I guess he's letting all the bad shit that happens, happen again? That and it being a rather lackluster time loop ending.
Spellforce did it waaaaay better IMO. Spoilers for the whole plot:
Rohen, the man you've been trying to save from an ambush, turns out to be the very same big bad that kills him. How? Well, Rohen hands you the McGuffin the big bad wants, and tells you to find some specific artifacts, this is so in the end of the story the big bad can take them from you, because the big bad IS Rohen... but YOUNG. He takes your stuff, travels back to the past, realizes it was all bullshit and then the story begins anew. Rohen sacrifices himself and uses you to ensure this time loop keeps happening.
not really, iirc he goes back to the beginning in order to get rid of the monarchs (main antagonists) which results in the world remaining normal, so no gates or hunters
I mean, in the end. He loses everything. Everyone else just dies to big bad boss. I don't remember was there someone or something that gave him option to travel back in time before everyone dies and he can live happily.
The earth "gods" that like gave power to the blonde American guy had been reseting with like the holy grail. They had one reset left or something but they said this was the best ending so far? Anyways he still decides to reset and fight the monarchs in between dimensions before they get a chance to reach earth and so the world never gets invaded. The gods are like woew he's so cool he didnt want any of the glory or fame if it means saving everyone, he's so awesome and cool and the best monarch and so strong and his dick is so massive. IIRC
I don't remember a specific indication of how many resets were left, just that the grail was accumulating damage and that they didn't think they could get another ending this good before it broke.
Yeah maybe it was just like it "could" only reset one more time before it broke but wasn't a certainty, I just remember there was an excuse as to why they couldn't just keep doing it forever. Still dumb as hell and a huge ass pull
I prefer the way it was used in Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint.
Spoiler ahead, but still keeping it light it's a perfectly closed loop that was clearly decided from the start, plenty of hints looking back that you simply wouldn't be able to piece together until you knew
Mostly stuff Han Sooyoung says to him when he faces off against her in the false prophet arc.
It can read as the ramblings of the losing villain about how unexpectedly strong the MC is, but, bigger spoiler ahead
she was absolutely certain that he was the author, that there's no way he'd have been that interested in the story if it wasn't his own, and while she's wrong about him being the author of 3 ways of survival, the way she phrases it takes a completely different meaning when you know she's talking to the oldest dream
He went back exactly to prevent all the bad shit from happening. No gates, no hunters, no monsters. Earth goes on normally, while he fights the sovereigns in another dimension. And no time loop, just a one time time reversal. Don't know about Ragnarok tho, I ain't reading that
Edit: I don't care about the anime so animators getting exhausted means nothing to me. So far, I'm enjoying the sequel manwha more than the original and I liked the original
I like it. It's less of a straight power fantasy, the pacing is good, it expands on the lore and handles issues readers might have noticed when the first series finished, the fights feel less like you know the MC is always going to win (to me at least), and it takes the same essential powers but changes them in a way that makes sense for a different kind of fighter
It's can honestly probably be considered better written than the original if you look at it overall. It includes the side characters a lot more. Tho the problem is that it's still not that amazing but it also isn't as good in the power fantasy aspect which is what made solo leveling enjoyable despite it being bad in every other aspect.
It literally is how it works, you have a limited pool of top tier sakuga animators, so having them utilized on as hit project diminishes chances they end up working on valuable stuff.
Ok to be fair it's not the existence of time travel that's the problem. It's the use. It means that nothing that happened matters, all the sacrifices were pointless, no one even knows. All except for one guy who knows everything and had access to powers from that other reality.
Time travel can be added and done fine. Except when it erases the entire story and all the characters until that point.
Because it's still completely out of left field compared the entire rest of the series, not to mention, as other comments have said, it just invalidates the entire series by just undoing everything that happened.
I found it pretty easy to make the connection. I mean this is a war between beings capable of dimension hoping. Time travel should not be too far from the realm of possibilities. I don’t feel it invalidates anything because the main character still experiences everything. He still struggled (what little bit he did at first). What would be a valid ending? Sung becoming a God?
Him defeating his enemies with existing means instead of being handed an ex machina solution that not only helps him beat his enemies, but also fixes every single other problem that has happened in the entire series.
And he DID basically become a god at the end, tf are you talking about?
Not to mention readers care both about the main character and the world around them, and in that world are other characters, who while aren't followed as closely are still characters and important. Half the reason there was time travel was to save those characters. But in doing so those same characters we learned about, much worse than death, they were completely erased. They are no longer the same, and the world is no longer the same. Only the main character remains and that makes a hollow story.
The only good time to have time travel is when you keep the limits set. For me it's never going back to before we meet the character(and have known them awhile) and then change their future. Or you make it clear that events are set, then the character doesn't change but the interpretation does( for example the first(and only first) back to the future movie, Doc got shot, that was set, but what was altered is him having a bullet proof vest. Saved the character without making him someone else(either because he was always the second timeline doc, or the second timeline doc didn't waver from the first timeline doc).
