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Exactly. The Nazis were corporatist-capitalist, and that didn’t stop them from conflicting with the liberal-capitalists. Capitalism isn’t a monolith just as socialism isn’t a monolith.
Sure. Regardless you can see in Nazism that fascism includes the dominance of one sector of capital over others. The “productive” capital as the Nazis called it as opposed to “Jewish” or “finance” capital.
That was only in rhetoric though, the MEFO bills were used as currency for this reason. Nazis used the finance sector as an example of Jewish economic control in rhetoric only.
There were of course Nazis who actually drank the kool-aid and actually acted in line with their claimed ideology, these were from the NSDAP’s “left-wing” such as Röhm and the Strassers; which were corporatists as opposed to the Hitler-wing.
Your mention of the strasserite left wing is very true (and they got purged for being slightly more anti capitalist than Hitler was comfortable with.)
But, there was legitimate nationalization of Jewish assets by the Nazi regime, often to be given out to other capitalists. My only point was that the Nazis were capitalist but being capitalist does not mean you are inherently in alliance with every other capitalists. That’s the fault of class essentialism or economism. The fact that some Jewish people were economically capitalists did not stop the Nazi regime from targeting them for social/ideological reasons.
I may have not been clear in my wording; I meant they still hated Jews and wanted to genocide them, but they didn’t care about finance capital in actuality.
Definitely, I think we do agree. They didn’t care about real finance capital, just what they called “finance capital.” Which was also “Jewish capital.”
I’m my opinion I think you see similar dynamics today with MAGA, they rhetorically and sometimes even in policy go against the “globalist” (liberal) capitalists while promoting “American” (conservative) capitalists. It’s an interesting aspect of fascist study I think deserves more attention, how fascism may represent the triumph of one faction of capital over other factions of capitalists in the balance of power of capitalist society.
“If America is Christian why do Russian fundamentalists and their blood thirsty followers hate it so much?”
Two things can be true independent of each other. China’s move to capitalism does not devalue the threat it poses to existing capitalist nations and their elite.
No? A good chunk of the big American corporations benefit from the Chinese system. It’s mostly the middle ones who either can’t compete with Chinese manufacturing or their contractors that stand against them. And that is more a matter of capitalist infighting than ideological conflict.
Even American corporations benefited from the Ussr in 20s , your point is?
They stand against system cause of their communist system that control capitalism and banking
Corporations only turned on the Union because it was more beneficial for them to agree with the government, which was less intertwined with big business at the time. Pepsi bought a fleet from the Soviets, the North Koreans bought a bunch of consumer vehicles from the west (and refused to pay them off but that’s beside the point), etc.
But that’s beside the point. The point is nothing you’ve said has really proven they hate China. Considering how constantly willing they are to conduct business in China and forge deals with Chinese companies. What would you raise that points to substantial corporate opposition to the Chinese system?
Trump’s policies? Who’s an isolationist that the corporations have opposed since his initial nomination with proven suppression of him and his followers on Facebook and Twitter? Whose opposition to H1B visas caused a rift to form between him and the billionaire nepobaby who had been helping fund much of his campaign in 2020?
They turned because the union offered them business in exchange of investments and tech transfer , doesn’t mean the Ussr capitalist
The way China handling it’s economy from capital control to land ownership to outcompeting capitalist state is fundamentally against capitalism
The EU is forming deeper ties with the Chinese and have been for decades. The Comprehensive Agreement on Investment and the fact the Euros and Chinese are both each other largest trade partners.
Argentina, which mind is ran by Milei (an anarchy-capitalist), initially suspended an agreement to trade with China in Yuan before renewing the agreement in 2024.
Google and Disney have both been long known for censoring things to suit the Chinese government’s tastes.
Everything points to the capitalist establishment seeing no threat in the Chinese system only Chinese companies.
All of those you mentioned are anti China , are you joking ?
Trade ≠ agreement
The Ussr was trading was Japan and Europe , doesn’t mean Ussr was capitalist or loved by Japan and Europe
“If America is Christian why do Russian fundamentalists and their blood thirsty followers hate it so much?”
Two things can be true independent of each other. China’s move to capitalism does not devalue the threat it poses to existing capitalist nations and their elite.
Thank you
“If America is Christian why do Russian fundamentalists and their blood thirsty followers hate it so much?”
