Pretty sure Ashton and co harassed him for weeks and got no response - in between doxxing Lin himself repeatedly, that is. Given that Lin was already under investigation prior to the plane disappearing and there's absolutely nothing connecting him to MH370 at all, I think it's safe to chalk this one up as baseless nonsense.
Doesn't seem particularly likely that he'd be given access to a top secret project that could cause catastrophic damage to the US if leaked to the public while already under suspicion, no. Of course, there's absolutely nothing at all linking Lin to MH370 in the first place beyond wild and unfounded assertions made by Ashton, which is the real sticking point here.
Several examples are available online that show people being investigated for similar crimes while being given enough rope to hang themselves by committing even more crime. As for Lin, it seems that the powers that be pulled the rug and charged him before he let even more damaging content out to the masses. What he leaked is already soul-crushing to those behind the plane disappearing, they couldn't afford to let anything else like this get out.
Classified submarine information in exchange for bitcoin must have been catastrophic for "something", considering a husband and wife got sentenced 2-3 times harsher than Lin was, but continue being obtuse.
I'm not being obtuse - you're suggesting that the government actively allowed somebody to expose their secret teleportation technology and murder of 200+ people to the general public for the sole purpose of prosecuting somebody they were already investigating and had sufficient grounds to act on. It's ludicrous.
No, I'm saying that if you believe that the government doesn't let people commit more crimes while being under investigation for something else, you may want to sit this one out until you get a better understanding of how things work. Lin was talking to people that the government was suspicious of, so they watched him. Kinda hard to prosecute someone off of simply talking to suspicious individuals, right? Over time, he eventually did something that made them pull the rug on the investigation and charge him. Yes, the murder of 200+ blah blah blah IS CERTAINLY enough to take away his access to certain things. Having sex with some Chinese woman that the US government has on their "list" is not sufficient grounds to act on, but continue pretending to know what you're talking about.
you may want to sit this one out until you get a better understanding of how things work.
Lol, wtf? If they are going to bait more crimes, it wouldn't be with leaking teleportation abilities and 'alien' tech. This is so elementary that your attempt to cover for your inadequacies here is literally laughable.
Baiting crimes is an actual practice that is used to leverage for intel and connections. As such, you would drip feed the least impactful method to accomplish the goal. Do you really think any government official would stand by and risk the exposure of Earth-shattering technology? Just to what.. get a few relatively meaningless intel points? Absolutely not - Lin would be buried under Leavenworth in 10 seconds if he actually had connection to an orb abduction of '370. Ffs.. do you really need that spelled out for you?
I thoroughly enjoy how people like yourself are so convinced that the government is so all-powerful and all-intelligent that they can cover for anything, but one random dude is let loose and somehow defeats the ENTIRE Intel community to expose the whole "conspiracy".
but continue pretending to know what you're talking about.
The agent training that they are giving you guys is horrible 🤣
It's like: deny, insult, insert random lol or clown emoji, repeat. Ashton dropped a new video a couple of days ago, you guys may as well give up at this point 🤷🏾♂️
Again, you are suggesting that the government allowed Lin access to information on secret teleportation technology and the government-sanctioned murder of 200+ people because they suspected he was leaking information and wanted further evidence. If you can't see how utterly ridiculous that sounds, I can't help you.
Can you not read? I said that he was talking to people that the US government deemed suspicious, but suspicion does not equate to being guilty of a crime. That's what being under investigation means. Once charged formally, investigation concludes. The "crime" was leaking the videos, but they can't say that's what he's done because God forbid the public loses trust in government (again 🙄). Ffs, they tried to tack on some kind of prostitution charge at the last second 🤣.
Just like I've explained to several others in this sub, some of us have been following this since the plane went missing. Entry-level mh370 disinfo doesn't move the needle here. As far as anything regarding the judicial system, you guys are even less equipped to debate me on that than you are with the mh370 disappearance. If you're a "subject matter expert" regarding this, then I must be god-like 🤷🏾♂️
My understanding is that Jonas doesn’t want to dedicate any more energy into this crap. It’s not how he wants to live his life.
You're forgetting he got caught doxxing a person long after he went silent.
Believers should be ashamed for what they did to Jonas — if they can feel shame.
If one uploads images for everyone to analyse, why is it an issue when people start analysing and discussing said images?
