when I upgraded from a 5800x3d to a 9800x3d, I played civ 6 on the largest map with the most AI players using mods. I used a save game with a turn that had no player interactions (rare). The 9800x3d was 40% faster on turn time.
I think thats the distinction that a lot of people fail to make. Even with a more reasonable GPU like a 5070ti, you're still gonna see the most difference at lower resolutions. 4k maxed, probably not. Trying to max a 240 Hz 1440p monitor, it could matter.
I think its good to see the benchmarks to evaluate how CPUs have changed over generations and how they scale across different games. But inevitably these type of videos quickly devolve to people using them to either justify their upgrade or why they don't need to upgrade any time soon.
Ever since upscaling tech matured, I can't remember the last time I ran a game at native 4k. Especially with DLSS 4.5 (on a 4090) there just doesn't seem to be a reason to. I'd assume most people are upscaling from 1080p or 1440p at this point, and the 9800x3d definitely makes a difference there. I assume FSR4 isn't gonna be much different
Though there's a great few games nowadays that even benefit at 4k due to being so CPU heavy.
Assuming a 3 year delta between the two, back in the old days it would have been what... a 150% increase? I think the 5800x3d was the GOAT CPU but that was mostly because of the uplift between simulation style games.
Of course that does not excuse Intel for being such shit.
I kept playing on a 4790K till I got a 3900X, replaced by a 5800X3d... and I hope it will keep as long as that 4790k did. Also, I just bought a brand new MSI motherboard for that 4790K.
Yeah, people freak out way too much about CPU. They upgrade the CPU despite not having any CPU bottleneck. My 12900k with DDR4 and a4080super can easily push 120+fps with zero CPU bottlenecking. People should start using tools like Afterburner to actually check their bottlenecks and not just assume.
If you are on AM4 a 5700x will do the trick most of the time. No need to buy into AM5 and DDR5 at current prices.
no doubt I had a 5800X3D + 7900XTX and at 1440UW there was a small amount of bottlenecking. Even a 4090 is bottlenecked alot by a 5800X3D with a 5090 forget about it.
Below 4k a 5800X3D + 4070 Ti is a good combo anything faster than that you will to limit the gpu.
Yes that's what i meant. For 4K I probably need to replace my GPU before my CPU 😀 . I'm mostly sim racing so my cpu is pretty strong still. Doubt ill see too much dif on a 9800x3d with the same gpu .
I sold my 1 kidney already to buy the 7900xtx on launch so selling the other one for AM5 is not an option !
Idk why you’re being downvoted, I upgraded from 5800x3d to a 9800x3d with the same 3080ti and everything is way smoother. star citizen got a big bump in frames and it’s so much smoother.
That’s kinda stubborn. It’s waste of gpu resources! It looks better than native. It really does. Even lower levels of dlss. And frame gen is fantastic too. It made doom the dark ages run 200fps for me with path tracing and it felt like it.
Not always, the 9070 XT that I own is pretty good, it doesn't outright stink in RT/Upscaling (FSR 4) and it cost barely more than a 5070 at least in my country, it's all about the budget. However, the XTX aged like milk compared to the 4080, which was terrible value to begin with, but at least it had the complete package.
Well, in my country it is, you have to be dumb to get the regular 5070 instead of it for similar prices, the problem is that in other regions it's between 5070 and 5070 Ti or even worse, close to 5070 Ti, that's where it's a hard pass.
Or for people who already have DDR4. Like if you have a 7700k then a 5800X3D will be a big upgrade and you can re-use the RAM which is one of the most expensive components to buy right now.
He's implying and rightfully so that this is a way to get around high DDR5 prices. So this would be for new computers if you don't want those high prices. However hes also saying that he thinks DDR4 is affected as well.
Yeah, bought 32 GB last June for 101 eur, checked the price of the exact same kit from the same store and it was 303 eur. Prices had started rising mid June. According to the chart I saw, DDR4 prices went up before DDR5, which started rising in the Fall.
Got onto AM4 earlier in 2025 to find 5800X3D already being sold out, and snagged 5700X3D instead. Really want to move to AM5, but might be holding onto this for a long time.
