San Andres, Providencia and the Caribbean coast of mainland Colombia are definitely Caribbean. Colombia has a strong Salsa music culture and Palenquero is the only known Spanish Creole.
Unpopular opinion, no. I consider “Caribbean”, the Caribbean islands. Sure Northern Colombia and Venezuela have Caribbean influence, but they are not Caribbean.
So where do you make the distinction, Colombia's insular region is clearly Caribbean, Assuming you only know salsa it is easy to say that Colombia's Caribbean Coast has Caribbean influence, but the other way around happens as well, for example, vallenato has shaped some songs of Dominican merengue. Idk, you should read what García Márquez's take on the Caribbean was
^ right there. Colombian and Venezuelan islands, like San Andres are Caribbean to me, Colombia and Venezuela are South American countries, they are not Caribbean, sure they have Caribbean influence but they are not Caribbean, that’s just my opinion & respectfully, I don’t really care about what Garcia Marquez take on the Caribbean was. Influence is just influence, Chile has their own regueton & that doesn’t make them Caribbean.
It's a weird take, San Andrés and Providencia are located in North America geographically, have developed their own creole language, so that's not Caribbean somehow
Yes. But I think it’s important to distinguish between continental and insular Caribbean people because we are not entirely the same as much as people try to make it seem that way on this sub, and I’m referring to specifically Hispanophone Caribbean people with this.
I disagree. Why make that distinction? Guyanese and Trinidadians have a stronger Indian culture than the rest of the countries and they don’t need to differentiate themselves and yet us Hispanic Caribbeans do? Makes no sense.
Continental Hispanophone culture is much, much, and I mean MUCH more influenced by indigenous culture, customs, and history than insular Caribbean culture and this leads to some very obvious differences.
But we’re talking about Venezuela and coastal Colombia both regions do not have much native influence. Hell even up to Medellin there’s not much native influence. Only southern Colombia and the Amazon portion of Venezuela have strong indigenous culture and those areas are not Caribbean. But also having indigenous culture doesn’t mean you’re less Caribbean. Belize has Mayan speakers does that make them less Caribbean?
Both the Venezuelan & Colombian Caribbean have very strong indigenous influence, and save from a few areas it’s actually stronger than the African influence (I have been to both places and can attest to this) both in terms of culture and physical appearance. And I never called them “less Caribbean” I just called them different from insular Caribbeans and I would be correct. We have nowhere near that amount of indigenous influence on the islands.
Aruba is more indigenous than African. And Puerto Rico really doesnt count as being more African either. It is more spanish and indigenous than, for example, Jamaican, so I doubt this person represents the opinion of most boricuos.
The insular Caribbeans I’m referring to in my comment are the ones from Hispanophone islands. And yes African culture is much stronger in Puerto Rican, and in the other Hispanophone Caribbean islands, than the mainland Caribbean countries due to our history and differing settlement patterns.
You say much native influence but have yet to name anything that would make them culturally more native. And if you’re talking about ancestry then that has nothing to do with being Caribbean or not. There’s some Puerto Ricans with more Taino than African and that doesn’t make them less Caribbean. What cultural elements do they (Venezuelans and Colombians) have that make them so different from us?
Still have living, territorially continuous Indigenous nations (Wayuu, Kogi, Arhuaco, Wiwa, etc)
Foodways are actively indigenous and has more indigenous influence than African
Music is much more indigenous influenced than African influenced
Language is much more indigenous influenced than African influenced
Phenotype is much more indigenous influenced than African influenced (for the most part)
They much less American influence than us (historically, politically, economically)
Have a different colonial history, settlement patterns, labor structures than us
Etc.
A lot of the things that make them seem similar to insular Caribbean are just things that we produce that they happen to consume (merengue, salsa, reggaeton, etc). I have been to Caracas, Maracaibo, Barranquilla, Cartagena, and while they did have Caribbean influences I definitely FELT like I was in South America in all these places.
Those indigenous groups are not culturally Caribbean in fact they are treated badly and discriminated against whereas in southern Colombia the indigenous culture is part of the overall culture. It’s like saying the average person from Arizona is culturally Navajo or Hopi when in fact those group live in isolated communities.
I’m Puerto Rican and yes. They speak Caribbean Spanish, make, sing, and dance the same Caribbean music as us (salsa, merengue, bachata, reggaeton) eat the same foods, hell I’ve even seen some do Santeria. It’s only not Caribbean to the ignorant.
Its mainly Black Americans who are petty with this nonsense. They think they are experts at everything regarding race and culture of black people around the entire world. Its cultural imperialism, at work. Its also the fallacious 1 drop rule and theory that infected and warped their thinking like a disease....They should stick to questions regarding the plethora of issues affecting their own communities right in the states. I assure anyone that Carribean Colombia or Venezuela are not even thinking or giving much thought to this. If any at all Or however one terms them.
