With the most recent batch of files released it really is starting to look like on at least one occasion Trump r*ped someone and that he was on the Epstein plane way more than initially reported. There's also the letter from Epstein to Nasser about before he died about how "Our president" loved young girls.
These files were withheld from the initial release last Friday and the DOJ is currently saying they're not true. If that was the case, why not release it with the initial batch, or better yet, release everything over the summer when Massie tried to get the ball rolling and Johnson shut down congress to avoid a vote.
It feels like this administration is priming Vance to take over earlier than expected. Between his speech at AmericaFest and other media appearances he's been getting more airtime than usual. Wouldn't Vance make more sense to helm the conservative movement in light of this new information?
I know it's hard to look at the files objectively, but if proven true, these are exceptionally damming.
Edit:
I guess the 25th isn't the proper move here, impeachment would need to happen.
Please use Good Faith and the Principle of Charity when commenting. We are currently under an indefinite moratorium on gender issues, and anti-semitism and calls for violence will not be tolerated, especially when discussing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.
Nope, 25th wouldn't be invoked as the result of any evidence of treason, bribery, high crimes and/or misdemeanors. It's function is to allow for succession if the President can't fulfill his duties. You're probably thinking of impeachment.
If the president is removed via impeachment, or is otherwise unable to fulfill his duties, then Vance as the first in line should take over, why would I defend otherwise?
25th is all about fulfilling duties. Objectively, the only duties I'd criticize currently are judicial vacancies and budget - we've got a slightly higher vacancy rate at the end of this year than last, and clearly the government shutdown for a bit. If you argue that out, I'm not convinced that Vance or anyone else in the line of succession would have had a better success rate.
There are plenty of discussions over how Trump's fulfilled his other duties, but differences of opinion over how don't equate to whether or not those duties were fulfilled.
Interesting. If this were the 80s with the party of Reagan, there probably would be universal agreement that Trump working hand in hand with Putin to destroy The western alliances built post world war 2 exactly as Putin has wanted, and siding with Putin over Ukraine every step of the way is literally the definition of treason.
Well, even if Trumps actions equate to treason that's not a removal via the 25th amendment.
Regardless, that's an interesting comparison, Reagan went from naming the USSR the 'Evil Empire' to hosting summits and signing treaties with them. And there were indeed calls from the right calling that treasonous, especially after the INF treaty. There were never any impeachment articles introduced over it, though.
Reagan did indeed host treaties and host Gorbechev, after he reformed the country and became a partner in peace, unlike Putin, who has still openly called for the destruction of Europe, the United States, is a wanted international criminal for kidnapping tens of thousands of Ukrainian children, attempted genocide of the Ukrainian people, and assassinations of dozens of his political enemies. Would you not agree that you host someone like this, after they reform, not while they're in the middle of declaring your own destruction as their goal?
If the parties are willing to parley in a conflict, I believe they should. Certainly more effective than ICC warrants.
Interesting. I'm curious why you think Putin has any interest in negotiating or "peace" talks? He's never kept his word on any agreement in the past, in fact the reason Ukraine is in the situation it's in, is because they gave up their nukes for their last agreement with Putin. Furthermore, when Putin met with Trump in Alaska, immediately after the meeting concluded, Putin launched one of the most intense striked on Ukraine since the war started. I guess I'm a bit unclear why you think this man is trustworthy in any negotiations?
If you haven't read it, the WSJ did a piece describing the true intent of what Trump and Putin's goals are: dislodging the $300 billion or so in frozen Russian assets currently on hold by the Europeans. Putin has allegedly made a deal to split the money with Trump, who would then allegedly personally profit from the dispersement and pass the rest on to the U.S. After Trump's gone, most likely Putin would just then invade Ukraine again, now with $150 billion in newly infused cash.
https://archive.ph/5UGoc
Never said Putin was trustworthy, or interested in negotiating or peace. Think it's pretty clear he wants territory conceded, NATO to back off, and sanctions lifted. I think he got what he wanted out of Ukraine at this point, nuclear reactor, sub base in Crimea. If there were a betting pool my money would be on him locking in all those items, and going after Lithuania next. Only thing I trust is that the fight won't be over in my lifetime.
No. The 25A is not the appropriate vehicle for addressing this.
Yeah I honestly made a mistake. It should be impeachment.
