The most noticeable and valuable (IMHO) improvement for X3D is 1% and 0.1% lows. It’s so much smoother; and this isn’t just for competitive games but also single player titles feel better too.
I’d take 120fps with perfect frametime consistency, over 240fps with 1% lows in the double digits any day.
That said, I agree that for mixed-usage (eg you often do video editing, code compilation, etc) then the difference between 5800X3D and 5700X3D is significant; 400MHz matters a lot for those sustained CPU-bound work.
just check the real world results, these CPUs are so close in games that you'd be hard pressed to find any situation where you'd ever notice a difference beyond looking at benchmark numbers.
Have you tried ...reading? Too many words for your ...let's call it a brain?
Where did say I "be all end all"?
Again, you don't need to lie. But yeah, GHz is an extremely important metric.
And why the attempt to invalidate the very use of GHZ at all?
Like I said, REALLY weird argument from you. Just bizarre.
10% is literally DOUBLE the 5% which Hardware unboxed, and many others, use as a metric to say significant and a meaningful difference. Double. And gaming isn't everything, guy.
This is why I hate reddit . Users like you.
But "you do you" ( ugh, of course you are one of those people who uses that embarrassing and condescending phrase.
Fir sure, only thing I would also like to do is to move to a b550 from my b450, but that is o ly because I would like a second m.2 slot, but I could also invest into a bigger m.2
used 5800x3d's are going for more than double their launch price.
Other top of the line non-x3d non-G 5000 series CPUs are still available in stores. Like the 16cores 5900XT that was launched a year and half ago.
That would be a novel design on a now ~9 year old node. You're talking a 2027 launch for that even if they could do it and wanted to do it, and that CPU might have a lot of problems, need mandatory BIOS updates etc.
I'm not sure they even have much capacity reserved on 7 NM but at best they would relaunch a low capacity 5800X3D.
Same. I'll probably have the same setup for the next 5 years until it stops and then I'll just go sit on my porch and watch the sunset as I won't pay 10K+ for a computer all so some techbro can have fake AI.
But if you know that $300 stick was $100, you will not buy it either. The only ram that is still cheap today is DDR3 (because it's too old, but the size is also smaller).
Honestly, one of the best decisions AMD has made was to use the same sockets over multiple generations, it definitely accounts for a large share of brand loyalty here, because they don't screw over the consumer and ask him to invest in a new motherboard with each new CPU, everything just works.
Your statement kind of proves it, you made the upgrade within the same platform even though when 5700X3D came out you already had AM5 available, just with a way higher cost of a new motherboard and memory. I did much the same thing and i've been happy with this. It also helps that i did the same thing back in the AM3+ days too.
As long as AMD continues to make decisions like this that make things easy and helpful to consumers, they will continue to steamroll Intel and gain massive amounts of brand loyalty.
Get an undervolted/overclocked Xeon X5650 in there. Cheap as hell now, and 12 threads of Westmere at ~4.2GHz is still a surprising amount of CPU power.
I still have an X58 Xeon pulling NAS/Home Assistant duty. You'd have to pry my X58 out of my cold dead hands. Best OC platform ever made and it broke my 5GHz cherry.
IMO don't bother with triple channel. It just ends up increasing power draw and DRAM latency due to the reduction in OC potential and it only benefits a few very specific workloads.
Aye, that CPU was the plan before I found myself in a better place and able to afford components from the current decade, I do think power draw is still pretty high regardless what goes into that full sized ATX board.
In the end, I’m likely going to sell the board+CPU+heatsink+ RAM it has, as I’ll never have a use for it as things currently stand.
Yeah, the power draw can get absolutely awful when OC'd. When I ran that build in my main on water w/ the X5650 @ 4.8GHz 1.442V the CPU alone would peak around a ridiculous ~320W. lol
I have an undervolted X5675 @ 3.3GHz 1.06V in it now (X5650 degraded after ~3 years) and surprisingly it's actually more power efficient at idle and low loads than my AM4 chiplet based builds (and about the same as my Ryzen 3 2200G @ 4GHz), so it has kept a spot among my fleet of junk.
If your socket is still in good shape and all memory channels work, I doubt you'll have much difficulty selling it. X58 still holds the record for the lowest I/O latency of literally any other platform before or since, so it still actually fills a weird superlative niche.
