If he went missing two weeks ago, I’d say he could still be alive but the passage of time just doesn’t lend itself to Andrew still being alive, not unless you go down a really contrived, convoluted road. I think he probably died on the day of his disappearance and if so, I hope it was quick and painless. With no evidence to the contrary, there is always a slim chance he is still alive, but again, you have to tell an unlikely tale for that to be the case. Unless Andrew was scared of someone in his own family (and there’s never been indication of anything other than a stable and loving home) then him being alive and making no contact at all makes no sense at this point.
The likelihood that he is still alive is low, he is a well-known case and if he was alive living in the UK someone would spot him sooner or later. I believe he probably died in the hands of someone he naively trusted. this case is just so baffling... so little information to go off of and the information that was valuable and existed for a short time was not retrieved on time.
I can see a kid his age boasting to someone about skipping school to be there, that even his parents don’t know he’s in London. Someone saw an opportunity.
As more years pass with no word from Andrew or sightings of him it becomes more likely that he passed away. I’m not saying it isn’t possible that he is still alive just unlikely. I would say he either committed suicide or died by misadventure.
It is fairly easy finding an abandoned building is just one example off the top of my head. Also do you know how many people you pass by in busy cities and don’t even give a second thought to.
Don’t know for certain but I was just replying to the person that, going to an abandoned building is just one example of how one can commit suicide in a busy major metropolitan area and nobody see anything.
I think Andrew hadn’t really planned his trip to London - and don’t buy into the grooming theory . I think he was lured into danger when he arrived somehow and unfortunately this lead to his death - maybe on someone’s property or land . Someone ,somewhere has unfortunately got away with murder .
The most likely eventuality given the evidence. There is a very long and unpleasant history of predators looking for victims at/near transport hubs in central London.
Because he’s been missing for 18 years now. When he went missing, he was a 14 year old with £200 in cash and no passport on his person.
The likelihood of him being able to continue living undetected for that period of time in the UK is very low. The ability of someone his age with a small amount of cash to forge a new identity is very low.
The chances of him being held hostage for 18 years is also low. A paedophile who was interested in him at 14 is not going to be interested in him at 32. 18 years is a long time to conceal another person. The chance of them being found, someone tipping off authorities, escaping or needing medical care in that time is high. Two cases of long term missing people (Natasha Ryan and the Josef Fritzl case) ended up with the concealed person being found.
I think he went to London with the intent to be home before his parents.
Regarding the one-way train ticket, I alternate between thinking someone he trusted suggested they meet in London and misled Andrew into thinking he would be driven home OR Andrew planned a secret solo outing and wanted to buy the train ticket and get on the train as soon as possible before being seen. In his haste, he chose one-way thinking it was the fastest option to receive the ticket. He could buy a return ticket when he was ready to return.
Once in London, he either met the person who lured him there under false pretenses and was harmed fatally OR he was harmed fatally by a random stranger who identified him as an easy mark. Perhaps a robbery gone wrong, I don't know.
I don't believe he traveled to London with the intent of taking his life or starting a new life. I believe he was going there to do something specific with the intent to be home before his parents.
It’s highly unlikely that a 14 year old can go missing without a trace for 18 years. He definitely would’ve given his parents an update to stop them worrying if it was a runaway. I 100% believe that he had gone to London expecting to come home and ran into someone with malicious intentions there or was groomed in person by someone he thought he could trust
I think he was killed not long after he got to London. I believe Andrew was being groomed by someone local to him in Doncaster who suggested a day out/ a treat in London and persuaded him to break his attendance record. Possibly killed by a proxy so his groomer could keep their alibi. I think the grooming had been going on a while and Andrew had begun to age out of the groomers preferences and/or was deemed a risk.
I don’t think a boy of his age would be able to survive under the radar on his own for this long. No matter how good his school grades were.
I think if someone was keeping him captive, they would deem it too much of a risk, with the campaign looking for him and his distinguishing features (ear).
If he wasn’t being held captive, and just wanted to live under the radar alone, I don’t think (based on what his parents have said about him) Andrew would’ve let his parents go all these years without any contact.
I think the person had access to land where Andrew could be buried undisturbed. Similar to the main Lee Boxell theory.
That's the most likely explanation. I agree. This is also why Andrew withdrew the 200 pounds. Maybe was planning to stay over the weekend and maybe he didn't add the extra 50p for a return ticket because maybe the person who met in London promised to return him home otherwise.
this is my exact theory. i think someone was grooming him who was close to the family, a family member he saw frequently, or a friend of his dad. i believe there was an active pedophile in doncaster around the time that A disappeared that was arrested in 2023, someone found him and did a lot of research. (he worked in a local music shop for guitars, music cds etc).
it’s very convincing that he was groomed not online but in person. he could’ve been into music, like A, and told him there was a music gig, hence the slipknot shirt, and convinced him that much he used his money he saved to buy an xbox for it. i’m not sure if anybody has looked into all the music gigs or just general gigs/ events that were on for 14+ when he disappeared but might’ve already done so.
That's actually a very good point. I wonder if he was told by someone he trusted that there was a secret gig going on in London? Everyone keeps looking at the bands who were actually playing that night, but that might be a red herring.
I was in my mid-twenties with a child when MySpace launched, and my best friend and I used to laugh over the number of guys who used to message us pretending to be music journalists, photographers or otherwise connected to the bands we had on our profile. It was so see through it was silly, but we were adults. If Andrew had met someone locally who implied that he could get him into a secret gig, and potentially backstage afterwards, I could definitely see the appeal
Secret gigs were a huge thing in the early 2000's. My nephew spent the night in London once, and when he came back from dinner the Foo Fighters were playing on a pontoon on the canal outside his window.
secret gigs were definitely a huge thing. i wasn’t born until 2008, but hearing all my uncles stories (16 in 2007), he went to all sorts of gigs and was big on music back then. A could’ve searched about it but may not of came up because of it being a secret gig, and getting invited to one of them in the early 2000s was like VIP
The thing is, it would give someone a perfect excuse to swear him to secrecy, too - "you can't tell anyone, I shouldn't even be telling you but I know you're a massive fan and I'd hate you to miss out". It's a short hop from there to "meet me in London, I can't take you there because [insert reason here, could be anything] but I'll bring you home". Andrew going down by train, alone, could be for the simple reason that whoever it was didn't want to risk being seen with him in Doncaster.
and living 1h and 30m away from king’s cross is a big stretch for a 14 yo. i wouldn’t of gone further than the next town at that age and only went with friends. whoever it was, he clearly trusted enough to go alone on a big train journey and planned it when his parents weren’t going to be home, how much money etc. he didn’t bring his psp charger either which makes me think he wasn’t going to be able to charge it anywhere he went in london, and possibly in the “journey back” 😢
I was going to London at 14, but I was not the sort of teenager you dream of having. 🙃
I do wonder if he was moody and withdrawn because he wasn't comfortable with being dishonest with his parents, but the pull of whatever was being promised was too much to turn down.