Dude, you can sell DDR4 for also substantial money and cover good part of BS pricing. Already calculated, it's not worth buying R7 5800X3D for anything above $250, because it's just cheaper to sell what you have and get AM5 on DDR5. And you bet AMD will slam like $450 MSRP on restock if they go for it. At that price, just get R5 7500F, and spend the difference on RAM with further upgrade paths.
I got 8 sticks lying around for my 14700k system i was planning to build and my 12600k. Have about 16 sticks of ddr4 though i will prob try to get rid off. Whenever i see a ram deal I buy it, its kinda an ocd thing.
I recently picked up the AM5 bundle at micro center (9800X3D, 32GB DDR5, B650E-E) for $680 with the main justification being that I’ll make most of if not all my money back from selling my AM4 parts because holy shit 5700X3Ds go for a stupid amount these days.
Meanwhile I just upgraded my 6 year old CPU with a 14600k last week and reused my existing ddr4 ram lol.
The price was far cheaper than the 5800x3d and the performance upgrade is absolutely insane. It even routinely beats most ddr5 systems as well in productivity tasks and emulation.
The 7 nm prototypes never made it to market, likely for performance reasons they were not measurably better than this chip.
And I mean, they already solved these issues with the 7900X3D which was probably designed ~4.5 years ago.
Their CPU design teams are likely working on Zen 7 and Zen 8 at this point. They're not going to go back to a Zen 3 chip to try to workaround AM4 limitations to deliver a real 5950X3D in 2028 that would require a major BIOS update, be limited to very specific boards and high-end memory.
I fail to see why a double CCD X3D chip would be desirable.
If you are gaming then you want your game to be on one CCD to avoid inter-die communication latency. The second die being X3D is just raising manufacturing cost.
If you are rendering / number-cruching then X3D variants don't provide a benefit. Lower clocked ones usually lose out to their non-X3D counterparts when a large L3 cache is not needed.
By the time I found out about the RAM prices, 64gb was already €600+. I looked for something second hand and managed to score a 5800X3D, a TUF B550 WIFI II and 4x8GB of DDR4 for €500. The bottleneck now is my 7800XT, but I'm not going to upgrade anytime soon. I have been using the leaked INT8 FSR4 and I'm happy with the results that gives.
Or just crank the graphics settings until the CPU isn’t the bottleneck. This shouldn’t be too hard. The Venn Diagram of 5080/9070XT users and non-3D AM4 CPU users has got to be pretty slim.
5900X with a new 9070XT here and for my 3440x1440 @ 160HZ purposes with I'm still really well served, considering myself a heavy user. Been playing through some RT titles like Cyberpunk and GTAV:E, while having good productivity for my coding needs.
I wouldn't know what to upgrade for at the moment, to me it's just not worth the cost. I'd e.g. have more value from going OLED.
I had forgotten that the gap between that and the 9800X3D was so huge
yes I did this upgrade in April 5800X3D to 9800X3D is a huge jump.
Same, upgraded a few months ago right when ram prices started to climb. Was a crazy big jump for a cpu upgrade
no doubt a 4090 is bottlenecked on a 5800X3D.
Dunno why you're downvoted, it absolutely is in a ton of titles.
don't care about down votes its a fact.
when I upgraded from a 5800x3d to a 9800x3d, I played civ 6 on the largest map with the most AI players using mods. I used a save game with a turn that had no player interactions (rare). The 9800x3d was 40% faster on turn time.
Depends on the resolution and GPU I suppose. 1080p on a 5090 shows the gap. Say 4k on a 9070XT and the gap would be a lot smaller.
I think thats the distinction that a lot of people fail to make. Even with a more reasonable GPU like a 5070ti, you're still gonna see the most difference at lower resolutions. 4k maxed, probably not. Trying to max a 240 Hz 1440p monitor, it could matter.
I think its good to see the benchmarks to evaluate how CPUs have changed over generations and how they scale across different games. But inevitably these type of videos quickly devolve to people using them to either justify their upgrade or why they don't need to upgrade any time soon.
Ever since upscaling tech matured, I can't remember the last time I ran a game at native 4k. Especially with DLSS 4.5 (on a 4090) there just doesn't seem to be a reason to. I'd assume most people are upscaling from 1080p or 1440p at this point, and the 9800x3d definitely makes a difference there. I assume FSR4 isn't gonna be much different
Though there's a great few games nowadays that even benefit at 4k due to being so CPU heavy.
