even if it means no personal gain
I mean, I'm much older than most people here, and I do feel a personal connection to some vegan YouTubers (like Unnatural Vegan, Mic the Vegan, David Ramms, Natalie Fulton) or vegan content creators (like Colleen Patrick Goudreau), mostly I think because I don't know any vegans in real life and they're my only link to veganism. And they're very nice and create interest, entertaining and instructive content.
But all of these are people that are somehow activists and have declared many times they're vegan.
I don't feel the same way about cooking shows, and as matter of fact, several I follow I'm not sure if they're vegan or just plant based. I don't care, I follow them for the recipes.
I also follow a number of channels which deal with the scientific and medical aspects of plant based diet, again, I don't know (or care) if the content creators are vegan or not.
I’m a vegan content creator and engage with quite a few of them, and most of them are vegan, but there are a few exceptions.
Most of non vegans will use vegan hashtags but will have non vegan recipes also included on their page. Most of the people who aren’t vegan will call their recipes plant based.
That being said, the vast majority of vegan content creators I engage with are vegan themselves.
hook us up with your socials- i’m always down to follow vegans!
Thank you!
jess.flowers on TikTok, https://www.tiktok.com/@jess.flowers?_r=1&_t=ZP-92R6iAv6LuQ
wild vegan flower on IG, https://www.instagram.com/wildveganflower?igsh=MWpibTN4MzJzd2JvbA%3D%3D&utm_source=qr
and Jess flowers on YT https://youtube.com/@jess.flowers?si=kLq8EeUYHHcnpL0K
Suscribes to your YT channel.
Thank you! I hope you enjoy
Looks very interesting!
Some certainly are, but certainly not all of them. What can help identify them is looking for those that do content creation more on the side (my thought jumps to someone like Lori Hernandez who is like a professional ballet dancer and just shows what she is eating while being that, so to speak - also disclaimer I don't follow her, I just remember a short or two about her being vegan but that might be outdated info by now)
Well... this one feels weird to me, because in my mind this would mostly lead to less non-vegan people engaging in vegan content because its more gatekeep-y (in the sense of if a chef has a great vegan recipe but then gets reprimanded for not being vegan themselves, wouldn't they simply stop posting vegan recipes? And that'd be an overall loss in my mind)
To your last paragraph - you’re right. I think it just feels disappointing when we find out they’re not vegan. Perhaps they should be more forthcoming with “I’m not vegan but I make vegan dishes/recipes…”.
I just feel like it shouldn't matter? Like if they show me great recipes, isn't that why I'm watching them?
Well…for me, it’s certainly mostly about the recipes. But I also get a sense of what the vegan community looks like; I get a sense of camaraderie, community, and of shared interests. There’s not a ton of vegan content creators that aren’t focused around vegan food, so these vegan food accounts are sometimes my only connection to the wider vegan communities (and maybe subs like this one). It does matter a little.
In my opinion, veganism is not a religion. And acting overzealous and gatekeepy about it will only push people away.
But I’m not “acting” any type of way. I’m still following both of the people I mentioned and I’m not losing sleep over it. I just find it a little problematic. Is it possible to express issue with a vegan issue without it being labelled “gatekeeping”?
Well you do say you want to keep the word vegan for only pure vegans.
That is gatekeeping.
That's fine, I also gatekeep the word "engineer" for people with an actual engineering degree (a battle I will never win, but keep on fighting anyway).
I am of the opinion that gatekeeping the word vegan in this regard might hurt the movement more than it benefits it though. As the almost religion like feel some communities have deals really unwelcoming from the outside.
Where did I say that? I said people should be forthcoming with what they are. I actually don’t have an issue with people being 90% vegan or mostly vegan. I also don’t feel too particular about people wanting to differentiate between the terms “vegan” versus “plant based”. I’m vegan for mostly environmental reasons and I think if the world was 90% vegan we would be in a much better world. It’s not an issue for me. There’s another content creator I follow who’s technically pescatarian but cooks mostly vegan. Every now and then (more than once in 3 years) she’ll post something with sardines or salmon in it and it’s clear what she does and what she eats.
