Since the end of the Middle Ages, and excluding civil wars, the longest sustained peace in Europe was from the end of WW2 in 1945 until the start of the Yugoslavian Wars in 1991. Just under 46 years.
The next longest is measured in only a handful of years.
Is a bunch of people rushing into a government building because the government is controlled by Moscow a civil war? Does a protest that is declared an insurrection become one? What about a widescale protest that is violently put down?
I ask because the Soviet Union did all of those actions during the Cold War. That would put the timeframe somewhere around a decade at longest.
If you want to say that it is two or more armed factions vying for independence or control of a country, iirc the last one was the Greek Civil War that ended in 1949. That cuts it down to 42 years.
Ok so my definition of a civil war is an attempt at some sort of split or permanent change in government that leads to bloodshed of at least 5 people that die or more that involves two or more specific groups that have no differences
Do you have any idea how little that reducing things from my first definition. The Soviets did not have a real strong "lets preserve life" outlook.
But lets be a bit forgiving and say that both sides need to be organized.
That would put the last civil war to be the 1968 Czech uprising where the people of Czechoslovakia tried to overthrow the Soviet puppet government. This was put down HARD by the Czech government with backing from the Soviets. Hard enough that no more widespread nationwide uprisings in the Eastern Bloc.
That would also make the largest peace time between 1968 and 1991, or 23 years. There were put downs of Polish, Romanian, Bulgarian, Estonian, Latvian, Lithuanian, and probably others that I am forgetting before the Czech revolt which keep the prior 19 years chopped up quite a bit.
Thinking about it, the next longest period is either between the second Russian invasion of Chechnya and the Russian invasion of Crimea (6 years) or the Russian invasion of Crimea and the Russian invasion of the rest of Ukraine (8 years) depending on personal definitions of different conflicts.
You know, I am starting to see a constant in nearly all post WW2 European conflicts.
The Russian controlled Soviet Union, and the Soviet Union harshly putting down anti-authoritarian or anti-communist revolutions and protests during the Cold War.
Russia is the European country that has tried forcefully taking its neighbors territory since the end of WW2.
Russia is the remaining violent country in Europe. Everyone else has realized that it is better to get along.
Europe fought so much war has gone out of fashion.
What really prevented war was that the Europeans were so broke after WW2 that they gave up their sovereignty in exchange for money. They're essentially American client states now, rather than independent countries. They don't have anything to fight over.
We drove the Nazis out of your country because you were an Axis member, remember?
And thankfully, your country was so inept militarily at the time that Hitler had to clean up your messes (How's it going, Greece?) that it delayed Operation Barbarossa.
When it comes to battles, Italy has switched more sides more than a politician during election season.
Nowadays it’s an absolute shithole. I’ve been twice, and aside from the tourist hot spots it feels like the developing world. Naples is genuinely not that different from fucking Cairo.
Had a friend who studied abroad in Italy and her attempts to sound well traveled and cultured just made Italy sound terrible.
"Oh, in Italy your bag would be pickpocketed in a second."
"In Italy, strange men will constantly try to hit on you and you can't say anything back or they get angry."
Great that it isn’t in your circles. It was with the people from her university. Something I’ve also heard progressive Italian students in Groningen bring up as an issue back home.
Italy isn’t alone in this however. It’s an issue across Europe. Have also experienced the craziest stuff in Denmark.
That's quite different than "it is normalized". And while I am not a woman, so I can't speak about how safe she felt on the streets, I can definitely say that most italian women go on with their lives without getting drugged once. So if it happened multiples, that's just unlucky, not reflective of Italy.
My family member moved to Italy for work. They said that it’s normal to have people denting your car from them opening their car. In the U.S., everyone would be outraged by that.
He/she claims to be Italian. But, his comment history suggests he/she is Russian.
This is how to spot a Russian:
Omission or misuse of articles: Russian has no articles ("the", "a", "an"). A common error is completely dropping them (e.g., "I need book") or adding them in the wrong places (e.g., "They want to increase the taxes").
