They have been planning this for some time. On Thursday they fired a load of fireworks in front of the stadium. (We felt like the world was coming to an end) but then nobody really punished them for it. So, they had been successfully testing the boundaries of security for a time culminating in this.
Dutch people have a REALLY WEIRD relationship with fireworks. They are technically banned, but there is a lot of it. (Basically imagine every stereotype you heard about weed in the Netherlands were true, except it is not weed, it is fireworks)
People get injured every year and there is lots of damage yet they seem to be unwilling or unable to do anything about it. DO NOT be anywhere in the Netherlands on new years eve
I wish I’d known that 20 years ago as a tourist in a little town in NL on New Year’s Eve at midnight. Our Dutch host had neglected to tell us this little tidbit while we housesat. Walking in what we thought was a very quiet village when every window opened up at the strike of 12 and it rained down fireworks. I thought I must have time travelled back to WWII under its occupation or something.
The govenment here in the Netherlands is about to ban fireworks for good. A lot of people bought tons of fireworks believing this will be the last new year's eve that's allowed.
I'm not sure if this event had anything to do with that, but I'd assume so.
It was voted for back in april. They tried regulation and information campaigns for decades now, but it doesn't seem to have helped at all. Polls show a large majority are supporting this as well.
To be accurate here the ban would be enforced (hopefully) year 2026/2027 also this is just in the NL, it would still be possible to buy in Germany for example. Worth mentioning as well that currently 19cities have banned fireworks on NYE and… it changes nothing!
I lived in a US state where fireworks were banned. As kids me and 4 of my buddies would pile in to our friend's mom's car and she'd drive us just across the state line where fireworks were legal, we'd use the money we saved over the summer, and come home with enough fireworks to do our own show all night. Banning the fireworks does not help, and we definitely set the neighbor's grass on fire one year
The fact that what looks like a raging fire was totally fine and didn’t stop play until the aerial fireworks went off is completely unhinged.
As someone who has watched the documentaries on the Station nightclub fire, The Who concert, Hillsborough disaster, Kiss nightclub, etc and attends lots of concerts/events, if I saw anything even close to this I would be heading for the exit immediately.
No, I am referencing this video. But based on the smoke, it appears the flares have been going for a bit before the aerial fireworks are launched and play is suspended.
I'm not sure, that's a lot of flares i imagine the smoke would build up that quickly. it makes sense that they set them off right after the clock hit 5 minutes
Would you be better making for the field instead? Any place away from a potential stampead and crush event would be better. Going for the exit only works if you make it out before everyone else has the same idea.
Of you have ever been to the Johann Crufff Arena you would appreciate that your comment has no relation to the video and yes I work in events and I used to live next to Hillsborough your comparing oranges with
apples, it's bad behaviour by fans yes but it isn't a complete disaster like the others you mention. Game was stopped all good, Ajax will get a massive fine
I’m not saying it is the same as those disasters, but that much fire has the potential to become a disaster, and I personally would not want to stay in that stadium.
“It’s not fire, it’s just an incendiary flare that can burn between twice and 3x the temperature of a wood fire…”
Look I’m just expressing my opinion, if you feel safe in a stadium of 50,000 people with hundreds of flares going off, good on you, have fun! But as I said: as someone who has seen how quickly “fun with pyrotechnics” can turn into hundreds dead and many more injured in crowd crush, smoke inhalation, and burns I’m not going to hang around.
Yea, 99/100 times nothing is going to happen, and I’ll be the boring person outside, but I go to enough live events that I'm not going to take those odds.
The problem with that approach is that basically any “fan” of a rival club can do the same thing to sabotage. It’s very difficult to prove who supports which club.
ok? and if a team cant prevent someone from bringing in THAT many explosive devices into a stadium with tens of thousands of people, they deserve the L
it doesnt matter 'supporters' or whatever
any terrorist watching that is going 'WAIT IT COULD HAVE BEEN THIS EASY THE WHOLE TIME??'
one could be a grenade not a firework. hell to bring in that much shit they couldve brought in half a weapons depot
That's not true at all - these actions come from the ultras. If it's the visiting team, their ultras are highly corralled into one section of the stadium. If they tried to buy regular tickets and "infiltrate" the home teams ultras section, they'd get the shit kicked out of them.