I am beginning to get a feeling that this has been the plan all along: use Trump as the charismatic icebreaker to win the 2024 election, then put him out to pasture while getting the serious boys in charge. With the added bonus that Vance can issue a pardon to Trump to avoid any legal wranglings around whether Trump can pardon himself.
I think Vance as president would be a lot tougher for the left, because he has an unassailable personal reputation.
He has no convictions and goes whatever way the wind blows. He’s also bought and paid for by Peter Thiel and adores Curtis Yarvin. Ew.
I will be honest Vance has almost none of the characteristics that made Trump and his MAGA movement work and is only in the position he is because his spine has all the integrity of a cooked noodle and Trump wanted a yes man. I really don't see him as a viable replacement for Trump.
Do you think people would support Vance for pardoning Trump for rape and infanticide?
Wait, what's the infanticide part?
One of the documents alleges Trump was there when a girl he paid to “redacted” had her newborn baby murdered by her uncle.
Whaaaaat?! I’ve been following the documents and didn’t see that?
Here it is:
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00025010.pdf
[removed]
Your submission was removed because you do not have any user flair. Please select appropriate flair and then try again. If you are confused as to what flair suits you best simply choose right-wing, left-wing, or Independent. How-do-I-get-user-flair
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.
Sounds like Q-esque insanity.
If the DOJ released classified documemts of Obama raping a child abd ordering the execution of the baby, do you think you or most conservatives would have the same attitudr?
[removed]
Your submission was removed because you do not have any user flair. Please select appropriate flair and then try again. If you are confused as to what flair suits you best simply choose right-wing, left-wing, or Independent. How-do-I-get-user-flair
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.
[deleted]
"Pretty much nobody outside the hardcore MAGA base would rationalize that."
I am going to have to disagree with you on that, this and r/Conservative would be shining example of people supporting anything he does merely to "own the libs" and just because, there are a lot of people who are not hardcore MAGA would still support anything he does, even enjoy it.
"But also speaking in hypotheticals since the legality of blanket pardons has never been challenged in court the president doesn’t need to list a specific crime to give a pardon for. Just the dates that cover the supposed offenses"
IRCC it's been challenged, and I currently is, IE Biden's but it's been challenged before, it just never made to move forward with it, since the president could just literally do it again, and make it broader, so it's not about challenging it but the fruitful nature of challenging that pardon.
Doesn't J. D. Vance have the same issues as Ron DeSantis in being an unlikable candidate? Hence, why there were so many jokes and rumors about Vance divorcing his BIPOC wife to marry Erika Kirk to improve his political optics?
Actually, he should divorce his wife and marry Kash Patel. That'll make things interesting.
🤣🤣
That would only confirm my theory. Get Trump elected so that Vance can become president by replacing him midterm.
100%. I’ve been saying it since the day they announced Vance. I think they want to run trump another year though and give Vance the last two. Enough time to clean up trumps economic mess to try and make a run for another 4. Bad news bears for all of us that tactful bs by rich people in action is occurring in real time. Regardless where you fall- this is bad all around for democracy.
[removed]
No more than most. Vance has a higher favorability than either Desantis or Trump
I’d say Vance is a lot more tame and easygoing than Trump and DeSantis
Apart from his lack of charisma, as others here have noted, his "assailable" personal reputation is the same as any other Republican who hitched their wagon to Trump, especially after 2020: he's either a political opportunist grifter with no plans to benefit the US more than himself, or he's in on whatever his handlers are concocting to dominate US politics permanently, by any means necessary, which includes illegal and unethical means.
To first call him "America's Hitler", and then later happily sign on as his VP (for whatever reason, or at whoever's direction) tells me all I need to know about Vance's personal reputation (see also: Rubio, Cruz, Graham, etc.).
I'm sure many conservatives would argue that this would be his political reputation, but I fail to understand how people can so easily separate a man from their politics, as far too many have done with Trump. We're now seeing in real time how personal lives coincide with politics, as they should and do. Take your pick from Trump's history & crimes before either term, his types of crimes during either term, his "playboy" lifestyle now making its rounds, etc.
[removed]
Your submission was removed because you do not have any user flair. Please select appropriate flair and then try again. If you are confused as to what flair suits you best simply choose right-wing, left-wing, or Independent. How-do-I-get-user-flair
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.
I know not everyone on the left shares this opinion, but the problem with Trump is his terrible reputation and his ineffective foreign policy. Vance would be better.
If there is anything where Vance would continue Trump's course it's the crackdown on immigration and the foreign policy. Except that he may drop the Venezuela thing and stop trying to conquer Greenland.
