self-competition is a real thing. If you sell 8 variations of the same thing you're increasing your overhead by managing a bunch of SKUs and reducing sales by confusing customers
This is highly likely.
AMD simply is too good and they are waiting and delaying and milking current X3D options.
The minute Intel has something remotely close you’ll see new releases.
the existance has been known for awhile. private overclockers have been known to have had engineering samples of them i think reported on GN, as well as the cpu had actual benchmark leaks for an ID existance.
Not all products are released, but its hard to deny they didn't exist.
So many people don't realize this. Remember when the roadmap for an Nvidia board partner leaked shortly after the 30 series launch and the 20gb 3080 was on it? It never actually materialized but recently someone posted an engineering sample of it.
If I were to guess, why charge a lower amount now when AMD can charge a higher amount later. And probably, even the 7800x3d is faster than the competition in gaming so AMD just doesn't have competition when it comes to gaming.
With how inaccessible RAM is becoming to consumers, I'd sooner believe it's canceled because it's a niche, expensive product that people are going to be priced out of. They can't sell it for more later if RAM keeps climbing to a point where no one considers buying DDR5-based PCs worth the cost.
9950X3D2 will be a weird product. It will have same gaming performance and need CCD parking just like 9950X3D. Adding cache to the second CCD does not help the cross CCD latency.
It only does CPU render and other ram bottlenecked compute workloads faster. And those workloads runs much better with a threadripper or EPYC.
7000 -> 8000 -> 200 renaming bullshit to trick consumers
Now 300 -> 400 more renaming bullshit.
AMD isn't releasing anything relevant in the mobile space so they just keep renaming shit. There is small wonder intel is simply superior in every aspect of mobile computing
... now if only they can put out a game focus desktop chip they will stop losing buyers there
I bought 32 GB DDR4 ram in 9th of June last year for 101 e. Just checked the price of that exact same kit from where I bought it and it's now 303 e. Really drove home how insane the prices are getting.
Also looking at price charts, it seems my timing was pretty good, since price for DDR4 shot up in mid June and has kept rising since. So, I probably should also mention, I ordered a new GPU on Sunday.
Redid my comp just this past week (9800x3D, 32GB RAM, etc.) and helped some family on that front with redoing hardware or picking out new laptops. Prices are higher than I like but some of the builds were going on their 8-9th year of operation. Better to eat the cost of DDR5 now when it's at local stores for about 200-300, than be forced to eat it later in the year when stuffs more apocalyptic. The 5800x3D I swapped out in my build already sells for more than a new 9800x3D on ebay judging by listings.
Some friends are also swapping their GPUs while they are still MSRP.
Remember, it's AMD. Their marketing people generally cannot allow themselves to have a consistent naming scheme for more than 2 generations. Plus there probably was an order from the top to integrate "AI" somehow so it's even more visible.
Tbf the strix point architecture is so leaps and bounds ahead of the 8000s laptop APUs they might as well rebrand, 8060S has frankly ridiculous performance when compared to previous gen iGPUs
Isn't this almost every computer part/peripheral manufacturer and in general a lot of companies that do this to confuse the consumer to make them take bad choices.
G is supposed to be a much better iGPU, the main 7000 series desktop has 2CU RDNA2 while the 780M in the 8700G is 12CU at a higher boost clock. They're usually refered to as APUs rather than iGPUs.
When AMD puts laptop apus onto a am5 socket they will just use the laptop chip name instead of making up a new half generation line. Last generation they had 7000 and 8000g. It looks like they ran out of numbers and could not do 10000g after ryzen 9000
I'm currently using a 3400G Vega 11. My next upgrade, once RAM is cheaper, would be the top-of-the-line G series. Are integrated graphics going to disappear? I'm confused.
The thing is standard businesses aren't buying products because they have AI branding. AI branding is just tech bro circlejerk bs designed to give the venture capitalists their dopamine hit so they give the company more money to continue this charade.
