I'm chairman of the ACP. I'm speaking on behalf of ACP when I say that we don't have a problem working with and uniting practically with PSL, FRSO, hell, even anti-imperialists who are in the DSA.
The US regime seems to posed to imminently invade Venezuela.
Wouldn't it be more constructive to work together at least on our major principled points of agreement rather than cancel and ostracize one and another over our disagreements?
I saw someone say one of the reasons they like DSA is that it overcomes sectarianism by allowing different factions.
I think it would be nice of ACP, PSL, FRSO and some others came together on the basis of a shared framework of principled coordination.
We don't need to merge our organization's or parties but why shouldn't we keep open a space for working together?
There's very few people in the USA who defend AES and maintain principled opposition to the Democratic Party.
Why the bitter enmity? If we don't cooperate and join forces at some level, all we're doing is empowering the Right.
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The idea of a war with Venezuela is so broadly unpopular you'll likely find ample bedfellows even light years apart from DSA.
It only takes a minor false flag and it will overnight become extremely popular.
You underestimate the level of cynicism about the government out there lately.
The ironic thing is how popular it is to Venezuelans in and outside the country. This topic was the exact reason why Trump took over Florida and it's still the one that will retain his popularity despite his incredibly aggressive moves against latino minorities.
No, it's not. Venezuelans may not be pleased with Maduro and his choices, but they are not clamoring for an invasion. You been hanging out with Cubans in Florida?
Soy venezolano. Sigo viviendo en venezuela. Chamo, la gente de este sub tiene que dejar de creer que hablan con pura bruja e la cia o yo no se que.
Ademas que sepas que la gran mayoria de nosotros venezolanos nos callamos la jeta por cuenta propia porque mucho abunda la noticia donde te meten preso por un mensaje en redes sociales.
Si, expresar mi opinión aqui es mas revolucionario que la enorme mayoria de personas aqui.
Y si deseas una invasion de los yankees, seria mejor si fueras una rata de la cia, porque no podes ser mas idiota sino.
Eso no significa que quieras a maduro, rayos, odialo cuanto quieras. Pero creer que una invasion de la usa es mejor que el mismo infierno, es ser estupido, y no saber lo que sangro y sangra nuestro continente.
La referencia a las Venas Abiertas, despues de que el autor se retractase, solo para retractar su retractada porque la derecha lo agarró de guachafita y tuvo que hacer control de daños en la ultima entrevista de su vida que tuvo con un personaje de izquierda que inició su historia con "yo tengo mis criticas hacia la obra"... no se, no me huele fresco.
Oye Emu, a ti te conozco. No eres de Argentina? Si quieres podemos tener un acuerdo estrategico donde no hablamos del pais del otro? Porque peos y Milei aparte, Argentina se ha ganado el corazon del veneco promedio por ser el unico país que no se ha lanzado en una campaña de odio contra nosotros y eso de verdad se aprecia.
Y para contestar tu duda, no, no quiero una invasion yankee. Quiero a Maduro fuera del poder y creeme, participé democráticamente en toda elección que pude y me llevé terribles puñaladas a la esperanza cada ves que el chavismo cometió fraude.
Edit: corrijo, España nos trata bien y Colombia ha tenido algunos problemas pero es que ellos se comieron una masa humana de 3 millones de inmigrantes, aunque los tengo más en plan de devolver al deuda de 5 millones de colombianos que migraron al pais antes de todo este problema.
Considering how many libtards still live here in Russia and spread enormous amount of disinformation about our government, that statement serves so little to prove your position
my venezuelan friends are sharing their excitement at maduro getting removed.
they don't want a war obviously, but they want new leadership.
Your Venezuelan friends are r*tardos
sorry people who are suffering, a westerner has spoken, you are better off this way.
It's me suffering here because y'all people openly support violating Venezuela sovereignty for fuck sake.
"Wi doñ woñña war but Maduro is soooow baaaawed!" Then go to Venezuela, talk to people, support their struggle god dammit. Hell nah, we're going to cry on internet about how we want Venezuelan state to collapse while Mr I-Want-Nobel-Peace-Price is threatening to launch an invasion any moment
Nobody want a war, though there's some paradoxic behavior in our community. For one side, nobody wants a war, so we should be celebrating that Trump is chest-beating in front of us to scare the regime and kinda do it bloodlessly,. However there's a movement hell-bent on the illusion nothing's happened and nothing's gonna happen, fueled in part after years of failed attempts both democratic and undemocratic and the chavista propaganda fueled lie that chavismo is eternal and unbeatable and they'll stay in power forever.
Isn't this how all political parties work? The Democrats don't go around saying "hey let's give the Republicans a turn in the White House". Its in the very nature of campaigning and building popularity to want this and claim it. Its not unique to Chavismo.
TL;DR: treating chavism as democratic party is a big mistake.
American democracy? Maybe but nah. Democracy's biggest strength and weakness is that, despite it all, there is a peaceful transition of a set of ideas to another. Argentina has, iirc, a rather wide spectrum of political forces that, despite sharing a lot of ideological points, ended up losing to Milei, of all things, the guy who screamed super loud and called every single Argentinian politician a parasite until someone dared him to meddle in politics instead of complaining everyday.
Another brilliant example was Chavez himself, who beat a deeply bipartisan system and was fiercely popular before his presidency over his coup attempts in 92.
Now, there's a problem with your thesis, which is treating chavism as a party; something they are not. To make it simple, they function much more like a cult, starting by making a god out of Simon Bolivar and then to Chavez himself once he passed away. Cults are not structured to pass the baton of power to others. Yes, they've mocked every single attempt of a democratic transition (the latest and worst one, the Barbados Agreement which they broke as much as they could, resulting in last year's July 28th elections), but this problem is so ingrained, they are unable to position younger figures in positions of power and recognition... they just can't, and they've tried and experimented but it can't happen. As deaths and purges accumulate in the upper echelons of chavism, power has centralized more and more.