Incorrect use of the verb "to be": In Russian, the present tense of "to be" is often omitted in simple sentences. This can lead to English phrases like "My sister dumb" instead of "My sister is dumb".
Atypical word order: English word order is relatively fixed, while Russian word order is more flexible. This can result in unusual English sentence structures (e.g., "Will be prepared a social programme for the participants").
Issues with prepositions: Literal translations from Russian often lead to using the wrong prepositions or omitting necessary ones (e.g., "I met with a girl" instead of "I met a girl", or "waiting my friend" instead of "waiting for my friend").
Double subjects: Sometimes a speaker will use a noun and a pronoun as the subject in the same sentence (e.g., "Julia and I, we are back home").
Distinctive punctuation: Russian punctuation rules differ from English, with a more common use of semicolons and dashes in complex sentences.
Typographical "smiles": The use of multiple closing parentheses, such as ))) to indicate amusement, is a common Russian texting slang.
Specific vocabulary choices: Russian speakers may use more general or formal words where a native English speaker would use a more specific or casual term, for instance, substituting "scientific" for "scholarly" or "research".
Some important American innovators, scientists, engineers, and inventors that Europeans who look down on the US conveniently ignore:
Benjamin Franklin - early experiments and discoveries in electricity, thermodynamics, hydrodynamics, oceanography, and meteorology, charted the Gulf Stream, invented bifocal glasses, the lightning rod, and the catheter
Alexander Graham Bell (Canadian-American) - invented the telephone
Samuel Morse - developed Morse Code, helped to invent the single-wire telegraph, developed the telegraph relay, and made some early innovations in undersea telephone and telegraph cables
Hiram Maxim - invented the machine gun
Samuel Colt - invented the revolver
Levi Strauss and Jacob W. Davis - invented blue jeans
Henry Ford - pioneered the assembly line, mass production, and industrial engineering
Orville and Wilbur Wright - invented the airplane
Willis H. Carrier - invented air conditioning
Robert H. Goddard - invented the liquid-fueled rocket
Igor Sikorsky - developed the first commercially successful helicopter
George Westinghouse, Thomas Edison, and Nikola Tesla - made a number of important early inventions and discoveries related to electricity
Enrico Fermi - invented the nuclear reactor
J. Robert Oppenheimer - led the team that invented the atomic bomb
Albert Einstein - made several important theories and discoveries in the field of physics, including the piezoelectric effect (for which he got a Nobel Prize) and relativity
Eugene Ely - pioneered fixed-wing naval aviation
Clarence L. "Kelly" Johnson - IYKYK
Charles Kettering - invented the electric starter motor
Gladys West - created the mathematical geodetic Earth model, which was essential to the development of GPS (also an American invention)
Martin Cooper - invented the handheld cell phone
Richard Feynman - one of the most important pioneers of quantum physics, earned a Nobel Prize for his work
i was never a victim of a crime in all my 24 yrs of living in the US but the second i went to rome i got mugged. i'll admit theres some nice places in europe but italy aint one of them
So they think all we’ve offered the world is a handful of movie directors? Fucking hell. Part of the reason Europe even has a leg to stand on here is because we took their legacy and made it better
Would have been nothing but peace.
In all of recorded history, Europe has not gone 100 years without major conflicts.
Europe fought so much war has gone out of fashion. They fought so much that Europe finds war stale and wants the US to fight it for them.
Since the end of the Middle Ages, and excluding civil wars, the longest sustained peace in Europe was from the end of WW2 in 1945 until the start of the Yugoslavian Wars in 1991. Just under 46 years.
The next longest is measured in only a handful of years.
Not even counting civil wars T_T how long including it?
Now the headache of what is a civil war crops up.
Is a bunch of people rushing into a government building because the government is controlled by Moscow a civil war? Does a protest that is declared an insurrection become one? What about a widescale protest that is violently put down?