It’s not that hard to join ultra’s, or persuade them to do something stupid or even blackmail them. If we set precedent with points loss, it will become a shitshow competition between ultra’s of all competing clubs.
People have been trying to fix matches since the dawn of football. If you can place a bet on it and known the outcome, there is a lot of money to be made.
But sportsbooks would void the bet? A forfeit wouldn’t be counted as a win, unless there’s a distinct line for a forfeit or no contest… which would never happen and would be investigated almost immediately
Good. All the games of those teams are lost, or they get banned. See how quickly the sponsors take away their money and suddenly soccer gets reformed to bring back the lost revenue. Even better, take away all the police and emergency services supplied by taxpayers, and force teams to pay for their own private services to deal with ultras.
No, sections behind the goals are reserved for the die-hard fans of each team, to isolate them from one another and prevent fighting. They all know each other and would immediately notice if a bunch of interlopers walked in.
Disruptive actions from the ultras is a tradition that goes back several decades, in all countries, and it's never an infiltrator. Punishing the club is an extremely effective measure, as it's the host who is responsible for security in the stadium. It's not a new idea, and has been put into practice several times already, all to great effect.
That is not true. These seats are taken by the hardcore fans. Invading those seats from another team will get you punched in the face. Hard. And this is not a one man's job, have you seen that video?
Yes, I have seen the video. Then you also know that they brought in fireworks through an emergency exit, right? If you can bring in bazooka's through an emergency exit, then it isn't farfetched for fans of a rival club to somehow get in the ultra's zone and light some fireworks somehow. Or persuade someone who's already in the ultra's to do it.
I'm not sure if it will happen, but subtracting points for any of these offenses will surely lead to some sort of race to at least try it. I'm just saying you cannot punish a club with points reduction due to an outside factor that is only limited in their span of control.
Why does the announcer sound like the Canadian announcer from the Canadian Royal Wedding episode of South Park
"Fireworks are certainly not tradition. The players are being led off the field, this is indeed breaking tradition. This is a sad day for football, and therefore the world"
People that entered the normal way breached the fire exit from the inside. Others with the fireworks could enter that way without being checked. Possibly in combination with the suggesting there other commenter made.
The hooligans wanted to "honor" a decreased fan of Ajax that way.
After 6 minutes, this match was cancelled and played in an empty stadium on a later date.
In the process, a terminally ill fan. Who was in the stadium. Missed the last match of his life that way. He was too weak to attend the empty stadium match, a few days later.
Are you romanticizing or joking? Just a few months ago I watched American football fans attack a mother and child, rob the mother's wallet and kids hat just cuz they had a opposing team jersey's....
It's not one sport, it's all sports where low intelligence people are combined with alcohol and aggression, which is most, unfortunately.
Oh I agree, my point was centered more at the fact that stupid people tend to gravitate to sports, just like with anything the few give a bad name to the many just like in your comment, hooligans are what comes to mind when you think of football, instead of the sport itself.
Ps. Im not bashing sports it's just that the world has created a way to give even the most braindead people but with a talent for physical things to be superstars, which ofc pulls many braindead non talented ones to act like their accomplishments are their and failures too, which lead to shit like hooliganism aka aggressivenes+mob mentality
Did you read the whole comment? I said sports as in all sports, sure you will find there is one worse than the other in terms of fans but, all Sports are and will allways be a magnet for stupid people, and those 5% stupid aggressive people will be the ones to paint the picture of how the other 95% normal ones who enjoy it are.
The screen saying "Setting off fireworks is prohibited" really got the message across well
It's pointing the wrong way!