Let's not even mention the whol drug dealing here, because it makes things far more complicated (eevn though it would reinforce my argument further).
So this first of all hides the actual facts. Machado was barred from running because she was aiding Guaido who was literally some random politician claiming to be the president. If your argument is on the basis of democracy, its frankly absurd to be on the side of Guaido, a guy who wasn't even on the ballot. These events also fly in the face of this cult narrative, had Chavismo been a cult like you say with no "off ramp" for ideology, then it is pretty weird for then to go and bend over as much as they did to please literal coup plotters. In no other country do you just get to form a new interim government and everybody is like "cool".
As for your analysis of the PSUV noting that power is centralising within it, I agree to a large degree. They aren't doifng much internal democracy, especially St the higher level. However, even given so, a coup against them is exactly the wrong thing to do. Venezuela's independence and sovereignty must be respected dfirst and foremost. The PSUV is doing so at least. The USA invading again, won't help Venezuela maintain its sovereignty.
So to fact check you:
- Maria Corina Machado wasn't barred for aiding Guaido. Timeline inconsistency, she was barred in 2015 (official reason was that she had failed to declare her income and assets), then in 2023 because she won the opposition primaries with 92% support and then again in 2024 after the elections. Non of these match with Guaido's claim on the president seat in 2018.
- Guaidó wasn't some random politician. Constitution says if the seat is empty, National Asembly's president takesw charge and he was the congressman elected that year when the opposition's Nationa Assembly, by that time fully stripped bare of any shred of power, declared Maduro's take on power was inconstitutional.
- I never said I was pro Guaido. Easy strawman phallacy there. Not only did I not support him, the whole charade was beyond useless. For it to be effective, he needed to reach a critical mass of split loyalty in the army and that never happened. He ended up stealing money off aids and Venezuelan money.
- Chavism 100% fulfill every single point of the cult bucket list. In particular, the fact they believe in nothing except what the higher ups make them believe. There's a reason our local communist party accussed Maduro's "neoliberal policies" in 2019 while the chavista base didn't even bat an eye.
- Also chavism doesn't negotiate. Tell me a single, just one agrement they've had with the opposition and/or the United Stated that they have not broken. Chavism considers negotiation a political shield to earn time.
Sorry you are being downvoted. You know something about the subject and this sub is for Americans who don't want to think, but still feel superior.
This is one of the reasons Socialism is so terrible. If they just once thought 'you know what went wrong last time, let's not do any of that next time'.
They look at Venezuela and think 'Socialism therefore must protect it'. Rather than 'this embarrassed us so how do we distinguish ourselves, explain what we would do differently'. Best they do at this is no true Scotsman it.
I don't mind being down voted. This place is still a bit of an echo chamber and I don't take Zionist (haven't been called this myself though) nor CIA agent as legitimate insults.
The thing is a lotta people are being exposed and isolated to smallest and radicalized spaces. If anything, asksocialists feels to take the heat in good faith. Of course there's gonna be debate and some fights but some cases aside, people here is very civil and, unlike r/socialism, I wasn't immediately permabanned without right to appeal because their both detected I interacted in r/vzla while open bigotry and gulag apologists are allowed appeal.
I used to make a hobby out of seeing how quickly to could get permabanned from Communist spaces for criticising Stalinist crimes. It was quite fun.
I like healthy debate. I'm not above rage waiting, but now is not the time
I agree. The last thing that communists need right now is more division and infighting
Agree
while i critique the ACP ideologically i do completely agree with this, theres no reason not to work together on specific issues we do agree on
American Popular Front
Heck, I’ll back this post!
I have issues with the ACP but we need to ALL stand together against US imperialism and the impending war against the people of Venezuela.
I’m for a united left against fascist terror and imperial wars!
Respect.
American members of anti-imperialists parties should at least attempt push their leadership to form a united front against the depravity that is about to be unleashed. It is clear a popular front will not form without a united front first. Godspeed.
Ive been saying this for years. Why tf are the leftists doing the job of divide and conquer for them?
Because leftists are glorified liberals
All their positions amount to "vote democrat" as an eventuality
Hence why leftists were in support of zohran, who is simply a repeat of bernie and aoc
Are they really leftists then?
If only ACP was even close to being on the left
You could have at least made an effort to avoid proving the point. But no, leftists are like children, they can't help themselves
Big tent conservatism is always the poison that gets leftists, because conservatives usually don’t stand for anything other than maintaining supremacy of the ruling class and here we are getting all up in arms over small purity tests.
It’s happened all throughout history. It’s best to unite the left big tent and then have policy issues worked out within in a case-to-case basis. As long as it’s anti-colonial and anti-capitalist it deserves a voice.
Opposition of unnecessary wars for money are a non negotiable, God speed!
I sometimes listen to Scott Horton and admire his encyclopedic knowledge of the history of US imperialism. Then I hear Libertarian mems and anti-communist tropes that could easily be corrected with serious reading and I roll my eyes. I really hope all anti-imperalists can be united, but it would take some letting go of tropes. It's actually not that far from Michael Hudson to the ACP, but so many are allergic to the C-word.
Is there a way we can learn about other people on leadership in the ACP? I want to learn more but I just see one guy and he is always talking about himself. Like is there a board,? Even a communications person?
Other prominent leaders are Eddie Liger, Carlos Garrido, Chris Helali, Jackson Hinkle, Kyle Pettis, Noah Krachvik.