There are always a few individuals on both sides that harass other people, and we should condemn both groups equally, but that's not the case here. People are following every step and harassing Ashton Forbes and the person that was doxxed, and everyone seems to be ok with it.
I think the issue here is that Ashton Forbes and the main harasser guy were the people who initiated this bad behaviour and have encouraged bullying and doxxing on multiple occasions (and continue to do so today). Ashton, in particular, has a large social media following and he directs them to harass or dox people. So, when they get a taste of their own bitter medicine, people are naturally less sympathetic.
I think you're trying to draw a false equivalence between the two people here. This reminds me of situations where a school bully will beat up a kid for weeks and weeks, but as soon as the victim hits back the teacher will step in and scold them. Why did it only become bad once the victim hit back?
I don't - they cost an absolute fortune and there's no guarantee of recouping costs, particularly when Ashton isn't especially wealthy himself. Strangely enough, the thought of spending thousands of dollars and thousands of hours on a lawsuit because some nutter has decided they can benefit his grift isn't very appealing to most. 🤷
He considered filing a defamation suit against Ashton and WSA but decided against it due to the logistics of doing so from a different country and the costs/time investment involved. It's one of many reasons that Ashton's "if I'm wrong, why don't they sue me?" bravado doesn't hold up - posting on twitter is cheap and easy, filing a defamation suit is not.
Well, as far as I remember, he did formally notify a couple of people of his intention to take legal action against them for defamation. Instead of proceeding with his intentions, he instead went the route of doxxing the person whos general opinions contradicted the opinions of the photographer, leading to the youtube video being taken down.
I mean, Ashton Forbes stands behind what he says in his videos, even encouraging people to sue him. Seems like a clear case of slander considering he openly talks about it. It's rather interesting no one contacted youtube to at least take down the videos.
I don't know how many different ways I can tell you that Jonas didn't take legal action, my dude. He thought about it and decided against it. Take a look at what a defamation suit costs and have a think about whether Ashton's "why don't they sue?" rhetoric really holds up.
He doxxed a serial harasser. It seems you are more concerned with people knowing who this harasser is than the harassment. Good to know where you stand.
It kind of seems like you're trying to paint jonas in a bad light for threatening to sue ashton but not going through with it.
Since ashton himself has threatened to sue half a hundred people, including myself, I think we can probably chalk this up to "thinking of suing people is easy but actually doing it is hard". I'm still waiting to hear from his "many lawyers" haha.
u/Morkneys, unfortunately I couldn't reply to your comment because u/EmbersToAshes seems to have blocked me as his posts show as deleted, so I'll reply here.
It kind of seems like you're trying to paint jonas in a bad light for threatening to sue ashton but not going through with it.
I just find it interesting no action was taken. Don't you find it a little odd that no one contacted youtube to take down the videos containing clear evidence of slander?
He did in a way paint himself in a bad light by doxxing a person.
Since ashton himself has threatened to sue half a hundred people, including myself, I think we can probably chalk this up to "thinking of suing people is easy but actually doing it is hard". I'm still waiting to hear from his "many lawyers" haha.
It's not the same situation though, the photographer has evidence of slander, Ashton Forbes is just overusing threats to sue individuals.
" Don't you find it a little odd that no one contacted youtube to take down the videos containing clear evidence of slander?"
Not at all because I was part of the discord server where Jonas was asking for advice on what legal action he could/should take. I am familiar with the things he tried, the obstacles he ran into, the constant harassment he received, and ultimately how fruitless it was.
I am not familiar with the doxxing situation, but if it was related to the main guy who was harassing Jonas then I can sympathise. That dude was relentless, and seemed to be totally ok with doxxing people when he was on the other side of it.
I am not familiar with the doxxing situation, but if it was related to the main guy who was harassing Jonas then I can sympathise. That dude was relentless, and seemed to be totally ok with doxxing people when he was on the other side of it.
He doxxed a person in the description of the clouds youtube video, leading to the video being taken down, probably by the person who uploaded it.
All I can do is reiterate this: If it was the main guy behind the harassment, he was clearly fine with doxxing people, so he got karma'd by the Universe on that one. Very ironic.
Again, how do your x comments on him being a liar and a fraud regarding an unresolved mistery compare to him slandering a person with a military background running a business?
Making x comments accusing someone of being a liar and a fraud, especially regarding something that is unresolved, doesn't compare to someone slandering an individual with known background running an established business.