Vance would be better and managing alliances. Anyone would. I wasn’t opposed to the tariffs, but the strategy was slow sloppy there was only pain and China slipped right out.
He literally crapped all over Europe for being too "dictatorial" (not over Putin, mind you) and wants to end NATO. Nice going for managing our key alliances!
Oh don’t get me wrong, Vance is not the republicans best. But he’d be better than Trump.
On foreign policy? What gives you that idea?
I’ll take something new over a known loser
Vance isn't the best only because the left knows he'll win.
As for bad forgien policy, tell me about overseeing Hamas attacking civilians or Russians special military operation. Or Iran spinning up some nukes under Dems.
Trump has isolated us and strengthened China. He’s achieved none of his goals. I’m sure if you dig deep enough you can find small victories but he’s losing the big game.
He’s not dynamic enough, not energetic and, most importantly, not entertaining enough to capture the low income/low education maga base that helped get trump into office. He’s Gerald Ford minus the integrity.
Trumps base votes for him because he entertains them. That’s all. The vast majority of maga voters aren’t really wealthy enough to be affected by tax breaks. They are really better served by the DNC because they need a social safety net. But in the digital age attention is important and trump has captured that with his social media ready sound bites. Vance can’t do that. Moreover, Vance flip flops.
Best way forward is an old school Republican who runs on low taxes and strong national security policy. Whoever it is needs to stay from culture/racial issues and distance themselves from the trump administration. Embracing that will just drive people in the middle right to Gavin Newsome.
Gerald Ford minus the integrity is perfect
I love Gerald Ford so I don’t mean that as any disrespect to him. He just wasn’t a very dynamic and animated person.
He seemed like a decent guy who was thrust out of his depth, but I'm no expert
Probably a very good assessment
You have a serious lack of understanding of MAGA voters if you think they vote for him based on entertainment value.
No I don’t. If you are a conservative white voter living in poverty there’s no amount of tax breaks or DOGEing that’s gonna make your life better lol. If he had his same opinions but had the energy and emotive expressions of JD Vance we’d have gotten Jeb Bush in 2016. He’s funny, he tweets outrageous things and he says mean things about people they don’t like. They just want to be entertained.
I’m connected with many of them. While his entertainment value doesn’t hurt, what matters to them is their belief that the people they hate hate Trump. It will be enough for them if the media pores their hatred onto Vance, which I think is a probable outcome.
One of the main ways of convincing people Donald Trump is actually popular is to tell them to go to one of his rallies, which people wouldn't stay for long if they weren't entertained
You think people went to Obama's rallies for hard substance? They went for the entertainment value as well. That is just part of the political marketing.
Totally agree. Both are very charismatic and can do so with large crowds too
Yea as a Democrat, I am worried about someone more presidential and well spoken like Vance taking over. He doesn't have the slimey history or the pettiness of Trump. Trump is his own worst enemy and can't shut up about things.
Nah, Vance ain't it, no charisma, flip flopper and the far right assholes don't like that his wife is Indian.
If trump exits and Vance fills in his spot I don't even think that would help him in 28
Eh, Dems thought the GOP would do that to him in 2016. It’s too clever by half.
...Aside from the couch fucking
Trump's not going anywhere. He'd die before giving up power. Frankly, I don't think he'll leave at the end of his term unless he does die. He made that mistake once. Republicans are stuck with this tar baby and the rest of us can just cry in our beer.
I think you are right. Except the unassaible part. How do you feel about "trick" (cant think of a better word right now") to get Vance into office and further the project 2025 agenda?
[removed]
Your submission was removed because you do not have any user flair. Please select appropriate flair and then try again. If you are confused as to what flair suits you best simply choose right-wing, left-wing, or Independent. How-do-I-get-user-flair
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.
[removed]
Your submission was removed because you do not have any user flair. Please select appropriate flair and then try again. If you are confused as to what flair suits you best simply choose right-wing, left-wing, or Independent. How-do-I-get-user-flair
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.
[removed]
Your submission was removed because you do not have any user flair. Please select appropriate flair and then try again. If you are confused as to what flair suits you best simply choose right-wing, left-wing, or Independent. How-do-I-get-user-flair
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.
[removed]
Your submission was removed because you do not have any user flair. Please select appropriate flair and then try again. If you are confused as to what flair suits you best simply choose right-wing, left-wing, or Independent. How-do-I-get-user-flair
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.