I will, I bought RAM before the price hike. The only thing left is to either get the 8700G or this 400G. I'm building a living room PC in a 21x21x11cm case and I want to be able to play games locally while also be able to stream more demanding games onto it from my actual gaming PC
The problem is these brandings aren't for consumers, they are for shareholders - because shareholders, despite having a lot of money, are all monkey brained idiots who get dopamine hits every time they see the word AI.
So it sounds like the 400G (formerly thought to be 9700G) is basically a refresh of the HX370 mobile chip with a little more than double the default TDP. I wonder if that means an increased GPU frequency (both 8700G and HX370 are at 2900MHz).
I’m a fan of the idea of edge ai… but I feel like no one has actually made anything official for it. Why bother with the hardware when the software rn is basically webcam stuff
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Words cannot describe how much I hate the fact we're being forced into having this garbage in every piece of software and on every piece of hardware. I don't want copilot in my word processor, I don't want Amazon Q in my IDE, I don't want Gemini in my search results, I don't want AFMF or FSR in my drivers, and I don't want NPTs in my processors.
darn, i was really hoping to get a better 7 8700G type cpu
now with ddr5 and graphic cards getting so insanely priced.
if this 400G will not run on most 7000/8000/9000 mobos
then what desktop pc will bother hosting such a chip?
personal AI makes no sense for consumers, as it won't
buy you more privacy, and performance will always be
cheaper by cloud subscription versus buying hardware.
i think AMD has misjudged where market needs will go.
there will be too many PC buyers who can't afford both
ddr5 ram and a mid range GPU card with 16gb ability,
so if you gave them a CPU+iGPU at a premium price,
it saves on the card buy, so they will buy more ram,
and bonus; that PC will consume less energy (less co2).
amd needed to give us an 9700G - and they blew it.
That aside what happened to the rumored 9950X3D2? That did not materialize correct? Just the 9850X3D?
Probably canceled to two limited to no competition there's no need to release it.
Maybe it will be another Microcenter exclusive. :-)
If it is just shows they couldn't produce them in any type of quantity.
Counter to the reddit hiveminds beliefs Microcenter doesn't even serve 1/4th of the United States.
The fact they don't ship makes it worse.
However, that's also what allows them to avoid the scammers when new products launch and to give their deals.
All of which I'm OK with.
Microcenter my beloved, just picked up an open box 7800X3D from them today.
I got a 7600X3D the other week for my living room gaming box. It will no doubt still be GPU limited, but it was pretty inexpensive for an AM5 chip.
It's a bizarre decision to cancel something like that because of competition when there wasn't competition in the first place.
self-competition is a real thing. If you sell 8 variations of the same thing you're increasing your overhead by managing a bunch of SKUs and reducing sales by confusing customers
Managing a bunch of SKUs and confusing customers has basically been AMD's entire mobile strategy.
This is highly likely. AMD simply is too good and they are waiting and delaying and milking current X3D options. The minute Intel has something remotely close you’ll see new releases.
According to computerbase.de AMD comfirmed it: https://www-computerbase-de.translate.goog/news/prozessoren/x3d2-bestaetigt-der-amd-ryzen-9-9950x3d2-mit-doppeltem-3d-v-cache-kommt.95665/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
They just didn't announce it.
They probably want a softer announcement of the 9950x3D2. Because it won't make games run faster.
Moore's Law is Dead channel lol
the existance has been known for awhile. private overclockers have been known to have had engineering samples of them i think reported on GN, as well as the cpu had actual benchmark leaks for an ID existance.
Not all products are released, but its hard to deny they didn't exist.
So many people don't realize this. Remember when the roadmap for an Nvidia board partner leaked shortly after the 30 series launch and the 20gb 3080 was on it? It never actually materialized but recently someone posted an engineering sample of it.
Stay tuned.
If I were to guess, why charge a lower amount now when AMD can charge a higher amount later. And probably, even the 7800x3d is faster than the competition in gaming so AMD just doesn't have competition when it comes to gaming.