This question constantly comes up. It is consistently yes for the majority. Theres only a small contingent of British Caribbeans who (falsely) claim that Caribbean culture is specific to english speaking islands.
It has nothing to do with language though it's a regional thing.
No english speaking folk doubt haiti and the dominican are caribbean for example, but columbia is much more distant and some people think it's closer to a general southern american culture.
Caribbeans is bad to say only for English speakers/Anglo Caribbeans. Us Hispanophone and I believe Francophone Caribbeans don't have any problem with the term because in our languages that's how we speak/refer to the people's region.
Pero eso es distinto, es cuando los chilenos le dicen caribeños a los colombianos o venezolanos de forma despectiva, y de hecho racista ya que ellos básicamente quieren decir caribe=negro=malo y barbárico. Además, a razón de ponerle más nuance a la respuesta, el problema es pintar a toda Colombia o Venezuela como caribeños cuando son países que tienen regiones andinas, amazónicas, llanos, y en el caso de Colombia pacifico. Es decir, los colombianos sabemos que somos parte caribeños, al menos casi un 25%, pero pues no es todo el país, y tampoco es de la forma en que a los conosurenos les encanta pintarnos.
pues claro nunca le diría caribeño a un paisa pero tampoco sería como insulto. He vivido casi toda mi vida afuera de colombia, no sabía que los chilenos o quienes sean utilizan el término de forma despectiva. que feo
It is. It objectively is. You can step into the Caribbean sea out of these cities. But many people will say it's not, because it doesn't fit their preconceived notions of the Caribbean, and because Colombia's most well known cities are in the Andes.
It depends on who you ask,personally I’ve always seen “The Caribbean” as islands and territories that encompass its waters, so I don’t see why they shouldn’t be included. Trinidad’s although not in the Caribbean geographically, in terms of history and culture it’s very Caribbean.
It have to be a Haitian spewing that mess…lol…. Get a map! Trinidad and Tobago IS A CARIBBEAN ISLAND. The very last one and one of the strongest nation that supports CARICOM
Wym it has to be Haitian. You weirdos in this sub love attacking one group of ppl and we already know it. Look at you goofball I said w Trinidad is in the Atlantic you did not give me a rebuttal but say it’s the last one and call out names.
Are you speaking about Barbados? Cause it’s further east than Trinidad and is geographically in the Atlantic Ocean but is considered a Caribbean nation. Your facts is hella wrong with Trinidad. It’s very much in the Caribbean Sea.
Never heard a single person say Colombia is part of the caribbean. Yall are South american not caribbean! Thats like saying Canada is European cuz they share an island with Denmark. If yall are being taught that then theres something wrong with your education system cuz here we learn the caribbean countries and yall are not 1 of them!
Do you understand that different cultures have different ways of seeing the world? Right? Have you interacted with people who speak other languages than English? You sound really dumb, and kind of proud of being dumb, like not a gram of curiosity or anything like that. Whatever, Colombia is part Caribbean, and that is something you don’t have a say on, so rage as much as you want
Caribbean coast means little to nothing 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️ pretty sure American and Mexico has Caribbean coast but isn't Caribbean. It's really history, culture, politics and etc.
No. Florida is not in the Caribbean, lol! West Indian and Caribbean are most definitely not the same thing either, although people tend to confuse the hell out of those two things. I would describe West Indian as a subset of Caribbean - but they are not synonyms, not from based on the historical and politico-cultural dimensions you're talking about.
Ok the west indies were originally just the British Caribbean originally but since modern times people refers to the west indies as the whole Caribbean. So no the west indies isn't a subset of the Caribbean but you want to go with the original meaning then it will be a section of the Caribbean. The historical and political part of what you said was dumbest I heard thus far
This is from your own post - exactly as you wrote it:
"Caribbean coast means little to nothing 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️ pretty sure American and Mexico has Caribbean coast but isn't Caribbean. It's really history, culture, politics and etc."
Exactly because Panamá has a smaller Caribbean coast than both Colombia and Venezuela and it is objectively more Caribbean historically, culturally, and demographically.
If we’re not you are not Caribbean, like Guyana. Trinidad and Tobago is an island as far away from the mainland as some parts of Cartagena since it’s basically an island city. We speak Caribbean Spanish like Puerto Ricans and cubas and have heavy Afro ancestry
Um hello? Trinidad ans Tobago is part of the caribbean genius. And Guyana is widely recognised to be Caribbean its just in south America. But Guyanas case doesn't apply to Colombia because yall are way too far away
Just because you share similarities with the Hispanic caribbean doesn't make you caribbean
Tangerines are really similar to oranges but they can never be oranges can they?
