I work in a pc shop and realistically, itās probably 70%+. And those that dont buy the 9800 usually settle for the 7800, or have a use case for the 9950x3d. The 7700/9700x is basically dead to consumers and, at least recently, the average 7600x buyer has been priced out due to ram being so expensive.
They will though, the gap between generation is slowly getting bigger...like GPU's. Back over 10 years ago, a new generation came out in less than a year, now it's over 2 years for cpu and gpu.
Why does it always have to be money and āno senseā haha. That shit always kills me. People act like buying a CPU upgrade must mean youāre a millionaire š. I can buy that CPU when it releases and think nothing of it but Iām no rich guy. Itās like $600 not $25,000.
It used to cost $2000 for a normal laptop (and weāve had lots of inflation since then) so spending $400 on a 9800x3d feels cheap even if people fret about the cost. Obviously itās a fortune to some people but itās actually a lot cheaper than computers used to be.
Given my hands on experience with the 9800x3D in most cases even turning on eco mode doesn't cost any tangible gaming perf. So higher clocks literally would be pointless for most people.
Great for you mate. Having $600 of disposable income is not common for a lot of people around the world. Maybe in a sheltered world view that seems common place. But your statement reeks of the arrested development quote.
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When the MacBook Pro was introduced exactly 20 years ago, it cost either $1999 or $2499. If you bought the cheapest one, thatās $3,214 today after inflation.
When I look at the difference between a last generation top of the line CPU (7800x3d for $330) or the current one (9800x3d for $400) and I see itās only $70 itās incredibly cheap compared to the $3,214 I used to spend to upgrade to a new computer (mostly for the CPU)
No one said everyone can or should buy it, but computers have gotten MUCH cheaper over the decades. In this case I chose the 7800x3d as I plan to upgrade to a better AM5 chip in a few years when AM6 releases.
Pretty much. Remember that the main advantages of the 9800X3D over the 7800X3D are the ability to OC, slightly better temps and slightly higher clocks (500MHz base and 200MHz boost). The FPS difference in anything is minimal between the 2. The difference between the 9800X3D and 9850X3D will be miniscule.
Edit: Anyone that is down voting this has zero idea what they are on about. The 7800X3D and 9800X3D offer simialr performance. There is a difference but it is hardly worth noting. This new chip is nothing but an overclocked 9800X3D and those few hundred more MHz are not going to make it somehow much faster. The one area that a 9800X3D really shines over its predecessor is multi-core performance.
Pretty much. Remember that the main advantages of the 9800X3D over the 7800X3D are the ability to OC, slightly better temps and slightly higher clocks (500MHz base and 200MHz boost). The FPS difference in anything is minimal between the 2.
Zen5 x3d is >30% faster than Zen4 x3d on Satisfactory and BG3
Okay but the overall average tested by hardware Unboxed is still 10%, only in niche cases and specific games does Zen 5 blow away Zen 4. Most of the time the architectures perform extremely similarly, it was called Zen 5% for a reason.
It was 11.4% on the day one review, but that number is low for several reasons. Firstly and most importantly, some of the tested scenarios are GPU bound rather than CPU bound, and that biases towards null results.
Secondly, it was before the massive shakeup from Win11 24H2 which increased windows gaming performance by >10% and increased the zen4 x3d to zen5 x3d delta by at least a few %.
It's also using overclocked profiles on both - but not an OC which benefits from the several aspects of zen 5's increased OC headroom.
Most of the time you will indeed see more like 15-20% but it is also important to note that the >+30% outliers exist. I put 1300 hours into Satisfactory personally already on zen4x3d and zen5 x3d, and if you're one of those guys then you often don't really care if Tomb Raider only went up 12%. You just want to know that Z5 x3d runs your game 32% faster than OC'd Z4 x3d, and about 2x as fast as spec Z4 x3d.
That kind of info is critical to getting the best experience in your niche, that Z5 does or doesn't matter a lot there, if OC scaling is huge or small, etc.
I think you're really under selling the increase in 1% lows. Those can see an increase as big as 50% in some cases and are usually in the 15-20% range. 1% lows are more important than average fps. The upgrade is significant over the 7800X3D and the 9850X3D will only increase the gap.
If you don't trust me or media like gamersnexus then you can bench it yourself. There's more, those are just the two with +30-32% scaling out of the 8ish games that i play. Lowest was +15% (Factorio). Above that there was WoW, FFXIV, BG3, Stellaris, Riftbreaker, Satisfactory and SC2; you'll find other reviewers agreeing generally with those too.
I tested 7950x3d vs 9950x3d on Win11 24H2 with each CCD in one CCD mode, with both, and with and without OC's to learn about the archs and program scaling.
If you actually listened to what he says in that video, about the BG3 results, he says "a larger than typical gain".
While there are some one-off titles that do have a performance gain, it is the exception rather than the rule. Also, you need to decide which processor you are on about because you keep switching between 9950X3D and 9800X3D, which are two different parts.
Fact remains that there is in 99% of cases, a minimal advantage when going from a 7-X3D to a 9X3D. One-off cases do exist but not many.
Yeah but also if you donāt why not just get the cheaper 9800x3d? 2% improvement is nothing, and I doubt this thing will cost the same Iām expecting a $100 up price
Not to mention extra heat and the ongoing issues the 9800x3d already has. Honestly I went for the more trusted 7800x3d recently as they barely increased from that
Not necessarily. There's a realm where the extra mhz matters but you don't need a 9950x3d. Admittadly it probably doesn't apply to many, but people act like there is no chance of that being the case.