All I’ve ever heard is that most Russians view the west as having been corrupted by a liberal softness that has rendered society weak, feminine, and Godless. Granted, I have also heard Russians are prone to outdated conspiracy theories as well, believing the monarchy of Britain and the Catholic Church remain dominant powers over much of western politics and business.
I'd go a bit further than that. China deliberately undervalues it's currency in order to build reserves of foreign capital. In a sense, Chinese workers are deliberately paid less than they are worth so that the Chinese state can accumulate capital. Exactly how corporations work under capitalism.
Probably because they can't break into that market in the ways that they do in say America where they can undermine the guardrails via lobbyist bribes and whatnot.
Billionaires want Unfettered Capitalism so they can make as much money as possible no matter the damage that they do.
Capitalism isn't a principled ideology. They like things that make it easier for them to make money and hate things that don't.
Capitalists hate taxes, but love handouts. They hate foreign protectionism but love their own.
People only truly espouse a libertarian, free market, Austrian school philosophy when they're speaking academically. As soon as the government policy is projected to help them they'll abandon any thoughts of efficient markets.
Also, China isn't really capitalist. They tolerate private capital to the extent it does things they're unable to do, but it's pretty clear rhetorically and in their actions they do this begrudgingly and see it as a necessary evil. Also companies are forced to have a certain amount of state ownership and directorial control, and most truly capitalist Chinese companies try to have as little to do with China as possible. Big, ambitious companies register in tax havens and list in exchanges such as NY, HK, Singapore or London and not Shanghai-Shenzhen (which is mostly full of state owned partially privatised companies like Maotai or Pingan health)
Many of them are in prison or disappeared, which the "democracy activists" call horrible because western democracy is when rich people dictate everything.
Most of the people currently languishing in prison in China are not rich at all. Most of them, like in the USA, are poor. I find this argument in defence of Chinese capitalism so strange. When the CCP executes or imprisons a billionaire, it isn't because that person is a billionaire, or even usually because they're corrupt. It's almost always because they ran afoul of Xi Xinping's government in some other way. Most Chinese billionaires are still out there living the life of Riley at the expense of 100s of millions of working-class Chinese people.
They broke the law, not "ran afoul of Xi Xinping's government". It's as if westerners have accepted that the law is only enforced on working class people, and any enforcement on capitalists is an affront to the "natural order".
They broke the law, not "ran afoul of Xi Xinping's government".
Xi allows his own political allies to get away with all manner of corruption and shady legal behaviour when it is expedient to him. China does not have a legal system based on the rule of law. Xi does not care about billionaires "breaking the law". By definition they live above it.
". It's as if westerners have accepted that the law is only enforced on working class people, and any enforcement on capitalists is an affront to the "natural order".
No, it's Westerners like you who have fundamentally misunderstood how power politics works in the upper echelons of the CCP.
Tencent's business practices are against chinese business regulations but the Chinese state turns a blind eye while enforcing those same regulations against Tencent's competitors, so long as Tencent behaves like an extension of the Chinese government. This behavior is not unique to china and is, in fact, very common in capitalist countries and fascist countries.
As a friendly reminder, China's ruling party is called Communist Party of China (CPC), not Chinese Communist Party (CCP) as western press and academia often frames it as.
Far from being a simple confusion, China's Communist Party takes its name out of the internationalist approach seekt by the Comintern back in the day. From Terms of Admission into Communist International, as adopted by the First Congress of the Communist International:
In view of the foregoing, parties wishing to join the Communist International must change their name. Any party seeking affiliation must call itself the Communist Party of the country in question (Section of the Third, Communist International). The question of a party’s name is not merely a formality, but a matter of major political importance. The Communist International has declared a resolute war on the bourgeois world and all yellow Social-Democratic parties. The difference between the Communist parties and the old and official “Social-Democratic”, or “socialist”, parties, which have betrayed the banner of the working class, must be made absolutely clear to every rank-and-file worker.
Similarly, the adoption of a wrong name to refer to the CPC consists of a double edged sword: on the one hand, it seeks to reduce the ideological basis behind the party's name to a more ethno-centric view of said organization and, on the other hand, it seeks to assert authority over it by attempting to externally draw the conditions and parameters on which it provides the CPC recognition.