I agree with you on the charger, and if he was going down for a 'secret gig' the money was likely for merch.
the rabbit hole is so deep for me that i can’t believe any other theory. he had never skipped school before, and the weeks leading up to his disappearance he stopped talking to his school friends and seemed quiet and withdrawn which was not normal for A’s behaviour. I do believe he was lured down to london and was shortly picked up after the sighting in pizza hut. it’s not strange to me that there were no other sightings after but i don’t understand how they thought it was A’s dad. i’ve never heard about that theory and it’s very clear to tell. i don’t think he was “suicidal” either. his family life seemed very structured for somebody at 14 in 2007. however, i have an eerie sense about A’s fathers friends back then. It’s a shame we may never find out. 😞
I've never believed anything other than that he was groomed in some way, but the possibility of it being related to a lie about a secret gig or something had never occurred to me, which in retrospect is really stupid. All of the Myspace messages I mentioned were "I can get you tickets to X gig, X band are doing a secret gig, do you want to go to X award show, X band are recording in London, do you want to meet them, I'm doing a photoshoot with X band, you should come down...but don't tell anyone or I'll get sacked because nobody is supposed to know" (or some variation on that). My best mate was stringing along a guy pretending to be a photographer for weeks at one point. I think it hadn't occurred to me before because what they were doing was really obvious, but I was an adult. If I was 14 and thought I was going to meet one of my heroes, things might have been different.
i don’t think A actually had access to the internet but the family computer and the kept logs on it. when police checked the computer history none of it was weird searches leading up to his disappearance. i don’t think he had a Myspace account which is why i believe the groomer could’ve thought he was easy to groom.
I've banged on about this at length here and elsewhere, but it's entirely possible that he had access to the Internet if someone bought him a burner phone. If he had access to another mobile, it would explain why he wasn't bothered about his phone being broken.
He had two phones, both lost in quick succession prior to his disappearance. I always thought he secretly kept hold of/swapped sims in at least one. His dad said he didn’t seem bothered about losing either.
Absolutely. Also as a parent as much as we love our children and think we know them inside out..children do keep secrets. My son went missing off a beach after a beach party. He told me he was staying with a friend and I had checked with said friends parents and all was fine for him to stay. It ended up with those parents knowing at the time that the kids were going to attend a beach party and providing them with alcohol despite them being 16. My son had never been drunk before that and he ended up walking off the beach at night and going missing. Those parents tried to hide it and not contact me for 3 hours after they knew he had walked off the beach after their son phoned them.
The Police were then out searching and my parents. The police thought that he entered the sea and were about to launch the lifeboats and helicopter when he was found asleep on a bench in a military base miles away from the beach. He was so drunk he thought he was walking home. He had been walking for 5 hours.
So even at 16 I thought I knew my son. We were and are close. He was responsible up to that point. He did well at school etc etc he would openly talk to me and it was absolutely something I would have never expected from him to do. It also opened my eyes to other people after the parents didn't contact me straight away having covered for my son.
I think you're right about the burner phone. Also back then you could top up easily from a shop without having to purchase online so no trail.
Yep, shitty internet but still internet. I was about 12 in 2007 and I remember talking to all sorts of weirdos online on a PAYG phone without my parents knowing.
I'm afraid that's not correct. I had a Trium Geo in 2007 (which was already an old phone), which allowed me to access forums, chat sites, text and (limited) picture based web sites. As I've already said, you could pick up these phones on PAYG very cheaply in Superdrug. I could also access Myspace, which if my memory is correct, had a specific address for WAP enabled phones.
My partner had a HTC (don't remember the model) which had better Internet access, wifi and video calling. It was also a touch screen. We were not, by any stretch of the imagination, well off. If it hadn't been for the 3/Superdrug collaboration, we wouldn't have been able to afford me having my own mobile.
The same year, you were able to access the internet and email services through BT phone boxes.
It is 100% a red herring to say that there was no way Andrew could have accessed the internet. There was just no way that it was traceable, which is a very different thing.
What you're saying isn't incorrect, it's just unlikely.
If you had WAP access in 2007, then you're also old enough to realise the massive difference between "having internet on your phone" in 2007 and "having the internet on your phone" nearly 20 years later.
WAP was slow, expensive, user unfriendly, and not geared up to being easy to use for hookups etc.
Bear in mind that many on this sub are people who haven't known anything other than a smartphone.
okay that’s a very interesting point. that also could add onto the theory. as a 14 year old if my phone broke i was very distraught about it however i was 14 in 2022, not 2007. 🥲
In 2007, I had a WAP (wireless access protocol?) phone, which had Internet access. It cost £39.99, I bought it in Superdrug and it could be topped up remotely with a 16 digit code from a voucher which anyone could buy. If you paid for the phone and vouchers in cash, both would have been untraceable.
i doubt they were. 2007 police were horrible. they all quickly accused A’s dad and never really looked past that, interviews as protocol and then pinned it on the dad with no evidence to arrest. by the time the police bothered with the case it was too late to get any proper cctv evidence and it took them a while to get the 2 cctv photos of A in kings X
it could be, but we shouldn’t talk about people who were cleared (bannable offence). i don’t think it was somebody in his family
but rather a family problem, like andrew potentially being LGBT.
The police did a terrible job in the beginning in terms of finding CCTV and pinned the blame on Andrew’s father for a long time. Most CCTV had been overwritten by the time they deigned to check it. It even took them a while to find Andrew on the two pieces of CCTV at Kings X.
Unfortunately back then everyone was concentrating on Madeleine McCann who had gone missing four months prior to Andrew. I think he was seen as “less important” somehow as he was a teenage boy and appeared to be leaving of his own accord. MM’s parents were also a lot richer and could afford more PI’s and private searches etc.