You guess it in your edit...the 25th Amendment isn't applicable. Impeachment would be. Even still, impeachment requires proof. As we've seen in the past you cannot just impeach a leader because you want to. Although for the record, not only would I rather Vance take over for Trump I also think it would be better for the nation at this point.
Do you think the GOP would care if Trump was revealed to be a sexual predator on that island, but there wasn't video evidence?
I think there would have to be very real proof. Impeachment has a high threshold to work.
So even if there was witness testimony in the files, that wouldn't be enough?
Look. Reddit doesn't get to decide this and we're all aware you all have already played judge, jury, and executioner on this. I'm just getting down voted for very simply basic things and you know? It's not worth it. If you are so confident then go impeach the man. Roll the dice. Because Reddit can't do anything about any of this.
I'm just asking. I'm not saying they should impeach anyone based on reddit claims
Witness that came out with it after 36 years, supposedly, and cannot be questioned about it? No. That's completely inadmissible.
This would be witness testimony that was never released to the public, but would have been used in an FBI case against Trump if it came to that. Honestly, from what I've seen in the files it's cleaar that the FBI (under Trump and Biden) did not want to prosecute prominent figures, they wanted to focus on Epstein and Maxwell.
From your perspective, what proof other than direct video evidence would convince you that Trump did this? There have been many sex traffickers convicted without that.
What proof? Maybe victim complaints that are verifiable, from victims that FBI could talk to, and that were not made 36 years after the alleged crime?
I think we'll have to see what's in the unredacted files. The current information shows that Trump was mentioned by multiple people, but is not enough for a court conviction
I don't want The President to get impeached. That said, the only viable way that it would happen is if it was lead by the GOP.
That would be the logic if the GOP were to get behind a Trump impeachment. But it wouldn't come without a cost. I believe that there is at a minimum 20% of this country that will love and support Trump absolutely no matter what. That is still a difficult thing for a party to walk away from without damage for a "Stab in the back"
There is plenty of evidence brought by Jack Smith.
The senate under McConnell buried the trial.
https://apnews.com/article/jack-smith-congress-justice-department-d35557d525fcfe51a20d08c6abb7f71d
Impeachment doesn’t require proof. Technically, impeachment doesn’t even need the underlying allegations to be true.
It’s a political process. The constitution doesn’t define high crimes and misdemeanors. It’s inherently a political process, which is why Trump (and Clinton) were not convicted.
Any allegation that can get voted out of the house and pass the senate with 2/3rds is impeachable, true or not.
I’ve said this in this sub before but I know people who legitimately believe Trump is the best president we’ve ever had. Better than the founding fathers.
You’re going to use what mechanism to convince those people to impeach? Reason? Logic? Can’t reason people out of an opinion they didn’t reason themselves into.
“Can’t reason people out of an opinion they didn’t reason themselves into”
This is brilliant. I’m gonna say this to my patients when they start throwing out antivax bs
Shouldn’t go to court first to get a conviction?
Not going to happen.
The Department of Justice's Office of Legal Counsel issued a memorandum in 1973 and reaffirmed it in 2000 stating it is improper to prosecute a sitting president, effectively giving the President immunity from criminal prosecution while they're in office. This has been DoJ policy for over 50 years now.
Plus they had it since 2020 so if there were any real evidence in there, they would have acted on it already.
Not if the DOJ was run by a republican
Isn't the issue that the president is subject to blackmail and manipulation even if he were innocent?
I wouldn't be the first person to point out that if Trump weren't president he would never be able to get security clearance based on all of the attack vectors.
Also, I thought the precedent was that the DOJ can't prosecute Trump. So we're potentially stuck with a pedophile on the levers of power. A pedophile who would now be extremely motivated to use those levers to keep himself in power to avoid prosecution?
How much havoc can he wreak between now and the Midterms when he would be impeached, or do you think the Republicans will impeach if there's enough evidence?
What's your prediction?
I don't think anything will happen to anyone in the Epstein files because of lack of evidence. The FBI and such had them since 2020, and would have already acted on the evidence if it were there. But we shall see. Who knows.
I don't see why anyone thinks the argument "the DOJ would have acted if there was any evidence" is a serious position when it comes to this. Epstien has already been convicted in some form of abusing girls. He was given an unbelievable deal and then the district attorney who gave that sweetheart deal to Epstien worked in the Trump administration.