Also that there is no announced release date for Zen 6, let alone x3d Zen 6. So while you could do the decades-old - just wait for new product - there is something to be said for just buying the thing that will give you a benefit today.
There's a realm where the extra mhz matters but you don't need a 9950x3d.
I think CS2 and R6S players already hit high enough frames. Even losing mhz turning on eco mode with a 9800x3D doesn't seem to impact heavy AAAs much from what I've seen.
Yes but it's gonna cost substantially more than the improvement it delivers, it's always the same with these higher binned chips, they withhold perfectly fine CPUs from going on sale and apply a useless OC that those who want it can just do it by themselves to sell them for a higher price.
If we just take the actual listed prices we have so far it's 20% more than current asking price for 9800X3D's for maybe 5% avg uplift in FPS. That is a substantial price increase for sure. Anything but the same price/perf is bad in PC hardware, has always been.
And these days that 80 or 100$ difference is huge. Wont even cover the new RAM prices.
Where are you looking at actual listed prices that say it's 20% more? At least in Amazon 9800X3D is at 500 while Newegg has it at $470. The MSRP of the 9850X3D is $510 from what's being leaked around CES, that's far from a 20% price increase.
Currently listed for 430 at microcenter, which i assume is the goto for US. The "leaked" listing price was 511-550. So i just called that 20% since that upper limit is most likely bogus.
It gets worse for EU customers since the chip hasn't been at MSRP for a year. It even got steep discounts around black friday - so if you take that into account it just looks even worse. But if i had to guess, I would say discounts on PC hardware is gonna be harder to come by in 2026.
People would definitely want microcenter, but probably only 10% of people have good access to it. Everything seemingly is really cheap there. As for EU customers though, good for you that you have it so cheap, but Black Friday prices really isn't representative of the launch comparison. MSRP comparison are more used because that doesn't move at all, it depends on the stores themselves what discounts or price gouging they actually do. At least for CPU there isn't any "false" MSRP like GPUs. So for most of the US the 9850X3D only really is $20 more expensive. Hopefully it will bring the 9800X3D to $400 and that definitely is the better value, but that speaks more to the price cuts on the 9800X3D and not what the launch price of the 9850X3D is. No manufacturer uses a current price of a product to price their future products, they usually use the MSRP.
For AMD CPU's especially they are usually so discounted by the time a refresh comes out, they basically immediately go on sale and stay there for the rest of their lifecycle. Most, at least honest reviewers, also use current market prices for price/perf comparisons. And that is in large part why Zen 5 got such a beating at launch. It's basically a meme at this point which I'm sure you're aware.
And It's not like it's particularly cheap either, if you convert the typical EU price it's ~550$. MSRP being ~640$. Not a fantastic price considering the age of the part but these are different times with AMD being the market leader.
Or as the product process matures they are able to get more chips that are capable of running at higher frequencies so it justifies splitting them off as a higher SKU. Mostly happens with GPU refreshes (IIRC, off the top of my head) but I don't see why the same wouldn't apply.
If you have a 9800X3D and want this, it might just be worth it to try and overclock it. Not all will make it but it's also only a few hundred MHz difference.
I have a 9700x and will be careless unless the 3D reaches 250-300 ā¬. The 7800X3D was like 350 new once, used prices around 300. Why is the 9000 so expensive even now? And its hardly better because I have a 9800 with 32 instead of 96 MB L3 already. But likely a new GPU would improve more and that is neither obtainable, its good to save because Zen 6 is on the horizon. Maybe I would even buy non 3D again if performance is promising, in the end raw performance matters while the 3D cache benefits only a few use cases and RT, but its not a day and night difference. My CPU may have some more drops than a 3D but its still among the fastest gaming options and performs like a 14900K in video games.
Read somewhere it was bad batch of bios chips on these boards, with a chance a specific bit flips affects power delivery or voltage and pops CPU - that seems logical to me given the inconsistent nature.
Is fascinating a majority are 9800X3D's though .
Yeah, I've had a 9950X3D since launch and had aggressive PBO, working fine on a B850 Steel Legend. It was exceedingly rare and overblown, but you'll hear from tons of people who never had an ASRock board that you should never buy one again.
Yes, that field is the CPUID string reported by the CPU itself. The regular X3D reports as "AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D 16-Core Processor".
EDIT: The CPUID brand string can be altered after boot on AMD CPUs, so it's not definitive, but cheating is highly unlikely: basically the only ones who could pull it off are those with a dual-V-Cache chip (perhaps an engineering sample) that reports a different brand string. since the cache amounts on these benchmarks are correct for what would be expected from the X3D2.
Wait, what do you mean, are there M.2 limitations with AMD? I've been looking at upgrading relatively soon, but I have four M.2 drives - will I have an issue with this?
Its not just AMD. It plagues consumer chipsets in general. Neither intel nor AMD have enough PCI lanes IMO. You can't just glance at a motherboard with say 3 or 5 m.2 slots and expect to use them all at once because there aren't enough lanes to populate every slot on the motherboard. Its been a problem ever since m.2 nvme became popular.