I ask because the Soviet Union did all of those actions during the Cold War. That would put the timeframe somewhere around a decade at longest.
If you want to say that it is two or more armed factions vying for independence or control of a country, iirc the last one was the Greek Civil War that ended in 1949. That cuts it down to 42 years.
Ok so my definition of a civil war is an attempt at some sort of split or permanent change in government that leads to bloodshed of at least 5 people that die or more that involves two or more specific groups that have no differences
Do you have any idea how little that reducing things from my first definition. The Soviets did not have a real strong "lets preserve life" outlook.
But lets be a bit forgiving and say that both sides need to be organized.
That would put the last civil war to be the 1968 Czech uprising where the people of Czechoslovakia tried to overthrow the Soviet puppet government. This was put down HARD by the Czech government with backing from the Soviets. Hard enough that no more widespread nationwide uprisings in the Eastern Bloc.
That would also make the largest peace time between 1968 and 1991, or 23 years. There were put downs of Polish, Romanian, Bulgarian, Estonian, Latvian, Lithuanian, and probably others that I am forgetting before the Czech revolt which keep the prior 19 years chopped up quite a bit.
Thinking about it, the next longest period is either between the second Russian invasion of Chechnya and the Russian invasion of Crimea (6 years) or the Russian invasion of Crimea and the Russian invasion of the rest of Ukraine (8 years) depending on personal definitions of different conflicts.
You know, I am starting to see a constant in nearly all post WW2 European conflicts.
Jesus, Europe is kinda a shit show
Russia is a shit show.
The Russian controlled Soviet Union, and the Soviet Union harshly putting down anti-authoritarian or anti-communist revolutions and protests during the Cold War.
Russia is the European country that has tried forcefully taking its neighbors territory since the end of WW2.
Russia is the remaining violent country in Europe. Everyone else has realized that it is better to get along.
Well I mean the balkans aren’t the best
What really prevented war was that the Europeans were so broke after WW2 that they gave up their sovereignty in exchange for money. They're essentially American client states now, rather than independent countries. They don't have anything to fight over.
They absolutely do. They're still fighting right now and had quite a few fights during the Cold War too
We drove the Nazis out of your country because you were an Axis member, remember?
And thankfully, your country was so inept militarily at the time that Hitler had to clean up your messes (How's it going, Greece?) that it delayed Operation Barbarossa.
When it comes to battles, Italy has switched more sides more than a politician during election season.
Judas was more loyal.
Italy literally still TWO Mussolinis in politics- how have they not taken out THAT last bag of trash by now?
RAHHH GREECE MENTIONED
I FUCKING LOVE OXI DAY
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Italian civilization peaked 2000 years ago.
Nowadays it’s an absolute shithole. I’ve been twice, and aside from the tourist hot spots it feels like the developing world. Naples is genuinely not that different from fucking Cairo.
Had a friend who studied abroad in Italy and her attempts to sound well traveled and cultured just made Italy sound terrible. "Oh, in Italy your bag would be pickpocketed in a second." "In Italy, strange men will constantly try to hit on you and you can't say anything back or they get angry."
I wish I was making this up.
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Doubt. Rape talk normalized? What the hell are you talking about?
Openly talking about intentionally getting women drunk to sleep with them for example.
Getting someone intoxicated to be able to sleep with them, knowing they otherwise wouldn’t do that, is rape in my books. Hence: rape talk.
Which is not normalized at all as it is considered rape and treated as such
Great that it isn’t in your circles. It was with the people from her university. Something I’ve also heard progressive Italian students in Groningen bring up as an issue back home.
Italy isn’t alone in this however. It’s an issue across Europe. Have also experienced the craziest stuff in Denmark.
That's quite different than "it is normalized". And while I am not a woman, so I can't speak about how safe she felt on the streets, I can definitely say that most italian women go on with their lives without getting drugged once. So if it happened multiples, that's just unlucky, not reflective of Italy.