I think that’s a big part of it. Andrew was a nerdy teenager from the north who went to London seemingly of his own volition and then was never seen again
The McCanns were an affluent and good looking young family who’d gone on a relatively lavish holiday abroad with their toddlers, one of which was snatched from their accommodation while left unsupervised. From a media perspective, the McCanns and Madeline’s abduction were way more interesting
did you read about the guy who sexually abused a boy in doncaster in 2007 and a girl in 2013(?) and was found guilty in 2023. i think you should read up it’s on this page. i don’t think andrew killed himself and i definitely don’t think it was a hit or miss and a random coincidence he got murdered on a day out. he declined a return ticket and took all the money out he’d been saving for a new xbox for a year to go to london. there is no way for me to believe he was not lured to london from the information i have read. i do not know if police checked motorway cctv, but i dont even think doncaster police thought it was a grooming issue. they checked his psp and checked with sony when he was last active if he had any chats etc. he had no accounts registered to the psp, which makes me think it was not online grooming, but rather in person. a school teacher, someone from church, family friend, member, anyone. someone knows what happened to A and it’s disturbing nobody will tell imo. if someone came out now they would get half a sentence for taking themself in and a hard slap on the wrist. uk police are shite.
Another detail that makes this theory quite likely to me is that this was literally the first time Andrew had ever missed a day of school, and that seems like something a groomer could have convinced him to do as a way of testing his boundaries and gaining power and control over him, i.e. seeing if they could get away with it, then eventually being emboldened enough to take Andrew's life as a final step.
especially being so far away from his hometown and the groomer might’ve been able to keep checks about the case in doncaster. i have a very eerie feeling about the theory. he had amazing grades and never skipped school. his mum and dad described him as outgoing however, within the weeks leading up to A’s disappearance, they said he seemed withdrawn from school and his social life. it is so very strange but nothing could convince me he was met with random consequences on a very specific planned out day by him. i’m either thinking the groomer who did this had links to london and knew the area around kings cross or, they had a structured plan to act out his fantasies.
That's an excellent point about it being a day out planned by Andrew himself. Yes, what are the chances that a gifted student who had never missed a single day of school suddenly decided to end that streak for a random day out in London (when he had other reasons - his grandparents - to go to London anyway on a different non-school day) and then happened to run into trouble there vs. someone known to him initially convincing him to skip school, luring him to London, and later causing his disappearance?
And obviously this is just pure speculation, but being withdrawn could certainly be a result of getting overly involved with a groomer.
Yes, this theory makes the most sense to me. The question is who in Andrew's life would have done this? Since we know he barely even used the internet, there should be a fairly short list of the people in his immediate face-to-face life who could've been involved.
i will have to read a bit more into his parents interviews etc. on police websites and youtube but what i think i know is they investigated one of andrew’s primary school friends Laura Oxenham who they interviewed. there is little to absolutely no information i could find on A’s parent’s friends being interviewed. it is not publicly available to us i believe. there’s limited information however, i have just read that andrew stopped seeing all of his friends from school and seemed quiet and withdrawn. i have to lean towards grooming. i was groomed and my family could tell just by body language such a withdrawn and being careful what i said in case i slipped up. something definitely sinister happened and personally, i don’t think A is alive, but i will always have hope x
Firstly, the Vicar was friends with Andrew's Dad. Just because the Vicar had a son, doesn't mean he and Andrew were automatically friends. Parents and their friends often try to force their children to be friends, and often this leads to children barely tolerating each other whilst their respective parents meet up.
Secondly...Ian Huntley performed to the press like this.
ahhh. do we know if all of them we interviewed or just him and his children? i don’t know if you seen about the 2 girls that went missing in 2008(?) which was all over the uk news. took them 2 weeks to find them and a local neighbour had kidnapped them and kept them in his basement. they did not survive. but i keep my mind open for new theories.
I recall the posts about the pedophile who was active at the time and lived nearby. Fascinating info. The original poster has since deleted their profile and the posts.
ah. i found another redditer who knows. i was absolutely fascinated by what information he managed to pull out and i believe that info is crucial, potentially.
Yes it was actually incredible info, the best I have seen. I was messaging the person as well, they seemed genuine. No idea why they deleted everything. They said they went to the police.
if i could dm you about the info he had on him and share theories that would be great. i’m big on A’s case recently and i’m autistic so i’ve hyper focused on a lot. my theories are;
1: Andrew ran away —
he had a secret phone and was buying data top-up vouchers and that was why he wasn’t bothered about his prior one breaking. A was having identity/sexuality issues and his family are heavily christian (therefore homosexuality is a sin) therefore, A had access to chatrooms for help with his LGBTQ issues and was groomed by somebody on there. They might have promised him a good life and he could “be who he wanted to be” and was lured to London. either met with bad fate, or is still alive to this day.
1A. Andrew is alive — Leominister police incident September 2008. the station wasn’t open so a man buzzed through the system and said he had information about Andrew Gosden’s case. Police officer arrived, he fled. i believe that was either himself, or somebody who holds crucial information about A and either 1. didn’t want to scare him with his parents or 2. he was a criminal and got nervous about having to give an officer (?)incriminating information. in an unnamed chatroom, a person called Andyroo in 2017 asked somebody for £200 to pay their rent because their boyfriend had left them and they couldn’t pay it, the person asks to send it through the bank and they said they ran away at 14 and don’t have a passport therefore could not make a bank account. the nickname Andyroo was given to A by his parents as a child which is quite crucial information. Andyroo came to the internet for help, and maybe Andrew did too in 2007, which would be one of his patterns.
Just read a summary of Lee Boxell's disappearance and that case has even less concrete information in comparison to Andrew Gosden's disappearance, crazy how there are cases that are even more complex and that have fewer evidence than Andrew's.
I don’t think it was a random encounter because that would mean too many things had to align for it to happen.
What are the odds that on the one day Andrew decides to do such a massive thing that’s completely out of the norm for him, he also happens to come across a random bad person who does something to him?
The odds aren’t zero but I still think it’s more likely that he was groomed or maybe he did choose to end his life.
I just find it strange that if he was going to London to meet someone, there’s no way Andrew or the abductor knew it would take so long to find out where he went or that the police would fail to collect CCTV. The abductor would have been taking a huge risk meeting Andrew in such a heavily surveilled city.
As for the random encounter, it could be that someone spoke to Andrew about Slipknot, based on his T shirt and managed to befriend Andrew. I'd say this would likely be someone a few years older than Andrew, who Andrew would perhaps relate to well being someone of high intelligence who valued adult conversation. It would still require a lot of events to align together for this to happen, as you say though. (E.g nobody witnessed this conversation, Andrew agreed to go off with this total stranger for some reason, no neighbour or local saw Andrew enter a home, etc).
