When I heard āmen are intimidated by strong womenā I donāt think itās meant to be about women being insufferable.
I think this phrase is meant for independent women who stick to their boundaries and wonāt let a man push them around.
That intimidated men because then they canāt control the women.
Because it shouldnāt be about control.
*Disclaimer: I know itās not all men. Iām not talking about all men. If you are a man and you are not intimidated by a respectful woman who knows what she wants then this isnāt about you.
Woman who are leaders in insustry intimidate men because they cannot be easily controlled. While
This is not universal for all men, you can absolutely see men lose their shit when they become below a woman in the corporate pecking order and will do some pretty vile shit to bring them down. Unfortunately woman who are in this position have to fight back and that's where you see the ugly side of woman with a light shined on them. It's not that they're shitty people most of the time, it's that they're backed in a corner with not much other choice but to protect themselves because no one will help them.
I just wish weād understand, there are plenty of women haters out there and plenty of men haters too. No sex is better than the other.
The difference is that comparatively few women are in positions of power where their hatred of men could negatively impact men. On the contrary, far too many women-hating men possess sufficient power to make their lives more difficult.
That's visible on the national level (criminalization of abortion, for example), the local level (think of urbanism and how it does not account sufficiently for women. Dimly lit parks, male-dominated workout spots, lack of public restrooms...), and even in the private sector (companies more easily firing women or hindering their ascension out of fear that they could become pregnant).
Not saying hatred is justified. Just that until now, one group's hatred (or at least lack of interest in the other's condition) has had more severe consequences.
If that ever happens (which I doubt), I do think that a group that has known for millenia how it feels to be put in a position of weakness would try not to weaponize their power against the former opressor. Especially since women are being put in weaker positions precisely because they are raised to be more collective-focused. They're seen as more caring, as centered around child-raising, helping the elderly, etc. I'm not sure how it could be bad for men should caring for others become more of a focus of society...
Regardless, what Iām saying is this behaviour should not be acceptable or normalised, just my anecdotal evidence over the years, men bashing has become acceptable. Similar posts Iāve seen, if reversed, there would be hell to pay.
What behavior? Women are generally not in a position of sufficient power for their supposed hatred to manifest. As you've said, you have anecdotal evidence (which you haven't told us about), but that doesn't mean there's a widespread problem. Contrary to misogyny, which has very concrete and widespread effects on women's lives.
His post was not about a confidant woman who knows her worth. His post was about women that think being loud and obnoxious and just plain mean is a boss thing. There are a lot of them out there. Nobody wants to deal with that. Man or woman
I mean...you haven't seen the "if you can't handle me at my worst you don't deserve me at my best" bumper stickers? That's the type of woman OP is talking about. Using your man as an emotional (and generally physical too....) punching bag doesn't make you "strong", just the opposite in reality.
Once again I donāt view that statement as āif you canāt handle me at my worst (abusive)ā I see it as her āworstā is when women are vulnerable, an emotional mess, maybe overwhelmed and burnt out, etc.
Like myself, my āworstā is when Iām suicidal. Iām in need of support during that time. Iām not easy or friendly or happy during that time. I am at my worst.
If you wonāt stick by my side during that time then no you donāt deserve to be around me when I am in a good place cause thatās a shitty thing to do.
To touch on what you said about being a punching bag and āstrongā. No woman has a right to be abusive. No one has any right to use someone as an emotional or physical punching bag.
I donāt think āstrongā women are women who are abusive. I think strong women as women who donāt let obstacles stand in their way, who are resilient and can bounce back after life happens.
I have a therapist and psychiatrist and Iām very independent but roughly once or twice a year I need his support because I feel hopeless.
You should be able to lean on your partner. If you canāt rely on them for support then theyāre not a good partner.
I donāt see him as my therapist. I see him as my life-long partner and I told him early on into our relationship I would need his support from time to time and if he wasnāt okay with that we wouldnāt be a good match because I do need a support system.
But he said heād try and in the 4.5 years Iāve had to call him 3 times. Our calls lasted anywhere from 45 minutes and one time two hours and it wasnāt a constant āI wanna dieā it was more of a āhey Iām really struggling with intrusive thoughts, can we talk about xyz to keep my mind off things for a while?ā
Yes I agree, partners should not be therapists. The average person shouldnāt have to deal with emotional baggage on a day to day basis. But you need to support each other and be able to depend on one another to help you through tough times.
I'd be cool if he could give an example, cause i have a feeling the "rude and unpleasant" part could just mean a girl repeatedly telling him "No" but with an elevated tone on the 5th.
Ehh, I think "aggressive, rude, and generally unpleasant" is very subjective and too vague to define, especially considering gender norms have created certain expectations for how women should act. I'd bet this guy would call any woman unpleasant and rude if they used the exact tone he's using in that tweet.
Exactly. They call men ambitious, no-nonsense, and stoic; for women, they're called aggressive, bitchy, and cold. Look at how the world views male CEOs versus female - the men are considered cool, assured, and confident, while the women are called aloof, arrogant, and frigid.