The way that this has all been handled indicates that there are lots and lots of problems with that belief. The information that came out today indicated that there were TEN co-conspirators associated with the Lolita express and the island, but its just Epstien and Maxwell. Maxwell is now getting all sorts of special treatment. What about those ten people? What about Prince Andrew? What about Clinton?
Why does anyone think Trump is the only one who could be in there big enough to prevent their release even when he ran for president. It doesn'tmske sense. Especially when you consider how many people really genuinely did not believe Trump could win again even in October of 2024.
As for my prediction, I have no prediction. I have been so disappointed by people and their ability to excuse inexcusable behavior that I won't pretend I know what will happen. I have hopes. I hope that Republicans will grow a spine. I hope they will realize this game they've been playing with dangerous and racist parts of their base is actually dangerous. I hope they look at the fights going on at places like TP USA, and the increasing comfort Gen-Z conservatives have with Hitler, and realize they have to pull away. The REPUBLICANS need to impeach and remove Trump for this. They then need to primary anyone who didn't vote to impeach and remove him and then they need to start governing properly.
"Isn't the issue that the president is subject to blackmail and manipulation even if he were innocent?"
We raised the same concerns about Biden but Democrats refused to do anything about that and the Biden DOJ shutdown any and all investigations into the Biden corruption. Then Biden pardoned the family dating back to the Burisma days so there's no accountability there.
As for Trump, we know Democrats will impeach him no matter what if they take the House. The Senate may/may not convict depending on the reason for impeachment. Unless it's something concrete showing Trump guilty of wrongdoing, I don't see it happening.
Also, since Biden set the precedent of preemptive pardons, I don't see Trump leaving without doing the same. I believe he'd be crazy not to actually.
Ok and you are ok with that?
Are you saying Trump is just as bad as Biden? Not as bad? Worse?
And last I checked Hunter was the threat not Joe, himself.
This is the president himself at the bare minimum associating with human traffickers. Flying on the plane AND hiding it from us. He and Bannon and other members of his administration and social circles all were traffick8ng children. Young girls. They all clearly knew. That birthday book is filled with non-stop winking and nodd8ng about perversion of the worst sort, and this man, our president, hangs out with ALL of them.
He's been blocking the release attacking everyone who brings it up. Now he's all over them! This should be enough.
This is way beyond anything we would have accepted from Barrack Obama or Joe Biden.
Its also absolutely pathetic thay you immediately jumped to "wElL bIdEN!" Have some self respect.
The thing is there are different standards of evidence you should use in different situations.
If you have 5 daughters and they all say your creepy brother in law raped them on separate occasions, each case is likely just their word against his, and you probably don't have enough evidence to convict him of one of the crimes beyond reasonable doubt. But you should definitely stop inviting him round.
There is a mountain of evidence of trump's criminality, a court needs a lot of evidence on one specific crime.
Who accused Trump exactly? Epstein?
So many people that there is a Wikipedia page devoted to it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations
Is there a mountain of evidence, though? I don't think there is. Just accusations and allegations. Not seeing anything that would stand up in a court of law. Maybe a court of opinion, but not law.
Why didnt it already? I'd be asking that first. If the doj is helping cover then that would need fixed first
Not via 25A it doesn't have to. That's why I saw many on the right say the left would do that with Biden. No crimes and yet I saw people say Biden would get removed via 25A.
Flying on epstein's private jet in the 90s is not an impeachable offense
The DOJ makes a good case for the letter to Nasser being fake
The taxi driver recounting a story about a passenger who said he raped and later ended up dead seems hard to prosecute, the alleged victim is dead and the taxi driver's story, if true, is hearsay - if you impeached presidents on hearsay we wouldn't have anymore presidents.
You can say what you wish were true, but there's way too much smoke to pretend there's no fire at all.
I must have missed the civics lesson where we learned that an abundance of smoke removes the presumption of innocence.
And yes if there is a horrible crime alleged, of course I would wish it wasn't true for the sake of the alleged victim; i'm not a sociopath. Why would anybody wish otherwise?
Did you get the civics lesson that teaches you that institutions cannot investigate themselves? So long as the Justice Department is the only ones in charge of this, we will never get any real action. They are already breaking the law in the Epstein dumps. Protecting kiddie rapists is a pretty horrible crime in the average person's eyes.
Ok well congress can certainly impeach on the basis of not complying with the epstein file release law if need be, but in that case it has the ability to investigate and find a factual basis for said impeachment rather than rely only on smoke. I don't see what the problem is...