Assuming a 3 year delta between the two, back in the old days it would have been what... a 150% increase? I think the 5800x3d was the GOAT CPU but that was mostly because of the uplift between simulation style games.
Of course that does not excuse Intel for being such shit.
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the worst part right now, is that a 5800x3d is at a highest price than a 9800x3d...
Playing at 4K (7900xtx, 5800x3D) my bottleneck is not my cpu :-) .
Ill wait for AM6.
Ditto
I got my 9800X3D about a year ago, I can't wait to replace it in 5-7 years.
AMD not changing sockets every two seconds is a nice touch.
Same. My plan is to keep it until they release the last X3D for my am5 platform.
I kept playing on a 4790K till I got a 3900X, replaced by a 5800X3d... and I hope it will keep as long as that 4790k did. Also, I just bought a brand new MSI motherboard for that 4790K.
Yeah, people freak out way too much about CPU. They upgrade the CPU despite not having any CPU bottleneck. My 12900k with DDR4 and a4080super can easily push 120+fps with zero CPU bottlenecking. People should start using tools like Afterburner to actually check their bottlenecks and not just assume.
If you are on AM4 a 5700x will do the trick most of the time. No need to buy into AM5 and DDR5 at current prices.
5700x non3d is still fully capable and no slouch.
5600x is fine for most.
All of my main games go below 60fps or otherwise have gametime slowdown undesirably on the best (OC'd) CPU's due to CPU bottlenecking lol
You probably just play a subset of games that aren't very cpu heavy
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I have hundreds of hours in the game using the 5700x3d paired with an RX 9070 xt. It's gorgeous and runs flawless at 1440 p.
it really doesn't, but i'm glad you're enjoying it.
edit: i can't believe this is up for debate. you guys probably argued that 30fps was fine years ago.
Yeah because your gpu is not fast. My old 5800x3d bottlenecked the shit out of my 5090 in many games even at 4k
Why would you have a 5090 without the best CPU you could get, which is 1/5 the price of the 5090.
I got a 9950x3d now but at first I had my old 5800x3d
Theres no reason to just waste money on the rest of your build because you splurged on one part. So every 5090 owner should have a 9800x3d? Lol nah.
If they dont want to bottleneck their 5090 then yeah
Yes, since they're likely loaded to be able to afford a 5090 in the first place.
Lmao it's a 2k graphics card you don't need to be loaded to afford it. It's not a car 🤣
2k is in fact a beginner car.
maybe for a few months before it stops running. point still stands, a 2k purchase is not "loaded", not even close to it.
no doubt I had a 5800X3D + 7900XTX and at 1440UW there was a small amount of bottlenecking. Even a 4090 is bottlenecked alot by a 5800X3D with a 5090 forget about it.
Below 4k a 5800X3D + 4070 Ti is a good combo anything faster than that you will to limit the gpu.
Lol the driver overhead from your 5090 certainly contributed to that
Yes that's what i meant. For 4K I probably need to replace my GPU before my CPU 😀 . I'm mostly sim racing so my cpu is pretty strong still. Doubt ill see too much dif on a 9800x3d with the same gpu .
I sold my 1 kidney already to buy the 7900xtx on launch so selling the other one for AM5 is not an option !
Idk why you’re being downvoted, I upgraded from 5800x3d to a 9800x3d with the same 3080ti and everything is way smoother. star citizen got a big bump in frames and it’s so much smoother.
Are you sure? Because you probably use dlss. Which is effectively not 4k
Nope. I don't do any false frames 4k native res only !
That’s kinda stubborn. It’s waste of gpu resources! It looks better than native. It really does. Even lower levels of dlss. And frame gen is fantastic too. It made doom the dark ages run 200fps for me with path tracing and it felt like it.
Bro, you're talking to an 'XTX' user, what do you expect? You wouldn't want to use FSR 3 either.
Ah I see true. Man I own 9800x3d but owning amd gpu would be so crippling for pc gamer nowadays
NVIDIA really has brainwashed people like you.