I think you have a really good point in your final paragraph. No groomer with any level of street smarts would meet Andrew in central London, as they'd expect CCTV to pick them up within hours of Andrew's parents calling the police. That's why I think it was likely Andrew was heading somewhere outside of Central London, if we're assuming he was going to meet someone. I'd even go as far as to suggest he was instructed to buy tickets separately, so the Doncaster ticket office would just think he's going to London.
Taxi driver is a great shout. One of those professionals that you can find yourself oversharing with. If you get in the wrong car and tell the driver that you snuck away to London without telling anyone and are unaccounted for the day, those door locks are going to go CLICK.
Yep this i what I think to. Maybe he didn't want to get the tube or bus. Of course I don't know but I think he may have intended to go to a family members house. Taxi would have been ideal. Once he was in it, he wasn't getting out again until wherever he was taken.
I believe Andrew went to London to distract himself and unfortunately something completely unforeseen happened, possibly a kidnapping followed by murder. A taxi driver, as mentioned, for example. There's no indication that he was groomed by anyone, or that he had suicidal tendencies. I hope the family will one day have answers.
He is dead for sure even if someone didn’t lure him there it’s been almost 20 years he was a kid so he for sure didn’t know how to stay low so no one sees him and he wasn’t abused at home and if he was alive I think when he would turn 18 he would contact he’s parents
My take. He was actually depressed. Did a disappearing act. Probably left London and travelled way out into the countryside. Killed himself. It happens.
I think he was mentally and physically tired from school, walking home once and it being the end of the week. He decided on the spur of the moment to head to London for a day out. Arriving at King's X at 11:20am he may well have walked to Oxford Street Pizza Hut, where he arrived around lunchtime and ordered his favourite pizza.
I think he either met someone there or in the immediate vicinity, someone with a good appearance, smartly dressed, who engaged him in conversation on the pretext of the Slipknot T-shirt, impressed him with his knowledge of the group and who convinced him to board a vehicle or follow him to an apartment in the locality.
He was offered a soft drink, laced with the date rape drug or some similar concoction. I think he was then sexually molested, killed, disposed of like trash and buried in a Home Counties farmer's field, as yet waiting to be discovered.
I was literally JUST thinking. Making friends with fucking weirdos as an alternative kid is so easy. The theory Andrew wanted a day out in London because he realised he just could is so viable. I was EXACTLY the same. Every town has an emo group and he probably found em.
What on earth drove you to that conclusion? He was hoodwinked into accompanying someone with malice aforethought on the promise of tickets for a gig. That's my belief anyway. Feel free to accept or reject.
I’ve leaned towards the suicide theory over the years, going to London as a last outing sort of thing.
I maybe lean to this though because the school I went to many years before me, a 14 year old boy shot himself after writing in a note he done the maths and life wasn’t worth living. Obviously highly intelligent but highly confused about life, I think it’s very common at that age - easy to be troubled.
Other possible theories if not are an opportunist killing / snatching in London.
I’m not into the grooming theory which I won’t go into massively, but I’ll say I just don’t think you’d be lured to a place as busy as London.
I think Andrew was groomed by either someone local to where he lived or online. I'm leaning towards someone local tbh. I think something like "You could meet me in london" was said. Andrew met said person was probably taken to a residence somewhere and murdered. It's sad to say but I feel he's in a field somewhere.
There have been cases of kidnapping where it has gone over 10 years. In some cases the kidnapped form relationships with their captor and want to stay (Stockholm syndrome) So it's not impossible buy I don't think it's the case imo.
Those are two very different things. Of course none of us know how he died. We dont even know IF he died. But the reason I think he probably did die, is because nobody has seen him or heard from him since the day he left home.
Well if he is still alive he would have to still be held captive in his 30’s – which just doesn’t really ever happen. The chances of him being held captive coupled with his reasons for going to London that day which there has been no evidence for why he went then it would be the biggest miracle for him to still be here
How dangerous was London in 2006/7 could it have been possible that he saw something he shouldn’t have him getting lost or lured contradicts the narrative that he knew London well someone knowing a place well also means knowing where not to go is it plausible to suggest that he was somewhere familiar and saw something that he would have been killed over?
I’ve always thought death by exposure. I don’t have anything to back it up but the supposed sighting of him sleeping on the bench just stuck with me. The grooming/opportunist/suicide theories just seem so farfetched to me personally, I guess I always thought the answer when/if we get one would be something so unsinister and unexceptional.
I can honestly say that I had never considered that. In that case I would say I’m 90% sure that is what happened. London is central, as you said he could have gone literally anywhere. It’s just such a shame that his family will likely never know what happened to him. It’s tragic
Andrew was recruited by GCHQ. First noticed by them at Gifted & Talented programme, he helped develop a GCHQ in game advertising campaign for a Codebreaking Website in 2007. After this was successful he was taken in on an internship while studying at a Top University. Mark R Chandar knows!! Who has the ability to make Almost All CCTV disappear? Who has the ability to swap a phone number around in the school database?
If he went missing two weeks ago, I’d say he could still be alive but the passage of time just doesn’t lend itself to Andrew still being alive, not unless you go down a really contrived, convoluted road. I think he probably died on the day of his disappearance and if so, I hope it was quick and painless. With no evidence to the contrary, there is always a slim chance he is still alive, but again, you have to tell an unlikely tale for that to be the case. Unless Andrew was scared of someone in his own family (and there’s never been indication of anything other than a stable and loving home) then him being alive and making no contact at all makes no sense at this point.
The likelihood that he is still alive is low, he is a well-known case and if he was alive living in the UK someone would spot him sooner or later. I believe he probably died in the hands of someone he naively trusted. this case is just so baffling... so little information to go off of and the information that was valuable and existed for a short time was not retrieved on time.
I can see a kid his age boasting to someone about skipping school to be there, that even his parents don’t know he’s in London. Someone saw an opportunity.
As more years pass with no word from Andrew or sightings of him it becomes more likely that he passed away. I’m not saying it isn’t possible that he is still alive just unlikely. I would say he either committed suicide or died by misadventure.
How can you doe of suicide in the middle of such a busy city like London?
There’s no proof he stayed in London. The Pizza Hut sighting is just hearsay. No proof it was actually him.
It is fairly easy finding an abandoned building is just one example off the top of my head. Also do you know how many people you pass by in busy cities and don’t even give a second thought to.
They didn’t search all the abandoned buildings in the general area?
Don’t know for certain but I was just replying to the person that, going to an abandoned building is just one example of how one can commit suicide in a busy major metropolitan area and nobody see anything.