These people are off off. I had to reply to his comment to you. Imagine a whole non-Caribbean saying one of the main Caribbean islands isn’t Caribbean 🤣🤣. But they want to use our Steelpan. Bredda man. 🤣🤣
I never said Trini isn’t Caribbean I said that Colombia has islands that are as far off from the mainland as Trinidad y Tobago so if the Caribbean Colombians aren’t Caribbean the same applies to them. More than half of the comments disagree with you
Yeah no. Colombia cant be caribbean and south american at the same time. What do you not understand when I say that you all aren't caribbean? Just because you share similarities with us doesn't make you one of us! You all speak Spanish but you aren't Europeans like Spain are you?
I mean if you say so I can accept you are caribbean. I don't think you understand that I have no problem with you all being considered caribbean cuz I do love Colombia, I'm just arguing because you aren't considered caribbean right now. Granted Im aware that Colombian society is heterogeneous but until the rest of the caribbean accepts yall as 1 of us well have to agree to disagree. Im more than happy if you all become one of us but until then you cant be considered caribbean I'm sorry
I don’t think you understand. North of Colombia has ALWAYS been considered part of the Caribbean before Colombia as a country existed. I’m not saying all of Colombia is Caribbean I’m saying the north is. I’m from the north, we call ourselves Caribbean, are understood to be a part of the Caribbean. We have been part of the Caribbean since the Caribbean colonies have exitsted.
Before Colombia was Colombia it was just city states and those city states were considered as part of Caribbean. Our natives are directly related to tainos both linguistically and ethnically
The mainland? The main part of the Caribbean are the ISLANDS. Who are in the Caribbean Sea. Are you part of CARIFTA? Are you part of CARICOM? Literally no one thinks of you as Caribbean.
When they call the Caribbean countries to the UN council you are not listed as one of them. You are filed under “South America”.
Never have I ever read an international paper that said “Columbia in the Caribbean” it’s always “Columbia in South America.”
Trinidad is basically one of the 3 mains of the Caribbean. Trinidad, Jamaica, Barbados. Not you 🤣🤣
Soca, Carnival, Calypso, Steelpan.
I can’t name a single influence Colombia brings to the Caribbean. But when people play a Caribbean beat it has steelpan in it. Some reggae. They want to vacation in Barbados. Not Colombia.
And btw Trinidad is in the Caribbean Sea. Just a bit of Geography for you.
While Colombia touches the Caribbean Sea and has Caribbean influences on its coastline, the country in its entirety is not considered Caribbean. Your history, culture, politics and people are too different and extremely complex. Tbh. Idk why y’all wanna be Caribbean, I absolutely enjoyed learning Colombian history in International Relations of Latin America.
The jewel of the Caribbean is St. Lucia btw. But you know what. If y’all wanna be Caribbean so bad why not?
More of us is always better.
Yes you have actually repeated it many times to the same comment. I am trying to answer you but you replied so many times I am only going to respond here.
I get what you are saying now. It was difficult to distinguish. You are saying the north is culturally Caribbean. Okay. It sounds much different from your other comments that called Colombia Caribbean.
No I get it and I agree actually. Thanks for clarifying.
If you scroll up this has been my whole point. The north is Caribbean nothing else is. That’s it, but everyone is interpreting it as me saying every Colombian is Caribbean which is dumb
You’re correct Colombia is incredibly complex that’s why I said only the north is Caribbean they call themselves Caribbean , and have been considered as such not the country as whole everyone is misinterpreting me. Only the north that has been self identified as Caribbean everyone from there is considered Caribbean has Caribbean culture Caribbean music, and has been considered Caribbean from the start
Mano more than half of the comments disagree with you. You don’t even know anything about the Hispanic Caribbean, plus you yourself said Guyana was Caribbean that’s not an island. Colombia as a whole isn’t Caribbean but its coast which borders the Caribbean Sea is considered from the start as Caribbean. We are apart of the Hispanic Caribbean such as Cuba and Dominican Republic, our dialect is considered a part of Caribbean Spanish. We have the first instance of cornrows in the new world, we contributed cumbia, vallenato, champeta. But you don’t know anything about the Hispanic Caribbean , everything you talk about doesn’t apply to the non anglophone Caribbean’s
I studied IR of the Caribbean and Latin America! (I work in diplomacy) You ARE NOT Caribbean. In no official term, text, definition, state grouping, cultural grouping nothing!
Puerto Rico, the DR, Cuba are considered Latin America AND Caribbean.