Decades of roiling, greasy smoke.
Of course we expect the legal system to presume innocence until proof is established, but that doesn't mean we should let the suspect grab us by the fire extinguisher.
You think Trump cares about presumption of innocence? He doesn’t seem to offer the same to those he has in his crosshairs. How about all of those “drug boats” and their presumption of innocence?
I must have missed the civics lesson in which we only afford the presumption of innocence to those who care about it.
[removed]
Your submission was removed because you do not have any user flair. Please select appropriate flair and then try again. If you are confused as to what flair suits you best simply choose right-wing, left-wing, or Independent. How-do-I-get-user-flair
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.
Nah, the 25th amendment is pretty explicitly a vehicle for like, catastrophic inability to execute the duties of the office. Anyone telling you different is a huckster or is genuinely too stupid to listen to.
Fundamentally this is alot of nothing, if anything it paints a broader narrative that Epstien REALLY had a grudge towards Trump but was unable to collect anything to actually use. Hence the prior releases of his emails doggedly hunting for anything to use on Trump.
No, not at this time.
If the these allegations are true… Rape and witness to infantcide of the person Trump raped, would that be enough?
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00025010.pdf
Yes,pretty certain that is exactly how this country is set up to work. Allegations are NOT meaningless but they are also not meaningful until proven true. I couldn’t care less about who spent time with Epstein. I care about people that are proven to have abused people and they deserve to have the book thrown at them. Until then, you can add this to the BS list.
No, it would be a misuse of the 25th. If there is evidence of high crimes or misdemeanors then impeachment is the appropriate remedy.
Because his other impeachments were so impactful
Meh.
Same old, same old. All out of pure hatred for the party across the aisle.
As always, remember to scroll to the bottom of the thread and expand the heavily downvoted comments to see the actual conservative perspectives.
Aren't the top level comments randomized to avoid exactly this? It's much better than the ask a liberal subreddit for this reason.
No, unfortunately. If you look at threads with split viewpoints the more left leaning one is at the top while the right leaning one is collapsed arthe bottom. For example:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskConservatives/s/5CsEhyWsaf
Any attempts by the mods for mitigate downvoting has been unsuccessful.
It's better than the asklib subreddit but that's because here the mods actually ban uncivil discussion (from both sides), even though they often miss bad faith discussion. I can understand it's a difficult tightrope to walk.
Huh, idk where I got that then. Definitely would resolve that issue. At least you can't see explicitly the votes.
The bad faith discussions are guaranteed to be rampant in such a subreddit unfortunately. I think this sub does as well as can be done.
How would he be ‘unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office?’
Regardless, if there is credible evidence, it should go to trial/impeachment. Letters from Epstein to anyone aren’t evidence. And using the term ‘young girls’ doesn’t necessarily mean under 18. It certainly could, but it’s not absolute.
Letters from Epstein would be damning evidence. They aren’t sensational allegations from someone with something to gain and they aren’t blackmail or tabloid fodder — they are quiet, candid correspondence between two private parties.
But that’s not the whole context is it? “Our President also shares our love of young, nubile girls.” The letter states Trump loves the same kinds of “young girls” as Epstein and Nassar.
If I wrote a letter to a friend saying that person x likes to strangle kittens, that is not evidence that person x likes to strangle kittens.
[removed]
Your submission was removed because you do not have any user flair. Please select appropriate flair and then try again. If you are confused as to what flair suits you best simply choose right-wing, left-wing, or Independent. How-do-I-get-user-flair
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.
Of course it’s evidence. Especially if you were a longtime friend of X and said something more like, “So-and-so is a kitten strangler like us.” You’re not only in a position to have first-hand knowledge, adding the context of your own association/guilt adds credibility. There’s also no discernible motive for that lie in private correspondence.
Epstein LITERALLY discussed in his talks with Wolff how to blackmail Trump. And you say he had "nothing to gain"?
This wasn’t a blackmail letter, it was a pity party how life is unfair.
Much ado about nothing. With a Republican Congress Impeachment is not in the cards. There is no way an impeachment can remove him from office nor is the 25th Amendment
The Epstein Files are not evidence of wrong doing. Given the good GDP numbers from today I don't know why the Democrats are beating this drum. Trump is doing what we elected him to do and Democrats have no alternatives to his policies.
Clicked on the first link to see this old story again...
Incredible how leftists are using the absence of evidence as evidence.
