It seems that Epstein wrote Larry Nassar, the convicted Olympics doctor and serial rapist, and pointed to President Trump as loving 'young, nubile girls' and getting to "grab snatch" while Epstein / Nassar are left "snatching grub in the mess halls of the system."
To me that feels like a pretty strong indictment, but I'm curious to know if conservatives feel similarly or whether there is other nuance that may temper your feelings on the topic.
What's your take, and what should happen (if anything)?
Please allow me to sum up my thoughts: FAAAAAAKE!
Seems like an obvious fake. Unless perhaps Epstein's corpse managed to zombie walk to Virginia after he died and send a letter? And it manages to wrap everything up too perfectly, telling you exactly what you want to know in just a few short sentences. Plus it has the wrong prison name. And the word "nubile", while absolutely sickening, doesn't really match up. After reading his other letters and emails, I doubt he had the vocabulary to know that word. He certainly didn't write like that.
Or he gave it to his lawyer, as prisoners tend to do
You can't send letters to other inmates in federal prison, and you need your inmate number which this also lacked.
I'm unaware of any rule or law that wholesale prevents prisoners from sending letters to other prisoners, do you have any documentation of it?
It's BOP regulation.
You are incorrect.
An inmate may be permitted to correspond with an inmate confined in any other penal or correctional institution if the other inmate is either a member of the immediate family, or is a party or witness in a legal action in which both inmates are involved. Such correspondence may be approved in other exceptional circumstances, with particular regard to the security level of the institution, the nature of the relationship between the two inmates, and whether the inmate has other regular correspondence. The following additional limitations apply:
Yea and none of that applies to Epstein and Nassar hence why it was not allowed.
They had no special exception? Where are you reading that? I have a feeling due to you being incorrect about the other two facts you’re just guessing about all this?
No, they had no special exception. Had less than 0 to do with each other.
Feel free to provide the evidence that they did.
The letter exists and it got postmarked. We have no idea if it ever reached nassar. Your claims of it being fake have all fallen flat thus far. I don’t need to prove a special exemption for it to be real. Someone out there knows if they had one or not, you don’t. You should start all your claims with “this is just my opinion, but” and the discourse would be a lot cleaner.
His lawyer in New York? Which is famously not located in Virginia.
High profile lawyers often pass multiple bars and can work in multiple states
Is there any evidence that this happened? And if he took the letter from Epstein, why would he not mail it right then instead of taking it to another state and mailing it? Law offices send mail constantly, some even have their own mailrooms.
Sounds like a question to ask the DOJ, assuming they don't redact that too
Sure, go ahead and ask them. But the letter is an obvious hoax. The handwriting doesn't even look like Epstein's, it's completely different.
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Exactly. Especially high profile ones. Most if not all his mail would have been through a lawyer, as its privileged and cant be searched. Also, high profile prisoners constantly give mail to lawyers to send to others in the event of their deaths. The different date and lack of prisoner information doesnt mean its fake at all, its infact be more sketchy if he sent regular mail discussing nubile teens to a fellow pedo since hed never implicate himself like that through mail that is searched and read prior by guards.
People keep saying its not his handwriting but said the same about trumps signature on the birthday card thats obviously his and matches ton from that era. So while im skeptical of the letter, I think many just dont want it to be real so find any way to discredit it acting like they have smoking guns its fake when its not evidence its fake at all.
Federal inmates also cannot write to federal inmates in other prisons. Too much is wrong with the letter for it to be real. I understand some folks don't want to hear that, but it's the truth.
My opinion of Trump is already pretty bad (to the point where I believe it more likely than not that he has committed at least one sexual assault), so this would not change that.
But this postcard does nothing until its authenticity and credibility—two separate inquiries—are both established.
I am pretty passionate about my dislike for Trump (I believe he ruined the Conservative party), but this is one of those things that seems just a little TOO convenient.
But same as you, authenticity needs to be verified, but who would trust this verification?
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There's no algorithm saying anything, just read BOP regulations about inmates being able to send mail to each other.
Laws of prisons are not laws of physics.
Inmates aren't allowed to make private phone calls from staff phones either but we know he did.