Then there's an elected 32 member Central Committee, as well as a Politburo appointed by the Executive Board.
Here is an org chart.
Yay! Thank you. I'm sure the chairperson is a fine enough person in this world. I like to know more about the bones of organizations and how they function. I saw a lot that were very leader centered and less available of their budget, goals, and leadership structure. I type all this because I wanted to explain my motivation for asking. I got booted from r/communism or something like it for asking what I thought was a basic question. I want to learn more basics about real leftist thought and action...but people are hard to talk to . Thank you I will check this out post a big nap from my bed fort. Everybody stay rad
Communist not leftist
I have the concept down that the Democrats aren't Left. Got it. Easy. My question for a lot of people is what groups or ways of being are Left? Is there someone with a chart and names of groups or political thought? I'm not trying to be difficult . I was a a hangout and ine guy got into it with another friend about politics. They were both communists per their own words, but ine kept talking bout Mao this, Mao that and how the other was a Trotskyite.......bro where do normal people begin to learn? I am asking...does anyone have a good guide for a 41 year old idiot?
For starters anyone who doesn't support the duopoly can be considered "left in spirit", which although they may not be learned they are atleast headed in the right direction
You should simply ask those questions on this sub
You keep making this differential between communist and leftist, but haven't expounded on what you actually mean by it, what are you getting at?
Leftism seeks to reconcile the US empire with 'left wing values'
"Leftism" is far too broad a term to boil it down like that, right? Isn't it kinda weird to say "everyone on the left-wing seeks to reconcile US imperialism??"
Im sure there are some leftists, and mostly centrists who seek to do that, but its certainly not a majority lol. Unless we're changing what certain words mean.
I don't disagree, but the number of total leftists using your definition isn't that big
This is the reason behind the etymological split. We have to grow the left, and the establishment compatible left is getting in the way
If you want to grow the left-wing, starting off by reorganizing the definition of 'leftism' to exclude a substantial number of people who are left-wing isnt the best way to do it.
This substantial number of people is tiny overall, and the number willing to fight is a fraction of that. If kicking them overboard means attracting significant support to the left we will do that
The establishment compatible left is a hindrance on left wing politics
leftism isn't left wing
It might be useful to check out their podcast. I don't mean to plug content for the sake of it, check the podcast the Executive Board runs it, and they change out members with new episodes usually. It's call Metal Gear Red, and it's on Youtube
Every disagreement pales in comparison to work against imperialism. I fully support working together on this and many other projects. Like building socialism as well !
I agree
Are you the ones who split from the CPUSA?
It’s not a “split” but a reconstitution. The CPUSA violated its own constitution and has effectively been relegated to an appendage of the Democratic Party.
That’s just a myth created by them to start their lore. Haz and Hinkle were quite literally never members of CPUSA.
Wow. Where do they get off claiming they were?
Because plenty of the initial membership were cpusa members, even if Haz and Hinkle weren't personally.
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Do you have an actual argument?
We can do that if you want
I'm quite agree. Every citizens are potential future camarades...
It would be amazing if this could happen but honestly i fear you're giving these organizations too much credit all they do is spew lies and slander and im sure they'll find somewhere to twist and tear this open hand as well
We will get a few of them, that is enough. Rainer Shea and many others were former radlibs.
Does this now include Caleb Maupin and CPI? Because I’m pretty sure you wrote this, Haz. (u/InfraredShow)
https://web.archive.org/web/20250126192225/https://wiki.infrawiki.us/index.php/Caleb_Maupin
“We don't need to merge our organization's or parties but why shouldn't we keep open a space for working together? There's very few people in the USA who defend AES and maintain principled opposition to the Democratic Party. Why the bitter enmity? If we don't cooperate and join forces at some level, all we're doing is empowering the Right.”
I’m going to say this in good faith. I want this to be true. I want to, like you, work with all honest anti-imperialists. But this hateful snark about people who I know are not perfect but who I also know fundamentally agree with everything you’re saying above and have their hearts in the right place is just cruel, uninspiring, unserious, and unworthy of your role of leadership.
I hope you and Jackson will come around and we can all work together in the future one day. I’ll always hold out hope for that. 💪❤️🚩
-Tyler McConnell, previous member of CPI and former applicant for the ACP
You'll find no voice louder than myself for the cause of different communist parties forming a coalition under a single banner. If opposition to an imperialist war is what it takes to achieve that, then so be it. I'm no fan of the ACP, not by a long shot, but I'll stand by any movement to unify on this issue.
Im not trying to throw any water on the fire, but how does one make peace with claiming "we will work will all anti-imperialists" while also spending an awful lot of time fighting hard against other anti-imperialists? It just seems odd to make this post after everything ive seen of you guys calling anyone who slightly disagrees with you feds, or libtards.
It just doesnt seem to agree with reality. If there's something im missing, please feel free to make the correction.
Can the trans liberation front join?
How y'all feel about the homo homies? I've heard some bad shit but it's been second hand
We don't care. Discrimination according to sexuality is banned within the party by the founding constitution.
They don't care about people's sexuality.
I don’t think any one is opposed to working together.
Only problem is your lack of queer advocacy and American patriotism makes most leftists uncomfortable associating with you.
We spoke about how your differences in politics hurts your ability to make broad collations but you didn’t seem to care.
This isn't for leftists, this is for Communists
If you're asking genuinely.... it's because of you and the leadership team. Mainly you and Jackson. The way you've both scapegoated the LGBT community in the name of "anti-imperialism" is dangerous. Don't bother w your NGO argument because I agree that that's a huge problem but there are ways to address it without being blatantly homophobic. That coupled with the social media theatrics, the debate-broism, the machismo, the public meltdowns, the bullying, the brigading. Simply, many of us don't trust you. I don't need to like you as a person but I do need to at least trust you and you seem like a ticking time bomb.