To say you called him a liar and a fraud and the reason it's true is because he didn't sue you, doesn't follow the same logic no, as per your previous comment.
How does pointing out the many, many falsehoods and outright lies he's perpetuated to keep his grift alive compare to doxxing someone who has nothing to do with all of this and rallying the troops to harass both his workplace and his lawyer? Very favourably, Pye. Why are you caping for these scumbags?
I'm condemning both sides. I've seen the lenghts people have gone to follow, harass and doxx WSA, and I'm seeing the same for Ashton Forbes, and I've seen the other side as well.
Just because Ashton Forbes is unhinged doesn't mean the other side behaving the same makes it right. Both sides are the problem the moment they start attacking the person instead of the evidence.
No, you're not, you're actively downplaying what Ashton and WSA have done and continue to do and trying to shift the blame onto the parties they've continually harassed. Pointing out that someone is repeatedly lying or distorting the truth for personal gain is not harassment, and you know that fine well. Your own efforts to skew the narrative on this are painfully transparent.
Pretty sure Ashton and co harassed him for weeks and got no response - in between doxxing Lin himself repeatedly, that is. Given that Lin was already under investigation prior to the plane disappearing and there's absolutely nothing connecting him to MH370 at all, I think it's safe to chalk this one up as baseless nonsense.
https://preview.redd.it/u0aeq0egpbjf1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d420d084fb0ceae06c95615b2a87bab11f3e3236
Who, this dude?? 🤭
I guess him leaking the videos while already being investigated for something else is out of the realm of possibility?
Doesn't seem particularly likely that he'd be given access to a top secret project that could cause catastrophic damage to the US if leaked to the public while already under suspicion, no. Of course, there's absolutely nothing at all linking Lin to MH370 in the first place beyond wild and unfounded assertions made by Ashton, which is the real sticking point here.
Several examples are available online that show people being investigated for similar crimes while being given enough rope to hang themselves by committing even more crime. As for Lin, it seems that the powers that be pulled the rug and charged him before he let even more damaging content out to the masses. What he leaked is already soul-crushing to those behind the plane disappearing, they couldn't afford to let anything else like this get out.
In those examples you're referring to, the consequences of doing so aren't generally catastrophic for the entire nation though, are they? 😅
Classified submarine information in exchange for bitcoin must have been catastrophic for "something", considering a husband and wife got sentenced 2-3 times harsher than Lin was, but continue being obtuse.
I'm not being obtuse - you're suggesting that the government actively allowed somebody to expose their secret teleportation technology and murder of 200+ people to the general public for the sole purpose of prosecuting somebody they were already investigating and had sufficient grounds to act on. It's ludicrous.
No, I'm saying that if you believe that the government doesn't let people commit more crimes while being under investigation for something else, you may want to sit this one out until you get a better understanding of how things work. Lin was talking to people that the government was suspicious of, so they watched him. Kinda hard to prosecute someone off of simply talking to suspicious individuals, right? Over time, he eventually did something that made them pull the rug on the investigation and charge him. Yes, the murder of 200+ blah blah blah IS CERTAINLY enough to take away his access to certain things. Having sex with some Chinese woman that the US government has on their "list" is not sufficient grounds to act on, but continue pretending to know what you're talking about.
Lol, wtf? If they are going to bait more crimes, it wouldn't be with leaking teleportation abilities and 'alien' tech. This is so elementary that your attempt to cover for your inadequacies here is literally laughable.
Baiting crimes is an actual practice that is used to leverage for intel and connections. As such, you would drip feed the least impactful method to accomplish the goal. Do you really think any government official would stand by and risk the exposure of Earth-shattering technology? Just to what.. get a few relatively meaningless intel points? Absolutely not - Lin would be buried under Leavenworth in 10 seconds if he actually had connection to an orb abduction of '370. Ffs.. do you really need that spelled out for you?
I thoroughly enjoy how people like yourself are so convinced that the government is so all-powerful and all-intelligent that they can cover for anything, but one random dude is let loose and somehow defeats the ENTIRE Intel community to expose the whole "conspiracy".
Wow. You are a joke that writes itself.. nice.