As a friendly reminder, China's ruling party is called Communist Party of China (CPC), not Chinese Communist Party (CCP) as western press and academia often frames it as.
No! The real name for the CCP is 中国共产党 (Zhōngguó Gòngchǎndǎng) which literally translates to English as "Chinese Communist Party". The CCP uses the acronym CPC in the official English translations of state propaganda, but I guarantee that no Chinese person will care if you say "CCP." It's only dumb Westerners on reddit who continuously make a point of telling people the CCP calls itself the "CPC" when communicating with English speakers.
As a friendly reminder, China's ruling party is called Communist Party of China (CPC), not Chinese Communist Party (CCP) as western press and academia often frames it as.
Far from being a simple confusion, China's Communist Party takes its name out of the internationalist approach seekt by the Comintern back in the day. From Terms of Admission into Communist International, as adopted by the First Congress of the Communist International:
In view of the foregoing, parties wishing to join the Communist International must change their name. Any party seeking affiliation must call itself the Communist Party of the country in question (Section of the Third, Communist International). The question of a party’s name is not merely a formality, but a matter of major political importance. The Communist International has declared a resolute war on the bourgeois world and all yellow Social-Democratic parties. The difference between the Communist parties and the old and official “Social-Democratic”, or “socialist”, parties, which have betrayed the banner of the working class, must be made absolutely clear to every rank-and-file worker.
Similarly, the adoption of a wrong name to refer to the CPC consists of a double edged sword: on the one hand, it seeks to reduce the ideological basis behind the party's name to a more ethno-centric view of said organization and, on the other hand, it seeks to assert authority over it by attempting to externally draw the conditions and parameters on which it provides the CPC recognition.
As a friendly reminder, China's ruling party is called Communist Party of China (CPC), not Chinese Communist Party (CCP) as western press and academia often frames it as.
Far from being a simple confusion, China's Communist Party takes its name out of the internationalist approach seekt by the Comintern back in the day. From Terms of Admission into Communist International, as adopted by the First Congress of the Communist International:
In view of the foregoing, parties wishing to join the Communist International must change their name. Any party seeking affiliation must call itself the Communist Party of the country in question (Section of the Third, Communist International). The question of a party’s name is not merely a formality, but a matter of major political importance. The Communist International has declared a resolute war on the bourgeois world and all yellow Social-Democratic parties. The difference between the Communist parties and the old and official “Social-Democratic”, or “socialist”, parties, which have betrayed the banner of the working class, must be made absolutely clear to every rank-and-file worker.
Similarly, the adoption of a wrong name to refer to the CPC consists of a double edged sword: on the one hand, it seeks to reduce the ideological basis behind the party's name to a more ethno-centric view of said organization and, on the other hand, it seeks to assert authority over it by attempting to externally draw the conditions and parameters on which it provides the CPC recognition.
As a friendly reminder, China's ruling party is called Communist Party of China (CPC), not Chinese Communist Party (CCP) as western press and academia often frames it as.
No! The real name for the CCP is 中国共产党 (Zhōngguó Gòngchǎndǎng) which literally translates to English as "Chinese Communist Party". The CCP uses the acronym CPC in the official English translations of state propaganda, but I guarantee that no Chinese person will care if you say "CCP." It's only dumb Westerners on reddit who continuously make a point of telling people the CCP calls itself the "CPC" when communicating with English speakers.
No, because I have Chinese friends who have taught me a little bit of Mandarin. I know all of that must be a completely alien concept to you, but believe it or not, it's actually possible to talk to people from China.
中国 literally means Middle Kingdom aka China.
Actually, it would usually be translated as "Middle Country" rather than "Kingdom" these days. But yes! Thank you, Captain Obvious. You know that the Mandarin word for "China" literally translates to English as "Middle Kingdom/Country" which is quite literally one of the first things you'll learn in any beginner level Mandarin language course.
Adjectives in Chinese don't work the way they do in English
Don't let that distract you from the fact that in Mandarin The Communist Party of China is called 中国共产党 which in pinyin is Zhōngguó Gòngchǎndǎng.
But to reiterate, don't let this distract you from the fact that in the language of Mandarin, which is the language spoken by most people in the People's Republic of China, Zhōngguó Gòngchǎndǎng refers to the CPC. That means if you go to China and were to speak to someone in Mandarin, they would use those words to refer to the CPC. Am I making sense to you?