I know there are some good people who have joined ACP and learned about the poor leadership the hard way. It will continue to bite you and if you actually want to build solidarity with other communists, you need to do some major self-reflecting. You seem to have a very antiquated view of what leadership is.
Nobody is scapegoating LGBT people, i literally have comrades in my chapter that identify as such. We are a Marxist-Leninist party and anti-imperialism comes before anything else
here's Haz completely bastardizing what could have been a legitimate argument, just for the sake of shitting on gay people lmao
The LGBT movement and community have be absolutely co-opted into the imperialist fold. How many more Lockheed Martin sponsored pride events and Zionists justifying genocide because “Muslims kill gays” do you have to hear before you understand how the institutions have adopted it to their advantage?
define the "LGBT movement" big brain
can you read or? i said there's a legitimate argument to be made but Haz's response here shifts blame onto queer people instead of imperialism. It's not queer people's fault that neoliberal ghouls have hijacked queer struggle for liberation. He's deliberately obscuring his language because he knows this will attract reactionaries and that's fucking gross.
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here's a classic
another one that i've gotten in many an argument over and I will not be entertaining another discussion abt Traore
There's so much more that I don't have time to link rn but a quick search on their X accounts and I'm sure you'll find some treasures. There have been multiple whistleblowers accusing Haz of psychological and emotional abuse and Socialism4All has done a couple of breakdown videos also. I saw a recent clip from a S4All video of Haz completely crashing out over someone resigning, repeatedly screaming that the guy giving his resignation was a f*ggot until he was red in the face. It was a real tough watch and Haz should feel totally ashamed but, based on his "response to Socialism4All," he's obviously not. How anyone can watch a grown man act that way and not think it's the cringiest shit they've ever seen is beyond me.
I mean the Dugin shit is concerning IMO. More than anything, Haz seems to feel he has some divine calling to be the next Che or something but he has no rizz and comes off like he's cosplaying. I'd be very skeptical of anyone who's drawn to Haz as a leader.
You watched a clip out of context, saw me extremely upset - which I was - and left it at that. You couldn't possibly fathom that maybe I had good reason to be as upset as I was. You assumed i started raising my voice as soon as he said he wanted to resign, thats false. I began by politely telling him he will not be permitted to disrupt the meeting. He kept responding with something like "You will sit and listen, boy." Danny Fed Shaw didn't include that part though, did he.
Full context: When I was returning back to the USA, the two Politburo members who "resigned" began to cause a stir, mysteriously, about how I need to self-criticize, how everything is awful, how they need "accountability' from me and the EB. About what, was a total mystery.
I said calmly - at no point losing my temper- that when I arrive back to the USA (I was on a 30 hour flight) I'll hear them out about everything, we'll hold meetings, and try to resolve their issue.
Between my arrival and the Friday meeting (1 or two days later), that PB member managed to calm down. I had talked to them and they seemed to understand, not be so hostile, and just air out their grievances about how theyre burned out over all the legal work they've been doing, how there's so much chaos in our decentralized structure (for the chapters).
None of us had any experience running a Party. We didn't even want to have to do this, we would have preferred the CPUSA simply remain a democratic centralist organization. But alas, it was tough for all of us in the early months of our Party, scrambling and improvising constantly, finding our way. So I understood the stress. Some of what they had said before was mysterious, but I wasn't dismissive.
Friday's meeting comes around.
Danny Shaw submits a long essay beforehand called
"On the f*ggotry of the Executive Board." So he is the one who fired the first shot as far as using that word. In that screed, he insulted and attacked all of us. Nothing was coherent. It all revolved around us not bowing to his position on Haiti. He was anti-BBQ and we thought that at this time attacking BBQ would just serve US intervention propaganda. Apparently that set him off.
The other guy completely changed his tune from his call and started attacking us on other vague points. He kept targeting me personally, describing his issues with my personality and so on. I ignored the personal attacks and tried to focus on substance. For 3-5 hours we spent this meeting hearing everything they had to say.
I had been a little late to a few meetings beforehand. So as an actionable resolution, I agreed to never be late again, to not rush work, etc.
The guy floated the idea I should step down. Obviously I didn't push back. I asked other members of the EB several times that if they willed it, I would. They objected. All other members of the PB objected. Should I have acquiesced to one persons demands, or allowed the majority view to prevail?
After this they were supposedly totally fine, despite failing to foment the rebellion they intended to among other PB members. No one else was on board with them and they accepted this. We had ANOTHER meeting the following Sunday because we were backlogged on work. Both PB members acted totally normally, and we were back on track.
It was our next meeting - I think the following Wednesday, when he "submitted" his resignation. Now keep in mind we were backlogged on important work. He had kept reassuring everyone he was OK and everything is fine the days leading up, so it was insulting enough he ambushed us with a resignation. But he had prepared an entire - i think 1 hour written speech - attacking, insulting, degrading all of us. He expected we were just going to sit there and listen instead of do the work we set time aside to do.
I politely told him he has no right to take up meeting time for theatrics, that if he wants to resign he can leave, and we will continue following our agenda for that meeting. Still he kept disrupting. He said some weird shit like "You will be quiet and listen boy" and thats when I started raising my voice.
He not only had an entire meeting dedicated to airing his problems, which he did without any pushback, he had an entire week to confront me or us with his issue. But he wants to take up our time putting on a show not only resigning (if you want to resign, resign! Just don't waste our time) but trying to crush our spirits and shit on us.