Not Colombia. You may touch the Caribbean Sea, your coastline may have Caribbean influence. And I think you guys are partly on the Caribbean plate.
But Colombia as a sovereign state and nations is NOT a Caribbean nation state (i.e. country).
When the Caribbean countries are called to speak at ANY UN council, you are grouped with Latin America particularly South America. NOT the Caribbean.
The comments can disagree, this is a group made by Latin Americans so they will of course have more pull in the comments. But 1 million people can have an opinion it does not change facts.
Why do you want to be considered Caribbean anyway? Isn’t it amazing to be considered Latin American and South American already? What’s the desire?
By all means, if y’all wanna be Caribbean, I am not against it. You do you but you aren’t officially. So maybe….apply? 🤷♀️
I never said Colombia is a Caribbean country that would be dumb to say I said the north has always been part of the Hispanic Caribbean culturally. Colombia is very big, we have an Andean region but we aren’t Andean. Pacific coast but we aren’t pacific. We have a Caribbean coast but we aren’t Caribbean. I’m Caribbean, I’m from the north ask anyone from here we will say we are Caribbean. But my dad isn’t from here and he’s still Colombian but not Caribbean. Colombia isn’t like other countries it’s not culturally homogenous at all, the north is culturally, dialectically and even politically Caribbean and has always been considered much.
I don’t think you understand… I never said Colombia is Caribbean. I said the NORTH self proclaimed Caribbean parts of Colombia are Caribbean. Ask any costeño they will say they’re Caribbean
This question gets asked at least once a week -- here and in similar subs like /AskLATAM -- and the answer is always "If it's on the Caribbean, it's a Caribbean country."
Yeah I was excited to speak patios with a Jamaican only to realize it’s just them speaking with a bunch of English sounding words and slangs. I know Patois to be French based with no native English speakers understanding it.
I'm Guyanese. Intresting thing about Guyana is that it's not located in the Caribbean and shares no Caribbean coast line compared to central America, Colombia and Venezuela who are part of a mainland and share a Caribbean or West indies coast line. What makes Guyana Caribbean is that Guyana black population, majority are descended from Barbadian blacks who moved to Guyana to find work bringing a British afro Caribbean culture, also many Indians in Guyana travel to and from Trinidad and Tobago bringing alot of Trinidian culture for consumption making Guyana feel like another Trinidad. On the other hand Guyana Ameridnian or native Population is uniquely South American with tribes being related to other tribes in Brazil and Venezuela. In a nutshell guyana is an Anglo Caribbean country located away from the Caribbean in South America.
San Andres, Providencia and the Caribbean coast of mainland Colombia are definitely Caribbean. Colombia has a strong Salsa music culture and Palenquero is the only known Spanish Creole.
Yes
The Florida and Texas are Caribbean
“Then”
Unpopular opinion, no. I consider “Caribbean”, the Caribbean islands. Sure Northern Colombia and Venezuela have Caribbean influence, but they are not Caribbean.
That’s what I also think
So where do you make the distinction, Colombia's insular region is clearly Caribbean, Assuming you only know salsa it is easy to say that Colombia's Caribbean Coast has Caribbean influence, but the other way around happens as well, for example, vallenato has shaped some songs of Dominican merengue. Idk, you should read what García Márquez's take on the Caribbean was
^ right there. Colombian and Venezuelan islands, like San Andres are Caribbean to me, Colombia and Venezuela are South American countries, they are not Caribbean, sure they have Caribbean influence but they are not Caribbean, that’s just my opinion & respectfully, I don’t really care about what Garcia Marquez take on the Caribbean was. Influence is just influence, Chile has their own regueton & that doesn’t make them Caribbean.
It's a weird take, San Andrés and Providencia are located in North America geographically, have developed their own creole language, so that's not Caribbean somehow
They literally just told you, the islands are, the mainlands aren't.
Yes. But I think it’s important to distinguish between continental and insular Caribbean people because we are not entirely the same as much as people try to make it seem that way on this sub, and I’m referring to specifically Hispanophone Caribbean people with this.
I disagree. Why make that distinction? Guyanese and Trinidadians have a stronger Indian culture than the rest of the countries and they don’t need to differentiate themselves and yet us Hispanic Caribbeans do? Makes no sense.
Barbados also has a strong Indian culture btw and Jamaica has a sizeable one.
Continental Hispanophone culture is much, much, and I mean MUCH more influenced by indigenous culture, customs, and history than insular Caribbean culture and this leads to some very obvious differences.
But we’re talking about Venezuela and coastal Colombia both regions do not have much native influence. Hell even up to Medellin there’s not much native influence. Only southern Colombia and the Amazon portion of Venezuela have strong indigenous culture and those areas are not Caribbean. But also having indigenous culture doesn’t mean you’re less Caribbean. Belize has Mayan speakers does that make them less Caribbean?