On many boards, once you populate the 2nd or 3rd m.2 slot, depending on the chipset being used, you'll lose access to the 2nd X16 slot entirely as at that point you've already utilized all of the pci express lanes available. In addition, a lot of boards will at the same time drop your GPU lanes down to 8x or 4x once you've added a 2nd or 3rd nvme drive.
If you plan on using a mini-itx board its not so much a problem because typically they only have one x16 slot and a few m.2 slots. So in total you're talking say 20 to 24 pci-e lanes between your GPU and 1-2 x4 m.2 drives. On full ATX is where you often need to make compromises. Its really annoying especially if you're looking at high end boards that are often expensive and have 4 or more m.2 slots. It rarely makes sense to go full ATX these days imo. If you want a full size board and the ability to utilize everything at once you're essentially pushed to a threadripper build.
Fine with binned chiplets but I hope they do the same for the I/O die too. Unless Zen 6 is coming this year, they could've done a refresh of Zen 5 with a newer I/O die - faster memory, higher FCLK & lower power consumption!
Oh yeah, the iGPU & Media Engine section needs an upgrade for sure, not to mention adding an NPU for the bloody AI tick mark for the investors. Leaving the GPU/ME unchanged until Zen 6 would make sense though, like get the most performance uplift with minimal work.
The way things are going it looks like AMD won't respond until the Core Ultra 300 desktop release are imminent. Just hope they make all those changes to the I/O die for Zen 6 & maybe add the C or efficiency cores to that die too.
Out of all the comments on Reddit, this is the one you decided to call out? I'm not the first to suggest that AM4 chips should go back into production.
You do know by bringing back an older product in production means that it will take space in the fabrication plants and so they'd have to stop production of their current and future products right? Or are you just being idiotic and think that these just suddenly poof into existence?
To be fair, it does look like the performance difference will be bigger with the 9850X3D than on the KS series. But we'll see later this month when the first reviews are out.
I'm sure Hardware Unboxed will rip them a new one if it's just a factory overclocked chip for a price premium, but rumors seem to suggest it will cost the same as the 9800X3D costs now.
Can you achieve the same on the 9800X3D with an overclock? Never tried overclocking mine, never felt I needed more performance, but it would be interesting if the 9850X3D is just a factory overclocked CPU like Intel's KS CPU's.
Do as your edit says. You're gonna probably notice nearly nothing unless a game is mega super CPU heavy or you upgrade to a 5090. Some games that are super CPU heavy may not be bottlenecked by cache either, single core speed still holds true for some.
Yeah, the upgrade from a 9700X to a 9850X3D is probably not gonna be very noticeable, unless he plays in 1080p and mostly games that are known to benefit from the Vcache.
I'd wait for Zen 6 too, if the rumors are true they're gonna be 12 core CCD's instead of 8, which would be a massive upgrade. But again, this is just a rumor.
I'm currently have an I9-10850k and am feeling quite a bit of cpu bottleneck at 1440p. I was on the fence for a long while and sprung for a 9800x3d today, I can decide to return it if I'd like, should I? I managed to snag a kit of 64 gb 6000mhz cl30 ddr5 and a decently priced 5080. I'm unsure whether I should have waited for either this, a small price drop of the 9800 or have waited for zen 6, all of it is still on the way
Cashing out on the value of the 5800x3d now so I can be on the am5 platform, getting 9800x3d, and will probably sell if zen 6 is worth it for me. Love how much these x3d cpu's have held value.
I had a few crashes when I got mine, then I remembered I had daisy chained my PSU cables. I fixed that and have not had a single crash since.
The 9070XT is a fantastic beast of a card, and quite cheap right now. If I was in the market for a new GPU, I would get one now, I wouldn't wait any longer. Chances are GPU's are gonna get real expensive soon.
Latest drivers seem kinda weird on my computer but I rolled back to October and I've been flawless since. I'll probably install the next new driver version and hope it runs well.
Wonder if it's an RDNA 3 issue. For me the biggest issue is using discord streams while tarkov was running. It would crash so bad it took out windows and fried the drivers. Had to safe mode, DDU, then reinstall October drivers.
Itās only a refresh it seems like. 2-3% performance increase is literally nothing. You can simply undervolt and adjust the boost clock to get to this level of performance increase for free.
This isn't for people with a 9800X3D though, more for people planning to upgrade as another choice if they want the best of the best at a price premium (probably not good value) or if they're fine "settling" for the 9800X3D.
Yeah, but the problem is, this is competing with the 9800x3d and has to have a worthwhile value proposition. If it's just higher tested silicon with a higher factory clock and more power draw, am I really going to buy it over hitting 5.5 on a 9800x3d under the same settings for less money?
Probably not you or me, but more people just wanna get the "higher number" without checking specs a la 14900ks over 14900k. GPU really only has the premium performance with the halo product for gaming.
Saw the CES leaks, it's definitely worth it with it only being $20 more expensive than a 9800X3D. Hard to believe anyone buying a new AM5 system to cheap out on the $20 instead of just getting the 9850X3D. I'd still personally recommend a 7800X3D instead for more than $100 cheaper, but people looking at a 9800X3D definitely will wait for the release of the 9850X3D. Only problem is since these are higher binned 9800X3D in reality, supplies might be extremely limited.
These kind of products are never designed for sensible buyers. The goal is to keep an halo gaming product and solidify the halo gaming price tier, while being more aggressive (than now) on the 9800x3D.