I think I was speaking for almost everyone there that we were already worn out with the stress of the work we had to so and didn't need to hear someone spend an hour shitting on us and telling us we should all quit, effectively.
So yeah, that's why I was angry. And I was totally justified.. Because as I point out in my video covering it, it happens that since Danny Shaw didnt get his way on asserting his Haiti views in November, he began an "underground" where he stayed in our Party with the intention of wrecking and destroying it completely, exploiting every small, trivial, meaningless grievance anyone had, amplifying it as a cause to totally dismantle the Party.
He admitted all of this in a leaked recording of his conversations with other conspirators.
So yeah, youre upset I used bad words, ignoring the context of the fact that I was being confronted with shocking betrayal by the head if our legal department, who had been conspiring with Danny Shaw for at least 1 month to destroy the Party. Not because he "resigned" but because he effectively revealed that he was a bad faith actor who was irrationally targeting me personally for reasons that would only be revealed later. Like we tried to find out what his issue was. We addressed everything. But he kept going - none of it made sense at the time. I only then took it personally - wondering if this guy just fucking hates me for some stupid personal reason. It turns it, everything was far more deliberate and calculated.
Somehow when I get really upset to the point of screaming and swearing, even if for entirely justifiable or at least understandable reasons, I don't start using reactionary slurs. But maybe that's just me
Listen, none of this is new information to me. I stand by what I said and you're ignoring the fact that many things can be true. Danny et al. may very well have been calculated, opportunistic pr*cks AND your reaction to their attacks was unhinged. You're the Chairman.. you don't get to have those types of meltdowns and you continue to double down in justifying them instead of just saying "Yeah that's a really bad look and I'm working on my temper." I think the reason you won't do that is because you believe it's some p*ssy shit to admit to self-reflection. The way you walk.. the clothes you wear.. the the way you carry yourself. You're obsessed with masculinity. I implore you to quit trying so damn hard.
BTW I'm using a backup account right now because I've criticized you publicly before on tiktok and had so many of your attack dogs name-calling, objectifying me, and just being general assholes that I had to take a break. My favorite was some dude who commented "suffrage was a mistake" lmaoo. Those are the types of people you're attracting when you reduce EVERYTHING to idpol and "wokeism." Does that not bother you at all?
No, heading an organization doesn't mean you accept being dehumanized into some transcendent being who accepts disrespect and abuse by others.
I'm just as human as anyone else. I am not a Buddha or Jesus Christ and never will be. I will never pretend to be anything more, or less, than what I am.
The only one reducing everything to idpol and wokeism is you
If the ACP took communist out of the name and the DSA took socialist out of the name, you could all rebrand as the people's party, speak nothing of theory beyond that point and just focus on working class policies with an aim to build the most prosperous majority middle class this nation has ever known. A big unifying all consuming effort that will make all future efforts viable is removing campaign finance loopholes for mega donors, super-PACs and dark money. Put your efforts together for a state-led, limited scope constitutional convention to eliminate big money in politics. Do it as "The People's Party" and let the rightwing invent it's unfounded boogeyman without the name "boogeyman" literally written on all your t-shirts.
Right now these labels are feeding names into a database for mass detention. They will call you Antifa and throw a convoy at you before you can support a candidate or organize a vote. On top of that, so many people who could consider your message, won't, because it goes against town culture to even tolerate those terms. You don't need them. Just tell your people you are working for the people, not the ultra wealthy, and then focus on selling specific programs and laws to the public so they can push their local reps in the direction they believe best serves them.
The Police state is in full swing, terms like "anti-americanism" and "anti-capitalism" are being folded into their dragnet, random loonies are screaming "death to all democrats" in the streets at unsuspecting families. The administration is threatening to deport the mayoral elect of NYC, and now the ACP wants to show up and start promoting itself as if it isn't a potentially easy layup for DHS to target along with other groups it wants to pull into a coalition with?? Once you groups affiliate, the propaganda machine will start to turn and good luck keeping up.
I joined the ACP because I expect this mass detention to be coming and I would rather go to prison than abandon my principles. But any confidence in electoralism is misplaced--- the votes are rigged, just outright faked whenever necessary. They stopped the count in Nevada when it became apparent that Bernie was going to win there in 2016 and then argued (successfully) in a court of law that the Democratic Party is unbeholden to any procedural obligation or consistency.
Better to just be straightforward and honest. They are real Communists. The Chairman is live on an app that begins with K right now, give it a listen!
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Nah, I've seen Western lib-leftists smear any anti-idpol/politically incorrect leftists as Nazbols and bigots since before the pandemic. These guys definitely didn't start shit.
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99.9% of the world population is politically incorrect, the culture of white leftists in Seattle is not the default, so Politically Incorrect is the default.
Nor is 90% of the world population "fascist" for having socially conservative and traditional beliefs.
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The vast majority of the world is politically incorrect whether they label themselves that or not. Linking studies unrelated to the topic at hand doesn't help your argument at all. You seem to think political incorrectness means rounding up trans people and putting them in camps, or refusing to hire them based on transness. By politically incorrect, I mean making harmless jokes that thin skinned people still screech about or pushing back against the stupid idea that there's a "trans genocide".
I am Venezuelan, still living here, and I just wanna ask you: what do you think about the majority of Venezuelans supporting what Trump wants to do.
In regards to USA coveting Venezuelan oils, sure though Trump already refused Maduro's proposal of selling out the country's resources to stay in power.
In regards to the imperialists moves, what about the incredibly obvious, in-your-face Chavista totalitarism and the subsequent violations of human rights at all levels from the Chavist government against Venezuelans?
Also what are your thoughts on the flagrant electoral fraud from last year, the last hope Venezuelans had to remove Maduro democratically? I can show proof if required.