I know there is one on both sides.
https://i.redd.it/9dhv17x2rg4g1.jpeg
How tf they get through security? Or is security rare at events like these outside the US?
Real answer, they forced open an emergency exit and a lot of people got in without tickets and without being checked.
The more fun answer is they are currently still walking around with an asshole that's dilated about 15cm
Can it be both? Just imagine having one of those things inside climbing a fence to get through to the stadium
They have been planning this for some time. On Thursday they fired a load of fireworks in front of the stadium. (We felt like the world was coming to an end) but then nobody really punished them for it. So, they had been successfully testing the boundaries of security for a time culminating in this.
Dutch people have a REALLY WEIRD relationship with fireworks. They are technically banned, but there is a lot of it. (Basically imagine every stereotype you heard about weed in the Netherlands were true, except it is not weed, it is fireworks) People get injured every year and there is lots of damage yet they seem to be unwilling or unable to do anything about it. DO NOT be anywhere in the Netherlands on new years eve
I wish I’d known that 20 years ago as a tourist in a little town in NL on New Year’s Eve at midnight. Our Dutch host had neglected to tell us this little tidbit while we housesat. Walking in what we thought was a very quiet village when every window opened up at the strike of 12 and it rained down fireworks. I thought I must have time travelled back to WWII under its occupation or something.
Also a bit of less security. we don't have sniper nests at our events, for example.
Oh... I mistranslated it to, "Setting of fireworks is really great"
I hate having seats in the Mordor section
nasty fireworkses!!
You ruins it!!
i love it
You shall not pass!!
Switch seats then
Wtf
Flares are a bit much! Gonna burn the place down.
The govenment here in the Netherlands is about to ban fireworks for good. A lot of people bought tons of fireworks believing this will be the last new year's eve that's allowed.
I'm not sure if this event had anything to do with that, but I'd assume so.
It was voted for back in april. They tried regulation and information campaigns for decades now, but it doesn't seem to have helped at all. Polls show a large majority are supporting this as well.
To be accurate here the ban would be enforced (hopefully) year 2026/2027 also this is just in the NL, it would still be possible to buy in Germany for example. Worth mentioning as well that currently 19cities have banned fireworks on NYE and… it changes nothing!
I lived in a US state where fireworks were banned. As kids me and 4 of my buddies would pile in to our friend's mom's car and she'd drive us just across the state line where fireworks were legal, we'd use the money we saved over the summer, and come home with enough fireworks to do our own show all night. Banning the fireworks does not help, and we definitely set the neighbor's grass on fire one year
My dog supports it
Honestly Bonfire night felt like being attacked just walking to the shop so many were being lit up
Don’t even see the point and animals literally get petrified from it
I think it won't work. The illegal stuff is the main concern and that is already illegal.
Fireworks for evil still all legal though?
No, but that doesn't stop evil firework-users from fireworking. By definition.
What about neutral firework-users? Nobody ever considers them.... :(
Neutrals have nothing to celebrate.
Sad Switzerland noises...
Nope it's a bunch of hooligans shooting off fireworks in "rememberance" of some supporter who passed away
I really hope they do ban them. So tired of my dog suffering every fall.
I hear this same thing every year.
Nothing is going to be banned
Every year people will believe it would be
Every year is going to be like this
Why don't you have fireworks at shows there, they are fun to watch?
Expectation: a few fireworks.
Reality: what appears to be an inferno.
An inferno of handheld flares.
"MY GOD ARE THE PEOPLE ON FIRE?!"
no, but they are holding fire...
Don't flares get too hot to hold? Or are these special "hooligan flares?"
That's a good dose of lung cancer right there
Lung, brain, liver, kidney, bladder,...
Eye as well. Its brighter than the sun ffs
The Netherlands have the 4th highest cancer rate in Europe
That’s also because preventative medicine is not really as actively practiced here as much as other countries do it.