I agree that there isn't enough evidence to present a case to any grand jury. It would help to see emails and financial records to support a case.
These cases can be challenging to prove in court. The fact that Trump once threw a party at Mar-a-Lago with only Epstein as the guest, with young beauty contestants, was enough to set alarm bells for me, especially considering his numerous derogatory statements and aggressive behaviors toward women over the years. I worked with a few successful businessmen who gravitated to young, beautiful women during the same era (they oftentimes had unsuspecting wives and children at home). All of the people I worked with thought these men were creeps.
Trump and Epstein were much closer several years ago than Trump admits.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/18/us/jeffrey-epstein-donald-trump.html?unlocked_article_code=1.-08.bipS.ZgL3gMsNOOoZ&smid=url-share
[removed]
Warning: Rule 5.
The purpose of this sub is to ask conservatives. Comments between users without conservative flair are not allowed (except inside of our Weekly General Chat thread). Please keep discussions focused on asking conservatives questions and understanding conservatism. Thank you.
[removed]
Your submission was removed because you do not have any user flair. Please select appropriate flair and then try again. If you are confused as to what flair suits you best simply choose right-wing, left-wing, or Independent. How-do-I-get-user-flair
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.
[removed]
Your submission was removed because you do not have any user flair. Please select appropriate flair and then try again. If you are confused as to what flair suits you best simply choose right-wing, left-wing, or Independent. How-do-I-get-user-flair
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.
[removed]
Your submission was removed because you do not have any user flair. Please select appropriate flair and then try again. If you are confused as to what flair suits you best simply choose right-wing, left-wing, or Independent. How-do-I-get-user-flair
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.
If compelling evidence emerges that Trump intentionally messed with our dams, yes absolutely, straight to the gulag. Hydropower is important.
The leftists still can't seem to fully comprehend that the Epstein files make THEM look bad. They are trying so hard now to deflect on Trump after hoping they could take him down with those files.
Now that they can't, all that's left is the gaslighting and propaganda.
These are the same people who vilified unvaccinated people, fired them, stayed silent through BLM riots, want to mutilate children, reject masculinity, discriminate against Asians and Whites, and refuse to condemn Islamic terrorism. These types of people are so far gone, they cannot be debated with in good faith.
Fortunately they are here asking conservatives questions and getting owned.
What's your thought on how it's making leftists look bad?
1st one: Old, was a hoax called in right before the 2020 election.
2nd one: Even if accurate they traveled 8 times together before he inevitably kicked him to the curb. That isn't proof of anything nefarious yet, especially prior to Trump kicking him to the curb they were considered friends.
3rd: Absolutely fake. Post marked after he died and was sent from a completely different state than he was being held in prison.
Lastly: That isn't what the 25th amendment is for. He would need to go through the impeachment process.
So why would Trump lie about going on the plane and attempt to cover up how often he was on it?
I mean, would YOU willingly admit how many times you were flying together with someone who (even if you had no idea at the time) is now the most infamous pedophile in the country? Come on now. I doubt anyone would happily protest that, guilty or not of anything nefarious.
It’s fascinating that given the totality of circumstances someone would land on the side of “He didn’t know and understandably lied.”
I would absolutely be 100% forthcoming about how involved I was with that person if I truly did not do anything wrong/illegal 😭
Lol sure yah would. If you say so. Absolutely a minority though.
It's astonishing to me that conservatives will talk endlessly about values, Christianity, the need to cleanse the soul of the nation, and then reveal in words and deeds that they never meant any of it. Hypocrites galore.
re: the third, I agree it looks fake at least at first glance (his handwriting seems different), but how did it end up in the files in the first place?
I wish there were metadata on the files showing the provenance of each record. surely there's a spreadsheet like that somewhere, right?
Basically, while I think transparency is great (especially in a case like this), I think the public has a very poor sense of what "The Epstein Files" means. People take it as "this is the case the FBI built" when in fact it's the bureaucratic mess of "this is every single file vaguely related to this topic no matter how useless, wrong, speculative, disorganized, etc. Piecing it together into a truth is either going to be a LOT of hard work to actually put these pieces of evidence in context and corroborate them or it's going to involve what we've already done: trusting FBI testimony as to their expert judgement in that task.
I would imagine that the evaluation of details gets more specific as you go farther from "do we have the general sense that a crime was committed based on the totality of evidence" to "we're going to arrest this guy". Since Trump apparently never got to the latter category, perhaps it didn't seem warranted to meticulously rate every piece of evidence.