How did it help him beat his enemies? He had already won before turning back time didn’t he? I’m curious if you feel the same about regress or reincarnation stories.
Time travel stories are almost all really bad even if it’s the main focus of the story. very few actually make a competent story and/or have a ridiculous amount of plotholes because of how OP time travel is.
And don’t even get started on the ones where it’s a time traveler vs another time traveler…
Honestly, it's thematically even worse because just a little while earlier, he criticized the angels for always resetting the timeline because he felt it was an inhumane thing to do.
Even season 3 will feel dumb, Jeju Island was basically the last decent thing to happen in the whole story. Well, that and him fightingThe Architect of the System was pretty cool too. But that's more like a minor, temporary leap upwards followed by a continued downwards spiral.
That's not what happened at all. It didn't happen in the middle of the fight. He defeated the enemy before the time travel option. Most of the world just happened to be destroyed and then came the option of time travel to try again for a better outcome.
Considering how the anime completely ignores story for action, and that’s exactly what that mechanic does in a videogame, and SL tries to essentially be “videogame: the anime,” that doesn’t surprise me at all.
After Jinwoo time-travels back, he was asked/threatened by the Angels to give the power back, but he refused as he doesn't trust the Angels. The Angels, knowing that Jinwoo won't back down just decided to go out of his way but warned him that calamity will come for him and his love ones because of his power
Jinwoo married Cha Hae In and had son named Suho. Suho inherited his parents overwhelming power, managed to summon the soldiers and even entered the Shadow world even as a baby. After spending some time with the Shadows, they had to lock his powers to protect him
That calamity turns out to be true as Jinwoo became a magnet for entities chasing his power in parallel universes even outside the control of the Angels. To the point that even Jinwoo himself didn't know who opened the portals anymore and it keep on getting dangerous
Meanwhile, in the background, Jinwoo and Haein has been secretly nurturing Suho by exposing him into a dungeon through leveling like how Jinwoo faced Igris and got the Shadow Ability. This allows Suho to slowly break down the seal at the pace he could control his powers. The manhwa ends with Jinwoo and Haein standing up on a mysterious massive Portal and Jinwoo saying goodbye to Haein as he had to go while Suho enters the final Boss room of the Dungeon. This is an open ended ending to open up to the Sequel manhwa Ragnarok. And IIRC Ragnarok also ended with a Cliffhanger too
and he hits on the girl with the smell fetish while she’s still very much underage and he’s probably twice her age post time travel and such. Even if his body was the same age as her it felt creepy to me.
She is not underage, just about 19-20 buuuuuut, IIRC it takes him millennia to accomplish what he needs to post time travel so, thousands of times her age + incredibly powerful (the solo fighting armies of multiple deities simultaneously kind of powerful IIRC).
If you engage with it in any way other than brain = off, then it feels very shady. Kinda like Jacob imprinting on the baby in Twilight but instead of "I can't help it, it's not my choice" it's "It's totally cool guys, her pre-time travel self had a thing for me those thousands of years ago".
No. To be fair he made love and became together in the original timeline wherein they're the same age. So, Jinwoo just basically came back to his Wife 1000 years later.
at that point i would have prefered they made him travel back to prevent eveything from happening and erasing himself, leaving his past self as he was before, giving up his own future for the world to not be that shit XD
I liked it
the entire point washe gave up alll of his glory and fame to try and stop catastrophy. its not bad. Defiinitly MC wants it all energy but its not bad
I didn't hate it tbh, I mean he keeps all his cool power and is hinted that there is still a connection with a lot of main characters so it's not so bad. A series that did the same thing but invalidated everything that has happened and is truly 100% bullshit is (spoiler) ------------>Dr. Stone
[Oshi no Ko spoilers] Part of the problem with the ending is that they never even address "that scene". You'd think something like that would come up in future, but nope! Never mentioned again! Fucking Aka, man...
Without spoilers, it actively undoes most of the character development and world building of the series, utterly assassinates and/or rewrites multiple characters, and is so rushed and phoned in that even if the plot had been good it would still be an insult to the readers.