Both the Venezuelan & Colombian Caribbean have very strong indigenous influence, and save from a few areas it’s actually stronger than the African influence (I have been to both places and can attest to this) both in terms of culture and physical appearance. And I never called them “less Caribbean” I just called them different from insular Caribbeans and I would be correct. We have nowhere near that amount of indigenous influence on the islands.
Aruba is more indigenous than African. And Puerto Rico really doesnt count as being more African either. It is more spanish and indigenous than, for example, Jamaican, so I doubt this person represents the opinion of most boricuos.
The insular Caribbeans I’m referring to in my comment are the ones from Hispanophone islands. And yes African culture is much stronger in Puerto Rican, and in the other Hispanophone Caribbean islands, than the mainland Caribbean countries due to our history and differing settlement patterns.
You say much native influence but have yet to name anything that would make them culturally more native. And if you’re talking about ancestry then that has nothing to do with being Caribbean or not. There’s some Puerto Ricans with more Taino than African and that doesn’t make them less Caribbean. What cultural elements do they (Venezuelans and Colombians) have that make them so different from us?
Colombia & Venezuela:
A lot of the things that make them seem similar to insular Caribbean are just things that we produce that they happen to consume (merengue, salsa, reggaeton, etc). I have been to Caracas, Maracaibo, Barranquilla, Cartagena, and while they did have Caribbean influences I definitely FELT like I was in South America in all these places.
That’s just wrong both of the largest indigenous groups in Colombia are found in the Caribbean
Those indigenous groups are not culturally Caribbean in fact they are treated badly and discriminated against whereas in southern Colombia the indigenous culture is part of the overall culture. It’s like saying the average person from Arizona is culturally Navajo or Hopi when in fact those group live in isolated communities.
Oh okay then I agree with yiu
Go on, then. Distinguish.
If it touches our sea, it's Caribbean.
(There are also places that don't touch it that I'd consider Caribbean too)
If I understand correctly, the Bahamas is geographically not a part of the Caribbean but culturally it is
Precisely
Of course
I’m Puerto Rican and yes. They speak Caribbean Spanish, make, sing, and dance the same Caribbean music as us (salsa, merengue, bachata, reggaeton) eat the same foods, hell I’ve even seen some do Santeria. It’s only not Caribbean to the ignorant.
People here skipping vallenato, the strongest Caribbean music genre from Colombia.
It's not vallenato's fault that while the popular classes embrace it, the transnational elites disregard it.
Cumbia too.
some also speak an english creole
They also enjoy music from the Anglophone area. I check out their DJ'S on You Tube and read the comments.
Can we stop with these questions, tho? Yes, already!
Its mainly Black Americans who are petty with this nonsense. They think they are experts at everything regarding race and culture of black people around the entire world. Its cultural imperialism, at work. Its also the fallacious 1 drop rule and theory that infected and warped their thinking like a disease....They should stick to questions regarding the plethora of issues affecting their own communities right in the states. I assure anyone that Carribean Colombia or Venezuela are not even thinking or giving much thought to this. If any at all Or however one terms them.
100%
This question constantly comes up. It is consistently yes for the majority. Theres only a small contingent of British Caribbeans who (falsely) claim that Caribbean culture is specific to english speaking islands.
It has nothing to do with language though it's a regional thing.
No english speaking folk doubt haiti and the dominican are caribbean for example, but columbia is much more distant and some people think it's closer to a general southern american culture.
I don’t mean this to be an ass but I thought Caribbeans was bad to say?
Caribbeans is bad to say only for English speakers/Anglo Caribbeans. Us Hispanophone and I believe Francophone Caribbeans don't have any problem with the term because in our languages that's how we speak/refer to the people's region.
ya pues siempre he tenido esa duda, hasta con los colombianos que conozco a veces no se como prefieren que les diga
Pero eso es distinto, es cuando los chilenos le dicen caribeños a los colombianos o venezolanos de forma despectiva, y de hecho racista ya que ellos básicamente quieren decir caribe=negro=malo y barbárico. Además, a razón de ponerle más nuance a la respuesta, el problema es pintar a toda Colombia o Venezuela como caribeños cuando son países que tienen regiones andinas, amazónicas, llanos, y en el caso de Colombia pacifico. Es decir, los colombianos sabemos que somos parte caribeños, al menos casi un 25%, pero pues no es todo el país, y tampoco es de la forma en que a los conosurenos les encanta pintarnos.
pues claro nunca le diría caribeño a un paisa pero tampoco sería como insulto. He vivido casi toda mi vida afuera de colombia, no sabía que los chilenos o quienes sean utilizan el término de forma despectiva. que feo
That's interesting because the Raizal are more related to anglophone Caribbean people specifically Jamaicans than they are to Caribbean Latinos.