As a friendly reminder, China's ruling party is called Communist Party of China (CPC), not Chinese Communist Party (CCP) as western press and academia often frames it as.
Far from being a simple confusion, China's Communist Party takes its name out of the internationalist approach seekt by the Comintern back in the day. From Terms of Admission into Communist International, as adopted by the First Congress of the Communist International:
In view of the foregoing, parties wishing to join the Communist International must change their name. Any party seeking affiliation must call itself the Communist Party of the country in question (Section of the Third, Communist International). The question of a party’s name is not merely a formality, but a matter of major political importance. The Communist International has declared a resolute war on the bourgeois world and all yellow Social-Democratic parties. The difference between the Communist parties and the old and official “Social-Democratic”, or “socialist”, parties, which have betrayed the banner of the working class, must be made absolutely clear to every rank-and-file worker.
Similarly, the adoption of a wrong name to refer to the CPC consists of a double edged sword: on the one hand, it seeks to reduce the ideological basis behind the party's name to a more ethno-centric view of said organization and, on the other hand, it seeks to assert authority over it by attempting to externally draw the conditions and parameters on which it provides the CPC recognition.
Because capitalists are often at cross-purposes with other capitalists? Corporate Democrats are pretty capitalist too, that doesn’t stop them from being at cross purposes with Republicans.
You do realize capitalists hate other capitalists too, right?
China’s own capitalist class’ material interests are completely against that of the ones in the US; they can be managers under US economic domination, or have the possibility to become the economic hegemon of the world if they fight the US’ capitalist class by simply existing.
Soviets had 48% worker efficiency compared to US in 1980s. Don’t think about whether China is capitalist or communist too much, as long as they don’t invade to protect their capital interests in a sovereign, especially when US is hemorrhaging trillion dollars on military.
is not capitalist, china work in a way that american hate it, there in china if the govern say A all the companies have to do what they say, and if some millionaire try to do something they arrest him and bye bye, in the west billionaires command the govern, this is why they hate it
Soros hate China because he lost so much money to HK And Chinese government. He is just a old stupid jerk in Chinese mind.
And categorize China as simply capitalist is scih a naive view.
Watch the below to understand how China is run.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eWmM7fagcug
The feelings of individual capitalists don't decide what the whole economic system is. Wage relations and ownership of the means of production does. China has little to no worker coops or councils and the SOEs act exactly the same as regular companies (state capitalism). And the portion of the economy that isn't soe is simply regular capitalist.
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Who said that capitalists love each other?
Exactly. The Nazis were corporatist-capitalist, and that didn’t stop them from conflicting with the liberal-capitalists. Capitalism isn’t a monolith just as socialism isn’t a monolith.
Fascist Italy was corporatist, Nazi Germany was not.
Realistically speaking Nazis were simply interventionist capitalists.
Sure. Regardless you can see in Nazism that fascism includes the dominance of one sector of capital over others. The “productive” capital as the Nazis called it as opposed to “Jewish” or “finance” capital.
That was only in rhetoric though, the MEFO bills were used as currency for this reason. Nazis used the finance sector as an example of Jewish economic control in rhetoric only.
There were of course Nazis who actually drank the kool-aid and actually acted in line with their claimed ideology, these were from the NSDAP’s “left-wing” such as Röhm and the Strassers; which were corporatists as opposed to the Hitler-wing.
Your mention of the strasserite left wing is very true (and they got purged for being slightly more anti capitalist than Hitler was comfortable with.)
But, there was legitimate nationalization of Jewish assets by the Nazi regime, often to be given out to other capitalists. My only point was that the Nazis were capitalist but being capitalist does not mean you are inherently in alliance with every other capitalists. That’s the fault of class essentialism or economism. The fact that some Jewish people were economically capitalists did not stop the Nazi regime from targeting them for social/ideological reasons.
I may have not been clear in my wording; I meant they still hated Jews and wanted to genocide them, but they didn’t care about finance capital in actuality.
I agree with what you said.
Definitely, I think we do agree. They didn’t care about real finance capital, just what they called “finance capital.” Which was also “Jewish capital.”