Quite easily
I think Andrew hadn’t really planned his trip to London - and don’t buy into the grooming theory . I think he was lured into danger when he arrived somehow and unfortunately this lead to his death - maybe on someone’s property or land . Someone ,somewhere has unfortunately got away with murder .
The most likely eventuality given the evidence. There is a very long and unpleasant history of predators looking for victims at/near transport hubs in central London.
Exactly my thoughts.
Because he’s been missing for 18 years now. When he went missing, he was a 14 year old with £200 in cash and no passport on his person.
The likelihood of him being able to continue living undetected for that period of time in the UK is very low. The ability of someone his age with a small amount of cash to forge a new identity is very low.
The chances of him being held hostage for 18 years is also low. A paedophile who was interested in him at 14 is not going to be interested in him at 32. 18 years is a long time to conceal another person. The chance of them being found, someone tipping off authorities, escaping or needing medical care in that time is high. Two cases of long term missing people (Natasha Ryan and the Josef Fritzl case) ended up with the concealed person being found.
I think he went to London with the intent to be home before his parents.
Regarding the one-way train ticket, I alternate between thinking someone he trusted suggested they meet in London and misled Andrew into thinking he would be driven home OR Andrew planned a secret solo outing and wanted to buy the train ticket and get on the train as soon as possible before being seen. In his haste, he chose one-way thinking it was the fastest option to receive the ticket. He could buy a return ticket when he was ready to return.
Once in London, he either met the person who lured him there under false pretenses and was harmed fatally OR he was harmed fatally by a random stranger who identified him as an easy mark. Perhaps a robbery gone wrong, I don't know.
I don't believe he traveled to London with the intent of taking his life or starting a new life. I believe he was going there to do something specific with the intent to be home before his parents.
100% agree with this
It’s highly unlikely that a 14 year old can go missing without a trace for 18 years. He definitely would’ve given his parents an update to stop them worrying if it was a runaway. I 100% believe that he had gone to London expecting to come home and ran into someone with malicious intentions there or was groomed in person by someone he thought he could trust
I think he was killed not long after he got to London. I believe Andrew was being groomed by someone local to him in Doncaster who suggested a day out/ a treat in London and persuaded him to break his attendance record. Possibly killed by a proxy so his groomer could keep their alibi. I think the grooming had been going on a while and Andrew had begun to age out of the groomers preferences and/or was deemed a risk.
I don’t think a boy of his age would be able to survive under the radar on his own for this long. No matter how good his school grades were.
I think if someone was keeping him captive, they would deem it too much of a risk, with the campaign looking for him and his distinguishing features (ear).
If he wasn’t being held captive, and just wanted to live under the radar alone, I don’t think (based on what his parents have said about him) Andrew would’ve let his parents go all these years without any contact.
I think the person had access to land where Andrew could be buried undisturbed. Similar to the main Lee Boxell theory.
That's the most likely explanation. I agree. This is also why Andrew withdrew the 200 pounds. Maybe was planning to stay over the weekend and maybe he didn't add the extra 50p for a return ticket because maybe the person who met in London promised to return him home otherwise.
this is my exact theory. i think someone was grooming him who was close to the family, a family member he saw frequently, or a friend of his dad. i believe there was an active pedophile in doncaster around the time that A disappeared that was arrested in 2023, someone found him and did a lot of research. (he worked in a local music shop for guitars, music cds etc).
it’s very convincing that he was groomed not online but in person. he could’ve been into music, like A, and told him there was a music gig, hence the slipknot shirt, and convinced him that much he used his money he saved to buy an xbox for it. i’m not sure if anybody has looked into all the music gigs or just general gigs/ events that were on for 14+ when he disappeared but might’ve already done so.
That's actually a very good point. I wonder if he was told by someone he trusted that there was a secret gig going on in London? Everyone keeps looking at the bands who were actually playing that night, but that might be a red herring.
I was in my mid-twenties with a child when MySpace launched, and my best friend and I used to laugh over the number of guys who used to message us pretending to be music journalists, photographers or otherwise connected to the bands we had on our profile. It was so see through it was silly, but we were adults. If Andrew had met someone locally who implied that he could get him into a secret gig, and potentially backstage afterwards, I could definitely see the appeal
I’m not sure about the gig thing. A groomer might have thought Andrew would check out this gig online and realise it was a ruse.
Secret gigs were a huge thing in the early 2000's. My nephew spent the night in London once, and when he came back from dinner the Foo Fighters were playing on a pontoon on the canal outside his window.
secret gigs were definitely a huge thing. i wasn’t born until 2008, but hearing all my uncles stories (16 in 2007), he went to all sorts of gigs and was big on music back then. A could’ve searched about it but may not of came up because of it being a secret gig, and getting invited to one of them in the early 2000s was like VIP
The thing is, it would give someone a perfect excuse to swear him to secrecy, too - "you can't tell anyone, I shouldn't even be telling you but I know you're a massive fan and I'd hate you to miss out". It's a short hop from there to "meet me in London, I can't take you there because [insert reason here, could be anything] but I'll bring you home". Andrew going down by train, alone, could be for the simple reason that whoever it was didn't want to risk being seen with him in Doncaster.
and living 1h and 30m away from king’s cross is a big stretch for a 14 yo. i wouldn’t of gone further than the next town at that age and only went with friends. whoever it was, he clearly trusted enough to go alone on a big train journey and planned it when his parents weren’t going to be home, how much money etc. he didn’t bring his psp charger either which makes me think he wasn’t going to be able to charge it anywhere he went in london, and possibly in the “journey back” 😢
I was going to London at 14, but I was not the sort of teenager you dream of having. 🙃
I do wonder if he was moody and withdrawn because he wasn't comfortable with being dishonest with his parents, but the pull of whatever was being promised was too much to turn down.
I agree with you on the charger, and if he was going down for a 'secret gig' the money was likely for merch.