Yes, including San Andres & Providencia islands which are also Colombia and located in the Western Caribbean.
Yeah, I mean, just listen to the way they speak in Cartagena
Ve’dad
Yes
I mean how is it not?
It is. It objectively is. You can step into the Caribbean sea out of these cities. But many people will say it's not, because it doesn't fit their preconceived notions of the Caribbean, and because Colombia's most well known cities are in the Andes.
It depends on who you ask,personally I’ve always seen “The Caribbean” as islands and territories that encompass its waters, so I don’t see why they shouldn’t be included. Trinidad’s although not in the Caribbean geographically, in terms of history and culture it’s very Caribbean.
What the heck do you mean Trinidad is not in the Caribbean geographically bruv? It’s the last island in the Caribbean Sea.
Did you mean Guyana??
It have to be a Haitian spewing that mess…lol…. Get a map! Trinidad and Tobago IS A CARIBBEAN ISLAND. The very last one and one of the strongest nation that supports CARICOM
Wym it has to be Haitian. You weirdos in this sub love attacking one group of ppl and we already know it. Look at you goofball I said w Trinidad is in the Atlantic you did not give me a rebuttal but say it’s the last one and call out names.
Trinidad sits on the Caribbean shelf not exactly in the Caribbean it’s in the Atlantic technically
That would make Barbados completely in the Atlantic.
Geographically: Trinidad is on the Caribbean plate, and it is in the Caribbean Sea. So I’m not really sure where you’re getting this from.
Culturally: Trinidad makes up the core culture of the Caribbean. Steelpan, our Carnival, most of the snacks in the Caribbean, Soca, Calypso.
Politically: we are one of the backbone economies of the Caribbean.
So, no. I don’t get what you are trying to say.
Are you speaking about Barbados? Cause it’s further east than Trinidad and is geographically in the Atlantic Ocean but is considered a Caribbean nation. Your facts is hella wrong with Trinidad. It’s very much in the Caribbean Sea.
I said Trinidad and but that includes Barbados too
No, Trinidad is on the edge of the Caribbean basin and the north of Trinidad is the Caribbean Sea. Barbados is entirely in the Atlantic.
Caribbean in general? No. Caribbean mindset? Hell yes. That being said if I were abroad and met a northern Colombian I have a feeling we would click
What does Caribbean in general even mean?
Like our culture, relationships with other countries etc I mean it isn't part of the caribbean but it shares a lot of similarities with us
I mean there isn’t just one Caribbean culture. They are Hispanic Caribbean (like us Puerto Ricans) and you are Anglo Caribbean both are valid
Yes I know. But I don't consider them Hispanic caribbean I consider them latim american
Puerto Rico, Cuba, and DR are also Latin American. You can be both Latin American and Caribbean.
Latam is generally considered separate from the Caribbean tho
According to? Because that’s not what we learn in Colombian schools
Never heard a single person say Colombia is part of the caribbean. Yall are South american not caribbean! Thats like saying Canada is European cuz they share an island with Denmark. If yall are being taught that then theres something wrong with your education system cuz here we learn the caribbean countries and yall are not 1 of them!
Do you understand that different cultures have different ways of seeing the world? Right? Have you interacted with people who speak other languages than English? You sound really dumb, and kind of proud of being dumb, like not a gram of curiosity or anything like that. Whatever, Colombia is part Caribbean, and that is something you don’t have a say on, so rage as much as you want
It isn't part of the Caribbean with a very long Caribbean coast? How is that possible?
Caribbean coast means little to nothing 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️ pretty sure American and Mexico has Caribbean coast but isn't Caribbean. It's really history, culture, politics and etc.
Oh. You might be talking about West Indian, not Caribbean. USA has zero Caribbean Sea coast, unless you want to count the USVI and Puerto Rico.
West Indian and Caribbean are the same thing and isn't Florida in the Caribbean?
No. Florida is not in the Caribbean, lol! West Indian and Caribbean are most definitely not the same thing either, although people tend to confuse the hell out of those two things. I would describe West Indian as a subset of Caribbean - but they are not synonyms, not from based on the historical and politico-cultural dimensions you're talking about.
Ok the west indies were originally just the British Caribbean originally but since modern times people refers to the west indies as the whole Caribbean. So no the west indies isn't a subset of the Caribbean but you want to go with the original meaning then it will be a section of the Caribbean. The historical and political part of what you said was dumbest I heard thus far
This is from your own post - exactly as you wrote it:
"Caribbean coast means little to nothing 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️ pretty sure American and Mexico has Caribbean coast but isn't Caribbean. It's really history, culture, politics and etc."