Basically the universe gets reset a couple times while Jin-woo gets stronger each loop until he is strong enough to beat the villain. Each loop he does everything the same only keeping his stats and memories. Also he uses the loops to save people that died aince the start
I think it was just one loop...like he defeats the final boss and then resets the world and then kills all the bad guys in time domain or some shit where time flows slower than outside (convenient for him)and after killing he returns to live naturally
what happened is he spent like thousands of years killing all the monarchs and adding there army to his shadow army, after he has finally defeated them all.
the timeline is reset but without the existence of said monarchs, and jinwoo who is now a god makes an avatar of himself to live in the new timeline. the jinwoo we see at the end is a avatar and the real jinwoo is his astral form that can be shaped how he wishes.
in the sequel jinwoo i currebtly defending this timeline against the angels who slayed god, he is fighting against all of them at once solo, while his son is dealing with a fragment that slipped through
And you're telling me the original author plans on making a "proper sequel" to the original story? How the fuck do you advance the plot when your protagonist is quite literally god!?
jinwoo is no longer the protagonist he is fighting against the other gods that are trying to take over his universe out in space, literally soloing hundreds of them.
his son is on earth fighting against one of the fragments of these gods, the fragment currently has not regained its full strength but when it does it plans on attacking jinwoo from both sides from in and out. so his son is the one handling the fragment.
remember that in the manwha we learned about the outer gods and how the rulers were there rivals in some way.
in the sequal the outer gods appear because he rulers fell so they felt like it was free game but jinwoo who is now the new ruler of the universe is fighting against them
Uh huh... Yeah, this series is definitely created for power scaling. None of that made any sense and there's no way you can make a compelling story out of that.
Sequels actually great honestly. They make it a huge point that his son is NOT him and won’t ever be him. So his son’s journey is about trusting others, making allies, and just trying to gain a fraction of his father’s strength so he can fight by his side properly. It’s more focused on character interactions.
Oh... so he just... does a new game+ until he's strong enough to beat the final boss? Which isn't really how it works in New game+ the enemies should get stronger
You're forgetting Last reset he wipes out the whole thing about hunters. He killed all the other monarchs etc and so the power was never put into earth. No hunters or gates. Just the earth being normal. Except him. He's still got all his powers.
Also, when we start the story it has already been looped countless times until the architect found him. So our first foray isn't even the first loop of the destruction of earth
Jinah, Baek, Jongin Cho, Antres, Thomas Andre, Madam Selner, Cha Hae In, The GOAT Chairman Go. Seo Jiwoo is my favourite side character (the berserker from Kargalan's dungeon).
I never understand the whole "ok prove its good by naming characters", as if someone couldnt just google the names. And then ppl say "you just googled it" like they wanna have their cake and eat it too.
But the names are mostly Korean while the Shadows names are not. Westerners have more trouble remembering Korean names because of their structure, that's all. It doesn't say anything about the quality of the story.
Basically there is a war going on between two groups, Rulers and Monarchs. All the A & S class hunters are basically sleeper cells for Rulers. The gates are so that the ambient mana levels are high enough for the actual war to happen. Shadow Monarch defects and helps the rulers but gets killed. We have seen 2 other monarchs, one of which was the ice elf king that Chin-Guy could not revive. All the quests are so that Chin-Guy is strong enough to completely inherit the Shadow Monarchcs powers
Ok, with that out of the way.
Chin-Guy is strong enough at i think lvl 200. He gets the entire army of the previous Shadow Monarch, like 200 times bigger than his current army. And he... Like resets time over and over again. Keeping his stars from the previous loop all the while gaining the stats again. Until he defeats the monarchs on his own. So now, he is OP, gates never came and he lives happily ever after with sniffer girl. Becomes a police officer, i think.
also regularly invades his son's dreams to see if he is strong enough to be next Shadow Monarch
Not quite true. The Monarchs are still in war with Sung after the Ending, his now-wife still has her powers from her past life. Adding that he only reset the world one time, he didn’t let anyone down after getting the Shadow Monarch’s true powers, one thing to make note is that all Monarch got very similar power-scaling as the Shadow Monarch, the only difference is that they cannot enter Earth’s space within decreasing their powers, which is the reason a human was chosen.
Bro what? The shadow monarch joined the monarchs after the rules betrayed their god. He didn’t join in the betrayal. He then realised how pointless the endless war was so he helped the rulers again. How do you get the plot so wrong
Solo levelings story is already so mid, I can’t believe the ending one upped it entirely, everything I’ve read about it is so bad it’s crazy. But I guess it’s not really surprising.
Nah I promise you that SL anime fans will call that shit peak because the fights will be animation crack. They already defend the story despite it being ass already.
When you just elevate it so far beyond expectation its over
I don't get why people are shitting on it. It's not hard to understand the overall story sure it's simple but I honestly don't think it's that bad.he goes back in time because he wants to make it so nobody has to die because of the gates and all that stuff honestly pretty selfless of him
If you say so I find it to be a major overreaction. you can say that it makes the story pointless and such or whatever but I'll choose to believe this is the best ending for humanity as a whole. Nobody is dead from the gate. The whole world is fine and although new threats emerged in the sequel sung had no way of ever knowing for all he knew this was what was needed.
Yeah, I find it a massive overreaction as well. The fight against Antares practically destroyed humanity. There was no way he was just going to leave that alone.
