There are plenty americans with the mindset that america has no flaws either but i see this attitude far more in europeans. They love to act smug towards americans pretending that unlike america europe is a paradise and pinnacle of civilization and brag about their "free healthcare" (I agree that our system could be better but in some parts of EU their healthcare is even worse than ours) how they dont live in a "fascist country" (even though some EU countries are way more fascist than the US) I also find it funny how some of them brag about their unemployment rates and being lazy. I'm sure europe has some nice places to live in but so does america. I'm also pretty sure east asian countries have a higher quality of life than europeans but since they act more civilized and their cultures value respect they dont rub it in europeans faces or act smug about it like europeans do to americans.
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This brings back a memory from many years ago. I studied abroad in Italy one semester and really enjoyed it. Except for one particular place I found Europeans to be really cool and not very arrogant at all.
The one exception was when our class toured the EU Parliament in Brussels. We had a Q&A with some mid level bureaucrats there. Holy shit were they the most know-it-all people imaginable. They were just talking down to us the whole time as if we dumb Americans couldn’t comprehend the amazing bureaucracy they had created. I actually feel bad for average people in Europe that have to deal with those jackasses.
It's the same in america. Liberal egg heads run our bureaucracy. They are almost impossible to fire and have no idea how to make a functional society.
u/bay1bri your comment was auto deleted. Shame, it was really good seething.
I pretty much agree with this sentiment. However I hate to break it to you but liberals aren’t running shit right now.
Please do not confuse elected officials with unelected bureaucrats who do not get kicked out of office every few years.
Yeah I don’t know - when you control every part of the federal government and you own most of the governorships of each state it’s hard to argue that the other guys are the ones actually ruling.
Look, another seething liberal that is completely wrong. "Yeah, I don't know." Thank you, captain, obvious.
I mean you can check my post history to see that I’m not liberal - I just think the constant “no matter how much my side rules, we are the cherished brave minority” stuff is dumb af.
Over half of the government employees in the united states are democrats. Significantly more than the amount of republican ones. Keep coping liberal.
Sure boss - keep saying the guys elected to everything are the brave minority lmao.
Translation: I got proven wrong so let me move the goalposts
Translation: I deep throat ears of corn with my butt
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You sound mad. Harder.
It doesn’t matter who’s in charge as long as they do what’s best for the country as a whole. So if things are getting better I shouldn’t have any reason to be mad.
You still sounded mad as hell.
Well I am a lib. And if there’s one thing thing Trump is good at, you know besides bankrupting businesses and raping kids, it’s owning the libs. And we all know actual leadership is overrated, pissing of the political opposition is what’s important.
That's obvious, your sniveling told me that right off.
Point out an EU flaw.
Europeans: "Stupid Americans, we are all separate countries and you can't group us together like that." They will never say which country they come from.
But when it comes to Olympic metals or other shit, suddenly it's the EU as a whole.
Europeans like to point fingers at the US political system for having lobbyists who buy politicians in Washington.
But won’t ever bring up the fact that there’s 20 000 registered lobbyists in Brussels who do the exact same thing.
A lot of Europeans are oblivious to this fact. Goes to show how good European media is at keeping people in the dark, where it suits them.
Or the fact that In the past nearly all of Germany's energy sector was handed to Russia on a platter. Meanwhile he left his political position in Germany to settle down in a high position in a Russian gas company.
Oh yeah. I’ve seen Germans play down this fact or say that it’s over now, so it’s okay…lol.
They always let bygones be bygones in Germany
I admit this is understandable taking Germany's last hundred years or so into account.
Shrodinger's Europe.
You can't compare America to Europe, it's a continent not a country.
Well compared to Europe...
No, not Eastern Europe they don't count, I meant Western Europe.
No, not all of Western Europe I meant just the North.
No, not all of Northern Europe I'm just comparing to Sweden
Motte and Bailey.
And a Stone Keep to you too.
Meanwhile, most Swedes are like, "hey, don't bring us into your nonsense!"