I can’t imagine not having dlss and other features on pc. It’s a fact. I am not an nvidia fanboy. I have a 9800x3d. It’s objectively true
Not always, the 9070 XT that I own is pretty good, it doesn't outright stink in RT/Upscaling (FSR 4) and it cost barely more than a 5070 at least in my country, it's all about the budget. However, the XTX aged like milk compared to the 4080, which was terrible value to begin with, but at least it had the complete package.
It’s a great card but it’s not cheaper enough to loose dlss, ray reconstruction and other features
Well, in my country it is, you have to be dumb to get the regular 5070 instead of it for similar prices, the problem is that in other regions it's between 5070 and 5070 Ti or even worse, close to 5070 Ti, that's where it's a hard pass.
man, if I could just jump to a 5700x3d, it would be a huge upgrade. 16MB L3 cache in the 5500 is a huge bottleneck for some games (like Cyberpunk)
in Brazil you can't find these chips for less than 800 dollars lol.
IIRC in latin american you have the 5500X3D which has a 96 MB L3
Yeah, and albeit it's on average 10% slower than the R7 5700X3D is still much better than the R5 5500 and closer to the R5 7500F/7600 in performance.
I was under the impression that even older RAM sticks now are already skyrocketing as well.
obligatory this is a product for people already on AM4 not new computers
Or for people who already have DDR4. Like if you have a 7700k then a 5800X3D will be a big upgrade and you can re-use the RAM which is one of the most expensive components to buy right now.
yay, that was my upgrade path, how did you know? :D
You can't even buy these CPUs at MSRP anymore, this is a circlejerk video.
Blows my mind that people can't understand this.
He's implying and rightfully so that this is a way to get around high DDR5 prices. So this would be for new computers if you don't want those high prices. However hes also saying that he thinks DDR4 is affected as well.
Which btw I don't think is the case.
I bought Corsair Vengeance 32 GB DDR4 3200 MHz for 117 € in 2022. Exact same product is now 236 €.
I got 2nd hand but never used 32GB 3600mhz vengeance a year ago for €50. Didn't really need it at the time but I'm really glad now.
November 2024 I bought 64GB (4x16) of DDR4-3600 for $135. That same RAM is now $500.
You are incorrect.
This is for people who's already on AM4.
Plenty of people with R5 3600 or 5600 looking to get better performance would benefit a lot from an upgrade to a 5700X3D or 5800X3D
Sounds like a legit plan to me. Glad that AMD has done a fair amount of work trying to keep sockets relevant for so long.
Yeah, bought 32 GB last June for 101 eur, checked the price of the exact same kit from the same store and it was 303 eur. Prices had started rising mid June. According to the chart I saw, DDR4 prices went up before DDR5, which started rising in the Fall.
Yeah it is nuts. I ordered 2x32GB DDR4 sticks back in 2023 and their price has almost tripled based on Amazon pricing.
Only DDR3 and older are not skyrocketing.
Yet! Doesn't matter if it's a stick of RAM or a weird stuffed animal with sharp teeth; if there's enough market demand, prices will rise.
It happened with DDR2 several years ago, albeit mercifully it wasn't as bad.
Got onto AM4 earlier in 2025 to find 5800X3D already being sold out, and snagged 5700X3D instead. Really want to move to AM5, but might be holding onto this for a long time.
Why did you go AM4 so late and not just AM5 in 2025?
Freebie! Was on 9th-gen Intel, and this was a bit of a bump in performance.
Back? Never left for me lol.
Yeah people are so desperate for 5000 x3ds i sold mine for $450, gonna get a 9800x3d.
Have fun buying DDR5.
Dude, you can sell DDR4 for also substantial money and cover good part of BS pricing. Already calculated, it's not worth buying R7 5800X3D for anything above $250, because it's just cheaper to sell what you have and get AM5 on DDR5. And you bet AMD will slam like $450 MSRP on restock if they go for it. At that price, just get R5 7500F, and spend the difference on RAM with further upgrade paths.
I got 8 sticks lying around for my 14700k system i was planning to build and my 12600k. Have about 16 sticks of ddr4 though i will prob try to get rid off. Whenever i see a ram deal I buy it, its kinda an ocd thing.