Yup, DIY is the dumping ground for AMD's leftover and reject EPYC dies. Now, let's see what type of refreshed Ryzen 5000 series products that AMD cooked up.
I should have jumped on the 5800X3D bandwagon from my 3900X when prices were good. So I hope this fixes that. It wasn't *that* important as I tend to play 4K/60 not 1080p/240
I really hope they bring some back, i am still kicking myself for not buying the 5700x3D in November, it was still in stock here but I figured I would wait for a sale only to find out later after stock ran out that it was out of production
I seriously lucked out with my timing. £127 delivered from aliexpress and should have bought 2 more, one for a friend and one for my uncle. They rre scared by the fact it was Aliexpress. 2 months later and they were £180. Now they are way more.
If you're lucky in your cpu silicone and can run a 2ghz clock then synced ddr4 at 4000mhz has lower latency that unsynced ddr5 at stock jdec speeds. You'd get a bit more bandwidth but half the latency. You need to buy 6000mhz ddr5 to sync the infinity fabric and match the latency. Apparently it's noticeable in the 1% low frame rates.
If they can push clocks to 4900MHz with improved tech (only possible with lower voltages, ofc), I'd totally get one. My 5800X3D is finally hitting CPU-limited scenarios, usually involving RT's BVH building (especially in large open world games). Needs a bit more clock speed to chew through that, otherwise it's still enough until I'm ready to move to a new platform.
Mine can technically run at 1900MHz FCLK with 1 interconnect error corrected over hours of runtime; I just won't accept anything other than 0 errors. 2000MHz? Hundreds of errors within 2 minutes. Gah! That's based on quality of the organic substrate and wires linking CCD to IOD; so these are package based issues, although some IODs also have trouble running anything over 1600MHz FCLK and UCLK. APUs have an easier time running 2000MHz FCLK, as they're monolithic. Golden chips can hit 2000MHz and there are a few, but this is mainly what I wanted: higher quality substrate and taking advantage of mature lithography to offer some decent uplift.
My old 5900X could do 1900MHz FCLK, so ran memory at 3800MT/s (Sammy B-die kit). I was never able to get 0 errors at 2000MHz on this one either, but it tolerated 2000MHz with only tens of errors rather than hundreds. Slightly better quality CPU overall.
Man I'm so happy I bought a new PC recently. All these stories don't make me as anxious now that I am set for the next few years. It was definitely a panic buy, which probably is what they wanted too.
The only AM4 CPU that would be an immediate buy for me is a 5950X3D.
I've nearly bought a 5900XT/5950X when they were on sale multiple times, but I end up talking myself out of it because it would get me more threads for productivity but the same gaming performance, and I felt that money would be better spent on AM5.
But with AM5 being a terrible investment now, a 5950X3D would seal the deal for me. More threads and more gaming performance, and not having to buy DDR5.
I'd buy a 5700X3D or a 5800X3D at a fair price. Only got my 5800XT because I figured it was a good next best, which it is, but I'm pretty sure an X3D would boost my frames by a decent amount.
He’s not entirely wrong. Intel has done multiple backports before. The expense is in the engineering time, effort, EVT and compatibility testing (so many AM4 boards and chipsets), etc making it impractical, but it’s possible and sometimes can make sense.
Bring back the 5800x3D and my money is yours
Same. I missed the boat the last time before they got expensive.
5700X3D is pretty damn good too, i run it and it still works like a dream in pretty much most games.
Same here, the difference is minimal with a 5800X3D, and I'd wager if you don't have a 5090 it would be almost impossible to notice in the real world.
400 MHz is hardly "minimal".
The most noticeable and valuable (IMHO) improvement for X3D is 1% and 0.1% lows. It’s so much smoother; and this isn’t just for competitive games but also single player titles feel better too.
I’d take 120fps with perfect frametime consistency, over 240fps with 1% lows in the double digits any day.
That said, I agree that for mixed-usage (eg you often do video editing, code compilation, etc) then the difference between 5800X3D and 5700X3D is significant; 400MHz matters a lot for those sustained CPU-bound work.
The word "minimal" has meaning. a 10% difference is clocks is not minimal.
So I guess you agree.
of course it is.
this is not a 1GHz cpu vs a 1,4GHz cpu, if the real world max boost clock difference is just 10%, in gaming it is usually even less.
Worth it for 25% more money than they used to be? in my book, hell no.