Exactly because Panamá has a smaller Caribbean coast than both Colombia and Venezuela and it is objectively more Caribbean historically, culturally, and demographically.
How can YOU be Caribbean and yet Northern Colombia, which is VERY close by to T&T, is not? Lol.
Preach, we have neighbourhoods that are islands off the coast in north Colombia that are far away from the continent as Trinidad and Tobago
We are Caribbean? We’ve been seen as Caribbean from the start
No? No one here really thinks of yall as Caribbean
If we’re not you are not Caribbean, like Guyana. Trinidad and Tobago is an island as far away from the mainland as some parts of Cartagena since it’s basically an island city. We speak Caribbean Spanish like Puerto Ricans and cubas and have heavy Afro ancestry
Um hello? Trinidad ans Tobago is part of the caribbean genius. And Guyana is widely recognised to be Caribbean its just in south America. But Guyanas case doesn't apply to Colombia because yall are way too far away Just because you share similarities with the Hispanic caribbean doesn't make you caribbean Tangerines are really similar to oranges but they can never be oranges can they?
These people are off off. I had to reply to his comment to you. Imagine a whole non-Caribbean saying one of the main Caribbean islands isn’t Caribbean 🤣🤣. But they want to use our Steelpan. Bredda man. 🤣🤣
I never said Trini isn’t Caribbean I said that Colombia has islands that are as far off from the mainland as Trinidad y Tobago so if the Caribbean Colombians aren’t Caribbean the same applies to them. More than half of the comments disagree with you
Yeah no. Colombia cant be caribbean and south american at the same time. What do you not understand when I say that you all aren't caribbean? Just because you share similarities with us doesn't make you one of us! You all speak Spanish but you aren't Europeans like Spain are you?
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I mean if you say so I can accept you are caribbean. I don't think you understand that I have no problem with you all being considered caribbean cuz I do love Colombia, I'm just arguing because you aren't considered caribbean right now. Granted Im aware that Colombian society is heterogeneous but until the rest of the caribbean accepts yall as 1 of us well have to agree to disagree. Im more than happy if you all become one of us but until then you cant be considered caribbean I'm sorry
I don’t think you understand. North of Colombia has ALWAYS been considered part of the Caribbean before Colombia as a country existed. I’m not saying all of Colombia is Caribbean I’m saying the north is. I’m from the north, we call ourselves Caribbean, are understood to be a part of the Caribbean. We have been part of the Caribbean since the Caribbean colonies have exitsted.
Before Colombia was Colombia it was just city states and those city states were considered as part of Caribbean. Our natives are directly related to tainos both linguistically and ethnically
The mainland? The main part of the Caribbean are the ISLANDS. Who are in the Caribbean Sea. Are you part of CARIFTA? Are you part of CARICOM? Literally no one thinks of you as Caribbean.
When they call the Caribbean countries to the UN council you are not listed as one of them. You are filed under “South America”.
Never have I ever read an international paper that said “Columbia in the Caribbean” it’s always “Columbia in South America.”
Trinidad is basically one of the 3 mains of the Caribbean. Trinidad, Jamaica, Barbados. Not you 🤣🤣
Soca, Carnival, Calypso, Steelpan.
I can’t name a single influence Colombia brings to the Caribbean. But when people play a Caribbean beat it has steelpan in it. Some reggae. They want to vacation in Barbados. Not Colombia.
And btw Trinidad is in the Caribbean Sea. Just a bit of Geography for you.
Cartagena is literally known as a Caribbean city which is northern Colombia it’s also called the jewel of the Caribbean
While Colombia touches the Caribbean Sea and has Caribbean influences on its coastline, the country in its entirety is not considered Caribbean. Your history, culture, politics and people are too different and extremely complex. Tbh. Idk why y’all wanna be Caribbean, I absolutely enjoyed learning Colombian history in International Relations of Latin America. The jewel of the Caribbean is St. Lucia btw. But you know what. If y’all wanna be Caribbean so bad why not? More of us is always better.
Im aware it’s not the whole country, I’ve repeated my point a bunch of time. The north of it is, the rest of Colombia isn’t
Yes you have actually repeated it many times to the same comment. I am trying to answer you but you replied so many times I am only going to respond here. I get what you are saying now. It was difficult to distinguish. You are saying the north is culturally Caribbean. Okay. It sounds much different from your other comments that called Colombia Caribbean.
No I get it and I agree actually. Thanks for clarifying.