“Chavista totalitarianism” legit made me shoot beer out of my nose. If I get a sinus infection I’m billing you
Let's play a game instead. Something simple: call each charcteristic you need in a totalitarian regime, and I'll send hard proof of it. From neutral sources as often as possible.
Quit begging you foreign tether
Wdym foreign tether???
gusano has entered the chat. Which violations of human rights?
Plenty to take from, but this is one that particularly pisses me off:
Last year, in July 29th, organic protests over the fraud were massive. Chavism doubted at first but they did what they do best and cracked down of them. Literal thousands imprisoned.
Jorge Rodriguez, National Assembly (congress) president said days later that the big majority of the 2500 people imprisoned those days didn't even vote. He failed to mention, however, that that majority were underage.
Most of them were sent to prisons hundreds of kms away from their homes, and that forced their families to waste exorbitant amounts of money in transportation, bribing the prison guards to allow them to meet and give them a bit of food and medicine. This is second hand experience btw.
A particular thing also started, which was releasing political prisoners at a point when their health was so deteriorated, they'd pass away days or weeks after. This was the grim end of a ASD guy who died of a pneumonia that refused to react to treatment.
Bonus: a 65yo doctor was kidnapped by SEBIN over a whatsapp voice messaged where she was asking her relatives to vote against Maduro while crying. She was now recently sentenced to 30 years, the maximum sentence possible in Venezuela.
If you want more, just ask, there's plenty from where that came from.
Keep it coming. Love to see fascists wine about rights violations
Wait a second, are you saying this sub is full of fascists?
I'm saying if you support regime change in Venezuela, you are a fascist.
Y yo me pregunto aqui, como quien no quiere la cosa, eres venezolano? A ver carajito, yo te hablo claro y raspao, si puedes tener una conversacion conmigo sin IA/traductor de por medio, te doy el beneficio de la duda. Aqui hay puro muchacho pajúo que no ha bebido ni de lejos las mieles del chavismo que me he tenido que calar todos los dias de mi vida desde que el ultragaláctico de chavez tomó el poder en el 98.
btw if I voted against Maduro last year, does that count as being fascist? 'cos if so, 70% of the population (would had been more if people outside of Venezuela had been allowed to vote but w.e) is probably ultrafascists.
70% lol
The Chavista should be totalitarian, but they aren't enough unfortunately
Hard to say ACP is anti-imperialist when they refuse to acknowledge Russia's blatant imperialism
Russia isn’t imperialist. They are an anti imperialist power engaged in combat against THE imperial hegemony
Regardless of whether Ukraine is supposedly controlled by the USA and NATO, Russia's actions in Ukraine (as well as Georgia) have clearly imperialist motivations.
What Russia has done in Ukraine is use a number of questionable claims (i.e. that Ukraine is a nazi state, backed by NATO and the CIA) as a casus belli to invade and demand unilateral annexation of territory, territory that has the potential to benefit Russia economically. This is straight out of the 18th century imperialist playbook.
Ok midwit, is Iran imperialist for attacking israel?
Ukraine isn’t an imperial hegemony, even if you argue it’s NATO aligned/supported, NATO hasn’t invaded any other countries or forced anyone to join their alliance.
ukraine isn't, it is merely an imperialist puppet much like israel
Infact there were plans to make ukraine a larger israel but that obviously failed
Ukraine is a lawless Nazi state that was taken over by a CIA-backed coup in 2014. Ukraine has no legitimate sovereignty, which it lost when it abandoned its own constitutional process and (moreover) when Poroshenko and his skinhead thugs started massacring peaceful crowds in Odessa, Mariupol, Slavyansk, and many other places.
Nazi sentiment isn’t remotely popular in Ukraine. I’m not saying there aren’t Nazis or far right nationalism in Ukraine’s defence forces, just that the vast majority of Ukrainians and their institutions aren’t remotely Nazis.
Also, I see this “CIA backed coup” line from ML communists all the time, yet haven’t seen a shred of evidence for this at all, instead the justification is “well the CIA has done stuff like that before so many times, so obviously they did it in Ukraine.” Seems like you can just blame the CIA for everything and call it a day
It doesn't matter how popular they are. They're the ones with the willingness to use violence to get what they want, and they did
https://youtu.be/g9rHjlOtH2A?si=O_LFkI07qnlWaf2F
First of all, I don't know what your motive is to downplay what we might politely call "nationalism" in Ukraine. It's false and I have no tolerance for it.
The evidence of foreign control of Maidan and what followed is overwhelming, you obviously haven't cared to look. The Nuland call. If you want a researcher citation, the most honest person allowed to publish in the "free" west is Ivan Katchanovski.
There is absolutely evidence that the USA was involved in the Euromaiden crisis. However, there is not evidence that the Euromaiden shootings were a result of a false flag operation by the CIA. If there was, Russia would have been rubbing the USA's face in it instead of leaking a partial transcript of a phone call that basically proves nothing.
Additionally, your downplaying of Russia's imperialist motives in invading Ukraine is deplorable, and a slap in the face to the thousands that have died
The much-publicized confessions by perpetrators are the evidence. That you are unaware or in denial of them does not make them less factual. Dismissing the Nuland call---where a state department official was literally selecting the future leadership of Ukraine's "elected" government---- shows that you're basically an unserious person.
Russia's motives are liberatory and decent people all around the world are proud of the valor of Russian arms.
If you're going to take this really unnecessarily condescending tone with me, you could at least read my comments before responding to them.