It's never really a good idea to upgrade to one model higher than what you have. You won't see much performance difference that way. People who do that have lots of spare cash to burn.
Yup. Only exception is if you have a family member or friend who would use your current part. Otherwise there's no point.
Or if you have a change in use cases -- e.g. if you start doing video editing and not just pure gaming, then upgrading from 9800X3D to 9950X3D for more cores would make sense.
So everyone is missing the point. If you already have a 9800x3d - this literally isn't for you.
Not really for anyone except those with more money than sense. You likely got Zen 6 later this year also š¤·āāļø
Has amd released the x3d cpus the same time as the x cpus? If youre looking for vcache, youd probably be waiting until next year
For zen 5, they released them about 2-3 months later, so within the same year.
Oh okay. Nice, sounds like amd is moving in the right direction with their releases
The only reason they did release so close to each other was because the zen 5 X versions were flopping really hard on sales.Ā
You can't prove without evidence that wasn't just a coincidence.Ā Ā
They weren't a great step up, but do you actually have sales numbers
There was actual public sales numbers, in this video they share some:Ā https://youtu.be/dKtUJ2nDxZo?si=gzjXe1nvDgQDHpnz
Today Zen5 sales are composed 90% from 9800X3D
90% seems fake and sourced from a bad source like mindfactory
There is no way 90% of cpu sales are that expensive
I work in a pc shop and realistically, itās probably 70%+. And those that dont buy the 9800 usually settle for the 7800, or have a use case for the 9950x3d. The 7700/9700x is basically dead to consumers and, at least recently, the average 7600x buyer has been priced out due to ram being so expensive.
If 12 core ccds are real Iām selling my 5800X3D the moment its confirmed
If 12 core ccds are real then Iād be selling my 9800x3d for one lol
Nah, zen 6 gonna be launched next year
yeah pretty sure its 2027
They are not going three years without a new Zen release. Zen 5 was back in 2024.
They will though, the gap between generation is slowly getting bigger...like GPU's. Back over 10 years ago, a new generation came out in less than a year, now it's over 2 years for cpu and gpu.
Zen6 X3D will not release until 2027, guaranteed. We MIGHT see vanilla Zen 6 around Christmas of this year.
or someone who wants a gaming PC before ālater this yearā you realize itās only January so later this year could be nearly a full year from now
Why does it always have to be money and āno senseā haha. That shit always kills me. People act like buying a CPU upgrade must mean youāre a millionaire š. I can buy that CPU when it releases and think nothing of it but Iām no rich guy. Itās like $600 not $25,000.
still huge money to drop for a cpu dude, you may not be rich...but still you are not a poor guy ahahha
It used to cost $2000 for a normal laptop (and weāve had lots of inflation since then) so spending $400 on a 9800x3d feels cheap even if people fret about the cost. Obviously itās a fortune to some people but itās actually a lot cheaper than computers used to be.
Given my hands on experience with the 9800x3D in most cases even turning on eco mode doesn't cost any tangible gaming perf. So higher clocks literally would be pointless for most people.
Great for you mate. Having $600 of disposable income is not common for a lot of people around the world. Maybe in a sheltered world view that seems common place. But your statement reeks of the arrested development quote.
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When the MacBook Pro was introduced exactly 20 years ago, it cost either $1999 or $2499. If you bought the cheapest one, thatās $3,214 today after inflation.
When I look at the difference between a last generation top of the line CPU (7800x3d for $330) or the current one (9800x3d for $400) and I see itās only $70 itās incredibly cheap compared to the $3,214 I used to spend to upgrade to a new computer (mostly for the CPU)
No one said everyone can or should buy it, but computers have gotten MUCH cheaper over the decades. In this case I chose the 7800x3d as I plan to upgrade to a better AM5 chip in a few years when AM6 releases.
And just by selling the old one you gain most of that money back
Considering how riddled with issued zen 5 was I think I'm gonna wait this time lol
It's like upgrading from a I9 to a KS sku š.
Same for the people who have the 7800x3d I assume then ?
Pretty much. Remember that the main advantages of the 9800X3D over the 7800X3D are the ability to OC, slightly better temps and slightly higher clocks (500MHz base and 200MHz boost). The FPS difference in anything is minimal between the 2. The difference between the 9800X3D and 9850X3D will be miniscule.
Edit: Anyone that is down voting this has zero idea what they are on about. The 7800X3D and 9800X3D offer simialr performance. There is a difference but it is hardly worth noting. This new chip is nothing but an overclocked 9800X3D and those few hundred more MHz are not going to make it somehow much faster. The one area that a 9800X3D really shines over its predecessor is multi-core performance.
Zen5 x3d is >30% faster than Zen4 x3d on Satisfactory and BG3
Okay but the overall average tested by hardware Unboxed is still 10%, only in niche cases and specific games does Zen 5 blow away Zen 4. Most of the time the architectures perform extremely similarly, it was called Zen 5% for a reason.
It was 11.4% on the day one review, but that number is low for several reasons. Firstly and most importantly, some of the tested scenarios are GPU bound rather than CPU bound, and that biases towards null results.
Secondly, it was before the massive shakeup from Win11 24H2 which increased windows gaming performance by >10% and increased the zen4 x3d to zen5 x3d delta by at least a few %.
It's also using overclocked profiles on both - but not an OC which benefits from the several aspects of zen 5's increased OC headroom.