Please. Preventative firework safety is even non existent
True. I imagine all the chemicals they inhale from the smoke also contributes to the high cancer rate
even with a mask (wich i hope most ppl had with them)
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The fact that what looks like a raging fire was totally fine and didn’t stop play until the aerial fireworks went off is completely unhinged.
As someone who has watched the documentaries on the Station nightclub fire, The Who concert, Hillsborough disaster, Kiss nightclub, etc and attends lots of concerts/events, if I saw anything even close to this I would be heading for the exit immediately.
this is all i've seen of this, is there a different video you're referring to?
No, I am referencing this video. But based on the smoke, it appears the flares have been going for a bit before the aerial fireworks are launched and play is suspended.
That's just a matter of a few seconds before. If the ref was looking in a different direction he wouldn't have noticed.
I'm not sure, that's a lot of flares i imagine the smoke would build up that quickly. it makes sense that they set them off right after the clock hit 5 minutes
Would you be better making for the field instead? Any place away from a potential stampead and crush event would be better. Going for the exit only works if you make it out before everyone else has the same idea.
Judging by the looks of the crowd, and the response of a local. It seems no one else would be heading for the exit lol
Of you have ever been to the Johann Crufff Arena you would appreciate that your comment has no relation to the video and yes I work in events and I used to live next to Hillsborough your comparing oranges with apples, it's bad behaviour by fans yes but it isn't a complete disaster like the others you mention. Game was stopped all good, Ajax will get a massive fine
I’m not saying it is the same as those disasters, but that much fire has the potential to become a disaster, and I personally would not want to stay in that stadium.
It’s not a fire though, it’s just flares
“It’s not fire, it’s just an incendiary flare that can burn between twice and 3x the temperature of a wood fire…”
Look I’m just expressing my opinion, if you feel safe in a stadium of 50,000 people with hundreds of flares going off, good on you, have fun! But as I said: as someone who has seen how quickly “fun with pyrotechnics” can turn into hundreds dead and many more injured in crowd crush, smoke inhalation, and burns I’m not going to hang around.
Yea, 99/100 times nothing is going to happen, and I’ll be the boring person outside, but I go to enough live events that I'm not going to take those odds.
Call off match, 3 0 loss for team whose fans are responsible. Watch how quickly it stops.
The problem with that approach is that basically any “fan” of a rival club can do the same thing to sabotage. It’s very difficult to prove who supports which club.
But there must be penalties, that I agree
ok? and if a team cant prevent someone from bringing in THAT many explosive devices into a stadium with tens of thousands of people, they deserve the L
it doesnt matter 'supporters' or whatever
any terrorist watching that is going 'WAIT IT COULD HAVE BEEN THIS EASY THE WHOLE TIME??'
one could be a grenade not a firework. hell to bring in that much shit they couldve brought in half a weapons depot
That's not true at all - these actions come from the ultras. If it's the visiting team, their ultras are highly corralled into one section of the stadium. If they tried to buy regular tickets and "infiltrate" the home teams ultras section, they'd get the shit kicked out of them.
It’s not that hard to join ultra’s, or persuade them to do something stupid or even blackmail them. If we set precedent with points loss, it will become a shitshow competition between ultra’s of all competing clubs.
If the rule is no flares or fireworks from your section or else you're team looses, anyone pulling this shit will get clobbered.
Plenty of people who will take a clobbering for money
And then they’ll be banned. Is there some dark football entity that’s going to find and pay this endless line of people to do this every weekend? No
People have been trying to fix matches since the dawn of football. If you can place a bet on it and known the outcome, there is a lot of money to be made.
But sportsbooks would void the bet? A forfeit wouldn’t be counted as a win, unless there’s a distinct line for a forfeit or no contest… which would never happen and would be investigated almost immediately
Doesn't have to be every weekend does it.
Has to be once with one person during a cup final or something.
The dark football entity are other fans
One singular person wouldn’t trigger this rule lmao
Right so the rule is youre allowed a certain amount of fireworks / people setting off fireworks or the game is forfeit?