Yeah like Half of Canada got wiped out probably even more cities unless your a selfish dick who gets off on the fame of ending it all i believe this is the responsible choice to make
People really like to shit on something for no reason whatsoever. Nobody ever said the story is good. It's a fun anime with cool fights and animation, don't like it, don't watch it
So you watch sports games for the story? You look up at fireworks at new years eve for the story? You listen to music for the story? Or dance competitions? Not everything has to have a good story to be entertaining
Idc about the chin man what happend in the end?
Spoiler Alert:
He time-travels to before the plot started, essentially erasing the story—however that may be—and started a new game+ offscreen
Out of all the things SL has going on for it, this is something its Fandom have actively agreed upon hating.
My honest reaction was:
"Really? Thats it?"
I guess he's letting all the bad shit that happens, happen again? That and it being a rather lackluster time loop ending.
Spellforce did it waaaaay better IMO. Spoilers for the whole plot:
Rohen, the man you've been trying to save from an ambush, turns out to be the very same big bad that kills him. How? Well, Rohen hands you the McGuffin the big bad wants, and tells you to find some specific artifacts, this is so in the end of the story the big bad can take them from you, because the big bad IS Rohen... but YOUNG. He takes your stuff, travels back to the past, realizes it was all bullshit and then the story begins anew. Rohen sacrifices himself and uses you to ensure this time loop keeps happening.
not really, iirc he goes back to the beginning in order to get rid of the monarchs (main antagonists) which results in the world remaining normal, so no gates or hunters
Oh, that's neat.
I mean, in the end. He loses everything. Everyone else just dies to big bad boss. I don't remember was there someone or something that gave him option to travel back in time before everyone dies and he can live happily.
The earth "gods" that like gave power to the blonde American guy had been reseting with like the holy grail. They had one reset left or something but they said this was the best ending so far? Anyways he still decides to reset and fight the monarchs in between dimensions before they get a chance to reach earth and so the world never gets invaded. The gods are like woew he's so cool he didnt want any of the glory or fame if it means saving everyone, he's so awesome and cool and the best monarch and so strong and his dick is so massive. IIRC
I don't remember a specific indication of how many resets were left, just that the grail was accumulating damage and that they didn't think they could get another ending this good before it broke.
Yeah maybe it was just like it "could" only reset one more time before it broke but wasn't a certainty, I just remember there was an excuse as to why they couldn't just keep doing it forever. Still dumb as hell and a huge ass pull
And then Ragnarok happened. And messed everything up.
I prefer the way it was used in Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint.
Spoiler ahead, but still keeping it light it's a perfectly closed loop that was clearly decided from the start, plenty of hints looking back that you simply wouldn't be able to piece together until you knew
What sort of hints?
Mostly stuff Han Sooyoung says to him when he faces off against her in the false prophet arc.
It can read as the ramblings of the losing villain about how unexpectedly strong the MC is, but, bigger spoiler ahead
she was absolutely certain that he was the author, that there's no way he'd have been that interested in the story if it wasn't his own, and while she's wrong about him being the author of 3 ways of survival, the way she phrases it takes a completely different meaning when you know she's talking to the oldest dream
Huh, I totally missed that.
Didn't expect to see Spellforce lore here. I don't think you need to hide the ending under a spoiler, it's a 22 year old game.
It was so can murk the monarchs before they can fuck up the earth.
Which would've been awesome to see in like a sequel not named Solo Leveling, since the Leveling part is just gone at that point and pointless.
Maybe Solo Aura Farming or some shit
He went back exactly to prevent all the bad shit from happening. No gates, no hunters, no monsters. Earth goes on normally, while he fights the sovereigns in another dimension. And no time loop, just a one time time reversal. Don't know about Ragnarok tho, I ain't reading that
well the old and new plotlines are kinda merging in the sequel manga so u can read that.
Mid manhwa mid anime mid ending.
I mean it's perfectly in character.
He always valued family above all and was just presented with the perfect way to protect them.
That happens all the while he still keeps his op powers with the huge army he inherits from the last shadow monarch
It's a good set up for the sequel at least though
Edit: I don't care about the anime so animators getting exhausted means nothing to me. So far, I'm enjoying the sequel manwha more than the original and I liked the original
Is the sequel actually good? I couldn't bring myself to be remotely interested in it
I like it. It's less of a straight power fantasy, the pacing is good, it expands on the lore and handles issues readers might have noticed when the first series finished, the fights feel less like you know the MC is always going to win (to me at least), and it takes the same essential powers but changes them in a way that makes sense for a different kind of fighter
Edit: also there's a dog
It's can honestly probably be considered better written than the original if you look at it overall. It includes the side characters a lot more. Tho the problem is that it's still not that amazing but it also isn't as good in the power fantasy aspect which is what made solo leveling enjoyable despite it being bad in every other aspect.