"But when it comes to Olympic metals or other shit, suddenly it's the EU as a whole". As an european i have no idea what you are talking about.. European countries compete against each other. No country gives a shit about other's metals if that's what you mean
There was few Twitter idiots saying EU as a whole got more medals so EU is better
It was minority and I doubt any Euro who's not chronical online thinks that way but it happened
"As a European"
So what? As an european i pointed out that my own or others european countries aren't counted as eu in the Olympics. It's just factually wrong
They act smug to their neighbors let alone to the whole world. As a European myself.
As Another Euro, I second this.
Because they are mostly NPCs living in small boxes and coping for their poverty.
i find it the funniest when americans who never set foot in europe say europe is a utopia
Or even worse, they visited some high end tourist area and now wanna move.
Grass is greener on the other side.
the average europeans are not living in poverty and their homes arent that small...
Have you been to Europe?
no but im going this year and it can't be that bad. objectively many western european countries have higher development than the US so i dont see how they're all impoverished.
Oh, well I go 3-4 times a year due to my dual citizenship. Have anything else I should know about Europe?
which country?
Last trip was France, Poland, Czechia and Slovakia.
oh ok my bad. i assumed europe would be on par with the US but ig not
Not even close. Average home size is half than the average size in the US. Everything is smaller and poorer.
oh dang i wasnt aware of that
They don't think critically and just repeat the propaganda the government tells them.
i had a good time in frankfurt. nobody cared that i was american. i had my cousin with me and germans thought he was middle eastern so his time wasn't as great lmao
That is something that annoys me in Europe as well, the arrogant attitude, the lack of awareness of their own issues, the strawman arguments, the pride in being lazy… especially in countries like the Netherlands, Germany, and the Nordics
it shocked me how so many dont see an issue with unemployment and their pride in being lazy
What pride? Unemloyement is a constant topics right now in my country. Your ignorance is arrogant.
If an American criticizes Spain for high unemployment, a Spaniard will come up with a thousand excuses and nuances for why it’s not so bad.
I'm not that familiar about spain. The original commentor was talking about the nordics which is where i'm from and it's seen as a very serious problem. What kind of idiot wouldn't see it as a problem is beyond me
How is being lazy taken in pride in the nordics? Our current issues are the most talked subjects right now. What are you talking about?
Had anyone thought at least once that all these forced anti american sentiment could be from either Russian, Chinese bot feeding them to break us apart?
So OP you are new to Reddit. A few months. Check out the EU subs.
Europeans trash their leaders just like we Anerican s trash ours.
They also trash the EU as an institution. They complain about Hungry vetoing everything. And the complain about bureaucracy.
A slim majority of accounts you are talking to are not people or are low paid propagandists in China and Russia.
No European says as a European they will say in my country or in France
Euros thrash each each other, but will always defend Europe against criticism from Americans. They’ll even shit they don’t believe, just so that they don’t agree with Americans.
Saying this as someone from SE Europe living in the UK.
So how big is reform UK polls show it will be next party in a few years
A lot of people will blame….drum roll…. The US.
Many are already saying, that Reform is gaining popularity because of “Americanization” of UK politics (whatever that means) and that Reform is just copying MAGA politics…
Many forget, that half the country voted for Brexit to ,quote: “ Do away with the wogs and Pakis “
Are you guys really isolated from each other politically. Like work places where everyone votes one way. Like do liberal voters not date non liberal voters?
Well, in the UK, voting patterns and political beliefs are highly determined by the social class system. The recent conundrum with people hanging Union Jack flags on street lights and other people taking them down is a perfect example of this.
People who put up those flags are 99.9% of working class background, mostly without higher education, probably involved in a trade job.
On the other hand, all the people who take the flags down are 99% Liberal, middle class metropolitan types.
A few things to note : 1. Unlike the in the US, class in the UK is not something you can acquire, you’re kind of born into it and income+ wealth doesn’t really change that.
I’m saying this as a non-Brit who lives in the country, I’m not a part of the class system. But if you live here it’s good to be class conscious to some extent. I’m just giving a third person observation
As for the dating aspect- I think in large. metropolitan areas, like London, people don’t tend to date outside of their political beliefs, much like in the US. I don’t know how it is outside of large cities, but voting patterns are also very dependent on areas (like blue states and red states)
Are there?