I am not trying to defend the USA here. I am simply stating that there is not direct evidence that the 2014 Euromaiden shootings were conducted by the USA. I do not believe that there is conclusive evidence that Russia or Yanukovych are directly responsible, either. However, the fact that Russia has used this unsubstantiated claim as a part of their casus belli for invading Ukraine is deeply problematic.
If you want to live in denial of the obvious, I can't stop you. You are the one supporting a lawless, militaristic entity funded by foreign powers, functioning only the basis of its naked corruption, and openly at war with the people it claims to govern. Unlike the western powers, Russia did not enter Ukraine until it started burning protestors alive....
Not downplaying anything. Nazi sentiment is unpopular across the Ukrainian population.
If the evidence is overwhelming, could you post some? Or even just a broad overview. The Nuland call (the only thing people refer to as evidence), involves US officials shitting on the EU and saying Klitschko isn’t suitable for the premiership. No aspect of that call confirms anything even remotely close to a CIA backed coup. If I’m wrong, please post exact quotes from that call debunking me.
Edit: also, none of Katchanovskis work confirms this CIA backed coup narrative. Ignoring Ukraines own internal logic, factions, and accelerants in the Maidan protests is anti Marxist and undialectical.
literally posted a video. also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Goc4ffo8p4A&list=PLxhlh6ux6zSnoZe3fSLkzWp1JTMHsxIO5
Russia is an imperialist ultra-conservative right wing fascist dictatorship.
https://preview.redd.it/z0r3cmx6hl4g1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=16d098a55f24c78806845773b5f3ca5996c6a387
Imperialism is not when one country invades another
Nazi Germany would fail to meet this imperialist meme definition.
Are you seriously in ask socialists saying that? Ridiculous
Theyre saying the image isnt a very good metric on what imperialism is. Thats all. They weren't actually stating that Nazi Germany wasn't Imperialist.
You’re not addressing your logical inconsistency
This is how they respond to these things. When they're backed into a corner they either quit responding or call you names.
nazi germany is an imperialist puppet state
leftist slop
This is how I can tell you have pigeon shit for brains
Why do you think the US wants to overthrow Maduro? Oil. Specifically, to supply oil to Europe so they can continue war with Russia. Because Europe is currently getting oil from Russia via India to get around the sanctions that they imposed.
If you want to support anti Russia 'imperialism' concretely you need to get them that oil. So concretely you also support the overthrow of Maduro.
If you really want to be seen as anything other than reactionary trolls, it might be best to find ways of engaging with people you disagree with in ways that dont include "you have pigeon shit for brains." Thats just kinda silly, and flies in the face of also claiming "we will work with all anti-imperialists."
Depends on who we are engaging with. We don't need to convince PMC libs of anything, because they are not decisive in any way. The people who we do need to convince also don't like PMC libs, hate civility politics, and respond well when we say the things they are thinking.
Why? This person is a supporter of the status quo, exactly the kind of person we don't want to work with
I'm not going to bother engaging you. You've already opened up by insulting my intelligence. The last time I argued with you on this sub you basically gave up and started insulting me in Spanish. Your argument style is weak and pathetic, and when you start to lose you throw a temper tantrum.
I didn't lose though. You did.
I just showed you what the purpose of overthrowing Maduro is, and how you can't actually concretely support Ukraine without also supporting this Imperialist action against Venezuela. If you can't even follow this simple line of argumentation you are a midwit
"You cant actually concretely support Ukraine...."
Sure, anyone can. Neither Ukraine or Venezuela deserve to be invaded by larger countries who just want to pilfer their natural resources and exploit their people. Both country's citizens deserve freedom, and peace. See how easy that is?
That's not concrete. That's moralizing (deserve).
Concrete support is stuff like money, weapons, and natural resources. Venezuelan oil will concretely if indirectly support Ukraine in their war against Russia.
Now we're redefining what "concrete" means? What is going on here?
Maybe you need to let me know what words have completely changed their meanings and definitions, because its almost like you're trying to speak a different language, and I cant tell it its because you fell for a trick, want to have a cop-out win, are trolling, or something else entirely. In another thread, you try to claim that the word "leftist" is a small group of basically centrists, which is nowhere near what that has typically meant.
This whole things just reeks of "confuse and distract." All you said was "I dont define the word concrete that way, I meant fiduciary and resource reasons."
I completely refute your banal and unnecessary goal posts moving by saying only those three things matter when speaking about war. Why are you even arguing the way you are? What is your animus?
What? Concrete clearly means something tangible, that exists in the real world as it is. Saying that a 'country's citizens deserve freedom' is just idealism. How do you do that in the real world? You need the means to acquire weapons and the willingness to use them.
If Trump cannot successfully overthrow Venezuela and redirect their oil away from Cuba and China and to Europe, Ukraine is fucking toast and probably Europe too. Which is why they haven't said a word about what Trump is doing.
If freedom from oppression isnt tangible in your point of view, then im not sure you're acting in good faith. If we didnt have idealists, we wouldnt have much of anything thats good in this messed up, crappy world. The very idea of the working class working together to overthrow the oppression of the bourgeoisie is rooted entirely in idealism, but tangible idealism.
The rest of your comment just sounds like you're in support of trump invading Venezuela, as long as we get oil out of it, which is quite unnerving, but I dont want to put words in your mouth. So ill just come right our and ask: is that what you're trying to suggest?
I'm not in support of Trump invading Venezuela. I'm just telling you what they're doing and why, and why Europe hasn't said anything about it
Communists are not idealists, so we will never see eye to eye here
You have no intelligence to speak of, that is a fact
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I am not a liberal.
Yes you are
That's like saying Iran is imperialist for attacking israel, but midwits like you probably believe that as well
Why ask on reddit about it? Cant you just go out and talk to the organisations?