Wish it died tbh, I want that animation somewhere else
I don't even watch anime so idc.
Not how that works.
It literally is how it works, you have a limited pool of top tier sakuga animators, so having them utilized on as hit project diminishes chances they end up working on valuable stuff.
Let me rephrase that, you can't get rid of one show and expect your show to be the one that they upgrade. That's what I meant.
I think their point was that literally any other show would be an upgrade because solo levelling’s story is absolutely horrendous
Really any other show. We both know this stuff way more s sloppy than solo they would absolutely get baller animation before a good one.
The animation doesnt get transplanted somewhere else bro
Yeah, who wouda thunk it? Putting time travel in a story where it was never present before would be a stupid idea. Shocked, shocked I say!
But the storytelling was so good until then! Surely they can pull it off! /s
Ok to be fair it's not the existence of time travel that's the problem. It's the use. It means that nothing that happened matters, all the sacrifices were pointless, no one even knows. All except for one guy who knows everything and had access to powers from that other reality.
Time travel can be added and done fine. Except when it erases the entire story and all the characters until that point.
When it's used as an asspull solution, it makes everything fall apart.
How is it an asspull? Didn’t they explain the situation pretty thoroughly? Also it’s in the name right? Solo Leveling. I alone level up.
Because it's still completely out of left field compared the entire rest of the series, not to mention, as other comments have said, it just invalidates the entire series by just undoing everything that happened.
I found it pretty easy to make the connection. I mean this is a war between beings capable of dimension hoping. Time travel should not be too far from the realm of possibilities. I don’t feel it invalidates anything because the main character still experiences everything. He still struggled (what little bit he did at first). What would be a valid ending? Sung becoming a God?
Him defeating his enemies with existing means instead of being handed an ex machina solution that not only helps him beat his enemies, but also fixes every single other problem that has happened in the entire series.
And he DID basically become a god at the end, tf are you talking about?
Not to mention readers care both about the main character and the world around them, and in that world are other characters, who while aren't followed as closely are still characters and important. Half the reason there was time travel was to save those characters. But in doing so those same characters we learned about, much worse than death, they were completely erased. They are no longer the same, and the world is no longer the same. Only the main character remains and that makes a hollow story.
The only good time to have time travel is when you keep the limits set. For me it's never going back to before we meet the character(and have known them awhile) and then change their future. Or you make it clear that events are set, then the character doesn't change but the interpretation does( for example the first(and only first) back to the future movie, Doc got shot, that was set, but what was altered is him having a bullet proof vest. Saved the character without making him someone else(either because he was always the second timeline doc, or the second timeline doc didn't waver from the first timeline doc).
How did it help him beat his enemies? He had already won before turning back time didn’t he? I’m curious if you feel the same about regress or reincarnation stories.
That's the power fantasy talking.
Time travel stories are almost all really bad even if it’s the main focus of the story. very few actually make a competent story and/or have a ridiculous amount of plotholes because of how OP time travel is.
And don’t even get started on the ones where it’s a time traveler vs another time traveler…
OPM agrees
Honestly, it's thematically even worse because just a little while earlier, he criticized the angels for always resetting the timeline because he felt it was an inhumane thing to do.
It's so sudden too.
What'll be the final season, 4, is gonna feel incredibly rushed and riddled with exposition dumps, if they don't restructure it.
Even season 3 will feel dumb, Jeju Island was basically the last decent thing to happen in the whole story. Well, that and him fightingThe Architect of the System was pretty cool too. But that's more like a minor, temporary leap upwards followed by a continued downwards spiral.
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i dont know about that, the author had to end it due to the artist health getting really bad
So...basically
Troll Hunters ending ALL over again?
Exactly what I thought
I felt so disgusted with that ending I genuinely want to blip my time of Reading it
The worst thing is, it kinda happens out of nowhere.
A big fight, he is loosing, shit gets serious, timetravel! Whaaaaat?
Oh so he does loose a fight for once?
It was a long time ago i read it. I think it looks like the other guy is stronger, and then poof, timetravel.
Imagine the ant king landing a few good hits, and then some obscure scene starts at a diner and you cant put the dots together.
Amazing.
I'm never reading another Power fantasy book ever again.
That's not what happened at all. It didn't happen in the middle of the fight. He defeated the enemy before the time travel option. Most of the world just happened to be destroyed and then came the option of time travel to try again for a better outcome.
Uh honestly with how bland the characters and world are, how is that not a net positive
Considering how the anime completely ignores story for action, and that’s exactly what that mechanic does in a videogame, and SL tries to essentially be “videogame: the anime,” that doesn’t surprise me at all.