If you scroll up this has been my whole point. The north is Caribbean nothing else is. That’s it, but everyone is interpreting it as me saying every Colombian is Caribbean which is dumb
You’re correct Colombia is incredibly complex that’s why I said only the north is Caribbean they call themselves Caribbean , and have been considered as such not the country as whole everyone is misinterpreting me. Only the north that has been self identified as Caribbean everyone from there is considered Caribbean has Caribbean culture Caribbean music, and has been considered Caribbean from the start
Im from the coastline this is literally my point
No person from Medellin or Cali will call themselves Caribbean
we have an province in Colombia where they speak an English creole language adjacent to patois
Mano more than half of the comments disagree with you. You don’t even know anything about the Hispanic Caribbean, plus you yourself said Guyana was Caribbean that’s not an island. Colombia as a whole isn’t Caribbean but its coast which borders the Caribbean Sea is considered from the start as Caribbean. We are apart of the Hispanic Caribbean such as Cuba and Dominican Republic, our dialect is considered a part of Caribbean Spanish. We have the first instance of cornrows in the new world, we contributed cumbia, vallenato, champeta. But you don’t know anything about the Hispanic Caribbean , everything you talk about doesn’t apply to the non anglophone Caribbean’s
I studied IR of the Caribbean and Latin America! (I work in diplomacy) You ARE NOT Caribbean. In no official term, text, definition, state grouping, cultural grouping nothing!
Puerto Rico, the DR, Cuba are considered Latin America AND Caribbean.
Not Colombia. You may touch the Caribbean Sea, your coastline may have Caribbean influence. And I think you guys are partly on the Caribbean plate.
But Colombia as a sovereign state and nations is NOT a Caribbean nation state (i.e. country).
When the Caribbean countries are called to speak at ANY UN council, you are grouped with Latin America particularly South America. NOT the Caribbean.
The comments can disagree, this is a group made by Latin Americans so they will of course have more pull in the comments. But 1 million people can have an opinion it does not change facts.
Why do you want to be considered Caribbean anyway? Isn’t it amazing to be considered Latin American and South American already? What’s the desire?
By all means, if y’all wanna be Caribbean, I am not against it. You do you but you aren’t officially. So maybe….apply? 🤷♀️
I never said Colombia is a Caribbean country that would be dumb to say I said the north has always been part of the Hispanic Caribbean culturally. Colombia is very big, we have an Andean region but we aren’t Andean. Pacific coast but we aren’t pacific. We have a Caribbean coast but we aren’t Caribbean. I’m Caribbean, I’m from the north ask anyone from here we will say we are Caribbean. But my dad isn’t from here and he’s still Colombian but not Caribbean. Colombia isn’t like other countries it’s not culturally homogenous at all, the north is culturally, dialectically and even politically Caribbean and has always been considered much.
Colombia is ridiculously big. I’m saying the north is Caribbean which is around 12 million people are Caribbean, but not all 53 million.
I don’t think you understand… I never said Colombia is Caribbean. I said the NORTH self proclaimed Caribbean parts of Colombia are Caribbean. Ask any costeño they will say they’re Caribbean
I’ve had the pleasure of meeting folks from there who proudly culturally identify with the Caribbean, so I’ma say yeah, lol.
This question gets asked at least once a week -- here and in similar subs like /AskLATAM -- and the answer is always "If it's on the Caribbean, it's a Caribbean country."
Yes
That sounds lovely actually. Most patois besides Jamaican patois is French. Patois is a French word. Our patois is French, and St. Lucia’s too.
Yeah I was excited to speak patios with a Jamaican only to realize it’s just them speaking with a bunch of English sounding words and slangs. I know Patois to be French based with no native English speakers understanding it.
I'm Guyanese. Intresting thing about Guyana is that it's not located in the Caribbean and shares no Caribbean coast line compared to central America, Colombia and Venezuela who are part of a mainland and share a Caribbean or West indies coast line. What makes Guyana Caribbean is that Guyana black population, majority are descended from Barbadian blacks who moved to Guyana to find work bringing a British afro Caribbean culture, also many Indians in Guyana travel to and from Trinidad and Tobago bringing alot of Trinidian culture for consumption making Guyana feel like another Trinidad. On the other hand Guyana Ameridnian or native Population is uniquely South American with tribes being related to other tribes in Brazil and Venezuela. In a nutshell guyana is an Anglo Caribbean country located away from the Caribbean in South America.
From a weather standpoint the difference is a lack of hurricanes
Yes, Northern Colombia and Venezuela has a lot of Caribbean culture and they let you know that too.
I do, personally.
No. That’s South America
So is Guyana. Also, Guyana doesnt even have a Caribbean coast btw
Yes Colombia is Caribbean Andean pacific Amazonian all at the same time it’s a country of 50 million people of course it has regional differences
Huge country