ETA: username does not check out, lol
The agent training that they are giving you guys is horrible 🤣 It's like: deny, insult, insert random lol or clown emoji, repeat. Ashton dropped a new video a couple of days ago, you guys may as well give up at this point 🤷🏾♂️
Again, you are suggesting that the government allowed Lin access to information on secret teleportation technology and the government-sanctioned murder of 200+ people because they suspected he was leaking information and wanted further evidence. If you can't see how utterly ridiculous that sounds, I can't help you.
Can you not read? I said that he was talking to people that the US government deemed suspicious, but suspicion does not equate to being guilty of a crime. That's what being under investigation means. Once charged formally, investigation concludes. The "crime" was leaking the videos, but they can't say that's what he's done because God forbid the public loses trust in government (again 🙄). Ffs, they tried to tack on some kind of prostitution charge at the last second 🤣.
Just like I've explained to several others in this sub, some of us have been following this since the plane went missing. Entry-level mh370 disinfo doesn't move the needle here. As far as anything regarding the judicial system, you guys are even less equipped to debate me on that than you are with the mh370 disappearance. If you're a "subject matter expert" regarding this, then I must be god-like 🤷🏾♂️
You got proof for Lin being investigated before? Would be great to see that.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AirlinerAbduction2014/comments/1fp5gdb/comment/loxhdmp
I've read the court documents, but im too lazy to do to find a specific quote.
Here's a few links from another comment.
Sure thing - here's an article on the investigation into Lin.
https://www.pilotonline.com/2017/06/02/naval-flight-officer-to-serve-6-years-for-illegally-sharing-classified-information/
https://preview.redd.it/cdh2zwcbpbjf1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc7f53a21a79eed18bc6c345fb3f8b6b96a5190f
Nothing. Absolutely nothing came of it because Lin didn’t leak BS fake videos.
Probably not much, like everything in this case
u/atadams , again, because the person the conversation ties on to blocked me, I can't reply directly to your post, so I'll do it here.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AirlinerAbduction2014/s/PpvOfeWU4B
You're forgetting he got caught doxxing a person long after he went silent.
If one uploads images for everyone to analyse, why is it an issue when people start analysing and discussing said images?
There are always a few individuals on both sides that harass other people, and we should condemn both groups equally, but that's not the case here. People are following every step and harassing Ashton Forbes and the person that was doxxed, and everyone seems to be ok with it.
I think the issue here is that Ashton Forbes and the main harasser guy were the people who initiated this bad behaviour and have encouraged bullying and doxxing on multiple occasions (and continue to do so today). Ashton, in particular, has a large social media following and he directs them to harass or dox people. So, when they get a taste of their own bitter medicine, people are naturally less sympathetic.
I think you're trying to draw a false equivalence between the two people here. This reminds me of situations where a school bully will beat up a kid for weeks and weeks, but as soon as the victim hits back the teacher will step in and scold them. Why did it only become bad once the victim hit back?
I find it interesting no one filed a defamation suit against Ashton Forbes.
I don't - they cost an absolute fortune and there's no guarantee of recouping costs, particularly when Ashton isn't especially wealthy himself. Strangely enough, the thought of spending thousands of dollars and thousands of hours on a lawsuit because some nutter has decided they can benefit his grift isn't very appealing to most. 🤷
I mean, the photographer tried, backed down pretty fast though, by the looks of it.
Jonas never filed a defamation suit - he considered the possibility briefly, but nothing more than that.
Remember when BobbyO said he’s ready to sue Jonas for fraud/fabricating photos? Still waitin for that one lol
Didn't the photographer threaten to sue Ashton Forbes, amongst other people?
He considered filing a defamation suit against Ashton and WSA but decided against it due to the logistics of doing so from a different country and the costs/time investment involved. It's one of many reasons that Ashton's "if I'm wrong, why don't they sue me?" bravado doesn't hold up - posting on twitter is cheap and easy, filing a defamation suit is not.
Well, as far as I remember, he did formally notify a couple of people of his intention to take legal action against them for defamation. Instead of proceeding with his intentions, he instead went the route of doxxing the person whos general opinions contradicted the opinions of the photographer, leading to the youtube video being taken down.
I mean, Ashton Forbes stands behind what he says in his videos, even encouraging people to sue him. Seems like a clear case of slander considering he openly talks about it. It's rather interesting no one contacted youtube to at least take down the videos.
I don't know how many different ways I can tell you that Jonas didn't take legal action, my dude. He thought about it and decided against it. Take a look at what a defamation suit costs and have a think about whether Ashton's "why don't they sue?" rhetoric really holds up.