Most of the time you will indeed see more like 15-20% but it is also important to note that the >+30% outliers exist. I put 1300 hours into Satisfactory personally already on zen4x3d and zen5 x3d, and if you're one of those guys then you often don't really care if Tomb Raider only went up 12%. You just want to know that Z5 x3d runs your game 32% faster than OC'd Z4 x3d, and about 2x as fast as spec Z4 x3d.
That kind of info is critical to getting the best experience in your niche, that Z5 does or doesn't matter a lot there, if OC scaling is huge or small, etc.
Any proof of this or just take your word for it? Even if this is true, that is literally 2 titles out of countless.
I think you're really under selling the increase in 1% lows. Those can see an increase as big as 50% in some cases and are usually in the 15-20% range. 1% lows are more important than average fps. The upgrade is significant over the 7800X3D and the 9850X3D will only increase the gap.
If you don't trust me or media like gamersnexus then you can bench it yourself. There's more, those are just the two with +30-32% scaling out of the 8ish games that i play. Lowest was +15% (Factorio). Above that there was WoW, FFXIV, BG3, Stellaris, Riftbreaker, Satisfactory and SC2; you'll find other reviewers agreeing generally with those too.
I tested 7950x3d vs 9950x3d on Win11 24H2 with each CCD in one CCD mode, with both, and with and without OC's to learn about the archs and program scaling.
Dude, I went through the review of the 9950X3D and nothing supports your claim of +30% performance. Hardware Unboxed had the same results.
If you are talking about the 7950X vs 9950X3D, then yes, your numbers would be closer to the truth.
No review supports your claims of such a performance uplift. Though, you are not going to believe me at all.
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If you actually listened to what he says in that video, about the BG3 results, he says "a larger than typical gain".
While there are some one-off titles that do have a performance gain, it is the exception rather than the rule. Also, you need to decide which processor you are on about because you keep switching between 9950X3D and 9800X3D, which are two different parts.
Fact remains that there is in 99% of cases, a minimal advantage when going from a 7-X3D to a 9X3D. One-off cases do exist but not many.
Yep, the difference between 7800x3d and 9800x3d is 10% at most
Much better if you main games like Tarkov
Who TF has that trash game as a main game.Ā
Yeah but also if you donāt why not just get the cheaper 9800x3d? 2% improvement is nothing, and I doubt this thing will cost the same Iām expecting a $100 up price
Not to mention extra heat and the ongoing issues the 9800x3d already has. Honestly I went for the more trusted 7800x3d recently as they barely increased from that
Looks like the price difference will be around $30.
That does make it better at least, thought theyād be far more greedy
Tbf if you're at a point where a 9800X3D isn't enough, chances are you're either going to go for a 9950x3D or wait for Zen 6
I'd have thought that be obvious enough
Not necessarily. There's a realm where the extra mhz matters but you don't need a 9950x3d. Admittadly it probably doesn't apply to many, but people act like there is no chance of that being the case.
Also that there is no announced release date for Zen 6, let alone x3d Zen 6. So while you could do the decades-old - just wait for new product - there is something to be said for just buying the thing that will give you a benefit today.
I think CS2 and R6S players already hit high enough frames. Even losing mhz turning on eco mode with a 9800x3D doesn't seem to impact heavy AAAs much from what I've seen.
I felt like AMD should drop X3D naming, just make all Zen 6 ryzen 7/9 have X3D on one of the chiplet.
Yes but it's gonna cost substantially more than the improvement it delivers, it's always the same with these higher binned chips, they withhold perfectly fine CPUs from going on sale and apply a useless OC that those who want it can just do it by themselves to sell them for a higher price.
They're a net negativeĀ
It's only $20 more expensive than a 9800X3D lol. If that's "substantially more" for someone, they can't afford even a 9800X3D.
If we just take the actual listed prices we have so far it's 20% more than current asking price for 9800X3D's for maybe 5% avg uplift in FPS. That is a substantial price increase for sure. Anything but the same price/perf is bad in PC hardware, has always been.
And these days that 80 or 100$ difference is huge. Wont even cover the new RAM prices.
Where are you looking at actual listed prices that say it's 20% more? At least in Amazon 9800X3D is at 500 while Newegg has it at $470. The MSRP of the 9850X3D is $510 from what's being leaked around CES, that's far from a 20% price increase.
Currently listed for 430 at microcenter, which i assume is the goto for US. The "leaked" listing price was 511-550. So i just called that 20% since that upper limit is most likely bogus.
It gets worse for EU customers since the chip hasn't been at MSRP for a year. It even got steep discounts around black friday - so if you take that into account it just looks even worse. But if i had to guess, I would say discounts on PC hardware is gonna be harder to come by in 2026.
People would definitely want microcenter, but probably only 10% of people have good access to it. Everything seemingly is really cheap there. As for EU customers though, good for you that you have it so cheap, but Black Friday prices really isn't representative of the launch comparison. MSRP comparison are more used because that doesn't move at all, it depends on the stores themselves what discounts or price gouging they actually do. At least for CPU there isn't any "false" MSRP like GPUs. So for most of the US the 9850X3D only really is $20 more expensive. Hopefully it will bring the 9800X3D to $400 and that definitely is the better value, but that speaks more to the price cuts on the 9800X3D and not what the launch price of the 9850X3D is. No manufacturer uses a current price of a product to price their future products, they usually use the MSRP.