Don't know the price difference today.
I don't think of a 10% difference in clock speed as anywhere close to "minimal".
That's just laughable.
Definitionally wrong, even.
don't know why you're stuck on the GHz number as the be all end all. https://www.techspot.com/review/2801-amd-ryzen-5700x3d/
just check the real world results, these CPUs are so close in games that you'd be hard pressed to find any situation where you'd ever notice a difference beyond looking at benchmark numbers.
You don't need to lie. Whree did say "be all end al". Why even bring the use of GHz up as a way to invalidate my view?
clock speed is a metric that is as or more viable a ,metric as anything. else.
REally weird argument by you.,
Words have meaning. Minimum is not being used correctly here. Gaming is also not the only performance concern. You're just wrong.
Anyways, wrong and boring. It's pointless to respond top your inevitable reply where you continue to not read and be wrong.
I have no idea what you're going on about mate, but you do you.
Have you tried ...reading? Too many words for your ...let's call it a brain?
Where did say I "be all end all"?
Again, you don't need to lie. But yeah, GHz is an extremely important metric.
And why the attempt to invalidate the very use of GHZ at all?
Like I said, REALLY weird argument from you. Just bizarre.
10% is literally DOUBLE the 5% which Hardware unboxed, and many others, use as a metric to say significant and a meaningful difference. Double. And gaming isn't everything, guy.
This is why I hate reddit . Users like you.
But "you do you" ( ugh, of course you are one of those people who uses that embarrassing and condescending phrase.
Why am I not surprised?
Snagging this cpu off aliexpress for cheap was a wild time
I fumbled the bag on this. hard.
Temps better also
Same here AMD
No! My 5809X3D and 64 gigs of RAM are going to fund my retirement!
DDR4 price has also shot up a lot. Maybe useful if you want to upgrade from your Intel Skylake and reuse that DDR4-2400 ram.
I have same DDR4-3200 since 2017, i'll upgrade to a 5950X3D if they launch that.
If they launch any x3d from am4, I'm buying, no matter which one is it since I'm in a 3600 with 32gb 3600mhz
Oh man. Yea you could drop a 5800X3D in that bad boy and be fine for several more years.
Fir sure, only thing I would also like to do is to move to a b550 from my b450, but that is o ly because I would like a second m.2 slot, but I could also invest into a bigger m.2
I'd get a 5800x3d in an instant
Amd, take my money
just get secondhanded at this point. I bought a 5900x. Very good chip for bioinformatics
used 5800x3d's are going for more than double their launch price. Other top of the line non-x3d non-G 5000 series CPUs are still available in stores. Like the 16cores 5900XT that was launched a year and half ago.
I would jump at one of those.
That would be a novel design on a now ~9 year old node. You're talking a 2027 launch for that even if they could do it and wanted to do it, and that CPU might have a lot of problems, need mandatory BIOS updates etc.
I'm not sure they even have much capacity reserved on 7 NM but at best they would relaunch a low capacity 5800X3D.
Oh i'd love to see that happen.
Same. I'll probably have the same setup for the next 5 years until it stops and then I'll just go sit on my porch and watch the sunset as I won't pay 10K+ for a computer all so some techbro can have fake AI.
Yeahb ut $300 for DDR4 is a lot better than the $1k DDR5 is starting to go for.
But if you know that $300 stick was $100, you will not buy it either. The only ram that is still cheap today is DDR3 (because it's too old, but the size is also smaller).
I think the appeal is more for people with existing DDR4 systems in place, which is a gigantic group.
I believe it’s absolutely huge too. I wish the steam hardware survey showed CPU names.
My little computa can still run 🤓
That's exactly what I want to do. 5800x3d and a 9060 xt
That's awesome. My 6700k wants to retire.
My Intel Skylake laptop uses DDR3L memory.
The thinking is that people already have DDR4.
Lol what's next they bring back DDR3?
Sure, but that ignores 2 factors:
DDR4 production might get restarted/expanded, since it uses older processes;
There’s plenty on the secondary market.
Just give us the 5700/5800X3D.
You’ll get 5900xt, 5800xt, 5600xt, and you’ll like it!
I already have a 5800xt... :/
Got the 5700X3D at launch to upgrade from my 3600, best upgrade I could have made and that thing is going to carry me for years.
AM4 is love.