I’m my opinion I think you see similar dynamics today with MAGA, they rhetorically and sometimes even in policy go against the “globalist” (liberal) capitalists while promoting “American” (conservative) capitalists. It’s an interesting aspect of fascist study I think deserves more attention, how fascism may represent the triumph of one faction of capital over other factions of capitalists in the balance of power of capitalist society.
“If America is Christian why do Russian fundamentalists and their blood thirsty followers hate it so much?”
Two things can be true independent of each other. China’s move to capitalism does not devalue the threat it poses to existing capitalist nations and their elite.
They hate China economic system , not their religion
I bring up the religious angle only to highlight being (nominally) the same in views does not mean they are destined to like each other.
Hate would have a reason , the only reason here is that hate China system
No? A good chunk of the big American corporations benefit from the Chinese system. It’s mostly the middle ones who either can’t compete with Chinese manufacturing or their contractors that stand against them. And that is more a matter of capitalist infighting than ideological conflict.
Even American corporations benefited from the Ussr in 20s , your point is? They stand against system cause of their communist system that control capitalism and banking
Corporations only turned on the Union because it was more beneficial for them to agree with the government, which was less intertwined with big business at the time. Pepsi bought a fleet from the Soviets, the North Koreans bought a bunch of consumer vehicles from the west (and refused to pay them off but that’s beside the point), etc.
But that’s beside the point. The point is nothing you’ve said has really proven they hate China. Considering how constantly willing they are to conduct business in China and forge deals with Chinese companies. What would you raise that points to substantial corporate opposition to the Chinese system?
Trump’s policies? Who’s an isolationist that the corporations have opposed since his initial nomination with proven suppression of him and his followers on Facebook and Twitter? Whose opposition to H1B visas caused a rift to form between him and the billionaire nepobaby who had been helping fund much of his campaign in 2020?
They turned because the union offered them business in exchange of investments and tech transfer , doesn’t mean the Ussr capitalist The way China handling it’s economy from capital control to land ownership to outcompeting capitalist state is fundamentally against capitalism
The EU is forming deeper ties with the Chinese and have been for decades. The Comprehensive Agreement on Investment and the fact the Euros and Chinese are both each other largest trade partners.
Argentina, which mind is ran by Milei (an anarchy-capitalist), initially suspended an agreement to trade with China in Yuan before renewing the agreement in 2024.
Google and Disney have both been long known for censoring things to suit the Chinese government’s tastes.
Everything points to the capitalist establishment seeing no threat in the Chinese system only Chinese companies.
All of those you mentioned are anti China , are you joking ? Trade ≠ agreement The Ussr was trading was Japan and Europe , doesn’t mean Ussr was capitalist or loved by Japan and Europe
Thank you
I love this rhetorical question so much.
Russians don't hate America, it's the opposite the westerners hate Russia. Russians for the most part admire the West.
All I’ve ever heard is that most Russians view the west as having been corrupted by a liberal softness that has rendered society weak, feminine, and Godless. Granted, I have also heard Russians are prone to outdated conspiracy theories as well, believing the monarchy of Britain and the Catholic Church remain dominant powers over much of western politics and business.
Of course there are criticisms and they are plentiful but the overall dislike is very one-sided in my experience.
And China is literally just a socialist nation. You left that part out.
China has private enterprises that previously did not exist until the reforms that happened immediately before and around the turn of the millennium.
It is socialist, but it has moved towards capitalism.
I'd go a bit further than that. China deliberately undervalues it's currency in order to build reserves of foreign capital. In a sense, Chinese workers are deliberately paid less than they are worth so that the Chinese state can accumulate capital. Exactly how corporations work under capitalism.
how about you show that china is in fact not capitalist by analysing their governement and production organisation instead ?
Because they can't. Because China is State Capitalist, despite their market socialist claims.
Probably because they can't break into that market in the ways that they do in say America where they can undermine the guardrails via lobbyist bribes and whatnot.
Billionaires want Unfettered Capitalism so they can make as much money as possible no matter the damage that they do.
Capitalism isn't a principled ideology. They like things that make it easier for them to make money and hate things that don't.
Capitalists hate taxes, but love handouts. They hate foreign protectionism but love their own.
People only truly espouse a libertarian, free market, Austrian school philosophy when they're speaking academically. As soon as the government policy is projected to help them they'll abandon any thoughts of efficient markets.