But this is important that people be clear what they are/what their choices are because some people choose to follow specifically vegans. And with the first content creator I mentioned - they’re a professional chef. I would go out of my way to hire a vegan chef over a non-vegan one. But if it’s unclear who’s vegan and who’s not - it’s difficult to do that.
I agree, everybody being, 90% vegan would be great. Or hell, I will take 50% vegetarian in the West at this point.
But why does it matter to you the chef is fully vegan or 90% vegan when you hire him/her to cook vegan for you?
Is it some kind of purity seal? It seems a bit religious somewhere.
Purity seal? Wtf even is that? YOU sound like some type of religious zealot that everything I say you’re going to the extreme.
It matters to me to choose a vegan chef over one who eats beef on their off days and will take a paycheck to cook meat on tv because genuineness is important to me, authenticity and being real are important to me; standing by your word and not having a price tag on everything is important. These things are important to me in life in general. It’s problematic to not be vegan but pretend to be for money; just as it is to not be something (a chef, a spiritual/religious person, a healer, an educated intellectual, a social justice activist, a loving parent, or a member of a particular ethnic group, etc.) and pretend to be that thing for a paycheck. If you don’t agree with that - fine. Let’s agree to disagree. But I have strong morals and ethics that I hold myself and others to.
But the chef is not pretending, right? He openly accepts non vegan work.
There are vegan restaurants owned by non vegans. Because the entire menu and kitchen is vegan it’s still a win in my Book.
Idk it feels like a money grab when non vegans have ‘vegan’ restaurants
I agree but it’s also kind of positive that non-vegans see that there’s money to be made by opening vegan businesses. If veganism wins a big part of that will just be economics.
Fair, but it’s disappointing when you see some of those restaurants do little to no marketing and then decide to add meat to the menu to be more ‘profitable’, and then blaming veganism for causing slow business. Unfortunately it’s something I’ve seen many times
Yes that’s true and that is frustrating. In general I get upset when vegan stuff isn’t the best it could be. It’s like being the token minority and having the responsibility of upholding people’s perceptions of your race/sex/whatever. It’s absolutely unfair but also very real.
Right!? Thank you. It does NOT feel genuine! This stuff matters!
Wil Yeung from Yeung Man Cooking isn’t vegan. I think Sauce Stache is pescatarian
Oh the 1st one surprised me....Sauce stache was a whole drama for me when I found out.
I had no idea sauce stache isn’t vegan! Finding this out makes me lose respect for them
Can you name the 2 creators you mentioned? I don’t follow too many so I don’t know who they are but I’d prefer not to support them if I stumble onto their content in the future…
The first one is Chef Joya
The second one is itslizmiu and I linked you to the video of her eating oysters.
Thanks! Never heard of either of them. The way the first creator responded to the criticism gave me the ick immediately… like if you think veganism is a cult, you can fck off and do something else for money… I’ve been vegan for about 8 years and I’m pretty comfortable coming up with dinner ideas myself now (or I just google something and go from there) and I’m really glad that I’m not giving my attention to people like this.
Yea it was disappointing 🫤
I’d be disappointed, too. It’s why I don’t really follow any influencers anymore. I used to watch Raw Alignment on YouTube back when I first went vegan.. she was a raw vegan, lived in Hawaii, organized vegan retreats, it was all visually beautiful… and then she turned into a full carnivore and hid it from her audience 💀 She completely ruined her brand, people were mad and idk if she even does social media anymore. It’s best to not give these people too much attention (i.e. money) and just focus on yourself.
Oh I heard about her from my bff. I believe those situations involve people being paid by the meat industry to leave veganism. It just seems like too drastic of a change to make any real sense. That or she was just lying the whole time.