For AMD CPU's especially they are usually so discounted by the time a refresh comes out, they basically immediately go on sale and stay there for the rest of their lifecycle. Most, at least honest reviewers, also use current market prices for price/perf comparisons. And that is in large part why Zen 5 got such a beating at launch. It's basically a meme at this point which I'm sure you're aware.
And It's not like it's particularly cheap either, if you convert the typical EU price it's ~550$. MSRP being ~640$. Not a fantastic price considering the age of the part but these are different times with AMD being the market leader.
I agree. Consider it a KS for AMD.
Or as the product process matures they are able to get more chips that are capable of running at higher frequencies so it justifies splitting them off as a higher SKU. Mostly happens with GPU refreshes (IIRC, off the top of my head) but I don't see why the same wouldn't apply.
If you have a 9800X3D and want this, it might just be worth it to try and overclock it. Not all will make it but it's also only a few hundred MHz difference.
I need that extra 1 percent
So its for me then?
I just bought the 9800X3D, ffs. Now it's useless and I could have bought the 9850X3D. Man I hate AMD. Always screwing their customers over.
wat about a 7800x3d?
I have a 9700x and will be careless unless the 3D reaches 250-300 ā¬. The 7800X3D was like 350 new once, used prices around 300. Why is the 9000 so expensive even now? And its hardly better because I have a 9800 with 32 instead of 96 MB L3 already. But likely a new GPU would improve more and that is neither obtainable, its good to save because Zen 6 is on the horizon. Maybe I would even buy non 3D again if performance is promising, in the end raw performance matters while the 3D cache benefits only a few use cases and RT, but its not a day and night difference. My CPU may have some more drops than a 3D but its still among the fastest gaming options and performs like a 14900K in video games.
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BasicallyĀ a binnedĀ 9800X3D?
yep
Yup.
for 2-3% more performance at likely 10% more cost
There already are leaks that it's only $20 more expensive, which is 4% more cost.
Damn that's great to hear. If you were in the market for a 9800x3d no reason to not buy this one then.
When a new cpu drops older ones usually drop so yes there is a reason to still get a 9800x3d
Hell, there's reasons to still get a 5800X3D if they were still in stock. AMD struck gamer gold with these chips.
literally bought my new desktop with 9800x3d 4 days ago...
Will wait and see about the memory controller.
It has more cache too it seems. 8MB.
No it doesn't.
Yeah mistook total for L3. I thought it said 104mb of L3
This is actually good for the market, unless they stop making 9800x3ds, it should lower the prices even more, cause it's not "the best" anymore.
It doesn't make sense to stop making them because these are just highly binned
They are selling them both. They wonāt lower the price theyāll jsut make the 50x model more expensive
But will it survive on Asrock boards longer or shorter?
mobo explodes on startup
Gpu capacitors fry themselves at max temperature instead of max framerate for the ultimate assrock experience.
Was the cause of this discovered yet?
Read somewhere it was bad batch of bios chips on these boards, with a chance a specific bit flips affects power delivery or voltage and pops CPU - that seems logical to me given the inconsistent nature.
Is fascinating a majority are 9800X3D's though .
People who are likely to buy newly released am5 CPUs are also likely to buy a gaming cpu.Ā
Yeah, I've had a 9950X3D since launch and had aggressive PBO, working fine on a B850 Steel Legend. It was exceedingly rare and overblown, but you'll hear from tons of people who never had an ASRock board that you should never buy one again.
Dang, no sign of the 9950X3D2
Is that the official name?
Disapointing, It could have been RyzenX 9 9950X3DX2X PRO AI Black Edition.
It's not announced, so that's a name the community made up.
AFAIK it's confirmed by benchmarks showing the CPUID string. See https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/15755183
Yeah showing up on benchmarks is one thing, but is the name showing from the device?
Yes, that field is the CPUID string reported by the CPU itself. The regular X3D reports as "AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D 16-Core Processor".
EDIT: The CPUID brand string can be altered after boot on AMD CPUs, so it's not definitive, but cheating is highly unlikely: basically the only ones who could pull it off are those with a dual-V-Cache chip (perhaps an engineering sample) that reports a different brand string. since the cache amounts on these benchmarks are correct for what would be expected from the X3D2.
That's a stupid name. It should be the Ryzen X9 9950X3DX2X XTX PRO AI Golden X-Dragon
The X4D can time travel, but as a precaution they only move forward in time at a static pace equivalent to everything around them
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It makes no sense for AMD to release a CPU like that until Zen 6 when they solve the CCD latency.
Its wasted silicon either way.
by 2-3%. yay.
Hey, there's a 9% increase in a single game!
gonna upgrade from my 9950x3d then once the 9950x3d2 comes out im buying that. putting it all in an asrock motherboard paired with a 2060 super
Yeah but you overclocked the 2060 Super, right?
i overclocked my power supply and undervolted my ram donāt worry
I really did undervolt my ram though
Asrock getting ready for another killstreak
Enemy UAV Spotted.
Yawn, I just want more PCI lanes so that half the motherboard doesn't get disabled the moment you populate more than one m.2 slot.
Wait, what do you mean, are there M.2 limitations with AMD? I've been looking at upgrading relatively soon, but I have four M.2 drives - will I have an issue with this?