With how inaccessible RAM is becoming to consumers, I'd sooner believe it's canceled because it's a niche, expensive product that people are going to be priced out of. They can't sell it for more later if RAM keeps climbing to a point where no one considers buying DDR5-based PCs worth the cost.
There are plenty of AM5 owners who already own what they need and will upgrade
9950X3D2 will be a weird product. It will have same gaming performance and need CCD parking just like 9950X3D. Adding cache to the second CCD does not help the cross CCD latency.
It only does CPU render and other ram bottlenecked compute workloads faster. And those workloads runs much better with a threadripper or EPYC.
amd trying to not have a dogshit naming scheme challenge (impossible)
It's basically the whole industry right now, intel 300 pantherlake series cpus are just as confusing as amd' cpus
Yes and no
Intel is making NEW chips.
AMD is, as per usual, literally just renaming their old shit
Is it? This is successor to the APU 300 series. 400 seems like a rather logical decision. This isn’t meant succeed the CPU 9000 series.
Because they named the previously mobile to desktop series the 8000 lineup.
I'm guessing this is also how AMD is going to rename the next Zen6 desktop series then, making it the 500 AI series.
We will see people upgrading from Ryzen 7 5800X3D to Ryzen AI 580X3D.
and pull out their rx 580 for memes
7000 -> 8000 -> 200 renaming bullshit to trick consumers
Now 300 -> 400 more renaming bullshit.
AMD isn't releasing anything relevant in the mobile space so they just keep renaming shit. There is small wonder intel is simply superior in every aspect of mobile computing
... now if only they can put out a game focus desktop chip they will stop losing buyers there
Another year another AMD Marketing fuck up
not for them its not. now they can charge more
Yeah end-users and consumers sure love... "AI" plastered all over everything. Especially when OpenAI and co. are why everything costs too damn much.
I bought 32 GB DDR4 ram in 9th of June last year for 101 e. Just checked the price of that exact same kit from where I bought it and it's now 303 e. Really drove home how insane the prices are getting.
Also looking at price charts, it seems my timing was pretty good, since price for DDR4 shot up in mid June and has kept rising since. So, I probably should also mention, I ordered a new GPU on Sunday.
Redid my comp just this past week (9800x3D, 32GB RAM, etc.) and helped some family on that front with redoing hardware or picking out new laptops. Prices are higher than I like but some of the builds were going on their 8-9th year of operation. Better to eat the cost of DDR5 now when it's at local stores for about 200-300, than be forced to eat it later in the year when stuffs more apocalyptic. The 5800x3D I swapped out in my build already sells for more than a new 9800x3D on ebay judging by listings.
Some friends are also swapping their GPUs while they are still MSRP.
So the G series APU's are dead?
Naming scheme yes, CPUs probably not.
Remember, it's AMD. Their marketing people generally cannot allow themselves to have a consistent naming scheme for more than 2 generations. Plus there probably was an order from the top to integrate "AI" somehow so it's even more visible.
Job security for their marketing team lol, needless and confusing name scheme changes every so often 😅
AIMD RAIDEON 9 AI MAIX x400xt (AI+ edtion)
Getting close to going with an actual r/ayymd CPU name
Tbf the strix point architecture is so leaps and bounds ahead of the 8000s laptop APUs they might as well rebrand, 8060S has frankly ridiculous performance when compared to previous gen iGPUs
The G naming scheme has existed since zen+, so I dunno wtf you’re yapping about. Ryzen AI has also been a thing for years now.
Isn't this almost every computer part/peripheral manufacturer and in general a lot of companies that do this to confuse the consumer to make them take bad choices.
Aren't they just moving to most everything having an iGPU, like Intel?
That was kinda the whole reason for the G, I thought...
G is supposed to be a much better iGPU, the main 7000 series desktop has 2CU RDNA2 while the 780M in the 8700G is 12CU at a higher boost clock. They're usually refered to as APUs rather than iGPUs.