I imagine the DoJ would want to keep the context of everything in their database, either so they can use it to connect the dots or because they might want to present it in court (not as criminal evidence, but supporting facts.) I can't imagine they just have a giant internal file share with a single folder, surely?
According to the records, the prison found it in their mailroom several weeks later and sent it to the FBI.
It does seem to be a likely hoax. Too many inconsistencies, and it's so easy to just put a letter in the mail with someone else listed as the return address.
Probably swept up into the files when they were compiling everything together if I had to guess. Verification usually comes later. It's not hard to believe something like this slipping through, especially when they're rushing to get everything properly redacted in accordance to their release orders and they have who knows how many documents to sift through.
Getting that job done probably took over any importance of verification. But that's just my assumption, I couldn't make you any guarantees obviously.
I dont know if you know this...but mail to and from prisoners go through 3rd parties to check it. I had a friend in Wisconsin jail, if I mail him, it goes first through Arkansas, checked then resent, if appropriate, from there...meaning the post WOULD be from a totally different state and depending on when it was sent, COULD have been received after his death, thus returned to sender or in the files. Thats not as nefarious as you want to make it
I'm not making it nefarious, I'm calling it utter bullshit to be clear.
Wasn’t Epsteins letter to Nessar mentioned years ago?
Ok well, to be clear theres a huge possibility to you being wrong... source...I have family and friends in prison
I know you're saying they're all fake but then why stop these files from the initial release? Why violate the law that Trump signed into office? Couldn't they just "on initial release" say something like: "Look, this looks terrible but here's the proof we have that disputes the claims."
Hiding it all looks so, soo, much worse. Johnson shut down the government over the summer to avoid a vote, he refused to swear in a dem lawmaker to avoid the final signature on the release petition. And Most recently he sent congress home early AGAIN the day before the files were suppose to be released. You're telling me none of that is suspicious?
Who knows, I'm not clairvoyant. All I know is the examples you've provided are two hoaxes and something of no consequence.
There is no proof the first one is a hoax.
Just like there’s no proof the FBI confirmed these claims, investigated them further, or found them credible.
If the name in the file was Clinton instead of Trump would you feel differently?
Nope.
Clinton IS in "the files". And it is the same crap. Innuendo. Nothing criminal whatsoever.
all allegations against Clinton SHOULD be investigated. I don't see anyone defending Clinton but I see a whole lot of people bending over backwards to justify for Trump
What in the world is this "investigated" thing. Was Dept of Justice NOT "investigating" it for years, all throughout the Biden admin? And found nothing criminal against either Clinton or Trump?
These files are the result of investigations. This has all been investigated already.
I'm still waiting for an actual real conservative to respond.
This subreddit is predominantly liberals with new accounts.
Wow, the OP has solved the case and we can all go home now we know the facts and truth. We conservatives have said all along, all should stand trial with the evidence but this information has been out there for democratic prosecutors for a very very long time. You really think, your facts are suddenly more accurate than the Biden teams after spending years in every part of this. Jeez.
If trump was convicted by the Biden admin would you have believed it?
Now I've see it all. r whitepeopletwitter and r politics used as citations.
What evidence that has been released is admissible in court?
And yet one more “question” for this subreddit that is just another Leftist statement. Reminds me of a Rob Reiner version of Jeopardy
Can you explain why its okay for you to mock Rob Reiner after he was murdered, but anyone who mocks Charlie Kirk after his murder deserves to be canceled and fired from their job?
I don't know why the left is trying to so hard to get Trump deposed, Vance is a huge upgrade for the right
I’ve always found this argument disingenuous. Why shouldn’t a person who deserves to be removed be removed?
Even if the result is a replacement that is more effective at implementing conservative policies?
That has no bearing on whether they should be removed.
Almost always yes. Otherwise you prove that the rules of the system don't actually matter and the downstream effects are much worse
Would your answer to this question be "no" if the roles were reversed?
Some things are more important than left vs right vs left vs right.
If you thought Biden needed removal during his time in office, did you apply this logic to Kamala taking his seat?
Then isn’t that a good thing for you guys? Do you think the Magas also believes that Vance is an upgrade?
Probably. Vance is probably a downgrade to all the war mongers.
I think Trump is remarkably stupid. I've never heard him speak on a topic and show a deep and detailed understanding like I have from every other president. Give me Vance any day. So much better for the wellbeing of the country.