It's fun when they tell on themselves. This is a tacit admission that outside of his whiteness, he doesn't take pride in who he his. That's the only lens through which he's able to see self pride, because he has nothing else to compare it to.
Just curious, would you say this about someone who was proud to be ____ (black,Asian, etc)? I understand your position, but I typically see this logic only applied to one group but not others. I’m sure this comment will get downvoted, but it’s a genuine question.
I feel like this is more because of the history of those who claimed white power were racists, like those in the KKK, to ensure white supremacy through policies like Jim Crow. Whereas the proud to be _______ minority wasn't, instead using it to galvanize support for the downtrodden to enact positive change in society, not to keep the others down.
To get around how "white" was cooped, we just use nationalities. Proud to be Irish/Italian, which were discriminated against in the past as well.
I’m American, so I’m not inundated with UK news or anything, but I recently saw a story about the English flag being considered controversial and was being removed from public in cities were it had been displayed. Like I said I don’t really keep up with their politics so I’m not sure why it is seen as divisive in the UK.
the cross of st George? the issue isn't about being English, the fact that you think that already shows me youre a hell of a lunatic.
the issue was with white nationalists groups using it not with the fact of being English. one can criticize the white nationalists without hating the english.
same thing about the confederate flag, most ppl who use it are awful, that doesn't mean you hate southerners
then stop fucking replicating white nationalists dog whistles. jesus christ, if i dont know about a topic, yknow what i dont do? speak about it.
the fact of the matter is, white nationalists were using the flag in riots, ppl complained, they went to if you hate us you hate the english and youre replicating that now
Firstly, being proud of being white is being proud of your race, whereas being proud of being black (in the context of African-American culture) or Asian (usually relates to your culture) are to do with your culture. There is nothing wrong with being proud of say, English culture, but to be proud of your race is a slippery slope towards Racial Supremacism
Secondly, 'white pride' is typically associated with nazi, confederate, or otherwise racist movements because at the end of the day, being proud of your race mostly means putting it above others. These movements are considered bad by the majority of people, and I hope you, so the idea of 'white pride' leaves a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths.
I think the disconnect for me is that Im relating it to culture as well. I’m an american, and most “white” people I know don’t really know for certain what their ethnicity is unless they take a test. So in my experience, it’s used the same way black is in America as a catch all term for Americans of lighter complexion, like black is for our melanated brethren.
And yes it definitely has been and is used for nefarious purposes, but so has black pride by, for example black Hebrew Israelites, though I understand not even remotely close to at the same level.
This isn’t anything I particularly care about, this was mostly just an interesting discussion on what is and isn’t accepted socially, and why.
the reason "black" is cultural in America is because cultural and ethnic identities were lost due to the slave trade. The common experience binding African Americans in the USA became the amount of melanin in their skin.
I only wish I was either slightly less white or at least the shade of white that isn't susceptible to moonburns, but alas. At least the winter time is safe
Ehh, I’m waffling only because I’ve heard that phrase said aloud to my face by actual people. (And usually light-skinned folks; the darker skinned folks in my anecdotal experience usually use “Latino/a” or if they’re specifically Mexican American, “Chicano/a” — not exclusively on any of the terms, but generally)
Which is something that a lot of non-Hispanic folks don’t get, and ask why it’s a separate section on the demographic surveys.
My point being more that it’s difficult for non-Hispanics, especially those who don’t have much contact with Hispanic communities, to understand how self-identified Hispanics can see themselves as white, or really understand the colourism that exists in that community.
I’m from a place that has a LARGE Hispanic community (mostly Chicano and Mexican-American), and even there non-Hispanic folks frequently expressed surprise when they met someone with a Spanish last name who didn’t “look Mexican” to them.
Yeah I understand. I think another problem in the US is how celebrating the nation has been pushed way harder than celebrating cultural heritage like they do in Latin America. So the concept of ethnicity (culture based) blends into race.
I had a guidance counselor (Latina) that told me a story about a student (white non-hispanic) she was helping pick classes. She said she didn't want to take Spanish 101 because she didn't want to be culturally appropriating the guidance counselor's people. But then on the opposite end, you have racists who think all Latinos are Mexican immigrants.