AM4 is eternal.
Honestly, one of the best decisions AMD has made was to use the same sockets over multiple generations, it definitely accounts for a large share of brand loyalty here, because they don't screw over the consumer and ask him to invest in a new motherboard with each new CPU, everything just works.
Your statement kind of proves it, you made the upgrade within the same platform even though when 5700X3D came out you already had AM5 available, just with a way higher cost of a new motherboard and memory. I did much the same thing and i've been happy with this. It also helps that i did the same thing back in the AM3+ days too.
As long as AMD continues to make decisions like this that make things easy and helpful to consumers, they will continue to steamroll Intel and gain massive amounts of brand loyalty.
YES!
PLEEEEASE BRING BACK THE 5800x3D
Wait, I need to sell mine before prices drop
My uncle needs one
this, I'm desperate
DDR3 BABY! WE ARE SO BACK 😂
Ah yes, DDR3. Let me dust off my Olde 990FX AM3+ motherboarde.
Fx9850 bulldozer 😂
I still have my X58 board with an i7 920 in it.
Would be nice to get a tri-channel kit to actually XMP it.
Get an undervolted/overclocked Xeon X5650 in there. Cheap as hell now, and 12 threads of Westmere at ~4.2GHz is still a surprising amount of CPU power.
I still have an X58 Xeon pulling NAS/Home Assistant duty. You'd have to pry my X58 out of my cold dead hands. Best OC platform ever made and it broke my 5GHz cherry.
IMO don't bother with triple channel. It just ends up increasing power draw and DRAM latency due to the reduction in OC potential and it only benefits a few very specific workloads.
Aye, that CPU was the plan before I found myself in a better place and able to afford components from the current decade, I do think power draw is still pretty high regardless what goes into that full sized ATX board.
In the end, I’m likely going to sell the board+CPU+heatsink+ RAM it has, as I’ll never have a use for it as things currently stand.
Yeah, the power draw can get absolutely awful when OC'd. When I ran that build in my main on water w/ the X5650 @ 4.8GHz 1.442V the CPU alone would peak around a ridiculous ~320W. lol
I have an undervolted X5675 @ 3.3GHz 1.06V in it now (X5650 degraded after ~3 years) and surprisingly it's actually more power efficient at idle and low loads than my AM4 chiplet based builds (and about the same as my Ryzen 3 2200G @ 4GHz), so it has kept a spot among my fleet of junk.
If your socket is still in good shape and all memory channels work, I doubt you'll have much difficulty selling it. X58 still holds the record for the lowest I/O latency of literally any other platform before or since, so it still actually fills a weird superlative niche.
My 4x8GB 32GB DDR3-1866 4th gen Intel rig is still going strong! Competing against my 2x16GB 5800X lol
older CPUs they can't sell to AI datacenters, yeah. Now let us all say "thank you, AMD" with tears in our eyes.
And hat in our hands. Very important.
Yup, DIY is the dumping ground for AMD's leftover and reject EPYC dies. Now, let's see what type of refreshed Ryzen 5000 series products that AMD cooked up.
Ryzen 5000 series uses an older process node; different fab space.
I should have jumped on the 5800X3D bandwagon from my 3900X when prices were good. So I hope this fixes that. It wasn't *that* important as I tend to play 4K/60 not 1080p/240
I really hope they bring some back, i am still kicking myself for not buying the 5700x3D in November, it was still in stock here but I figured I would wait for a sale only to find out later after stock ran out that it was out of production
I seriously lucked out with my timing. £127 delivered from aliexpress and should have bought 2 more, one for a friend and one for my uncle. They rre scared by the fact it was Aliexpress. 2 months later and they were £180. Now they are way more.
I love my r7 5800xt! Going to use it till it burns out. Even if my mobo dies first.
I just bought one too for 200€ after my old 9th gen intel motherboard died on me. Still hurts to think about it but it performs well!
I'm just glad I bought 2 of the $150 5700X3Ds when they were on AliExpress last year.
absolute steal, I just bought for the same price 5700x ( non 3d fml )
They really are amazing chips. I ended up using one in my primary gaming rig and building a second for TV gaming.
If you're lucky in your cpu silicone and can run a 2ghz clock then synced ddr4 at 4000mhz has lower latency that unsynced ddr5 at stock jdec speeds. You'd get a bit more bandwidth but half the latency. You need to buy 6000mhz ddr5 to sync the infinity fabric and match the latency. Apparently it's noticeable in the 1% low frame rates.