Inmates aren't supposed to have special privileges to play with the therapy dogs or accept boxes of documents but Maxwell recieved both.
The existence of a rule isn't proof of anything except how things would operate in an ideal world.
THIS is why the administration playing fast and loose with laws is a problem.. They keep breaching their own credibility with exceptions which means we can't trust the laws anymore.
He was a co defendant w Epstein for the rape of a 13 yo child. I believe it’s public.
Okay?
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Pretty obvious fake. When I first read it, before I even knew it was declared fake at all, I thought something about how it was written was all wrong.
It's incriminating to the point of being a bit silly, while also being too obvious. Like saying he loved to "grab snatch" of any girl who walked by. So then anyone reading could say "see, see, just like he said! Grab them by the pussy"!! Or even the vocabulary, like "nubile".
It sounds like a Redditor's attempt at writing something incriminating.
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I thought so at first too. That was my instinct. Obviously fake. But then once I parsed the intent i had second thoughts.
He was trying to make a joke. because his A's and U's look similar so he was trying to say:
"we're the three amigos and one gets to grab snatch and two get to snatch grub. Two are in jail and one leads the world. Life's unfair and then you die" <= That's the intended read. That's why he said "president " and not "Trump" -- he was trying to signal status difference for similar crimes.
Again I sort of lean fake because the paper trail is so fucked. But I don't entirely discount it either.
It's not necessarily 5th grader trying to get someone in trouble. It can also be a fumbled joke which seems a bit sophisticated for a faked "confession".
I know he was trying to make a joke, but that's also what makes me doubt it more. It seems like a somewhat hamfisted way to get the "grab by the pussy" remark in there.
I mean, is it possible that is real? Yeah, anything is possible. But the goofy way it's written is only one of a number of issues, really.
I feel bad for anyone that falls for a fake letter.
Postmarked 3 days after he died, in Northern Virginia (he was in NY), with an incorrect return address and no inmate number which is required for outgoing mail. All that as well as federal inmates not being allowed to send mail to each other, with handwriting that obviously doesn't match.
Just use your common sense. True crime mania in this country has called nationwide brain rot. Yes, obviously the first thing Epstein is going to do after getting jailed is to write a letter to someone he had no connection to.
If it's fake, why did the DOJ release it....?
Because it's technically part of the files. This is what everyone wanted and was warned about. Everything associated with this is part of the "files" and as a result are being released. This isn't even the craziest fake document either.
Why does the DOJ have a fake letter in their files of documents related to Epstein?
Because there's a ton of insane crap in the files. There's one file from someone claiming Hillary Clinton was responsible for the Oklahoma City bombing.
Because as part of criminal investigations you collect everything that may be evidence and evaluate if it is evidence.
Prison mail is searched first so the date is often days before when its actually postmarked. If one wrote a letter on a Friday, it could be Monday or even Tuesday before its sent into the actual system. But the biggest issue is no return inmate information.
However, its entirely possible it was sent via his lawyer. Which would explain the delay and being in Virginia, and wouldnt have been read by prison staff. Its not like the lawyer runs to the post office across the street he could have held it for weeks if not taken it with him. As many defendants write things for their lawyer to disperse if they die. If epstein was sending any letters almost all would have been privileged mail theough his lawyer, he wouldnt be using the regular prison mail system. Especially ones where hes engaging in his perversion of discussing nubile young girls.
Epstein was already in jail for 36 days, its not "the first thing" he did. Dude was outgoing and trying to socialize with anyone like him, its not outlandish that he felt solidarity with nassar. As plenty make jail pen pals if they feel they have the same "cause". Most correspondence to actual friends he had would have likely been done through his lawyer to avoid implicating himself or others in anything.
So we know he definitely sent mail through his lawyer as all high profile prisoners do. We also know he was in jail for over a month unlike what you claim as being "days". So its not "brain rot" at all to know theres a possibility it was sent through the lawyer. Infact, refusing this possibility is the actual brain rot since youre discussing prison mail as if youre an expert but completely ignore mail through attorney.