My understanding is that Jonas doesn’t want to dedicate any more energy into this crap. It’s not how he wants to live his life.
Believers should be ashamed for what they did to Jonas — if they can feel shame.
He doxxed a serial harasser. It seems you are more concerned with people knowing who this harasser is than the harassment. Good to know where you stand.
It kind of seems like you're trying to paint jonas in a bad light for threatening to sue ashton but not going through with it.
Since ashton himself has threatened to sue half a hundred people, including myself, I think we can probably chalk this up to "thinking of suing people is easy but actually doing it is hard". I'm still waiting to hear from his "many lawyers" haha.
Winning costs money, especially in another country.
u/Morkneys, unfortunately I couldn't reply to your comment because u/EmbersToAshes seems to have blocked me as his posts show as deleted, so I'll reply here.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AirlinerAbduction2014/s/nu1M4PTPC8
I just find it interesting no action was taken. Don't you find it a little odd that no one contacted youtube to take down the videos containing clear evidence of slander?
He did in a way paint himself in a bad light by doxxing a person.
It's not the same situation though, the photographer has evidence of slander, Ashton Forbes is just overusing threats to sue individuals.
" Don't you find it a little odd that no one contacted youtube to take down the videos containing clear evidence of slander?"
Not at all because I was part of the discord server where Jonas was asking for advice on what legal action he could/should take. I am familiar with the things he tried, the obstacles he ran into, the constant harassment he received, and ultimately how fruitless it was.
I am not familiar with the doxxing situation, but if it was related to the main guy who was harassing Jonas then I can sympathise. That dude was relentless, and seemed to be totally ok with doxxing people when he was on the other side of it.
He doxxed a person in the description of the clouds youtube video, leading to the video being taken down, probably by the person who uploaded it.
Was it the harassment ringleader guy?
Its WSAdvisor, the most prominent voice spreading lies about Jonas and the veracity of the photos.
It's the same person several people from this very subreddit were doxxing and harassing, pretending they were doing a good deed.
I have no idea who that is
All I can do is reiterate this: If it was the main guy behind the harassment, he was clearly fine with doxxing people, so he got karma'd by the Universe on that one. Very ironic.
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Ashton Forbes has threatened to sue lots of people — including me. I begged him to on one of his streams. Nothing.
The fact is, it costs a lot and it’s hard to do successfully.
Why would he sue you exactly?
Maybe because I called him out as a liar and a fraud. And since he didn’t sue me, it must be true. Isn’t that the logic?
A liar and a fraud on account of what, unresolved videos?
He's directly slandering a person who runs a business... well, several people, one of which has military background.
How does that compare to your x comments?
On account of lying and fraud.
Again, how do your x comments on him being a liar and a fraud regarding an unresolved mistery compare to him slandering a person with a military background running a business?
I don’t follow what you are getting at.
Making x comments accusing someone of being a liar and a fraud, especially regarding something that is unresolved, doesn't compare to someone slandering an individual with known background running an established business.
To say you called him a liar and a fraud and the reason it's true is because he didn't sue you, doesn't follow the same logic no, as per your previous comment.
Shockingly, you missed my point about not suing.
And Ashton is undeniably a liar and a fraud. The worst part of it is, he lies to profit off of a tragedy.
P.s., sensor spots.
How does pointing out the many, many falsehoods and outright lies he's perpetuated to keep his grift alive compare to doxxing someone who has nothing to do with all of this and rallying the troops to harass both his workplace and his lawyer? Very favourably, Pye. Why are you caping for these scumbags?
I'm condemning both sides. I've seen the lenghts people have gone to follow, harass and doxx WSA, and I'm seeing the same for Ashton Forbes, and I've seen the other side as well.
Just because Ashton Forbes is unhinged doesn't mean the other side behaving the same makes it right. Both sides are the problem the moment they start attacking the person instead of the evidence.
No, you're not, you're actively downplaying what Ashton and WSA have done and continue to do and trying to shift the blame onto the parties they've continually harassed. Pointing out that someone is repeatedly lying or distorting the truth for personal gain is not harassment, and you know that fine well. Your own efforts to skew the narrative on this are painfully transparent.
When have I lied or slandered anyone?
Who said you have?
Who was slandered by who with a military background, and why is that relevant?