It goes the same way for men. We think being tough is being a d*ck, taking control of everyone and every situation, being the most commanding in the room.
Really it just makes you the person everyone has to warn each other about before meeting. I canāt tell you how many times Iāve been warned about someoneās attitude before being introduced. Men and women. Iām a big guy, but very even tempered. The second I hear I need to watch out for you or your feelings, or youāll act out and get a certain way, is basically guaranteeing Iām going to match your energy.
Funnily enough, the women almost always respect it, and the men get super butthurt and wanna fight or shrimp away. Itās all about ego, and unfortunately, men hold onto ego more than we should.
It sounds like the tweet authorās definition of āstrong womanā is entirely different to what women usually define it as. Women who try to match men in aggression arenāt considered strong women, the term usually refers to women who are strong minded/strong willed who donāt bend to the will of men.
I do agree. I like a strong woman, just like I like a strong man.
What I donāt like in either of the sexes are just utter dickheads and nobs who think their behaviour makes them strongā¦No, youāre just a dick or a bitch.
But if you call a woman out for it turns into āYou just donāt like strong womenā reverse the situation its āHeās just a total dick.ā Men do t defend and say heās just alpha or a strong man. Weāll happily say heās just a Cu*
Iām sure there are men out there that hate the fact that they canāt control a women and there are women out there who try to control a man.
Iām sick and tired of men ALL being painted with the same brush.
In my opinion, men and women are just as bad as each other in different ways. I realise women have had it tougher, been suppress but letās not suggest that things arenāt changing.
What Iāve noticed over the years. An increase in women con artists. Elizabeth Holmes probably one of the worst of the worst.
Strong women are not the problem being mean, dismissive, and disrespectful is, from any gender.
Strength comes from confidence, kindness, and respect not rudeness. Being tough doesn't mean being unpleasant.
so what you are saying is that we should all try to be like Karlach? i can agree with that
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Agreed. Some like to manipulate those they see that in and destroy them out of jealousy.
Men like this don't like it when women show displeasure towards them because they think we have to take our subjugation politely.
Cue women posting their academic achievement online and men in the comment losing their shit. Lmao.
When I heard āmen are intimidated by strong womenā I donāt think itās meant to be about women being insufferable.
I think this phrase is meant for independent women who stick to their boundaries and wonāt let a man push them around.
That intimidated men because then they canāt control the women.
Because it shouldnāt be about control.
*Disclaimer: I know itās not all men. Iām not talking about all men. If you are a man and you are not intimidated by a respectful woman who knows what she wants then this isnāt about you.
Woman who are leaders in insustry intimidate men because they cannot be easily controlled. While This is not universal for all men, you can absolutely see men lose their shit when they become below a woman in the corporate pecking order and will do some pretty vile shit to bring them down. Unfortunately woman who are in this position have to fight back and that's where you see the ugly side of woman with a light shined on them. It's not that they're shitty people most of the time, it's that they're backed in a corner with not much other choice but to protect themselves because no one will help them.
Iām glad you added that disclaimer.
My opinion, I think men and women are as bad as each other, just in different ways.
We live in double standards. Double standards against men and double standards against women.
I just wish weād understand, there are plenty of women haters out there and plenty of men haters too. No sex is better than the other.
The difference is that comparatively few women are in positions of power where their hatred of men could negatively impact men. On the contrary, far too many women-hating men possess sufficient power to make their lives more difficult.
That's visible on the national level (criminalization of abortion, for example), the local level (think of urbanism and how it does not account sufficiently for women. Dimly lit parks, male-dominated workout spots, lack of public restrooms...), and even in the private sector (companies more easily firing women or hindering their ascension out of fear that they could become pregnant).
Not saying hatred is justified. Just that until now, one group's hatred (or at least lack of interest in the other's condition) has had more severe consequences.
Iām glad you added the last paragraph. The hatred should not be normalised, regardless of power.
I fully understand what youāre saying, nevertheless, again, it should not be accepted, normalised or be dismissive.
What happens if one day women do have the power and have been brought up to feel that hating men is now okay because once upon a time they hated us.
If that ever happens (which I doubt), I do think that a group that has known for millenia how it feels to be put in a position of weakness would try not to weaponize their power against the former opressor. Especially since women are being put in weaker positions precisely because they are raised to be more collective-focused. They're seen as more caring, as centered around child-raising, helping the elderly, etc. I'm not sure how it could be bad for men should caring for others become more of a focus of society...
Regardless, what Iām saying is this behaviour should not be acceptable or normalised, just my anecdotal evidence over the years, men bashing has become acceptable. Similar posts Iāve seen, if reversed, there would be hell to pay.
What behavior? Women are generally not in a position of sufficient power for their supposed hatred to manifest. As you've said, you have anecdotal evidence (which you haven't told us about), but that doesn't mean there's a widespread problem. Contrary to misogyny, which has very concrete and widespread effects on women's lives.
Men kill and rape women in the masses, women rightfully hate men for it. Not the same
Ooooh Jesus weptā¦.