Please bring back the 5700x3d and/or 5800x3d.
R9 5950x3d?
Surprise us with a 5950x3d
AMD doing the sensible thing? This might be wrong.
5950X3D: 16 cores, 2 CCDs both with 3D cache. Productize it!
We know you already made them before....
i'd laugh and be completely ok with a 5850x3d....
5850x3d incoming
If they can push clocks to 4900MHz with improved tech (only possible with lower voltages, ofc), I'd totally get one. My 5800X3D is finally hitting CPU-limited scenarios, usually involving RT's BVH building (especially in large open world games). Needs a bit more clock speed to chew through that, otherwise it's still enough until I'm ready to move to a new platform.
Our luck: 4575MHz! 1-2 cores. w00t -_-
Upgrading them with a new io die would be better, alot of it is limited by infinity fabric speeds.
Mine can technically run at 1900MHz FCLK with 1 interconnect error corrected over hours of runtime; I just won't accept anything other than 0 errors. 2000MHz? Hundreds of errors within 2 minutes. Gah! That's based on quality of the organic substrate and wires linking CCD to IOD; so these are package based issues, although some IODs also have trouble running anything over 1600MHz FCLK and UCLK. APUs have an easier time running 2000MHz FCLK, as they're monolithic. Golden chips can hit 2000MHz and there are a few, but this is mainly what I wanted: higher quality substrate and taking advantage of mature lithography to offer some decent uplift.
My old 5900X could do 1900MHz FCLK, so ran memory at 3800MT/s (Sammy B-die kit). I was never able to get 0 errors at 2000MHz on this one either, but it tolerated 2000MHz with only tens of errors rather than hundreds. Slightly better quality CPU overall.
Hope they are not too greedy with the pricing.
So what’s stopping AMD from slapping a 9800x3d chip onto an AM4 substrate?
Man I'm so happy I bought a new PC recently. All these stories don't make me as anxious now that I am set for the next few years. It was definitely a panic buy, which probably is what they wanted too.
The problem with RAM prices is not exclusive to DDR5. DDR4 prices have also shot up.
Although the possibility of being able to buy a 5800X3D brand new would be perfect for me since i'm still on the AM4 platform.
I just found out that I have 32gb of ddr4 3200 laying around. But without sufficient chipset I cannot build a new pc.
5950X3D or nothing
https://i.redd.it/9sqyv4thuicg1.gif
Except DDR4 is out of production?
Yes but many are still running on DDR4 and previous gen Ryzen processors like the 2000 and 3000 series.
My 5950X is an absolute beast that dominates everything I throw at it, and is among the most efficient CPUs ever built by performance per watt.
man I just bought a 5700x because I thought I could never but a 5800x3d, don't tell me this right now 😭😭
Well they were the one forcing us to buy ddr5 in first instance, intel was compatible with ddr4 and ddr5
The only AM4 CPU that would be an immediate buy for me is a 5950X3D.
I've nearly bought a 5900XT/5950X when they were on sale multiple times, but I end up talking myself out of it because it would get me more threads for productivity but the same gaming performance, and I felt that money would be better spent on AM5.
But with AM5 being a terrible investment now, a 5950X3D would seal the deal for me. More threads and more gaming performance, and not having to buy DDR5.
I'd buy a 5700X3D or a 5800X3D at a fair price. Only got my 5800XT because I figured it was a good next best, which it is, but I'm pretty sure an X3D would boost my frames by a decent amount.
Here’s hoping, would love to grab a 5800X3D or 5700X3D for somewhat sensible prices.
Somehow, AM4 returns. 😂😂😂 That would be so goated.
AM4 socket will be a good option again!
Phenom CPU but add all modern instruction set.
They could just port the newer architectures to AM4, and/or put a DDR4 memory controller in the newer AM5 chips, but nooooo
Thats not how any of that works, dude.
Shhhhhh
He’s not entirely wrong. Intel has done multiple backports before. The expense is in the engineering time, effort, EVT and compatibility testing (so many AM4 boards and chipsets), etc making it impractical, but it’s possible and sometimes can make sense.
Owning a powerful PC is going to become a luxury few have., let's enjoy it before the only option is to rent computing or gaming in the cloud.