That's not even the ending tho
After Jinwoo time-travels back, he was asked/threatened by the Angels to give the power back, but he refused as he doesn't trust the Angels. The Angels, knowing that Jinwoo won't back down just decided to go out of his way but warned him that calamity will come for him and his love ones because of his power
Jinwoo married Cha Hae In and had son named Suho. Suho inherited his parents overwhelming power, managed to summon the soldiers and even entered the Shadow world even as a baby. After spending some time with the Shadows, they had to lock his powers to protect him
That calamity turns out to be true as Jinwoo became a magnet for entities chasing his power in parallel universes even outside the control of the Angels. To the point that even Jinwoo himself didn't know who opened the portals anymore and it keep on getting dangerous
Meanwhile, in the background, Jinwoo and Haein has been secretly nurturing Suho by exposing him into a dungeon through leveling like how Jinwoo faced Igris and got the Shadow Ability. This allows Suho to slowly break down the seal at the pace he could control his powers. The manhwa ends with Jinwoo and Haein standing up on a mysterious massive Portal and Jinwoo saying goodbye to Haein as he had to go while Suho enters the final Boss room of the Dungeon. This is an open ended ending to open up to the Sequel manhwa Ragnarok. And IIRC Ragnarok also ended with a Cliffhanger too
and to top it all off, both stories are meant to be the prologue as per the author. Lol
and he hits on the girl with the smell fetish while she’s still very much underage and he’s probably twice her age post time travel and such. Even if his body was the same age as her it felt creepy to me.
She is not underage, just about 19-20 buuuuuut, IIRC it takes him millennia to accomplish what he needs to post time travel so, thousands of times her age + incredibly powerful (the solo fighting armies of multiple deities simultaneously kind of powerful IIRC). If you engage with it in any way other than brain = off, then it feels very shady. Kinda like Jacob imprinting on the baby in Twilight but instead of "I can't help it, it's not my choice" it's "It's totally cool guys, her pre-time travel self had a thing for me those thousands of years ago".
What is IIRC
It means "if I recall correctly".
Tbf, if he is already a thousand yrs. Old in mind then you're basically saying he doesn't deserve love because there's no one the same age as him
Atleast with Cha, he is already in love(if it truly is) and had a relationship with her before
No. To be fair he made love and became together in the original timeline wherein they're the same age. So, Jinwoo just basically came back to his Wife 1000 years later.
Exactly, this is like the Meliodas situation but that one is much harder to defend
TBH I thought it was going to be something incestuous.
at that point i would have prefered they made him travel back to prevent eveything from happening and erasing himself, leaving his past self as he was before, giving up his own future for the world to not be that shit XD
I liked it
the entire point washe gave up alll of his glory and fame to try and stop catastrophy. its not bad. Defiinitly MC wants it all energy but its not bad
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That came out of nowhere too, I was just looking at that fast paced ending with a look of "whaat?"
The final enemy didn't even feel like a boss
Honestly it was ruined way before that by the reveal that he never actually had a class choice.
But that’s the good ending, no one dies from the portals opening and everyone lives happily ever after right?
I didn't hate it tbh, I mean he keeps all his cool power and is hinted that there is still a connection with a lot of main characters so it's not so bad. A series that did the same thing but invalidated everything that has happened and is truly 100% bullshit is (spoiler) ------------>Dr. Stone
Broooo, that's so shit.
Modern day literary quackery is riddled with either time travel or multiverse.
so basically throwing it all out and started again? that’s ass
Me, a former Oshi no Ko fan: Wanna trade?
Seriously though, 2024 was a terrible year for manga endings.
Every year is a terrible year for manga endings lol
You're not wrong, but I really feel like '24 was a standout shitty year. I fully admit to a personal bias, though.
Jitsu wa Watashi wa fans and HoriMiya fans in our little corners: Brother, speak for yourself!… 🤣🤣🤣
Wait, Jitsu wa Watashi wa ended? Damn I feel old. Was the ending good?
(Chef’s kiss) UTSUKUSHII~~!!!
Good to hear
I'll be honest I lost interest in Oshi No Ko the second they had that scene in the Manga
[Oshi no Ko spoilers] Part of the problem with the ending is that they never even address "that scene". You'd think something like that would come up in future, but nope! Never mentioned again! Fucking Aka, man...
Wait what scene? There was a lot of weird shit in Oshi no Ko.
Is oshi no no that bad? I loved the anime
Without spoilers, it actively undoes most of the character development and world building of the series, utterly assassinates and/or rewrites multiple characters, and is so rushed and phoned in that even if the plot had been good it would still be an insult to the readers.
Yes.
naww it will be fine
Tell me, I wanna know
Basically the universe gets reset a couple times while Jin-woo gets stronger each loop until he is strong enough to beat the villain. Each loop he does everything the same only keeping his stats and memories. Also he uses the loops to save people that died aince the start
Then there is a sequal that follows Jin-woo's son
Oh dear, they made solo beveling?