Its not just AMD. It plagues consumer chipsets in general. Neither intel nor AMD have enough PCI lanes IMO. You can't just glance at a motherboard with say 3 or 5 m.2 slots and expect to use them all at once because there aren't enough lanes to populate every slot on the motherboard. Its been a problem ever since m.2 nvme became popular.
On many boards, once you populate the 2nd or 3rd m.2 slot, depending on the chipset being used, you'll lose access to the 2nd X16 slot entirely as at that point you've already utilized all of the pci express lanes available. In addition, a lot of boards will at the same time drop your GPU lanes down to 8x or 4x once you've added a 2nd or 3rd nvme drive.
If you plan on using a mini-itx board its not so much a problem because typically they only have one x16 slot and a few m.2 slots. So in total you're talking say 20 to 24 pci-e lanes between your GPU and 1-2 x4 m.2 drives. On full ATX is where you often need to make compromises. Its really annoying especially if you're looking at high end boards that are often expensive and have 4 or more m.2 slots. It rarely makes sense to go full ATX these days imo. If you want a full size board and the ability to utilize everything at once you're essentially pushed to a threadripper build.
Check your motherboard manual or mobomaps.com, it depends on your chipset and lanes configuration.
Check mobo manual, from my readings minimum b650? supports both m.2 at full speed.
Stop buying crappy motherboards?
Nothing to do with the motherboard.
Actually, it does :) my motherboard doesn't share so many PCIe lanes as virtually all others :)
Fine with binned chiplets but I hope they do the same for the I/O die too. Unless Zen 6 is coming this year, they could've done a refresh of Zen 5 with a newer I/O die - faster memory, higher FCLK & lower power consumption!
dont forget to renew the iGPU. 2CU RDNA2 is just too old and too slow even for desktop chip.
Intel desktop Arrow lake iGPU are 2x faster. Basically we need 4CU RDNA4 or (RDNA5)
Oh yeah, the iGPU & Media Engine section needs an upgrade for sure, not to mention adding an NPU for the bloody AI tick mark for the investors. Leaving the GPU/ME unchanged until Zen 6 would make sense though, like get the most performance uplift with minimal work.
The way things are going it looks like AMD won't respond until the Core Ultra 300 desktop release are imminent. Just hope they make all those changes to the I/O die for Zen 6 & maybe add the C or efficiency cores to that die too.
If this makes 9800x3d cheaper? Hell yes then!
So now itās time to upgrade from my 2700X!
Like 2% faster
Cool when are they gonna put the 5800X3D back into production so I can max out AM4 without paying a price gouger $500?
I don't wanna use the word entitled but...
Out of all the comments on Reddit, this is the one you decided to call out? I'm not the first to suggest that AM4 chips should go back into production.
The 58's MSRP was 450$. The fact that you're only paying a 50$ premium is crazy.
Before RAM went crazy the price was $200. I guess I'm not allowed to complain about market conditions on Reddit though.
For the price of a 58, you could put that to a 9800 bundle.
Their issue is being forced to buy overpriced ddr5 ram by AM5, not the cpu itself. DDR4 is quite cheaper
You do know by bringing back an older product in production means that it will take space in the fabrication plants and so they'd have to stop production of their current and future products right? Or are you just being idiotic and think that these just suddenly poof into existence?
Don't complain about computer market dynamics on Reddit, worst mistake of my life.
Bro bit my head off for not 100% understanding a market which is actually pretty fucking complicated.
The same people celebrating this launch are the same people who shat on the KS releases from Intel. Genuine hypocrites.
To be fair, it does look like the performance difference will be bigger with the 9850X3D than on the KS series. But we'll see later this month when the first reviews are out.
I'm sure Hardware Unboxed will rip them a new one if it's just a factory overclocked chip for a price premium, but rumors seem to suggest it will cost the same as the 9800X3D costs now.
can it beat 420 euro 9800x3d?
nty, I'll wait for the 10800X3D :)
Can you achieve the same on the 9800X3D with an overclock? Never tried overclocking mine, never felt I needed more performance, but it would be interesting if the 9850X3D is just a factory overclocked CPU like Intel's KS CPU's.
Perhaps, but not guaranteed to be stable which is why they're binned and branded differently.
Have a 9700X. Debating if I should go for this.
Edit: Nah I told myself Iād wait for the last AM5 chip and ride it through the next many years.
Do as your edit says. You're gonna probably notice nearly nothing unless a game is mega super CPU heavy or you upgrade to a 5090. Some games that are super CPU heavy may not be bottlenecked by cache either, single core speed still holds true for some.
There was a rumor not long ago that AMD have decided to make Zen 7 an AM5 product. So he might have to wait a while to upgrade.
Well they can get zen 6, then get zen 7 a while after release if it's a good value like some people have done with am4.
Yeah, the upgrade from a 9700X to a 9850X3D is probably not gonna be very noticeable, unless he plays in 1080p and mostly games that are known to benefit from the Vcache.
I'd wait for Zen 6 too, if the rumors are true they're gonna be 12 core CCD's instead of 8, which would be a massive upgrade. But again, this is just a rumor.
This Ferrari does 250mph and this one does 257mph
its the exact same cpu just clocked faster.
3D AI XPENT V-Cache .. It's called L3, no matter that AMD is trying to sell you lol.
I'm currently have an I9-10850k and am feeling quite a bit of cpu bottleneck at 1440p. I was on the fence for a long while and sprung for a 9800x3d today, I can decide to return it if I'd like, should I? I managed to snag a kit of 64 gb 6000mhz cl30 ddr5 and a decently priced 5080. I'm unsure whether I should have waited for either this, a small price drop of the 9800 or have waited for zen 6, all of it is still on the way
So how does it compare to... 9950x3d?