Would someone Andrew’s age be permitted to attend a gig alone?
the rabbit hole is so deep for me that i can’t believe any other theory. he had never skipped school before, and the weeks leading up to his disappearance he stopped talking to his school friends and seemed quiet and withdrawn which was not normal for A’s behaviour. I do believe he was lured down to london and was shortly picked up after the sighting in pizza hut. it’s not strange to me that there were no other sightings after but i don’t understand how they thought it was A’s dad. i’ve never heard about that theory and it’s very clear to tell. i don’t think he was “suicidal” either. his family life seemed very structured for somebody at 14 in 2007. however, i have an eerie sense about A’s fathers friends back then. It’s a shame we may never find out. 😞
I've never believed anything other than that he was groomed in some way, but the possibility of it being related to a lie about a secret gig or something had never occurred to me, which in retrospect is really stupid. All of the Myspace messages I mentioned were "I can get you tickets to X gig, X band are doing a secret gig, do you want to go to X award show, X band are recording in London, do you want to meet them, I'm doing a photoshoot with X band, you should come down...but don't tell anyone or I'll get sacked because nobody is supposed to know" (or some variation on that). My best mate was stringing along a guy pretending to be a photographer for weeks at one point. I think it hadn't occurred to me before because what they were doing was really obvious, but I was an adult. If I was 14 and thought I was going to meet one of my heroes, things might have been different.
i don’t think A actually had access to the internet but the family computer and the kept logs on it. when police checked the computer history none of it was weird searches leading up to his disappearance. i don’t think he had a Myspace account which is why i believe the groomer could’ve thought he was easy to groom.
I've banged on about this at length here and elsewhere, but it's entirely possible that he had access to the Internet if someone bought him a burner phone. If he had access to another mobile, it would explain why he wasn't bothered about his phone being broken.
He had two phones, both lost in quick succession prior to his disappearance. I always thought he secretly kept hold of/swapped sims in at least one. His dad said he didn’t seem bothered about losing either.
Absolutely. Also as a parent as much as we love our children and think we know them inside out..children do keep secrets. My son went missing off a beach after a beach party. He told me he was staying with a friend and I had checked with said friends parents and all was fine for him to stay. It ended up with those parents knowing at the time that the kids were going to attend a beach party and providing them with alcohol despite them being 16. My son had never been drunk before that and he ended up walking off the beach at night and going missing. Those parents tried to hide it and not contact me for 3 hours after they knew he had walked off the beach after their son phoned them. The Police were then out searching and my parents. The police thought that he entered the sea and were about to launch the lifeboats and helicopter when he was found asleep on a bench in a military base miles away from the beach. He was so drunk he thought he was walking home. He had been walking for 5 hours. So even at 16 I thought I knew my son. We were and are close. He was responsible up to that point. He did well at school etc etc he would openly talk to me and it was absolutely something I would have never expected from him to do. It also opened my eyes to other people after the parents didn't contact me straight away having covered for my son.
I think you're right about the burner phone. Also back then you could top up easily from a shop without having to purchase online so no trail.
Yep, shitty internet but still internet. I was about 12 in 2007 and I remember talking to all sorts of weirdos online on a PAYG phone without my parents knowing.
In 2007 the type of internet you could access via a phone (especially a "burner") was almost unusable.
I'm afraid that's not correct. I had a Trium Geo in 2007 (which was already an old phone), which allowed me to access forums, chat sites, text and (limited) picture based web sites. As I've already said, you could pick up these phones on PAYG very cheaply in Superdrug. I could also access Myspace, which if my memory is correct, had a specific address for WAP enabled phones.
My partner had a HTC (don't remember the model) which had better Internet access, wifi and video calling. It was also a touch screen. We were not, by any stretch of the imagination, well off. If it hadn't been for the 3/Superdrug collaboration, we wouldn't have been able to afford me having my own mobile.
The same year, you were able to access the internet and email services through BT phone boxes.
It is 100% a red herring to say that there was no way Andrew could have accessed the internet. There was just no way that it was traceable, which is a very different thing.
What you're saying isn't incorrect, it's just unlikely.
If you had WAP access in 2007, then you're also old enough to realise the massive difference between "having internet on your phone" in 2007 and "having the internet on your phone" nearly 20 years later.
WAP was slow, expensive, user unfriendly, and not geared up to being easy to use for hookups etc.
Bear in mind that many on this sub are people who haven't known anything other than a smartphone.
okay that’s a very interesting point. that also could add onto the theory. as a 14 year old if my phone broke i was very distraught about it however i was 14 in 2022, not 2007. 🥲
In 2007, I had a WAP (wireless access protocol?) phone, which had Internet access. It cost £39.99, I bought it in Superdrug and it could be topped up remotely with a 16 digit code from a voucher which anyone could buy. If you paid for the phone and vouchers in cash, both would have been untraceable.
I really hope everyone who visited the Gosden’s house and church/Scouts was thoroughly investigated.
i doubt they were. 2007 police were horrible. they all quickly accused A’s dad and never really looked past that, interviews as protocol and then pinned it on the dad with no evidence to arrest. by the time the police bothered with the case it was too late to get any proper cctv evidence and it took them a while to get the 2 cctv photos of A in kings X
It would certainly be hard to keep track of every single person who entered the church.
Most cases like this, the perpetrator is actually within the family.
They had every right to robustly question the family.
it could be, but we shouldn’t talk about people who were cleared (bannable offence). i don’t think it was somebody in his family but rather a family problem, like andrew potentially being LGBT.
Surely after all this time the police would've identified a neighbour or someone who knew the family, either on the train cctv or motorway cctv
The police did a terrible job in the beginning in terms of finding CCTV and pinned the blame on Andrew’s father for a long time. Most CCTV had been overwritten by the time they deigned to check it. It even took them a while to find Andrew on the two pieces of CCTV at Kings X.
the uk police are rubbish now unless andrew’s case went viral and had enough attention even then i doubt they would.
Unfortunately back then everyone was concentrating on Madeleine McCann who had gone missing four months prior to Andrew. I think he was seen as “less important” somehow as he was a teenage boy and appeared to be leaving of his own accord. MM’s parents were also a lot richer and could afford more PI’s and private searches etc.
I think that’s a big part of it. Andrew was a nerdy teenager from the north who went to London seemingly of his own volition and then was never seen again
The McCanns were an affluent and good looking young family who’d gone on a relatively lavish holiday abroad with their toddlers, one of which was snatched from their accommodation while left unsupervised. From a media perspective, the McCanns and Madeline’s abduction were way more interesting
Kate McCann's best friend was Esther McVey who ended up in the cabinet, and Gerry McCann was friends with Gordon Brown, who was the Prime Minister.
They were absurdly well connected, and had a flair for PR, unlike the Gosdens.
did you read about the guy who sexually abused a boy in doncaster in 2007 and a girl in 2013(?) and was found guilty in 2023. i think you should read up it’s on this page. i don’t think andrew killed himself and i definitely don’t think it was a hit or miss and a random coincidence he got murdered on a day out. he declined a return ticket and took all the money out he’d been saving for a new xbox for a year to go to london. there is no way for me to believe he was not lured to london from the information i have read. i do not know if police checked motorway cctv, but i dont even think doncaster police thought it was a grooming issue. they checked his psp and checked with sony when he was last active if he had any chats etc. he had no accounts registered to the psp, which makes me think it was not online grooming, but rather in person. a school teacher, someone from church, family friend, member, anyone. someone knows what happened to A and it’s disturbing nobody will tell imo. if someone came out now they would get half a sentence for taking themself in and a hard slap on the wrist. uk police are shite.
