The point is that the 8000G series is Phoenix, which is the same die in the 7840HS.
AKA the title of the article should be "AMD hints that you may be able to do something that they've allowed since Picasso". This is an article about nothing.
All mobile chips actually exist in “desktops” in the form of prebuilt mini pcs even back in the dual core Intel U series days. Nobody called that “desktop” because they didn’t come in socketed form. So either both apply or neither apply.
I don't think it's actually aimed at DIY though. Hence the vagueness in the discussion about availability for the DIY market. It seems more like it will be an OEM only product.
Most 1L PCs sold by Dell, Lenovo and HP all have socketed CPUs. If they didn't they would have a lot more SKUs and a lot less configurability.
Offering socketed mobile processors for these types of PCs makes more sense considering the cooling contraints.
AMD just had silicon they want to sell, to either consumers or OEMs. If you really want a small computer, Mini PCs with laptop hardware soldered onto the board comes in for about the same or lower price as a custom build with APU while being much smaller.
The CPU clock speed will probably be slightly lower, as has been the trend for previous Ryzen APUs. However, the GPU will be able to take advantage of all the bandwidth available.
If the memory controller can run tRCD up in the 100 tick range, we might even see a new DDR5 frequency record
They might be cheaper, AMD in particular doesn't have a big share of the low end desktop market because Intel has all the corporate contracts. If they could get some economies of scale going by combining the low end desktop and mobile chips it might be good.
“Amazing deal” being a trade off of having no modular upgradeability. There is no “100-150$ lower” like for like comparison because there is never a 7945HX cpu for sale alone it’s always soldered to a board you buy it with.
That’s called the G series. Which always were the same mobile dies in socketed from. They just stopped calling it the G series and instead directly use the mobile chip naming of AI 400. Hardware wise it’s the exact same thing they’ve been doing.
To build more tinier pcs and to have superior integrated card solutions which doesn't exist on the desktop.
Anyway pre builts sell them, but in some offerings it seems it's too expensive, which I'm not sure if the blame are the pre built brands or amd being very expensive with those chips
Back in the days I remember using an Athlon XP Mobile in my desktop. It overclocked like a beast, and ran very cool. And a screaming yellow Lanparty nForce motherboard.
Yep, the old Athlon XP-M chips were primo, depending on the use case people either overclocked like crazy or you could build something super low power and quiet.
I'd honestly be more happy if I could use a desktop cpu in my laptop...there are only 6 models of laptops available with x3d cpus in the whole EU market starting from 3500€, if I'd have an option to put a 7800x3D, 9800x3D, or even just a 5800x3D in my laptop that would significantly boost gaming performance and out the cost down by a lot.
I approve this idea. I have done a few builds with the Minisforum ITX motherboards and while the mobile chips will not win any benchmark contests for most uses, including gaming, they do a great job. Add the ability to use a larger custom cooler and you now have a build that will sip power and be super easy to cool while being quiet.
Something like this makes a high performance/low energy nas or home server interesting.... however id find the limited pcie lanes very limited in that senerio.
You mean the 8000G series?
I wouldn't recommend those if you plan to buy a dGPU later as they cut pcie lanes significantly.
No, the AI 400 series.
The point is that the 8000G series is Phoenix, which is the same die in the 7840HS.
AKA the title of the article should be "AMD hints that you may be able to do something that they've allowed since Picasso". This is an article about nothing.
They already have Prebuilts with those Mobile chips from Asus and Lenovo
All mobile chips actually exist in “desktops” in the form of prebuilt mini pcs even back in the dual core Intel U series days. Nobody called that “desktop” because they didn’t come in socketed form. So either both apply or neither apply.
so, genuinely curious because I'm unaware, other than for power consumption, why would you want to do this?
It's mainly for things like 1 litre pcs, like a Mac mini. Not standard desktops.
Main reason is to have a PC that is completely unobtrusive.
Some monitors also come with mounts that allow you to mount the PC to the monitor.
You find these in a lot of offices and public sector.
Many years ago I had an Intel NUC, and it came with a VESA compatible mount that would work with most standard monitors.
Prebuilt NUC's/Mini PCs seem to get the job done easier for use cases like this, instead of doing a DIY build
I don't think it's actually aimed at DIY though. Hence the vagueness in the discussion about availability for the DIY market. It seems more like it will be an OEM only product.
Most 1L PCs sold by Dell, Lenovo and HP all have socketed CPUs. If they didn't they would have a lot more SKUs and a lot less configurability.