Also, China isn't really capitalist. They tolerate private capital to the extent it does things they're unable to do, but it's pretty clear rhetorically and in their actions they do this begrudgingly and see it as a necessary evil. Also companies are forced to have a certain amount of state ownership and directorial control, and most truly capitalist Chinese companies try to have as little to do with China as possible. Big, ambitious companies register in tax havens and list in exchanges such as NY, HK, Singapore or London and not Shanghai-Shenzhen (which is mostly full of state owned partially privatised companies like Maotai or Pingan health)
Probably because China is Socialist led by a Communist Party
Which billionaires are you referring to? I'm pretty sure the Chinese billionares are all quite happy with the move to capitalism
Many of them are in prison or disappeared, which the "democracy activists" call horrible because western democracy is when rich people dictate everything.
Most of the people currently languishing in prison in China are not rich at all. Most of them, like in the USA, are poor. I find this argument in defence of Chinese capitalism so strange. When the CCP executes or imprisons a billionaire, it isn't because that person is a billionaire, or even usually because they're corrupt. It's almost always because they ran afoul of Xi Xinping's government in some other way. Most Chinese billionaires are still out there living the life of Riley at the expense of 100s of millions of working-class Chinese people.
They broke the law, not "ran afoul of Xi Xinping's government". It's as if westerners have accepted that the law is only enforced on working class people, and any enforcement on capitalists is an affront to the "natural order".
Xi allows his own political allies to get away with all manner of corruption and shady legal behaviour when it is expedient to him. China does not have a legal system based on the rule of law. Xi does not care about billionaires "breaking the law". By definition they live above it.
No, it's Westerners like you who have fundamentally misunderstood how power politics works in the upper echelons of the CCP.
How so, and can you provide evidence?
There are so many example to prove otherwise. Can you provide evidence?
Tencent's business practices are against chinese business regulations but the Chinese state turns a blind eye while enforcing those same regulations against Tencent's competitors, so long as Tencent behaves like an extension of the Chinese government. This behavior is not unique to china and is, in fact, very common in capitalist countries and fascist countries.
As a friendly reminder, China's ruling party is called Communist Party of China (CPC), not Chinese Communist Party (CCP) as western press and academia often frames it as.
Far from being a simple confusion, China's Communist Party takes its name out of the internationalist approach seekt by the Comintern back in the day. From Terms of Admission into Communist International, as adopted by the First Congress of the Communist International:
Similarly, the adoption of a wrong name to refer to the CPC consists of a double edged sword: on the one hand, it seeks to reduce the ideological basis behind the party's name to a more ethno-centric view of said organization and, on the other hand, it seeks to assert authority over it by attempting to externally draw the conditions and parameters on which it provides the CPC recognition.
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No! The real name for the CCP is 中国共产党 (Zhōngguó Gòngchǎndǎng) which literally translates to English as "Chinese Communist Party". The CCP uses the acronym CPC in the official English translations of state propaganda, but I guarantee that no Chinese person will care if you say "CCP." It's only dumb Westerners on reddit who continuously make a point of telling people the CCP calls itself the "CPC" when communicating with English speakers.
As a friendly reminder, China's ruling party is called Communist Party of China (CPC), not Chinese Communist Party (CCP) as western press and academia often frames it as.
Far from being a simple confusion, China's Communist Party takes its name out of the internationalist approach seekt by the Comintern back in the day. From Terms of Admission into Communist International, as adopted by the First Congress of the Communist International:
Similarly, the adoption of a wrong name to refer to the CPC consists of a double edged sword: on the one hand, it seeks to reduce the ideological basis behind the party's name to a more ethno-centric view of said organization and, on the other hand, it seeks to assert authority over it by attempting to externally draw the conditions and parameters on which it provides the CPC recognition.
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As a friendly reminder, China's ruling party is called Communist Party of China (CPC), not Chinese Communist Party (CCP) as western press and academia often frames it as.
Far from being a simple confusion, China's Communist Party takes its name out of the internationalist approach seekt by the Comintern back in the day. From Terms of Admission into Communist International, as adopted by the First Congress of the Communist International:
Similarly, the adoption of a wrong name to refer to the CPC consists of a double edged sword: on the one hand, it seeks to reduce the ideological basis behind the party's name to a more ethno-centric view of said organization and, on the other hand, it seeks to assert authority over it by attempting to externally draw the conditions and parameters on which it provides the CPC recognition.