It’s hard to say… I know there are people paid to do that kind of stuff. There was a guy who said he was paid to pretend to be an ex-vegan and post about it all over Reddit and start arguments with vegans. Raw Alignment followed very strict raw diet that wasn’t sustainable so there’s a chance she quit on her own. She was most likely starving herself and could’ve easily convinced herself that she needed the complete opposite. She was a bit gullible lol
Oh I saw that article on VegNews about the fake ex-vegan! Very sad.
I follow the second one and really thought she was vegan, welp. Lately I’ve grown distrustful of a lot of content creators since they often put wrong information while their traveling on their “vegan tour”
What type of wrong information?
For example, vegan influencers who visit Japan, they would often review/recommend different restaurants and food products. However if they did a bit more research, they would realize the items they were promoting were in fact not vegan. Nutrition labels in Japan are not required by law to list all ingredients especially if used in minimal quantities such as fish stock. I posted a reply to their video that was shared to a large following and they chose to ignore it. This gives wrong information to other vegans who may consider eating the supposed vegan item.
Oh interesting! And I think this is why it’s important to know if someone is actually vegan or not. They may not be as vigilant in trying to figure out if something is actually vegan or not if they aren’t vegan. It actually is a lifestyle change.
Some are, some arent, i dont think its possible to know for sure
Lots of people are plant based dieters but identify as vegan
Veganism is about eschewing animal exploitation and harm, that’s it. No zoos, no aquariums, no eating or wearing products that are from animals (or bees, or other non human sentient beings). If you are in it for health and environment, that’s wonderful, but it’s not vegan, it’s plant based. That said, vegans out there, it’s not enough to be vegan. To reduce harm and exploitation, please be active. Join a group or grab some friends and create a group and get out there and be active for the animals.
Beware, most do it for the trend. I used to follow a girl on youtube named "Raw Alignment" and she went from raw vegan to carnivore..... because it was trendy.
Wouldn't trust anyone who was "raw vegan" to begin with. There's no reason not to cook food.
Those situations truly feel to me like someone (in the meat industry) paid them to ditch veganism. This has happened too many times to count. I heard of one who went from veganism to owning a cattle farm where she grows her own kill meat.
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I know lots of people who aren’t vegan, but cook and eat plant-based things but just call it “vegan”. I’m glad there’s more plant-based foods out there, I’m not going to stress if those people are capital V Vegan
cupcakes & videogames are vegan. emily ewing is vegan. chris cooney (the vegan zombie) is vegan. cook for my vegan wife are vegan.
What harm is there for you or for anyone if people posting plant based recipes are not vegan? (provided of course they're not saying they are).
I'm more than happy that more and more plant based recipes are shared everywhere and that non vegans are finding out it's perfectly possible to cook interesting and tasty food using only plants.
99% of the population isn't vegan, are you actively avoiding every single non vegan who's creating some kind of content?
Content creators are doing a job, no different from other forms of entertainment, so what they do or don't do in their regular lives is not something we're going to ever fully know. Treat it all as a performance.
It's not helpful to develop a parasocial attachment to people who are complete strangers to you and who are just posting content to get a paycheck. Take everything they share with a grain of salt, and that way you're not left guessing when they cook meat or eat oysters next month.
Cherry pick what you find helpful, and if their content no longer resonates with you when they switch over to carnivore recipes, unsubscribe, tell the algorithm to not recommend you their content, and scroll away.
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Responding to the original question here.
I’m a long-time vegan, animal advocate, recipe developer, and content creator, and am committed to helping others discover the goodness of kicking the meat & dairy habit and living cruelty-free.
I find it offensive and disgusting when chefs, influencers, content creators and celebrities promote themselves as “vegan” so long as it is lucrative to their popularity and bank accounts. Veganism isn’t a fad, trend or fashion statement.
So in answer to the original post - yes there are content creators and chefs who do not and will not ever include animals on their menus. I am one of them.
Integrity and compassion matters. .
They are actors doing a show for money
Noone shpuld trust any content creators, they are just grifters taking advantage of naïve, gullible, and broken people
Some of us are in it to inspire people to adopt a vegan lifestyle and encourage people to eat a plant based diet. I don’t make much money at all and I’m in it to help make the world a better place