I'm in the process of building a new PC so I may as well hold until this launches. If I can't find one, I'll just settle with the 9800X3D
No it didnāt, they just released a newer, faster version.
Weird title.
Faster?Ā
By how much compared to the 9800x3D?Ā
By how much compared to the 7800x3D ?Ā
By how much compared to the 5800x3D ?
Mother F i just got mg 9800x3d after selling my 5700x3d for $450.
AMD's worst enemy has always been themselves after all...
If only they announced the reproduction of the 5700X3D or 5800X3D instead š
When is the release date?
i was hoping for a better igpu desktop chip (to improve on the 7 8700G) maybe in 2027 - sigh
Will these fry on some boards even faster like ASRock?
I rather upgrade to 7800x3d
Its nothing but a lot 9800x 3d i can do the same i overclock mine 400mh u wont notice a differnce in fps 3 to 5 fps lol its a waste
Next is x3d RAM to pair with your cpu but hay i love my 9800x 3d
Looks like Iāll be upgrading my 9600x to pair with my astral 5090
According to AMD slides, on average its 3% faster than 9800x3D at gaming. IĀ“m not amazed by that.
Cashing out on the value of the 5800x3d now so I can be on the am5 platform, getting 9800x3d, and will probably sell if zen 6 is worth it for me. Love how much these x3d cpu's have held value.
Cool cool now fix all the crashing issues with AMD GPUs
What crashing issues ? Iāve had a 9070xt for about 5 months now and had like one crash.
I had a few crashes when I got mine, then I remembered I had daisy chained my PSU cables. I fixed that and have not had a single crash since.
The 9070XT is a fantastic beast of a card, and quite cheap right now. If I was in the market for a new GPU, I would get one now, I wouldn't wait any longer. Chances are GPU's are gonna get real expensive soon.
Latest drivers seem kinda weird on my computer but I rolled back to October and I've been flawless since. I'll probably install the next new driver version and hope it runs well.
Ugh youāre making me want to revert back too. We got almost the same set up beside I have a B650P. š
Wonder if it's an RDNA 3 issue. For me the biggest issue is using discord streams while tarkov was running. It would crash so bad it took out windows and fried the drivers. Had to safe mode, DDU, then reinstall October drivers.
My 9950x3d still good though....right? š
Itās only a refresh it seems like. 2-3% performance increase is literally nothing. You can simply undervolt and adjust the boost clock to get to this level of performance increase for free.
it's not a refresh it's a bin
I have a 7800x3d atm. Not enough of an upgrade to make me purchase. Gonna wait for the next gen
Goes without saying, no?
I did consider the 9800x3d and sell my cpu to a friend. 9850x3d is ok. But the leap i hoped for. that will come with the next ones.
I just bought a 9800x3D and haven't opened it. Should I return it and go for this instead?
Soon we might see a lot of used 9800X3D for around $300 ish. Yay!
Only if theyāre stupid
my 9800x3d is already oc'd near 5.6 ghz, pass.
No way that's so crazy.
I had my 14900k and overcooked it to a bajillion Superhertz and immediately bought the 14900ks the second it came out.
You're missing out.
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I think people still on AM4 are much better off waiting for AM6 at this point tbh
The real question is, is it actually bringing anything worthwhile over a 9800x3d. Gonna take a bit of convincing.
This isn't for people with a 9800X3D though, more for people planning to upgrade as another choice if they want the best of the best at a price premium (probably not good value) or if they're fine "settling" for the 9800X3D.
Yeah, but the problem is, this is competing with the 9800x3d and has to have a worthwhile value proposition. If it's just higher tested silicon with a higher factory clock and more power draw, am I really going to buy it over hitting 5.5 on a 9800x3d under the same settings for less money?
Probably not you or me, but more people just wanna get the "higher number" without checking specs a la 14900ks over 14900k. GPU really only has the premium performance with the halo product for gaming.
Saw the CES leaks, it's definitely worth it with it only being $20 more expensive than a 9800X3D. Hard to believe anyone buying a new AM5 system to cheap out on the $20 instead of just getting the 9850X3D. I'd still personally recommend a 7800X3D instead for more than $100 cheaper, but people looking at a 9800X3D definitely will wait for the release of the 9850X3D. Only problem is since these are higher binned 9800X3D in reality, supplies might be extremely limited.
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These kind of products are never designed for sensible buyers. The goal is to keep an halo gaming product and solidify the halo gaming price tier, while being more aggressive (than now) on the 9800x3D.
I believe it has a better IMC.
EDIT: nope, I guess not.
It doesn't. It's just a bin.
Yeah I guess it was just a rumor. Bummer
It's never really a good idea to upgrade to one model higher than what you have. You won't see much performance difference that way. People who do that have lots of spare cash to burn.
Yup. Only exception is if you have a family member or friend who would use your current part. Otherwise there's no point.
Or if you have a change in use cases -- e.g. if you start doing video editing and not just pure gaming, then upgrading from 9800X3D to 9950X3D for more cores would make sense.
I was kinda hoping the 9600x3D would be out, but honestly I might get this or a 9950x3D and give my wife my current 9800X3D and run it in 65w mode.