G = gaming, otherwise the non-g 7000 processors would also be G because they have graphics
When AMD puts laptop apus onto a am5 socket they will just use the laptop chip name instead of making up a new half generation line. Last generation they had 7000 and 8000g. It looks like they ran out of numbers and could not do 10000g after ryzen 9000
AI just means it has an NPU, there will likely still be budget SKUs without.
I'm currently using a 3400G Vega 11. My next upgrade, once RAM is cheaper, would be the top-of-the-line G series. Are integrated graphics going to disappear? I'm confused.
you'll be lucky to get a 5600GT if AMD doesn't start producing new AMD Renoir processors (mainly used for laptops)
AI laptops... AI processors... urgh, make it end already. :(
Who's going to buy them when the RAM costs more than the CPU?
Individuals no, but businesses on fixed upgrade cycles and people who desperately need one would just pay the price anyway.
The thing is standard businesses aren't buying products because they have AI branding. AI branding is just tech bro circlejerk bs designed to give the venture capitalists their dopamine hit so they give the company more money to continue this charade.
I will, I bought RAM before the price hike. The only thing left is to either get the 8700G or this 400G. I'm building a living room PC in a 21x21x11cm case and I want to be able to play games locally while also be able to stream more demanding games onto it from my actual gaming PC
Funny thing is Dell of all companies have started pointed out how marketing PCs as AI is backfiring.
The problem is these brandings aren't for consumers, they are for shareholders - because shareholders, despite having a lot of money, are all monkey brained idiots who get dopamine hits every time they see the word AI.
Just wait until Zen 6 and we get the Ryxen AI 7 580X3D.
Ryzen has been around for too long, AMD has to find a new name for Zen 6 !
So it sounds like the 400G (formerly thought to be 9700G) is basically a refresh of the HX370 mobile chip with a little more than double the default TDP. I wonder if that means an increased GPU frequency (both 8700G and HX370 are at 2900MHz).
i want AMD CPU which has 16 core with at least 50 TOPS NPU and 128MB 3D V cache
The only AMD chip that comes to my mind that would fit those requirements (according to rumours) is Medusa Halo, expected to be released in 2027.
I’m a fan of the idea of edge ai… but I feel like no one has actually made anything official for it. Why bother with the hardware when the software rn is basically webcam stuff
Ryzen AI for desktop is nice. I would love a CPU with both 3d vcache and an NPU.
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Wow, the processor literally no one asked for.. Thanks AMD..
Words cannot describe how much I hate the fact we're being forced into having this garbage in every piece of software and on every piece of hardware. I don't want copilot in my word processor, I don't want Amazon Q in my IDE, I don't want Gemini in my search results, I don't want AFMF or FSR in my drivers, and I don't want NPTs in my processors.
Title should be:
There will be no AM5 option for a Zen5 Apu.
Because AI400 is FPU8 only
darn, i was really hoping to get a better 7 8700G type cpu
now with ddr5 and graphic cards getting so insanely priced.
if this 400G will not run on most 7000/8000/9000 mobos
then what desktop pc will bother hosting such a chip?
personal AI makes no sense for consumers, as it won't
buy you more privacy, and performance will always be
cheaper by cloud subscription versus buying hardware.
https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/dells-ces-2026-chat-was-the-most-pleasingly-un-ai-briefing-ive-had-in-maybe-5-years/
i think AMD has misjudged where market needs will go.
there will be too many PC buyers who can't afford both
ddr5 ram and a mid range GPU card with 16gb ability,
so if you gave them a CPU+iGPU at a premium price,
it saves on the card buy, so they will buy more ram,
and bonus; that PC will consume less energy (less co2).
amd needed to give us an 9700G - and they blew it.
they dont care, and they wont waste a waffle to make low market chip.
So what was MSI up to?
https://videocardz.com/pixel/msi-releases-agesa-pre-1-3-0-0-with-microcode-update-for-upcoming-ryzen-9000g
This means that the other cpu's are gonna be cheaper and available? Right? Right?
Copilot+ focused processors
Yokatta i didnt wait for it