Solo Leveling Ragnarok
Solo Leveling Z
Its actually decent and how crazy that might seem actually focuses on developing the side characters 😭
Bolo bevelling: next generations
Bung jin-woo
Unless its different in the novel, he only has one loop. Also the Monarchs do keep their memories so in a way they are getting stronger
I think it was just one loop...like he defeats the final boss and then resets the world and then kills all the bad guys in time domain or some shit where time flows slower than outside (convenient for him)and after killing he returns to live naturally
It was one loop reset for him, multiple for the monarchs and rulers.
It might have been only 1 loop. It has been a couple of years since I read it. I might be confusing the ending with Mashel
this is wrong.
what happened is he spent like thousands of years killing all the monarchs and adding there army to his shadow army, after he has finally defeated them all.
the timeline is reset but without the existence of said monarchs, and jinwoo who is now a god makes an avatar of himself to live in the new timeline. the jinwoo we see at the end is a avatar and the real jinwoo is his astral form that can be shaped how he wishes.
in the sequel jinwoo i currebtly defending this timeline against the angels who slayed god, he is fighting against all of them at once solo, while his son is dealing with a fragment that slipped through
And you're telling me the original author plans on making a "proper sequel" to the original story? How the fuck do you advance the plot when your protagonist is quite literally god!?
jinwoo is no longer the protagonist he is fighting against the other gods that are trying to take over his universe out in space, literally soloing hundreds of them.
his son is on earth fighting against one of the fragments of these gods, the fragment currently has not regained its full strength but when it does it plans on attacking jinwoo from both sides from in and out. so his son is the one handling the fragment.
remember that in the manwha we learned about the outer gods and how the rulers were there rivals in some way.
in the sequal the outer gods appear because he rulers fell so they felt like it was free game but jinwoo who is now the new ruler of the universe is fighting against them
Uh huh... Yeah, this series is definitely created for power scaling. None of that made any sense and there's no way you can make a compelling story out of that.
ok maybe i should have said this.
jinwoo is removed from the story because he is too strong
his son is the new mc,
at the moment the fragment of god his son is fighting against would be at the teir of an S or a little above S rank but nowhere near monarch level.
so we are watching both his son and the outergod get stronger througout the series like jinwoo did back then
They are probably going to reintroduse him when everyone is strong enough to stand on his level
Sequels actually great honestly. They make it a huge point that his son is NOT him and won’t ever be him. So his son’s journey is about trusting others, making allies, and just trying to gain a fraction of his father’s strength so he can fight by his side properly. It’s more focused on character interactions.
Oh... so he just... does a new game+ until he's strong enough to beat the final boss? Which isn't really how it works in New game+ the enemies should get stronger
Should you be able to start a new game+ only when you have beaten the final boss anyways? Seems like the author doesn't know how new game+ modes work.
Yeah, kinda weird...
Whose the true main villain?
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You're forgetting Last reset he wipes out the whole thing about hunters. He killed all the other monarchs etc and so the power was never put into earth. No hunters or gates. Just the earth being normal. Except him. He's still got all his powers.
Also, when we start the story it has already been looped countless times until the architect found him. So our first foray isn't even the first loop of the destruction of earth
Oh my god Orsted in Mushoku Tensei
Bro, isn't it final fantasy 1 plot?
hey, it's not like the other characters had any relevance to the plot anyways
Solo leveling fans when you ask them to name more than 5 characters from their series.
I read up to the beginning of the ant arc and I can’t remember what his little sister’s name is
I feel this happens with everything I read or watch now.
Me: "Wow what a great book with great characters"
other: "Who was in in"
"Couldn't tell ya, but I did like when the two sword guy and his brother with the spear made up in the end"
To be fair. Most mangas have western-ize very hyped Mangas. Solo Leveling became popular everywhere before it was good in South Korea.
For example Monkey D Rufi was Americanized. When One piece came to America
Jinah, Baek, Jongin Cho, Antres, Thomas Andre, Madam Selner, Cha Hae In, The GOAT Chairman Go. Seo Jiwoo is my favourite side character (the berserker from Kargalan's dungeon).
I never understand the whole "ok prove its good by naming characters", as if someone couldnt just google the names. And then ppl say "you just googled it" like they wanna have their cake and eat it too.
But the names are mostly Korean while the Shadows names are not. Westerners have more trouble remembering Korean names because of their structure, that's all. It doesn't say anything about the quality of the story.
Jinah. Easy.
my man loked into the abrigated series thas cheating xd
I actually just finished it again but its Jin-ah for the proper spelling. The guild and later the company is Ahjin, because its her name backwards.
