I've seen that usually there's 2 grops. The ones that use "Again and "Good" and the ones that use the four bottons. I use "Hard" as "Good". (and well, "again" as "again")
So far I didn't have any problem with it, but I started using FSRS. and realized I was reviewing like 200 cards a day. Despite not being such of an issue for me, I think it's a bit too short the time it gives me in between each review (hard being like for the next day no matter what)
I started using "Hard" as "Good" since I started using anki and it was mostly bc I think that the default time that "Good" option give you, it's way too much.
Does this affect FSRS? Should I change the habit? I just really like to review a lot.
The problem with using Hard as your default instead of Good is that both algorithms are designed to treat Hard cards as ones that you got correct, but need more work, and Good cards as acceptable and ready to advance. Even if you change those grading rules, that doesn't change how the formulas treat the grades.
I guess there's a chance that FSRS can sort of adapt to that habit -- since it also looks at what your patterns of success are on cards that get graded Hard repeatedly -- but you're a bit in uncharted territory. When you started using FSRS, did you optimize your parameters? What are they (as text, please)?
Based on this, your other options include --
Thanks for responding. Started using FSRS the past week. And just right now I optimized them for the first time (after I became aware that "hard" was just giving me the option to review the next day most of the cards)
(here parameters) 0.1383, 1.4065, 1.4065, 1.4065, 6.5037, 0.7486, 2.8797, 0.1505, 1.7954, 0.0934, 0.7022, 1.5476, 0.0670, 0.4174, 1.5430, 0.4439, 2.6130, 0.8780, 0.0522, 0.1540, 0.2529
Yeah, I figured the default parameters would be a particularly bad fit for your habit.
And it looks like FSRS has been able to adjust a bit.
0.1383, 1.4065, 1.4065, 1.4065, ...0.2120, 1.2931, 2.3065, 8.2956, ...If you look at the first 4, for instance. FSRS has increased that initial stability a little bit (from 1.29d to 1.4d), but it has also figured out that cards with Good or Easy as their first grade don't need a longer initial Stability than cards with a first grade of Hard.
If you compare yours to the defaults using something like the FSRS Visualizer -- https://open-spaced-repetition.github.io/anki_fsrs_visualizer (plug in 2222222 to show what a series of Hard grades will look like) -- you'll see that the intervals start low and grow slowly, but that the pressure does ease off after a bit, which sounds like what you want. As I said above, adjusting the DR might be enough, if you want to keep going this way.
Did FSRS count a lot of reviews when you did that? (If you don't remember, you can click Optimize again to see the number, and then close without saving.)
If you wanted to change to a more typical grading pattern, I'd be cautious about making sure you establish a significant grading history with the new pattern before optimizing. That might even mean you go back to the defaults to get more reasonable scheduling while you do that. And then you'll probably want to reschedule after that (using the FSRS Helper add-on).
What about learning/relearning steps? With SM-2, your cards couldn't graduate to Review without a Good grade. Were you keeping them in Learn/Relearn forever? What are you steps now?
I will adjust the DR more to see how it goes.
Yes It counted around 17.000 reviews.
And what I want to achieve is that it starts slow, but then it grows fast. Kinda like just doubling the time it takes to review again.
When it's new (learning step) I just use good at the beginning, and then hard (because it leaves it for the next day). So basically I just select the options by the time it would give me to review. Just when I feel it's a word I already know by heart, then I pick easy.
https://preview.redd.it/k4v31pm30fcg1.jpeg?width=935&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e0916e4869671e033ffe173beb6d76c7bca8b66d
(it basically looks like this)
Do you have some reason to think that scheduling is a good fit for you? Or is that just what you want?
Here's the thing about FSRS -- if your review history shows that you have success with scheduling like that, FSRS will see that when you optimize, and it will give you scheduling like that. If it doesn't show that, FSRS won't.
Thanks for the Answer Buttons and the description of your workflow. How long have you been studying to get to 17K reviews? It's not impossible to overcome that much history -- but if you want to, you need to adjust yourself to choosing the button based on your answer -- not based on when you've decided you want to study the card again.
Start by looking at your Stats > Retention. Even though you've been using FSRS for a week, I assume you left DR at 90% and you didn't "reschedule" your cards when you enabled it? Considering that, your retention results are mostly based on when the cards were already scheduled. So, how have you been doing for the past week/month? That can help you find a starting point for DR.
Now that you've got optimized parameters, study for a week and see if your retention is staying steady, or trending up/down. You can also think about your workload -- whether it's more or less than you want. When you adjust DR, a little goes a long way.
Not really, It's just what It has worked in the past, but I mean, I'm open to seeing new ways that may improve my retention or study.
Around 9 months. But yeah, I wanna change the habit and use it the intended way.
Actually it was at 95%, I lowered it to 90. And nope, I didn't reschedule them yet. My system of grading without FSRS was working perfectly, until one day the configurations broke and I decided to use FSRS, instead of figure out what I had before.
Well, I'll try to change to the more classic way to grade, and adjust the retention depending on work it adjusts to me the most.
But thanks a lot for the help, I'll try the plugging you told me and reschedule it
If you want only retrievability then it is fine,
If you want long term retention, you can lower it more
I'd use the buttons as intended but change your target retention rate if you want to tweak things
You can open the bathroom door with your foot, but why would do it in the first place.
Just use your hands instead.
After a few months, you will be pretty good at opening doors with your feet, but in the end of the day, it is just a more inconvenient way to do something that is already pretty simple.
I don’t understand your reasoning at all.
Edit: for (re)learning cards (cards that FSRS don’t have control since your learning steps are taking place) this is just plain dumb, it will never graduate a card.
Let's not cast aspersions on the genius of the StepNpull! 😉
We just don't simply understand the buttons the same way...
I don't click hard, good or easy for difficulty, I just see what time feels perfect for me to review the next time. Something that worked perfectly before I started using FSRS
Btw, your comment feels a bit aggressive and irrelevant , I'm just looking for a solution and respect, not being called stupid for using something the way you didn't intend.
FSRS will adapt to what you input based on how you grade it.
If you answer based on the next interval time and not if a card was hard, good or easy, then FSRS won’t know the real grade of card, you will be giving a less accurate input.
I could give you a really long explanation on why to use the 2 or 4 buttons paradigm, but hard/again isn’t the best option.
Also, if I am not mistaken there is some research saying that what we call “stability” may increase faster when the intervals are longer, so cutting yourself short may not be a good idea if you value stability / retrievability. (If you care only about retrievability then I guess it is fine what you are doing)
Edit: SM2 was just an algo, a very complex one, but in the end of the day it was just an algo, now FSRS is a algo with machine learning, he learns from you, be careful, trash in = trash out.
Thanks, for the comment.
I didn't know it actually mattered that much the options for FSRS. I guess I'll try to switch the habit. I just don't know how the switch will affect the FSRS I already have
To be honest, if you harmed FSRS in any meaningful way, it will eventually correct itself.
I suggest disabling the “show intervals”, nothing good can come from it, some people gets anxious and grades it incorrectly based on them. But if you don’t know the intervals then your only options is to be true to yourself.
Beep boop, human! If you have a question about FSRS, please refer to the pinned post, it has all the FSRS-related information you may ever need. It is highly recommended to click link 3 from said post - which leads to the Anki manual - to learn how to set FSRS up.
Remember that the only button you should press if you couldn't recall the answer is 'Again'. 'Hard' is a passing grade, not a failing grade. If you misuse 'Hard', all of your intervals will be excessively long.
You don't need to reply, and I will not reply to your future posts. Have a good day!
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