Im skeptical its real, but the excuses you and others throw up is not a smoking gun that its not real. Its just you "want" it not to be real, as much as others "want" it to be real. Nothing you say discredits it not being real, only if the writing doesnt match is that evidence. But many like yourself were parroting trumps signature being fake on the birthday card when it matches tons of his prior signatures of the era.
Where did I say anything about the birthday card signature?
And the letter to Nassar was investigated at the time and determined to be fake. And again, inmate number is required on outgoing mail, if this was sent by his lawyer that would have been the first thing marked on the letter. You very curiously and conveniently left that part out. I wonder why?
Who confirmed it to be fake other than our compromised DOJ?
thanks for logically explaining the feasibility of this rather than relying on "common sense" when most people don't know how this stuff works.
There was no logic to the comment. A letter facilitated by a lawyer still requires an inmate number, which is the first thing any lawyer would do in this circumstance.
If it was faked then wouldn’t it have the correct time and address?
No.
So what do you believe was the purpose of the fake letter? If something as simple as the time and location is incorrect then surely it wasn’t trying to trick people?
I think you know the purpose
By whom and when? This would only hurt Trump so if the democrats were behind it then wouldn’t they use it when Biden was running things?
Who said anything about Democrats being behind it?
Why would Trumps own people try and implicate him?
Who said it was Trump's own people?
A fake letter doesn’t just construct itself. You seemed to believe that it was intended to deceive so someone must have intentionally planted it there?
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Just as an aside, handwriting analysis isn’t super accurate. It’s often seen as junk science.
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I stated this ti someone else... mail to and from jails go through 3rd parties, get reviewed and then sent out.
Average mail arrives to a recipient 3 to 5 business days. Mail to a prisoner, add a few days.
So for example, fond du lac wisconsins jail, mail to those inmates actually goes to a facility in Arkansas, gets reviewed, and THEN mailed to fond du lac.
I used that example because I had a friend in jail there, but my brother and dad also spent time in prison in OK so I know this to be FACT.(And it worked in direct mailing for 10 years) It can be confirmed by going to their web pages.
So the date After he died ans from another state doesnt prove it's not real....
Is the post mark date the only thing you read in my comment?
Does invalidating the post mark date invalidate the rest of your comment ?
Did you read the other things in the comment?
Yes. Again, does him invalidating one part of your comment mean that he thinks the rest of your comment is invalid?
The answer I’m expecting is no, btw, but just checking.
First off, do you think general Common Sense is really the best way for everyone to decipher what’s real and what’s not? especially when the realistic nature of AI is getting better literally by the day? I don’t think this is reasonable. Yes it muddies the water, but someone (DOJ) should refute it immediately if this is NOT part of the files.. have you checked to see if DOJ has denounced this letter as fake?
Secondly, you think it’s fake, while others think it’s real. But in the end… someone is right and someone is wrong with this situation. Given the quickly mounting documents that they keep releasing, thousands of documents that literally have trumps name and photos in them A LOT, especially with all the clearly Trump focused redactions, the feet dragging and slow walking by the DOJ.. doesn’t that good ole COMMON SENSE tell us that the president and his loyalist DOJ are acting in Bad Faith to cover for him? I mean all signs keep pointing more towards Trump being a bestie pedo with Epstein, and all I see is “fake news - it’s AI”.. where does the accountability start?
DOJ already refuted it. This is the the thing everyone who wanted all the files released was warned about. Literally everything that falls under the umbrella would get released, even if fake.
who made it fake though? DOJ? fake makes no sense.
DOJ has a conflict of interest which is the problem. Their boss is the suspect. In any other case, a prosecutor literally working for the accused is inherently seen as a compromise. Why apply a different set of principles here than you would elsehwere.
What we need are Independently verified external sources. Not tweets from the compromised.
Among the files SHOULD be their original, dated, handwriting analaysis from an expert. Once I see that, I'll know this is fake. If it doesn't show up, they have either lied about getting it done or they're not complaining with the law by not releasing it.
So what is fake and what is not? The FBI literally spent millions just on Overtime paying nearly 1000 agents to comb thru and redact content from the Epstein files. and that was back in MARCH. You mean to tell everyone that during all that time meticulously investigating and marking up thousands of documents, that they couldn’t simply pulled or at least flagged these “fake” documents?