Its because in their home countries there are still caste systems that determine your worth based on your skin tone. The lighter you are the more money you have in theory as your skin isnt darkened from working outside.
That's why you see so many of them thinking white supremacists will accept them. Same exact reason for Indians, and Filipinos. They even bleach their skin in the Phillipines for the same reason.
The colourism isn’t as simple as “don’t have to work outside” — it’s more about the colonisers, because rich Spanish families didn’t mix as much with the natives.
There’s nothing to argue about; you already said what you said. I’m asking you to reconsider calling Indians uncivilized savages and hiding behind what you think is adequate vagueness. And no, I don’t “know” Indians to be “unfortunate people” — I am Indian and don’t take kindly to the nonsense you said in your knee jerk reaction.
Ah yes, the classic “white” ethnicity. Not Irish, not Czech, not Danish, but “white.” A gradually expanded invention specifically made to exclude those who aren’t considered white
I'm proud to be part Irish, but I'm not proud to be fucking white. Whiteness is the erasure of cultures. One of the only good things about being white is the fact I can protect my non white friends from cops.
It's fun when they tell on themselves. This is a tacit admission that outside of his whiteness, he doesn't take pride in who he his. That's the only lens through which he's able to see self pride, because he has nothing else to compare it to.
Loser shit.
Just curious, would you say this about someone who was proud to be ____ (black,Asian, etc)? I understand your position, but I typically see this logic only applied to one group but not others. I’m sure this comment will get downvoted, but it’s a genuine question.
I feel like this is more because of the history of those who claimed white power were racists, like those in the KKK, to ensure white supremacy through policies like Jim Crow. Whereas the proud to be _______ minority wasn't, instead using it to galvanize support for the downtrodden to enact positive change in society, not to keep the others down.
To get around how "white" was cooped, we just use nationalities. Proud to be Irish/Italian, which were discriminated against in the past as well.
probably because 'white pride' has some specific connotations that most others generally don't have
you want to be proud of your heritage? go for it, but your heritage isn't 'white' it'll be Irish or Italian or German.
English actually, but that’s become an issue recently as well from what I’ve seen in the uk.
when is being english a problem? give me an example
I’m American, so I’m not inundated with UK news or anything, but I recently saw a story about the English flag being considered controversial and was being removed from public in cities were it had been displayed. Like I said I don’t really keep up with their politics so I’m not sure why it is seen as divisive in the UK.
the cross of st George? the issue isn't about being English, the fact that you think that already shows me youre a hell of a lunatic.
the issue was with white nationalists groups using it not with the fact of being English. one can criticize the white nationalists without hating the english.
same thing about the confederate flag, most ppl who use it are awful, that doesn't mean you hate southerners
Lunatic? That’s a little extreme. I told you I don’t keep up with the goings on in the uk and only saw the story in passing.
then stop fucking replicating white nationalists dog whistles. jesus christ, if i dont know about a topic, yknow what i dont do? speak about it.
the fact of the matter is, white nationalists were using the flag in riots, ppl complained, they went to if you hate us you hate the english and youre replicating that now
Buddy I’m just shooting the shit, having a conversation. I didn’t know the context.
Firstly, being proud of being white is being proud of your race, whereas being proud of being black (in the context of African-American culture) or Asian (usually relates to your culture) are to do with your culture. There is nothing wrong with being proud of say, English culture, but to be proud of your race is a slippery slope towards Racial Supremacism
Secondly, 'white pride' is typically associated with nazi, confederate, or otherwise racist movements because at the end of the day, being proud of your race mostly means putting it above others. These movements are considered bad by the majority of people, and I hope you, so the idea of 'white pride' leaves a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths.
Hope that answers your question.
I think the disconnect for me is that Im relating it to culture as well. I’m an american, and most “white” people I know don’t really know for certain what their ethnicity is unless they take a test. So in my experience, it’s used the same way black is in America as a catch all term for Americans of lighter complexion, like black is for our melanated brethren.
And yes it definitely has been and is used for nefarious purposes, but so has black pride by, for example black Hebrew Israelites, though I understand not even remotely close to at the same level.