Another detail that makes this theory quite likely to me is that this was literally the first time Andrew had ever missed a day of school, and that seems like something a groomer could have convinced him to do as a way of testing his boundaries and gaining power and control over him, i.e. seeing if they could get away with it, then eventually being emboldened enough to take Andrew's life as a final step.
especially being so far away from his hometown and the groomer might’ve been able to keep checks about the case in doncaster. i have a very eerie feeling about the theory. he had amazing grades and never skipped school. his mum and dad described him as outgoing however, within the weeks leading up to A’s disappearance, they said he seemed withdrawn from school and his social life. it is so very strange but nothing could convince me he was met with random consequences on a very specific planned out day by him. i’m either thinking the groomer who did this had links to london and knew the area around kings cross or, they had a structured plan to act out his fantasies.
That's an excellent point about it being a day out planned by Andrew himself. Yes, what are the chances that a gifted student who had never missed a single day of school suddenly decided to end that streak for a random day out in London (when he had other reasons - his grandparents - to go to London anyway on a different non-school day) and then happened to run into trouble there vs. someone known to him initially convincing him to skip school, luring him to London, and later causing his disappearance?
And obviously this is just pure speculation, but being withdrawn could certainly be a result of getting overly involved with a groomer.
Yes, this theory makes the most sense to me. The question is who in Andrew's life would have done this? Since we know he barely even used the internet, there should be a fairly short list of the people in his immediate face-to-face life who could've been involved.
i will have to read a bit more into his parents interviews etc. on police websites and youtube but what i think i know is they investigated one of andrew’s primary school friends Laura Oxenham who they interviewed. there is little to absolutely no information i could find on A’s parent’s friends being interviewed. it is not publicly available to us i believe. there’s limited information however, i have just read that andrew stopped seeing all of his friends from school and seemed quiet and withdrawn. i have to lean towards grooming. i was groomed and my family could tell just by body language such a withdrawn and being careful what i said in case i slipped up. something definitely sinister happened and personally, i don’t think A is alive, but i will always have hope x
Andrew’s Dad’s friend Rev Alan Murray, his son Sandy, Laura, and two of his teachers spoke to the daily Mail.
Link.
So much to unpick with this!
Firstly, the Vicar was friends with Andrew's Dad. Just because the Vicar had a son, doesn't mean he and Andrew were automatically friends. Parents and their friends often try to force their children to be friends, and often this leads to children barely tolerating each other whilst their respective parents meet up.
Secondly...Ian Huntley performed to the press like this.
ahhh. do we know if all of them we interviewed or just him and his children? i don’t know if you seen about the 2 girls that went missing in 2008(?) which was all over the uk news. took them 2 weeks to find them and a local neighbour had kidnapped them and kept them in his basement. they did not survive. but i keep my mind open for new theories.
https://madebyredrose.co.uk/location/abusers-in-doncaster?category=19
only 260~ wronguns in Doncaster, about 90 nonces, this should be historical I believe, if people uploaded the related cases.
I recall the posts about the pedophile who was active at the time and lived nearby. Fascinating info. The original poster has since deleted their profile and the posts.
ah. i found another redditer who knows. i was absolutely fascinated by what information he managed to pull out and i believe that info is crucial, potentially.
Yes it was actually incredible info, the best I have seen. I was messaging the person as well, they seemed genuine. No idea why they deleted everything. They said they went to the police.
if i could dm you about the info he had on him and share theories that would be great. i’m big on A’s case recently and i’m autistic so i’ve hyper focused on a lot. my theories are;
1: Andrew ran away — he had a secret phone and was buying data top-up vouchers and that was why he wasn’t bothered about his prior one breaking. A was having identity/sexuality issues and his family are heavily christian (therefore homosexuality is a sin) therefore, A had access to chatrooms for help with his LGBTQ issues and was groomed by somebody on there. They might have promised him a good life and he could “be who he wanted to be” and was lured to London. either met with bad fate, or is still alive to this day.
1A. Andrew is alive — Leominister police incident September 2008. the station wasn’t open so a man buzzed through the system and said he had information about Andrew Gosden’s case. Police officer arrived, he fled. i believe that was either himself, or somebody who holds crucial information about A and either 1. didn’t want to scare him with his parents or 2. he was a criminal and got nervous about having to give an officer (?)incriminating information. in an unnamed chatroom, a person called Andyroo in 2017 asked somebody for £200 to pay their rent because their boyfriend had left them and they couldn’t pay it, the person asks to send it through the bank and they said they ran away at 14 and don’t have a passport therefore could not make a bank account. the nickname Andyroo was given to A by his parents as a child which is quite crucial information. Andyroo came to the internet for help, and maybe Andrew did too in 2007, which would be one of his patterns.
Just read a summary of Lee Boxell's disappearance and that case has even less concrete information in comparison to Andrew Gosden's disappearance, crazy how there are cases that are even more complex and that have fewer evidence than Andrew's.
I don’t think it was a random encounter because that would mean too many things had to align for it to happen.
What are the odds that on the one day Andrew decides to do such a massive thing that’s completely out of the norm for him, he also happens to come across a random bad person who does something to him?
The odds aren’t zero but I still think it’s more likely that he was groomed or maybe he did choose to end his life.
I just find it strange that if he was going to London to meet someone, there’s no way Andrew or the abductor knew it would take so long to find out where he went or that the police would fail to collect CCTV. The abductor would have been taking a huge risk meeting Andrew in such a heavily surveilled city.
As for the random encounter, it could be that someone spoke to Andrew about Slipknot, based on his T shirt and managed to befriend Andrew. I'd say this would likely be someone a few years older than Andrew, who Andrew would perhaps relate to well being someone of high intelligence who valued adult conversation. It would still require a lot of events to align together for this to happen, as you say though. (E.g nobody witnessed this conversation, Andrew agreed to go off with this total stranger for some reason, no neighbour or local saw Andrew enter a home, etc).