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I just asked. Because i dislike all of this performative "lets unite" posts through social Media without any real action
ACP already does, this is for the ill informed.
"Right" and "Left" aren't real concepts. In the United States it mostly revolves around opinions towards government spending. There are pro-imperialist proponents of government spending and anti-imperialist opponents of government spending. One can for instance oppose imperialism on the basis that it requires government spending. Historically socialist anti-imperialism actually functioned on the basis of opposing the government spending related to imperialism, with the Social Democratic Party in Germany betraying this principle by voting to approve the war loans for WW1. Similar things played out in other countries but its important given that they eventually directly betrayed the working class once again when Friedrich Ebert crushed the working class uprising after the German Revolution that put him into power. From a certain perspective of just empowering the SDP, supporting WW1, losing WW1 and having a revolution, and then crushing the workers did grant the SDP political power so one can't even argue it wasn't an effective strategy for them to "sell out" like this. What is more important than "wingism" is just opposing the military spending and the "right" often does that better than the left does, or at least there is usually many people who are outspoken about how upset they are about wasting money.
By engaging in wingism you are trying to create a common enemy where one doesn't exist. You aren't going to convince the imperialists that they need to oppose the right by joining with anti-imperialists. Imperialism is the actual dividing line, all "wingism" is going to do is confuse "left-wing" anti-imperialists that they need to stand with "left-wing" imperialists against "the right". Why does it only go one way? Because ultimately the imperialists serve the same master and the left-right division is much like the same company offering different brands to capture more market share, the imperialist lobbies will call the representatives in both camps and get them to vote on the same wars. The left-right divide is fake for the imperialists and is only something they use to try to extend the influence of their various brands they control over those they don't control.
United Front against imperialism is good but you can't argue that this is innately some kind of "left unity". The reason "left-wingers" hate the ACP is largely because of its propensity to work with those they perceive as "right-wingers" so it is even more ridiculous to try to get those same left-wingers to try to engage in left-unity against "the right" when they already think they are fighting against the empowerment of the right by excluding you. Ultimately it is a stupid concept when they do it and it is a stupid concept when you try to get them to stop viewing you as a right-winger by insisting that you oppose the right-wing as well. Ultimately they think of your disputes with the right as being "right infighting" as opposed to them thinking their disputes with you being "left infighting".
The entire premise behind the ACP and MAGA communism was basically that it was impossible to actually work with anyone on "the left" due to their propensity to "cancel" people so the future lay with disillusioned Trump supporters. The United Front against Imperialism is going to ultimately have to come from the same place where you are trying to unite with the Trumpists who opposed the Iran War and so also oppose the Venezuela War as some kind of irrelevancy or waste of money.
From what I’ve seen the ACP seems to support Russia in its invasion of Ukraine, so I don’t really trust y’all to be anti-Imperialist
What the fuck difference does that make? Do you want to stop war with Venezuela or not?
Of course I think it’s important to oppose any sort of stupid war with Venezuela; anyone with a brain would think that it’s a stupid move. I’m just saying that I think the ACP is two-faced and full of shit on the topic of imperialism
Let's say for the sake of argument that a miracle happens, and we all come together and stop the war. What is the worst consequence from that? You're being silly
That’s not the point I’m trying to make, though. What I’m saying is that I think the ACP is inconsistent on the topic of imperialism and that I do not trust it to fully oppose it. I would not be the slightest bit surprised if the ACP just ignored any imperialist actions taken by any country other than the United States
Bro what
How can the ACP oppose any imperialist actions taken by any other country if we're not in any other country? Unless and until ACP wins political power in AMERICA that is nothing more than pointless virtue signalling
Literally the least that the organization could do is say “war is bad” but as I mentioned earlier they support Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and thus fail at even doing that
https://youtu.be/g9rHjlOtH2A?si=O_LFkI07qnlWaf2F
Do you support Iran's invasion of israel?
Isn’t both r/socialism and r/communism in agreement that the ACP are a bunch of fascist grifters ?
Yes because both are just a bunch of leftists
Is communism not left-wing?
Leftism is “left” in name only. It is objectively right wing. Until you realize this you are lost. Leftism is what leads to grifters like Mamdani.
I’m assuming you don’t mean the English definition of imperialist since you support Russia
https://youtu.be/g9rHjlOtH2A?si=O_LFkI07qnlWaf2F
You assume correctly. We mean the Leninist definition.
I understand the theory of having an open tent when it comes to being anti imperialist. Certainly being anti imperialist is very important when it comes to the imperialist efforts that the united states is undertaking in israel, venezuela, and the global south more broadly. The thing I struggle to understand is why you seem to be ok with imperialism when it’s conducted by nations that you don’t consider to be western. China objectively engages in economic imperialism, although it’s certainly much less damaging than American economic imperialism. Russia objectively engages in imperialism against many of its neighbors even if you believe its justified its still imperialism. Iran objectively engages in imperialism by funding other militant movements in the middle east regardless of how it is a legitimate mechanism of countering western imperialism. The USSR (and the united states) both objectively engaged in imperialism when invading germany to destroy the nazi regime. If you want to say you support with a work with all efforts against western imperialism that’s fine but stop acting like your principally against imperialism broadly cause your not.
Incorrect
You don't know what "objective" means
Do you feel that Russia is an imperialist state?
Nobody should.
I'm not sure, because Russia doesn't have large-scale capital exports and economic colonization.
But I can be sure that Russia played an active role in opposing the imperialist countries led by the United States.
Would've thought that you'd be excited for people in the US to use Venezuela as lebensraum
Don't project
Cope and seethe, imperialism will win, capitalism will forever prevail, you socialists will never see daylight. 🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Evil will be destroyed and we shall all rejoice