I recently picked up the AM5 bundle at micro center (9800X3D, 32GB DDR5, B650E-E) for $680 with the main justification being that I’ll make most of if not all my money back from selling my AM4 parts because holy shit 5700X3Ds go for a stupid amount these days.
If only Microcenter is available around the world.
Holy shit im so glad i went 9800X3D, 64GB DDR6000 and a 9070XT for what seems like pennies a year ago
Upgrade GPU to 5070ti...paired with my 5800X3D....seems like a good combo ..will skip Zen 5 for now..
Started on AM4 with a 2700x, now sitting with a 5800x3d and the same board. I have zero reason to move off this chip in the foreseeable future.
I also started with a GTX 1070, and moved to a 6900XT at release. I'm confident it can take another GPU upgrade down the road still.
Meanwhile I just upgraded my 6 year old CPU with a 14600k last week and reused my existing ddr4 ram lol. The price was far cheaper than the 5800x3d and the performance upgrade is absolutely insane. It even routinely beats most ddr5 systems as well in productivity tasks and emulation.
I got offered 400€ for my 5700x3D. Crazy times lol.
I guess 5090 owners are not interested in 5800x3d
if amd's marketing didn't come out of stupidtown they would have already had 12 and 16 core zen 3D on the market along 8 and 6 core variants
Those already exist?
The 7 nm prototypes never made it to market, likely for performance reasons they were not measurably better than this chip.
And I mean, they already solved these issues with the 7900X3D which was probably designed ~4.5 years ago.
Their CPU design teams are likely working on Zen 7 and Zen 8 at this point. They're not going to go back to a Zen 3 chip to try to workaround AM4 limitations to deliver a real 5950X3D in 2028 that would require a major BIOS update, be limited to very specific boards and high-end memory.
I fail to see why a double CCD X3D chip would be desirable.
If you are gaming then you want your game to be on one CCD to avoid inter-die communication latency. The second die being X3D is just raising manufacturing cost.
If you are rendering / number-cruching then X3D variants don't provide a benefit. Lower clocked ones usually lose out to their non-X3D counterparts when a large L3 cache is not needed.
5800X3D & 9070 XT 💪
What would the results show at 1440p? I understand difference between 9800x3d and 5800x3d would be smaller but by how much?
Yeah would be a day 1 purchase for me. I wasn't aware they will be discontinued and missed the boat sadly.
Would be a great upgrade for my 3700X.
should have added 7800x3d ,its easily the best value x3d performance part rn
I have a 5900X and my plan was to upgrade with the generation after 9800X3D.... looks like it will be very expensive...
the key takeaway is that 5800x3d gamers can upgrade GPU in 2027 for GTA 6 or Witcher 4, then maybe finally upgrade CPU in another 3-4 years time
Unfortunately my bottleneck is not the 2600X.
By the time I found out about the RAM prices, 64gb was already €600+. I looked for something second hand and managed to score a 5800X3D, a TUF B550 WIFI II and 4x8GB of DDR4 for €500. The bottleneck now is my 7800XT, but I'm not going to upgrade anytime soon. I have been using the leaked INT8 FSR4 and I'm happy with the results that gives.
Best CPU of 2022 against best CPUs of 2023/2024.
A result you could have seen by just... checking the reviews of said CPUs in 2024.
Its not vs its about 5700x3d and 5800x3d in modern games 9800x3d is just for scale
Sure? But it's easier this way
The gaps have actually gotten wider
Or just crank the graphics settings until the CPU isn’t the bottleneck. This shouldn’t be too hard. The Venn Diagram of 5080/9070XT users and non-3D AM4 CPU users has got to be pretty slim.
5900X with a new 9070XT here and for my 3440x1440 @ 160HZ purposes with I'm still really well served, considering myself a heavy user. Been playing through some RT titles like Cyberpunk and GTAV:E, while having good productivity for my coding needs.
I wouldn't know what to upgrade for at the moment, to me it's just not worth the cost. I'd e.g. have more value from going OLED.
I really really really don't get this and will continue to say this:
buy an 5950x. it's just a few percent slower in half the games and in the other half of use cases (and games) it's faster then the x3D.
this AM4 x3D hype is getting ridiculous and there is a better alternative available. yes. I said better.
Next they say, bring back win98.
technology advances to fast for these guys on youtube to keep up