I’m a Euro and can confirm that Americans are way more open to admitting faults in their country compared to Europeans.
Europeans will actively avoid to mention or minimize any issue in their country/EU as a whole.
It’s some twisted pride/ inferiority complex, where it’s a major faux pas to admit any large issues to an American counterpart.
This sub sometimes does the same tbh
yes and i pointed that out in my post. the echo chamber that repeats "europe is perfect" is FAR bigger though
This sub is doing it right now.
They act like that, because they rely on Americans not knowing their issues.
If they don’t admit there’s issues, it’s like they don’t exist.
Plus, they have the added bonus of their problems not being world news, unlike America’s.
It's not only them btw. I see many non-Europeans including Americans see Europe as a utopia while saying the US is an enormous hellhole with guns.
Because they have no pride in their country, only the cheap imitation of America. That’s what the EU’s trying to become.
It’s easier to just project and amplify every issue the US has instead of look inwardly
It’s a common media tactic btw. From Feb. to April, Elon Musk was the top story in many European countries. He was getting more coverage than local news.
If I had to put my tin hat on, I’d say that it was a good smoke screen for shady things to take place, without receiving any coverage.
European here. I wonder who this mythical European is who thinks the EU is without flaws.
I don't know a single one. There are just a lot of us who see that the EU as important for Europe's future, confirmed by the hardly deniable fact that Russian propaganda has been working for years now on supporting opponents who aim for its destruction.
PS: healthcare isn't really seen as an EU topic, other than for EU citizens living in another member state. It is a national topic and systems also differ a fair bit between member states.
There tends to be a lot of minimizing or omitting issues that happen in Europe, especially when arguing with Americans.
It’s a bit of ‘The pot calling the kettle black’
europeans will only admit they have issues among themselves. when they argue with an american suddenly the EU becomes a problem free paradise
I’d be interested to hear which EU countries are “way more fascist than the US” and why you think so?
Hungary, Poland, Italy for example. But it’s good to define what fascism is maybe.
Well, go on…
Well, you define it, since apparently you disagree with OP.
I need to define a term in a statement OP made? C’mon… You’ve named 3 countries you think are, but didn’t explain why.
I’ll just say treatment of Roma gypsies and will extend that to all countries east of Austria.
I’m starting to question if they’re lying to their own asses off or Europe really is just a magical land with sunshine and rainbows
Because Europeans like to think as themselves as sophisticated when they're actually not.
Because they are inundated by propaganda on social media. At least Americans subject themselves to an abundance of varying viewpoints, for better or worse 😆
Because it is the fiction that the Americans have sold them that even if they are weak and impotent, they get to have this moral stance.
It makes it easier for them to swallow the fact that defending their quality of life is costly but the Americans handle that.
If they couldn’t virtue signal as a unit, their societies would basically Balkanize into squabbling pseudo chieftain led (we call them “kings”) tribal states like it has been for most of human history, with the occasional local empire. As an example, the Germany you know was basically like 39 sovereign states with ties to their own cultures and people in the 1860’s prior to Otto Von Bismarck. It may be surprising to know that they have been united for far less time than the US.
Only the British went truly sustained global due to deepwater navigation tech and you’ll note they’re far more in line with understanding the US predicament than the rest of Europe.
Sheep convince themselves ,that it’s virtuous to be placid and conformist and believe it’s evil to be independent and with a predatory mindset (like wolves)
True but to be fair, there are more sheep than wolves in the world.
Have you never heard of Brexit and the political parties that are anti EU in EU countries?
You mean that thing which UK politicians repeatedly had people vote for again and again because people voted wrong before finally conceding and going through with it only to follow EU law anyone making the whole thing pointless because they were pro-EU while also suppressing how beneficial it actually was to make it look worse than it actually was?
What are you talking about?
It was proven that the majority at the time clearly wasn't happy with the EU.
Even now there's people who hate the EU in the UK.
There's governments in power in the EU that don't like it Hungry is one, whilst in France, Germany and Italy there's political parties with power that are against it.
Greece has a huge mistrust with the EU because of the collapse of their economy and the EU giving them strict terms on their bail out.