Good. All the games of those teams are lost, or they get banned. See how quickly the sponsors take away their money and suddenly soccer gets reformed to bring back the lost revenue. Even better, take away all the police and emergency services supplied by taxpayers, and force teams to pay for their own private services to deal with ultras.
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Proper screenings at entry. It is the home teams job to screen people coming in.
No, sections behind the goals are reserved for the die-hard fans of each team, to isolate them from one another and prevent fighting. They all know each other and would immediately notice if a bunch of interlopers walked in.
Disruptive actions from the ultras is a tradition that goes back several decades, in all countries, and it's never an infiltrator. Punishing the club is an extremely effective measure, as it's the host who is responsible for security in the stadium. It's not a new idea, and has been put into practice several times already, all to great effect.
If it’s in a clubs supporters section and all over the place like this and the announcers knew about it….
That is not true. These seats are taken by the hardcore fans. Invading those seats from another team will get you punched in the face. Hard. And this is not a one man's job, have you seen that video?
Yes, I have seen the video. Then you also know that they brought in fireworks through an emergency exit, right? If you can bring in bazooka's through an emergency exit, then it isn't farfetched for fans of a rival club to somehow get in the ultra's zone and light some fireworks somehow. Or persuade someone who's already in the ultra's to do it.
I'm not sure if it will happen, but subtracting points for any of these offenses will surely lead to some sort of race to at least try it. I'm just saying you cannot punish a club with points reduction due to an outside factor that is only limited in their span of control.
Hooligans actually give zero fucks about their team. They are in it for the experience
Yup, should apply to every shitty thing happening in stadiums really - not just fireworks.
Lmao it’s actually this simple. People are talking about cancelling games and losing points.
The queue will be 2 weeks long and will deter this from becoming a lasting trend.
95iq solution
Why does the announcer sound like the Canadian announcer from the Canadian Royal Wedding episode of South Park
"Fireworks are certainly not tradition. The players are being led off the field, this is indeed breaking tradition. This is a sad day for football, and therefore the world"
On vacation and was at the match. It was crazy to see. The crappy part was once play resumed, 15 seconds in and more flares were lit.
That can't be good for your lungs
How did so many people get fireworks into the stadium?
These are Ultras so I suppose security members were instructed to not prevent them to avoid a possible brawl at the entrance.
The game is scheduled to be played tomorrow with close doors (empty stadium).
People that entered the normal way breached the fire exit from the inside. Others with the fireworks could enter that way without being checked. Possibly in combination with the suggesting there other commenter made.
You are telling me there was an uncertain amount of unchecked people entering this stadium and they decided to just ignore that and start the game?
Lets honour someone who passed away by nearly setting everyone on fire.
What if they died in a fire at a sea parks?
It's the funnest, wettest, most splish-splashy place in the world!
IT Crowd?
Silly me, thinking I was about to witness a rogue fan setting off a firework for a laugh. Should have known it would be WALL OF FIRE.
The hooligans wanted to "honor" a decreased fan of Ajax that way. After 6 minutes, this match was cancelled and played in an empty stadium on a later date.
In the process, a terminally ill fan. Who was in the stadium. Missed the last match of his life that way. He was too weak to attend the empty stadium match, a few days later.
Stupid fuckers
Insanity
We did this so often in Brazil but delays are kind of rare or very brief (20mins for smoke to die down)
They should empty that whole block and let them watch TV for a year lol
JFC. It looks like people are buying alive. Meanwhile, footballers are peeved since they can't continue the game.
Wild.
Utterly bizarre.
Oops! All fire editionThought this was a halftime show my bad
Just give their team a matchloss and you quickly have a motivator for fans to behave.
Casual Napalm, classic.
One does not simply walk into mordor
Talk about a premature celebration – fireworks before the final whistle! 😂
Stadium security has to answer a lot of questions. How those brain-deaders managed to introduce all those pyrotechnics?
Soccer fans really are the worst.
Stuff like this, or the violent mobs, don't really happen in other sports.