"aside from the tourist hot spots it feels like the developing world"
Heavy on this part. The towns I stayed in (multiple) ran out of gas lol. I'm sorry, is this the 70s???
Luigi living on past accomplishments is even sadder than Barry.
https://i.redd.it/4x687onlgt6g1.gif
My family member moved to Italy for work. They said that it’s normal to have people denting your car from them opening their car. In the U.S., everyone would be outraged by that.
As an Italian He doesn't represent me or Italy
The continent that needed America's help to bail it out of WW2?
based brit
No point getting angry over this.
He/she claims to be Italian. But, his comment history suggests he/she is Russian.
This is how to spot a Russian:
)))to indicate amusement, is a common Russian texting slang.From Google AI.
The misplaced laughter seems suspect
European Cultural Chauvinism is already stupid, but when its aimed at the country that has politically captured your entire continent its so funny.
I'm sorry, all I heard was
🤣🤣🤣
Some important American innovators, scientists, engineers, and inventors that Europeans who look down on the US conveniently ignore:
Benjamin Franklin - early experiments and discoveries in electricity, thermodynamics, hydrodynamics, oceanography, and meteorology, charted the Gulf Stream, invented bifocal glasses, the lightning rod, and the catheter
Alexander Graham Bell (Canadian-American) - invented the telephone
Samuel Morse - developed Morse Code, helped to invent the single-wire telegraph, developed the telegraph relay, and made some early innovations in undersea telephone and telegraph cables
Hiram Maxim - invented the machine gun
Samuel Colt - invented the revolver
Levi Strauss and Jacob W. Davis - invented blue jeans
Henry Ford - pioneered the assembly line, mass production, and industrial engineering
Orville and Wilbur Wright - invented the airplane
Willis H. Carrier - invented air conditioning
Robert H. Goddard - invented the liquid-fueled rocket
Igor Sikorsky - developed the first commercially successful helicopter
George Westinghouse, Thomas Edison, and Nikola Tesla - made a number of important early inventions and discoveries related to electricity
Enrico Fermi - invented the nuclear reactor
J. Robert Oppenheimer - led the team that invented the atomic bomb
Albert Einstein - made several important theories and discoveries in the field of physics, including the piezoelectric effect (for which he got a Nobel Prize) and relativity
Eugene Ely - pioneered fixed-wing naval aviation
Clarence L. "Kelly" Johnson - IYKYK
Charles Kettering - invented the electric starter motor
Gladys West - created the mathematical geodetic Earth model, which was essential to the development of GPS (also an American invention)
Martin Cooper - invented the handheld cell phone
Richard Feynman - one of the most important pioneers of quantum physics, earned a Nobel Prize for his work
And the list goes on
Now that’s a spicy meata ball
Pretty rich coming from a country willingly giving it's culture up for third world bullshit.
Inventing Fascism was great you all barely survived that....or did you?
i was never a victim of a crime in all my 24 yrs of living in the US but the second i went to rome i got mugged. i'll admit theres some nice places in europe but italy aint one of them
So they think all we’ve offered the world is a handful of movie directors? Fucking hell. Part of the reason Europe even has a leg to stand on here is because we took their legacy and made it better
I meaaaaaan Italy didn’t you guys like you know, invent fascism????
Another arrogant asshole.
If you don't enjoy stuff made in the US, then why do you use Reddit?
Also, remember that both world wars started in Europe.
500,000 Americans died in two world wars so that we could have the pleasure of listening to these pompous pricks self filatio for 100 years.
Absolutely fucking amazing. Next time these people all start slaughtering each other we should leave them to their own devices.
They’re slaughtering each other all the time (lol)
Def a chinese bot. Italians aren't like this at all.
Buddy your country worked with Hitler.
So curious. I hate so many movies music and books.
My solution is to not watch listen or read things I do not like.
The problem with internet feeds is people feel like they have no choice but to watch what tik tok pits in your face