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No! The real name for the CCP is 中国共产党 (Zhōngguó Gòngchǎndǎng) which literally translates to English as "Chinese Communist Party". The CCP uses the acronym CPC in the official English translations of state propaganda, but I guarantee that no Chinese person will care if you say "CCP." It's only dumb Westerners on reddit who continuously make a point of telling people the CCP calls itself the "CPC" when communicating with English speakers.
Why, because you put it in google translate? 中国 literally means Middle Kingdom aka China. Adjectives in Chinese don't work the way they do in English
No, because I have Chinese friends who have taught me a little bit of Mandarin. I know all of that must be a completely alien concept to you, but believe it or not, it's actually possible to talk to people from China.
Actually, it would usually be translated as "Middle Country" rather than "Kingdom" these days. But yes! Thank you, Captain Obvious. You know that the Mandarin word for "China" literally translates to English as "Middle Kingdom/Country" which is quite literally one of the first things you'll learn in any beginner level Mandarin language course.
Don't let that distract you from the fact that in Mandarin The Communist Party of China is called 中国共产党 which in pinyin is Zhōngguó Gòngchǎndǎng.
I'm just going by what the picture tells me, a king inside a box i.e. a kingdom. Not an adjective
That's very nice.
But to reiterate, don't let this distract you from the fact that in the language of Mandarin, which is the language spoken by most people in the People's Republic of China, Zhōngguó Gòngchǎndǎng refers to the CPC. That means if you go to China and were to speak to someone in Mandarin, they would use those words to refer to the CPC. Am I making sense to you?
Right, the Communist Party of China. Anything else?
As a friendly reminder, China's ruling party is called Communist Party of China (CPC), not Chinese Communist Party (CCP) as western press and academia often frames it as.
Far from being a simple confusion, China's Communist Party takes its name out of the internationalist approach seekt by the Comintern back in the day. From Terms of Admission into Communist International, as adopted by the First Congress of the Communist International:
Similarly, the adoption of a wrong name to refer to the CPC consists of a double edged sword: on the one hand, it seeks to reduce the ideological basis behind the party's name to a more ethno-centric view of said organization and, on the other hand, it seeks to assert authority over it by attempting to externally draw the conditions and parameters on which it provides the CPC recognition.
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China has quite a few of their own billionaires and many an american billionaire has assets and holdings in china
Because capitalists are often at cross-purposes with other capitalists? Corporate Democrats are pretty capitalist too, that doesn’t stop them from being at cross purposes with Republicans.
You do realize capitalists hate other capitalists too, right?
China’s own capitalist class’ material interests are completely against that of the ones in the US; they can be managers under US economic domination, or have the possibility to become the economic hegemon of the world if they fight the US’ capitalist class by simply existing.
Soviets had 48% worker efficiency compared to US in 1980s. Don’t think about whether China is capitalist or communist too much, as long as they don’t invade to protect their capital interests in a sovereign, especially when US is hemorrhaging trillion dollars on military.
different flavours of billionaires can be very petty to each other
60 % of their economy is private
Just to play devil’s advocate here, have you ever heard of the sino-soviet split? Two socialist countries fighting each other
Because they’re also authoritarian and kinda xenophobic, probably
Which billionaires hate it? US capitalists probably hate it, Chinese billionaires like themselves.
is not capitalist, china work in a way that american hate it, there in china if the govern say A all the companies have to do what they say, and if some millionaire try to do something they arrest him and bye bye, in the west billionaires command the govern, this is why they hate it
One capitalist cartel versus another. Cuba is still socialist though.
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Soros hate China because he lost so much money to HK And Chinese government. He is just a old stupid jerk in Chinese mind. And categorize China as simply capitalist is scih a naive view. Watch the below to understand how China is run. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eWmM7fagcug
The feelings of individual capitalists don't decide what the whole economic system is. Wage relations and ownership of the means of production does. China has little to no worker coops or councils and the SOEs act exactly the same as regular companies (state capitalism). And the portion of the economy that isn't soe is simply regular capitalist.