What happened to the maga diggers, the QAnon folks who’re so determined to find their own facts? What do they think of all this smoke screen type behavior? I mean for people who consistently don’t trust the government, isn’t taking THIS administration and justice dept for their word just backwards?
Why would I know what they think?
Are you deflecting to avoid answering my questions?
Why are you asking stupid questions about people you know more about than me?
Is that a yes?
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It is a fake letter, and not just any fake--it is a horrible fake. A first grader could tell it is fabricated. Waste of time.
Are you saying AG Bondi has betrayed Trump and MAGA by releasing a forgery to connect Trump to 100% convicted and irrevocably confirmed child raper Larry Nassar?
They released everything in the "files" that the FBI had collected in the past without regard to what was real, fake, or disputed. Everything.
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Aside from the DOJ saying so, what's the source for that statement of fact?
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Fake.
No it's not. We know it exsisted for years, and the FBI got the letter under Trump-1. Why would they fake it. Heck, there's another letter, where they FBI or the DOJ tried to warn Trump during Trump-1 to not get surprised how bad the stuff they got is.
The FBI said it was fake. What do you know that the FBI doesn’t?
Can the FBI provide it's evidence for said statement of fact, or just say " It's fake, believe us hehe"
Are you suggesting that the government doesn’t always tell us the truth or have our best interests in mind? (Careful or you’ll find yourself becoming conservative)
Yes as a matter of fact! I don't just blindly trust any administration to tell the truth. Does that make me a conservative? Nope. Just means I'm skeptical of any 3 letter agency just outright stating facts without any proof. Why willingly break the passed law by redacting anything? Why not just release the investigative evidence/proof as to why the letter is "fake"
My man, the director of the FBI has lied under oath a few months ago.
There are very concerning connections between Trump and Epstein. It gets even more concerning when you peel back the layers and look at Trump, Epstein, The Mossad and Adnan Khashoggi. But I digress.
Epstein hasn’t been convicted yet. Despite being evil he was a smart guy. Surely he would have known that maybe it wouldn’t be a good idea for him to communicate with another convicted sex offender while in jail for sex crimes? That’d be like a mafia guy in jail writing John Gotti in prison and being like “hey I really like the way you do mafia stuff. By the way I’m in jail for mafia stuff. Also, the president might be involved in all this. Anyway XoXo.”
I do believe that there’s an illicit connection between Trump and Epstein but I’m not so sure that this letter is the smoking gun that’s needed.
I doubt the veracity of this letter, but confessions in suicide notes are reasonably common.
This is the letter.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-sent-letter-larry-nassar-prison-before-suicide-records-ap/
The description matches.
I detest Trump, but the source here isn't exactly inspiring confidence from me.
Seems that folks want Trump to be guilty so badly, they'll grasp at any straw.
To put it very mildly, I'm skeptical.
It's a letter released by the DOJ, hardly just another straw to grasp at.
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why would the DOJ release this fake letter?
Because they are required too. Everything associated with this is considered part of the files.
there are several things they were required to do, but didn't do. like redacting only stuff that is necessary to protect victims identities, or justifying every single redaction. didn't do that. why redact most of it, but not a fake - and incredibly damning - letter?
I'm not suggesting anything, I'm genuinely asking.
Bingo.
Agreed, I think Trump is a nightmare and cannot wait for his term to end… but if anyone takes Epstein at his word alone, I have a bridge to sell them. The man was a lying, manipulative sociopath.
To me it seems more likely than not to that Trump did something awful (why fight the release so hard), but I’m waiting for evidence that didn’t come from a human cockroach writing to another human cockroach.
The thing about Epstein is, he's a manipulator. That includes building up blackmail material in case he had to buy himself an out. Any material generated by him and not backed by evidence is going to be questionable at best.
Writing a salacious letter to another sexual abuser to denigrate a third party? That's not even something worth considering.
People are refusing to show any skepticism towards the source, and they're taking the equivalent of bathroom graffiti as gospel.
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