Bruh i read the entire series and cant name anyone who isnt jinwoo, sister, or rhe blonde gurl he likes
Basically there is a war going on between two groups, Rulers and Monarchs. All the A & S class hunters are basically sleeper cells for Rulers. The gates are so that the ambient mana levels are high enough for the actual war to happen. Shadow Monarch defects and helps the rulers but gets killed. We have seen 2 other monarchs, one of which was the ice elf king that Chin-Guy could not revive. All the quests are so that Chin-Guy is strong enough to completely inherit the Shadow Monarchcs powers
Ok, with that out of the way.
Chin-Guy is strong enough at i think lvl 200. He gets the entire army of the previous Shadow Monarch, like 200 times bigger than his current army. And he... Like resets time over and over again. Keeping his stars from the previous loop all the while gaining the stats again. Until he defeats the monarchs on his own. So now, he is OP, gates never came and he lives happily ever after with sniffer girl. Becomes a police officer, i think.
also regularly invades his son's dreams to see if he is strong enough to be next Shadow Monarch
{Solo Levelling-Full; if you care.}
Quick correction, he only resets time once, it's explicitly stated that the thingamajig will break after that one use
Yeah that's every I thought too. But some guy here said that it was multiple times.
It's been a while since i read the manhwa.
Time has been reset multiple times before the story started but Jinwoo himself only resets it once
I personally hate spoilers, but for this anime in specific. No one has a personality to begin with, so thank you for this.
Not quite true. The Monarchs are still in war with Sung after the Ending, his now-wife still has her powers from her past life. Adding that he only reset the world one time, he didn’t let anyone down after getting the Shadow Monarch’s true powers, one thing to make note is that all Monarch got very similar power-scaling as the Shadow Monarch, the only difference is that they cannot enter Earth’s space within decreasing their powers, which is the reason a human was chosen.
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Bro what? The shadow monarch joined the monarchs after the rules betrayed their god. He didn’t join in the betrayal. He then realised how pointless the endless war was so he helped the rulers again. How do you get the plot so wrong
The SM did not want to resurrected, he wanted a human body
Now do they do the web novel or webcomic ending? That is the question
can’t wait for jjk too
Solo levelings story is already so mid, I can’t believe the ending one upped it entirely, everything I’ve read about it is so bad it’s crazy. But I guess it’s not really surprising.
cheap writing lol. i hate stuff like resetting the world, time travel, parallel universe. its just lazy. actions have consequences
I'm fine with time Travel and Parallel Universes if it's written well like Re-Zero Or Any Type Of Anime.
Nah I promise you that SL anime fans will call that shit peak because the fights will be animation crack. They already defend the story despite it being ass already.
When you just elevate it so far beyond expectation its over
Maybe because author died I think
Pretty sure it's the artist that passed away. The original author is still around and I mean no disrespect to the artist.
I read the novel and I’m now guessing it’s different from the manhwa ending?
Ok part of the problem was a change in development team. After the death it kinda got... convoluted
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Plot is flat af
I don't get why people are shitting on it. It's not hard to understand the overall story sure it's simple but I honestly don't think it's that bad.he goes back in time because he wants to make it so nobody has to die because of the gates and all that stuff honestly pretty selfless of him
Not hard to understand doesn’t mean it’s good.
Dora the explorer isn’t hard to understand but I don’t see anyone trying to claim it’s a phenomenonal show for adults to watch.
And that's fine your allowed to think it's not good just don't pretend as if the ending is horrid garbage
Bro, SL ending is perfect example of type of ending that guides for writers advice to avoid, because it's objectively bad writing.
If you say so I find it to be a major overreaction. you can say that it makes the story pointless and such or whatever but I'll choose to believe this is the best ending for humanity as a whole. Nobody is dead from the gate. The whole world is fine and although new threats emerged in the sequel sung had no way of ever knowing for all he knew this was what was needed.
Yeah, I find it a massive overreaction as well. The fight against Antares practically destroyed humanity. There was no way he was just going to leave that alone.
Yeah like Half of Canada got wiped out probably even more cities unless your a selfish dick who gets off on the fame of ending it all i believe this is the responsible choice to make
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People really like to shit on something for no reason whatsoever. Nobody ever said the story is good. It's a fun anime with cool fights and animation, don't like it, don't watch it
The story being shit is a perfectly valid reason to shit on something, isn’t that like 90% of the reason why you watch a show?
If it’s just fights and animation that matters, why even care about which guy is fighting who.
So you watch sports games for the story? You look up at fireworks at new years eve for the story? You listen to music for the story? Or dance competitions? Not everything has to have a good story to be entertaining
Yes? The players narratives are a huge deal for fans.
That's exactly what I'm talking about, for some people that might sound insane, but it's ok to enjoy things differently than others do
Such a rage bait… The ending makes 100% sense and explains everything in the story and why it happened.
Not only is this scene delivered perfectly, it fits so many memes. Peak cinema