This isn’t anything I particularly care about, this was mostly just an interesting discussion on what is and isn’t accepted socially, and why.
the reason "black" is cultural in America is because cultural and ethnic identities were lost due to the slave trade. The common experience binding African Americans in the USA became the amount of melanin in their skin.
Anecdotally speaking, I would.
I respect that, because I agree with the sentiment, just don’t like that a lot of people don’t evenly apply it.
I hear that; everyone's different.
I've just always found it a bit difficult for me to take pride in things that I didn't accomplish.
"Different strokes for different folks"
Why would I be proud to be white? It’s not something I had a part in.
I’m not ashamed of it either.
I only wish I was either slightly less white or at least the shade of white that isn't susceptible to moonburns, but alas. At least the winter time is safe
Hispanic is one of those weird identities where some of them do actually identify as white, so I feel this is less cosplay and more collaborator.
"As a Hispanic" is how someone who calls people "blacks" and "white people". That's the giveaway
Ehh, I’m waffling only because I’ve heard that phrase said aloud to my face by actual people. (And usually light-skinned folks; the darker skinned folks in my anecdotal experience usually use “Latino/a” or if they’re specifically Mexican American, “Chicano/a” — not exclusively on any of the terms, but generally)
It's because it's an ethnicity. You can be any race and still be Hispanic or Latino.
Which is something that a lot of non-Hispanic folks don’t get, and ask why it’s a separate section on the demographic surveys.
My point being more that it’s difficult for non-Hispanics, especially those who don’t have much contact with Hispanic communities, to understand how self-identified Hispanics can see themselves as white, or really understand the colourism that exists in that community.
I’m from a place that has a LARGE Hispanic community (mostly Chicano and Mexican-American), and even there non-Hispanic folks frequently expressed surprise when they met someone with a Spanish last name who didn’t “look Mexican” to them.
Yeah I understand. I think another problem in the US is how celebrating the nation has been pushed way harder than celebrating cultural heritage like they do in Latin America. So the concept of ethnicity (culture based) blends into race.
I had a guidance counselor (Latina) that told me a story about a student (white non-hispanic) she was helping pick classes. She said she didn't want to take Spanish 101 because she didn't want to be culturally appropriating the guidance counselor's people. But then on the opposite end, you have racists who think all Latinos are Mexican immigrants.
Its because in their home countries there are still caste systems that determine your worth based on your skin tone. The lighter you are the more money you have in theory as your skin isnt darkened from working outside.
That's why you see so many of them thinking white supremacists will accept them. Same exact reason for Indians, and Filipinos. They even bleach their skin in the Phillipines for the same reason.
The colourism isn’t as simple as “don’t have to work outside” — it’s more about the colonisers, because rich Spanish families didn’t mix as much with the natives.
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So who are those “savages” you describe? Indians? Please dude.
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It’s in the comment you responded to. You said caste systems are for uncivilized savages….
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There’s nothing to argue about; you already said what you said. I’m asking you to reconsider calling Indians uncivilized savages and hiding behind what you think is adequate vagueness. And no, I don’t “know” Indians to be “unfortunate people” — I am Indian and don’t take kindly to the nonsense you said in your knee jerk reaction.
Bro just threw a stray at Indians for no reason and doubled down
Ah yes, the classic “white” ethnicity. Not Irish, not Czech, not Danish, but “white.” A gradually expanded invention specifically made to exclude those who aren’t considered white
Anyone else find the White Government passport office is extremely slow? Still waiting for mine.
Luckily you never need to show your White passport. Somehow you just stand there and they trust you.
Statement: Person claims to be “a Hispanic” while defending white pride.
"white" exists only in relation to other skin colors.
Pride in being from Norwegian stock? Fine.
Pride in being from Italian stock? Fine. They've even been white for like 50 years.
Pride in being from German stock? ehhh . . . . don't lead with it.
Pride in being "white"? Yeah you're a goddamn nazi.
I'm proud to be part Irish, but I'm not proud to be fucking white. Whiteness is the erasure of cultures. One of the only good things about being white is the fact I can protect my non white friends from cops.