Are you romanticizing or joking? Just a few months ago I watched American football fans attack a mother and child, rob the mother's wallet and kids hat just cuz they had a opposing team jersey's....
It's not one sport, it's all sports where low intelligence people are combined with alcohol and aggression, which is most, unfortunately.
Edit: correction at into hat
I do feel there's more aggressiveness around soccer than nfl.
There are just far more people playing football than american football
True, I think ticket prices of NFL are also so egregious that they act as a filter.
One incident isn't quite the same as decades of hooliganism
Oh I agree, my point was centered more at the fact that stupid people tend to gravitate to sports, just like with anything the few give a bad name to the many just like in your comment, hooligans are what comes to mind when you think of football, instead of the sport itself.
Ps. Im not bashing sports it's just that the world has created a way to give even the most braindead people but with a talent for physical things to be superstars, which ofc pulls many braindead non talented ones to act like their accomplishments are their and failures too, which lead to shit like hooliganism aka aggressivenes+mob mentality
Are you joking? Football fights are so commonplace there's a movie about it (Green Street). Don't even try to compare to American football.
Did you read the whole comment? I said sports as in all sports, sure you will find there is one worse than the other in terms of fans but, all Sports are and will allways be a magnet for stupid people, and those 5% stupid aggressive people will be the ones to paint the picture of how the other 95% normal ones who enjoy it are.
Seems like a stadium thing, and not a fan thingI take it back — this was not a stadium thing… it actually helped to not watch this one on mute
I’m sorry…. Security missed a whole section bringing in fireworks???
They forced their way in through an emergency exit, violently I might add.
I think cause football is played everywhere (vs Football in the US or Rugby in some countries) we see more bad behaviour.
NHL, NFL, NBA, MLB have all had riots and fans causing destruction and chaos. Very easy to google.
"Have had" is very different to "is commonplace"
What are you talking about that looks awesome
This guy goes to sideshows
I have absolutely no idea what that's supposed to mean
My American mind is boggled.
Its like shooting bullets into the sky, but less falling projectiles and more fire.
Less children in the crosshairs
Violence surrounding soccer matches is far more common than school shootings but good try dipshit
Wow didn’t know the USA’s hooliganism had improved so much.
The Americans prefer the vehicle-delivered hooliganism.
"Walk?! Do you have any idea how far it is? Get in the car."
You have to be a special kind of stupid if you think this is making some sort of reasonable argument.
As stupid as someone bringing up "children in the crosshairs" because their culture is under fire
Nah, their joke was stupid, but your retort being stupid is definitely the bigger L. I don't think you even realize how bad of an argument it was.
Next 3 -5 match with the stadium close to the supporter might make them understand.
Holy shit. As someone who watched the Bradford fire live on TV, this is scary as shit.
Everyone from /r/TedLasso recognized that announcer's voice immediately.
That smoke looks healthy.
Talk about a fiery way to delay the game! 😂
They should have doused that whole end of the stadium with firehoses and just soaked everyone.
A few wouldn't be so bad but jeez that could've sent the whole place up; absolutely mental.
If no firehoses then sprinklers in the roofs I reckon🤷♂️
Ultras strike again, just causing utter bullshit…
They did this for a fan who passed away. It looks like they are trying to kill everyone in the stadium!
Kankertokkies
talk about a explosive start to the match! wild.
Whoa, fireworks turning the stadium into a real fireworks show? Epic chaos!
Neutral fireworks? That's just a spark of genius!
Football fans are really their own worst enemies 😂😂😂
Raging inferno, from afar it looks like that’s super dangerous
never understood football fans. most of the really passionate ones are completed clapped
Who the hell sets off fireworks during a match? Chaos as usual.
That's awesome
Yeah so let's just potentially kill 100s in a stadium fire....like wtf is this logic 🤦🏽♂️
This is an auto loss and deduction of points if they want to get serious about it.
RIP Tum.
I thought Erika Kirk was gonna come walking out
God why are Americans so stupid
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