Im kinda torn, its not really the 'English' thing to do, but on the other hand it may serve as a reminder to the world in general and give a little perspective on the issue of ages - I bet some of our allies are even older than that!
Im kinda torn, its not really the 'English' thing to do, but on the other hand it may serve as a reminder to the world in general and give a little perspective on the issue of ages - I bet some of our allies are even older than that!
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I will enter an IKEA with my Saxon military attire and jump up and down on the beds until asked to leave to give it to the vikings just like our ancestors.
If you really want to deal with the Vikings like our ancestors, you’d be better off spending all your money in IKEA. There was an awful lot of paying the Vikings to go away lol.
And some very questionable decisions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Brice%27s_Day_massacre
King Well-Advised the Ill-Advised
You had me at buying many blahajar.
If you pay the Danegeld you will never be rid of the Dane, but you will have nice furniture.
Irish here
Of course ye should. I don't know why ye don't celebrate English heritage more tbh. It's normal and healthy. Doesn't have to be neglected only for the far right to take a monopoly on it.
Love the Sugababes btw x jft96
It’s 97 now unfortunately
Don’t be silly, we can’t have 1100 birthdays in 2 years, there’s only 730 days
And that's why we don't have an empire any more. It's that wishy washy "we can't do that" attitude... 😉 😁
lol - yeah i wasnt sure about that phrasing either
So you’re getting me a gift.
I reckon so.
It’s not every day your country turns 11 hundred now, is it?
Right? A thousand years is worth a good celebration! Plus, imagine the themed parties and historical reenactments…
Other countries are normally celebrating their independence from us in fairness.
It's only 65
PMSL! True
England existed long before 927. That's just the year the kingdom of England was established.
Even though there were lots of different kingdoms before 927, together they made up England (in some sense of the word).
True, but the same could be said of the US, just keeping things on the same field - based it on England as a political entity.
That's a fair point. Many countries do have their "birthdays" based on political entities. I concede and withdraw my opposition.
I therefore wish to make a further proposal: that we celebrate 12 July every year as some kind of "England day".
hear! hear!
The other two kingdoms in the UK (Scotland and [Northern] Ireland) already get to celebrate the 12th of July so it's only fair that the English do too
I mean what is the birthday of a country if not the day it was established?
The same way that we celebrate everything else, go down the pub and get a few pints in
Definitely and with lots of pomp and ceremony.
It’s a nice idea, but it won’t happen. Most people probably don’t even know about English unification, the year 927 will mean nothing to them. Besides being aware of names like ‘Alfred the Great’, ‘Edward the Confessor’, ‘Harold Godwinson’, public knowledge of our history generally starts at 1066. In fact, many people think 1066 is the year of our founding.
Eleventy hundred.
We will burn the atmosphere with those candles on a cake
No, if you didn’t bother to celebrate the previous 1,099 birthdays don’t bother with the 1,100th.
THE NAMBERS GO UP TO ELEVEN (hundred).
I intend on summoning the power of Edward of Woodstock, and taking back Aquitaine, and also the power of John of Gaunt to catch the bastards that destroyed the Savoy Palace.
If we get a bank holiday for it, then yes. I want more of that sweet platty joobs PTO.
I haven't got anything to wear!
Why would you celebrate some imaginary lines drawn on a map?
We should.
Retake the Empire.
Letters of marque for everyone
Bank holiday
We need flare arse guy on the 4th plinth.
isn't it 1000th in 1066?
What do you think happened in 1066? Serious question.
Battle of Hastings. When real Britain was emerged. Before that not the Britain you know today. Without the Norman conquest it is always missing something.
why the downvotes. Many people hate the Normans?
Britain? Doesn't even exist.
It's Great Britain, or Brittany (little Britain), not just Britain.
are you sure
The name Britain originates from the Common Brittonic term \Pritanī* and is one of the oldest known names for Great Britain, an island off the north-western coast of continental Europe. The terms Briton and British, similarly derived, refer to some or all of its inhabitants and, to varying extents, those of the smaller islands in the vicinity. "British Isles" is the only ancient name for these islands to survive in general usage.
England hasn't been a country since 1707. The country is the United Kingdom, which was founded in 1801. England is a region within that country.
But more practically, England does not have a set founding date. England was formed gradually over many years, it's really a matter for debate at what point England came into being.
This is confidently wrong.
England is a country.
Edit; the more I look at my confident correction, the more I doubt myself. Is England a country? What is a country? Who are we?
England is defined as a constituent country.
The United Kingdom is defined as a sovereign state.
Nope, it gave up being nation with its own government, occupying a particular territory, so it isn't a country.
UK and constituent countries (ONS)
Officially they are constituent countries.
They were until they constituted the UK. Scotland might be a country, since it has its own government and has maintained the Auld Alliance with France. England, not so much.
The key word you're choosing to disregard is constituent.
That's how they're recognised officially by the UK government, constituent countries within the UK.
They're not countries, or sovereign nations, or sovereign states, or whatever other term you'd like to use that are recognised by the UN.
I mean, you’re welcome to visit Scotland or Wales and try to tell them that. Be interested in hearing the response you get.
I don't have to visit Scotland, I was born and live here.
Agree. Although Scotland may be.
Not the Kingdom of England though, which obviously no longer exists.
'Country' is a bit of a nebulous term, but one of the definitions in the OED is "The territory of a nation; a region constituting an independent state, or a region, province, etc., which was once independent and is still distinct in institutions, language, etc." I'd say England fits that.
England is a country within the United Kingdom.
927 is a traditional founding date of England as it's the year in which Æthelstan acquired Northumbria and so united the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms under a single monarch. While the formation of the country was a gradual process, it's a good milestone to celebrate.
Doesn't have a government of its particular territory
An area does not need to have a government to be considered a country.
Yeah it does, sorry!
That's not true. The OED, for example, gives one definition of 'country' as 'The territory of a nation; a region constituting an independent state, or a region, province, etc., which was once independent and is still distinct in institutions, language, etc.'
You're cherry picking obscure definitions. The main definition is a nation with its own government, occupying a particular territory, which England isn't. Oops.
The Oxford English Dictionary is the primary dictionary of English; it could not be less obscure. That particular definition is not listed as rare or obsolete, the most recent example dating from 2004.
I'm not going to devote any more time to demonstrating to you that England is a country.
Good, let's follow its definition of a nation with its own government, occupying a particular territory.
Isn't distinct in its institutions or language.
based it on this:
the political entity of the Kingdom of England began around 927 AD with King Athelstan's unification, making it roughly 1,098 years old as a distinct nation
Didn't it unite with another nation to form a new country at some point?
Yes, but it has nonetheless retained its own identity as a country.
Na, it has identity as an area of a country. It isn't a country.
England is one of the constituent countries of the United Kingdom.
Was. But the current country is it UK.
England is a constituent country of the UK. The UK is also a country, being a sovereign state. I'm not going to argue the point further.
No no, it's definitely a country lol please don't try and spread misinformation.