Offering socketed mobile processors for these types of PCs makes more sense considering the cooling contraints.
Throw it in a old Mini itx box and boom small nas or living room pc once your laptop reached its end of life
Its similar to what framework does but on a cpu scale
ah i hadnt considered that, that would be awesome yeah
Like the minisforum boards.
Steam box clones.
AMD just had silicon they want to sell, to either consumers or OEMs. If you really want a small computer, Mini PCs with laptop hardware soldered onto the board comes in for about the same or lower price as a custom build with APU while being much smaller.
The iGPU is faster on these chips.
The memory controller is faster because the chip is monolithic, and everything is produced on the 4N node.
So basically, if you enjoy overclocking, this is a good choice.
I’m sure anything is easier to overclock if it simply came with a 600mhz lower frequency out of the box.
The CPU clock speed will probably be slightly lower, as has been the trend for previous Ryzen APUs. However, the GPU will be able to take advantage of all the bandwidth available.
If the memory controller can run tRCD up in the 100 tick range, we might even see a new DDR5 frequency record
They might be cheaper, AMD in particular doesn't have a big share of the low end desktop market because Intel has all the corporate contracts. If they could get some economies of scale going by combining the low end desktop and mobile chips it might be good.
You won't find the non G series Ryzen chips in non gaming desktops.
If they are cheaper than their desktop counterparts then why not. Take 7945HX for example, its a laptop version of 7950x.
On time spy the top 100th CPU score for 7950x is 15304 (idk how tuned it is). While my tuned 7945HX does 16.8k avg.
7950x is 5-10% faster than its laptop counterpart.
If they price them 100-150$ lower than it sounds like an amazing deal.
“Amazing deal” being a trade off of having no modular upgradeability. There is no “100-150$ lower” like for like comparison because there is never a 7945HX cpu for sale alone it’s always soldered to a board you buy it with.
The article says taking a mobile CPU and dropping it into an AM5 socket.
That’s called the G series. Which always were the same mobile dies in socketed from. They just stopped calling it the G series and instead directly use the mobile chip naming of AI 400. Hardware wise it’s the exact same thing they’ve been doing.
I'd assume lower cost too? Lower heat?
Not everyone needs or can afford the latest and greatest.
To build more tinier pcs and to have superior integrated card solutions which doesn't exist on the desktop.
Anyway pre builts sell them, but in some offerings it seems it's too expensive, which I'm not sure if the blame are the pre built brands or amd being very expensive with those chips
Back in the days I remember using an Athlon XP Mobile in my desktop. It overclocked like a beast, and ran very cool. And a screaming yellow Lanparty nForce motherboard.
Me too if I remember correctly, the 2600 went upto 3000 or something like that
The 2600 mobile was my last 32 bit CPU. That thing was awesome. It was relatively cheap too!
Folks were doing this in the athlon days and overclocking the shit out of those mobile chips
Yep, the old Athlon XP-M chips were primo, depending on the use case people either overclocked like crazy or you could build something super low power and quiet.
As someone who daily drives a 7945hx modt I’m all for this. Easier to cool and less power consumption with all the power.
isn't that just what the G line was?
I thought "G" meant Graphics.
basically yes, but U, H and G were the same die, HS and I think some HX even (newer HX were desktop on BGA though)
slight microcode changes to alter boost behavior and that's it
I'd honestly be more happy if I could use a desktop cpu in my laptop...there are only 6 models of laptops available with x3d cpus in the whole EU market starting from 3500€, if I'd have an option to put a 7800x3D, 9800x3D, or even just a 5800x3D in my laptop that would significantly boost gaming performance and out the cost down by a lot.
so we can upgrade our laptop cpu too ? whoo hooo
Would be silly, laptops almost always come with CPUs way more powerful than you would pair with the types of GPUs they come with.
nah don't that much about gpu in laptop. but CPU, it can last long if i can upgrade it
No you can’t, no laptop comes with a socketed cpu in years.
Just like 462 days.
I approve this idea. I have done a few builds with the Minisforum ITX motherboards and while the mobile chips will not win any benchmark contests for most uses, including gaming, they do a great job. Add the ability to use a larger custom cooler and you now have a build that will sip power and be super easy to cool while being quiet.
Something like this makes a high performance/low energy nas or home server interesting.... however id find the limited pcie lanes very limited in that senerio.
Shape isn't even the same as AM5. Do they really expect this to work?
Also, the issue now isn't about CPU, it's about RAM.