Excellent thought and reply!
That just seems like incompatibility.
His post was not about a confidant woman who knows her worth. His post was about women that think being loud and obnoxious and just plain mean is a boss thing. There are a lot of them out there. Nobody wants to deal with that. Man or woman
Then heās using a misnomer by defining them as āstrong, confident womenā when thatās not why heās talking about.Ā
I mean...you haven't seen the "if you can't handle me at my worst you don't deserve me at my best" bumper stickers? That's the type of woman OP is talking about. Using your man as an emotional (and generally physical too....) punching bag doesn't make you "strong", just the opposite in reality.
Once again I donāt view that statement as āif you canāt handle me at my worst (abusive)ā I see it as her āworstā is when women are vulnerable, an emotional mess, maybe overwhelmed and burnt out, etc.
Like myself, my āworstā is when Iām suicidal. Iām in need of support during that time. Iām not easy or friendly or happy during that time. I am at my worst.
If you wonāt stick by my side during that time then no you donāt deserve to be around me when I am in a good place cause thatās a shitty thing to do.
To touch on what you said about being a punching bag and āstrongā. No woman has a right to be abusive. No one has any right to use someone as an emotional or physical punching bag.
I donāt think āstrongā women are women who are abusive. I think strong women as women who donāt let obstacles stand in their way, who are resilient and can bounce back after life happens.
Abusive is abusive, and itās unacceptable.
Your partner is not your therapist. If you're constantly trauma dumping and being emotionally abusive, you're a bad partner.
And yes, for what it's worth, that saying is a massive red flag to anyone.
Thatās not what I said???
I have a therapist and psychiatrist and Iām very independent but roughly once or twice a year I need his support because I feel hopeless.
You should be able to lean on your partner. If you canāt rely on them for support then theyāre not a good partner.
I donāt see him as my therapist. I see him as my life-long partner and I told him early on into our relationship I would need his support from time to time and if he wasnāt okay with that we wouldnāt be a good match because I do need a support system.
But he said heād try and in the 4.5 years Iāve had to call him 3 times. Our calls lasted anywhere from 45 minutes and one time two hours and it wasnāt a constant āI wanna dieā it was more of a āhey Iām really struggling with intrusive thoughts, can we talk about xyz to keep my mind off things for a while?ā
Yes I agree, partners should not be therapists. The average person shouldnāt have to deal with emotional baggage on a day to day basis. But you need to support each other and be able to depend on one another to help you through tough times.
How are those "better options" working out for you?
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I'd be cool if he could give an example, cause i have a feeling the "rude and unpleasant" part could just mean a girl repeatedly telling him "No" but with an elevated tone on the 5th.
Ehh, I think "aggressive, rude, and generally unpleasant" is very subjective and too vague to define, especially considering gender norms have created certain expectations for how women should act. I'd bet this guy would call any woman unpleasant and rude if they used the exact tone he's using in that tweet.
Exactly. They call men ambitious, no-nonsense, and stoic; for women, they're called aggressive, bitchy, and cold. Look at how the world views male CEOs versus female - the men are considered cool, assured, and confident, while the women are called aloof, arrogant, and frigid.
Tell me you donāt know what a strong woman is is without telling me š¤£ but, please, do go on for better options.
It goes the same way for men. We think being tough is being a d*ck, taking control of everyone and every situation, being the most commanding in the room.
Really it just makes you the person everyone has to warn each other about before meeting. I canāt tell you how many times Iāve been warned about someoneās attitude before being introduced. Men and women. Iām a big guy, but very even tempered. The second I hear I need to watch out for you or your feelings, or youāll act out and get a certain way, is basically guaranteeing Iām going to match your energy.
Funnily enough, the women almost always respect it, and the men get super butthurt and wanna fight or shrimp away. Itās all about ego, and unfortunately, men hold onto ego more than we should.
What do you think a strong woman is?
It sounds like the tweet authorās definition of āstrong womanā is entirely different to what women usually define it as. Women who try to match men in aggression arenāt considered strong women, the term usually refers to women who are strong minded/strong willed who donāt bend to the will of men.
I do agree. I like a strong woman, just like I like a strong man.
What I donāt like in either of the sexes are just utter dickheads and nobs who think their behaviour makes them strongā¦No, youāre just a dick or a bitch.
But if you call a woman out for it turns into āYou just donāt like strong womenā reverse the situation its āHeās just a total dick.ā Men do t defend and say heās just alpha or a strong man. Weāll happily say heās just a Cu*
Iām sure there are men out there that hate the fact that they canāt control a women and there are women out there who try to control a man.
Iām sick and tired of men ALL being painted with the same brush.
In my opinion, men and women are just as bad as each other in different ways. I realise women have had it tougher, been suppress but letās not suggest that things arenāt changing.
What Iāve noticed over the years. An increase in women con artists. Elizabeth Holmes probably one of the worst of the worst.
Hollywood writing "strong women": basically make her a man. And gay.
Clueless feminists
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I'm a woman and I agree 100%. Society has lost compass about what a 'strong' woman is.