I think you have a really good point in your final paragraph. No groomer with any level of street smarts would meet Andrew in central London, as they'd expect CCTV to pick them up within hours of Andrew's parents calling the police. That's why I think it was likely Andrew was heading somewhere outside of Central London, if we're assuming he was going to meet someone. I'd even go as far as to suggest he was instructed to buy tickets separately, so the Doncaster ticket office would just think he's going to London.
I think Andrew sadly got very unlucky and met a wolf in sheep's clothing. I won't go into guessing how this happened as it is in poor taste.
Taxi driver is on my top suspected types list for a few reasons.
Random, quick but controlled. Taxi driver
Taxi driver is a great shout. One of those professionals that you can find yourself oversharing with. If you get in the wrong car and tell the driver that you snuck away to London without telling anyone and are unaccounted for the day, those door locks are going to go CLICK.
Yep this i what I think to. Maybe he didn't want to get the tube or bus. Of course I don't know but I think he may have intended to go to a family members house. Taxi would have been ideal. Once he was in it, he wasn't getting out again until wherever he was taken.
A random encounter by an opportunist sadly.
I think he met with foul play somehow.
As terrible as it is, isn't it better than whatever his life would be if he was still alive? Held captive for all these years? Tortured and abused?
I would rather believe he is resting in peace.
A wolf in sheep’s clothing no doubt. It’s all a bit sad really.
I believe Andrew went to London to distract himself and unfortunately something completely unforeseen happened, possibly a kidnapping followed by murder. A taxi driver, as mentioned, for example. There's no indication that he was groomed by anyone, or that he had suicidal tendencies. I hope the family will one day have answers.
Very morbid question
Genuinely, Im not sure it matters why or how, we cannot possibly know how or why.
All I can say that it’s far far far more likely that he’s no longer with us.
As a kid I ran away and no-one could find me until I showed up years later. Its possible.
Point me to where I said it isn’t possible.
Statistics on missing people, especially children show that he is probably not alive.
I think he was killed the same day
He is dead for sure even if someone didn’t lure him there it’s been almost 20 years he was a kid so he for sure didn’t know how to stay low so no one sees him and he wasn’t abused at home and if he was alive I think when he would turn 18 he would contact he’s parents
My take. He was actually depressed. Did a disappearing act. Probably left London and travelled way out into the countryside. Killed himself. It happens.
I think he was mentally and physically tired from school, walking home once and it being the end of the week. He decided on the spur of the moment to head to London for a day out. Arriving at King's X at 11:20am he may well have walked to Oxford Street Pizza Hut, where he arrived around lunchtime and ordered his favourite pizza.
I think he either met someone there or in the immediate vicinity, someone with a good appearance, smartly dressed, who engaged him in conversation on the pretext of the Slipknot T-shirt, impressed him with his knowledge of the group and who convinced him to board a vehicle or follow him to an apartment in the locality.
He was offered a soft drink, laced with the date rape drug or some similar concoction. I think he was then sexually molested, killed, disposed of like trash and buried in a Home Counties farmer's field, as yet waiting to be discovered.
I was literally JUST thinking. Making friends with fucking weirdos as an alternative kid is so easy. The theory Andrew wanted a day out in London because he realised he just could is so viable. I was EXACTLY the same. Every town has an emo group and he probably found em.
Yes and the feeling of rebellion at 14 is so real.. makes you do things out of character.
That's very detailed, do you know something
Sadly, no.
Why do you think he had homosexual tendencies
What on earth drove you to that conclusion? He was hoodwinked into accompanying someone with malice aforethought on the promise of tickets for a gig. That's my belief anyway. Feel free to accept or reject.
He met with someone he knew who had bad intentions imo.
I’ve leaned towards the suicide theory over the years, going to London as a last outing sort of thing.
I maybe lean to this though because the school I went to many years before me, a 14 year old boy shot himself after writing in a note he done the maths and life wasn’t worth living. Obviously highly intelligent but highly confused about life, I think it’s very common at that age - easy to be troubled.
Other possible theories if not are an opportunist killing / snatching in London.
I’m not into the grooming theory which I won’t go into massively, but I’ll say I just don’t think you’d be lured to a place as busy as London.
The lure to London can make the whole thing appear as if Andrew planned on running away
I think Andrew was groomed by either someone local to where he lived or online. I'm leaning towards someone local tbh. I think something like "You could meet me in london" was said. Andrew met said person was probably taken to a residence somewhere and murdered. It's sad to say but I feel he's in a field somewhere.
There have been cases of kidnapping where it has gone over 10 years. In some cases the kidnapped form relationships with their captor and want to stay (Stockholm syndrome) So it's not impossible buy I don't think it's the case imo.
I believe he ended his life in London. Explains everything. No cable for games system, no major suspects & no genuine sightings
Those are two very different things. Of course none of us know how he died. We dont even know IF he died. But the reason I think he probably did die, is because nobody has seen him or heard from him since the day he left home.
Well if he is still alive he would have to still be held captive in his 30’s – which just doesn’t really ever happen. The chances of him being held captive coupled with his reasons for going to London that day which there has been no evidence for why he went then it would be the biggest miracle for him to still be here
Because his bag was never found.
How dangerous was London in 2006/7 could it have been possible that he saw something he shouldn’t have him getting lost or lured contradicts the narrative that he knew London well someone knowing a place well also means knowing where not to go is it plausible to suggest that he was somewhere familiar and saw something that he would have been killed over?
There’s a few possibilities. Suicide or opportunistic attack from a predator. There’s no way he could still be alive really.
I’ve always thought death by exposure. I don’t have anything to back it up but the supposed sighting of him sleeping on the bench just stuck with me. The grooming/opportunist/suicide theories just seem so farfetched to me personally, I guess I always thought the answer when/if we get one would be something so unsinister and unexceptional.
If he died from exposure, how come his body was never found? Do you think he went somewhere remote? I’m not challenging, genuinely curious
Since all the cctv was wiped, he could've kept going until he ran out of money, I suppose. He could've left London that same day.
If he did commit suicide, I wonder if he expected to be found by now.
I can honestly say that I had never considered that. In that case I would say I’m 90% sure that is what happened. London is central, as you said he could have gone literally anywhere. It’s just such a shame that his family will likely never know what happened to him. It’s tragic
Andrew was recruited by GCHQ. First noticed by them at Gifted & Talented programme, he helped develop a GCHQ in game advertising campaign for a Codebreaking Website in 2007. After this was successful he was taken in on an internship while studying at a Top University. Mark R Chandar knows!! Who has the ability to make Almost All CCTV disappear? Who has the ability to swap a phone number around in the school database?
Doubt it mate