I mean, practically, they’re in different leagues. Baristas don’t show up and people get annoyed they don’t get to pay for coffee. Teamsters don’t show up and the consequences are much higher.
So yeah, one occupation is a lot more essential and because of that they have more negotiating power. Doesn’t mean baristas are worth less morally or don’t deserve good working conditions, but practically? They’re plainly not as important in society.
One makes overpriced coffee and the other is the transportation and logistics backbone of the country. I connected the dots.
The baristas have been on strike for a few weeks now and there's no impact to the country. Whereas, UPS Teamsters authorized a strike in 2023 but two days before the strike, an agreement was reached as their strike would have had global impacts.
I never brought up working conditions nor are barista working in the mines. All I said is baristas aren't important, because they're not. Get a real job.
Should baristas not exist at all or do you think that being replaceable is a good reason to have a shit wage (which would lead to anyone in the position of a barista with a shitty wage despite putting in lifetime)?
disgusting ahh person
Teamsters have sanctioned the strike and are refusing to cross picket lines - delivery drivers, trash pickup, etc. What a wild, scabby take - we're all working class. We all provide service to a society that undervalues our contributions. We all deserve a living wage and recent working conditions.
This sad working class caste mindset is exactly how politicians convince some regular working class people that other regular working class people deserve less.
People who do fashion history and stuff? Lace making, weaving, etc to learn the crafts? I know my textile materials teacher has graduated from conservation and restoration of textiles.
And she had to do historically accurate lace making etc for a class and refuses to do needle lace ever again, but actually enjoyed bobbin lace making.
Yep, a weaving technique allowing for patterns, usually used for ribbons. The name comes from the "cards" used. It was pretty popular in medieval era, look it up! It's coming back, so you can find patterns online. It's also known as tablet weaving.
Yep. I'm planning on nagging my teacher to show me during the next open door day. Our classroom is pretty boring during those, making them perfect for holing up when you're bad at being around a lot of people. We're actually sort-of friends? She's like 8 years older than me, tops, and appreciates that at least one person in class was actually enthusiastic about it. And the fact that I keep bringing interesting fabric samples for the school teaching material hoard helps too.
This is kind of a disgusting comment.
Textile arts have been disrespected for centuries because it was done by women, and therefore not as respected as the "real arts" done by men who painted or sculpted. But it is a true art form and thank god finally starting to get appreciation in the art world.
For an old classical example of textile art, look at the bayeux tapestry.
For modern examples, look at for example the work of Joyce Overheul.
Yepp, thank you for calling it out! The erasure of fiber arts as an integral part of human civilization, especially in enabling the settlement of colder regions, is unfortunately so common and extremely infuriating. Like so many other things where the majority of participants are women, they are disregarded.
Even cooking is still like that. When women do it professionally and get big they are marketed with home making, when men do it they are marketed with travel and exploration.
Why? The literal definition of textile art is "art made with natural or synthetic fibers". Really, fiber art would be the more clear name. I just used textile art because that is what I've seen used most commonly.
Underwater basket weaving is literally the go to 'absurd college degree'. It's no wonder people might raise their eye brows at a 'fiber arts major'. If you paired it with "Fiber arts major at SCAD" people might go "Oh, legitimate school, probably a real major" but otherwise it sounds entirely unserious.
Don’t worry I don’t think people should major in sculpting or painting either.
That isn’t to say people shouldn’t study these fields. The arts are very important to society and humanity, just like but in a different way as chemistry or mathematics.
I think college as the avenue for studying these technical artistic fields is flawed, and I don’t think people should go to college to study them.
In an ideal world, these people should have access to apprenticeships and trade schools for the arts.
We used to have guilds and apprenticeships. Those are much less common these days. People use colleges and universities to learn things.
Do you expect people to just know how to make lace, and know how to make it at various economies of scale? Even just making various fabrics is a type of fiber art.
I’d invite you to consider if you’re thinking of fiber arts as less important than other forms or art (or history) because they’re traditionally associated with women.
Entire economies used to run on the exchange of cloth.
I majored in Crafts with a focus on fiber art and ceramics. I was going to be an art teacher but ended up teaching STEM instead. What’s your question? Or are you just being a dick?
Fiber arts majors can do things like printing, designing elaborate weaves, figure out how to make a particular style of lace and more. They are all fashion related, but as someone studying fashion design in particular, there are a fuckton of different niches.
My absolute nerd (in the nicest way possible) of a textile materials teacher is currently writing her thesis to graduate from textile conservation and restoration. A different teacher's husband is obsessed with historical armor making. We have 8 different clothes sewing technology teachers that tend to teach both theory in class and practice in the sewing workshop, with most of them also teaching pattern making.
We have a teacher that used to work in a textile factory. We have professional fashion designers teaching us. There are so many little things that fall into the category of fiber arts I can't type enough characters to actually list them all. Let's just say that without fiber arts, you'd either be butt naked, or wearing just hides sewn together with sinews.
I understand why people think this but it’s definitely not the case. I’m a textile artist and nobody I went to school with had this kind of upbringing and we all work regular jobs after leaving school just with a different set of skills
From a knitter's perspective, it's not great execution either. Most of these types of yarn bowls have the hole open to the rim, otherwise you have to cut the yarn or pull the entire ball through to remove the project from it.
Dumb question, but if you're done with that particular yarn, or if the project is done, wouldn't you have to cut it anyway? I'm wracking my brain trying to understand how you wouldn't need to cut the yarn when you're trying to separate it from the project.
Not dumb at all! Yes, you'll need to cut the yarn when you're finished. But if you want to take your project out of the house to work on, you'll have to lug the bowl along with you too. (I usually bring a small project with me if I might have to sit and wait for an appointment to start or whatever.)
Ohhhhhhhhhh yep duh that makes perfect sense! My best friend knits and has literally brought projects to my place so I don't know why I didn't think of that lol.
Going to the actual artists page ("Something Lucky"/"lucky stradley pottery") they appear to actually be decent execution. The show face (so to speak) has the nostril yarn exit but the back of the head has the curly-q type traditional yarn bowl hook. So the nose yarn is just for looks. Party up front, business in the back basically the reverse mullet of yarn bowls.
People above arguing over someone asking what “fiber arts” means; someone call them disgusting for that (lmfao) and it’s devolved into a hissy fit about misogyny, useless college degrees, devaluing “the arts” and people making incredibly dumb gotcha comments like they are just so clever.
If you're referring to what is currently the top comment, it was not asking what fibre arts is. They said "Who is majoring in "fiber arts"?", which is more of a condescending remark than a sincere inquiry.
This reminds me of an egg separator that my memere has had for YEARS. It's a handmade mug, got a gross lil face on it with a big nose that has functioning nostrils, and the nostrils are just big enough for the egg white to come out but the egg yolk stays behind.
My papa used to tell us grandkids that it was draining the boogers out of the eggs. We were all 3 of us MORTIFIED and hated eggs for a while, thinking they were actually full of boogers.
I believe it might be this lil dude, the "Peter Petrie Egg Separator" The color about matches, but I can't remember for sure. After thinking about it, it's been well over a decade now since my papa passed, so at least that long since I was it.
I want to say the one he had was glazed in a darker color though. There seems to be a rare blue one but I think his was more like a creamy coffee color (we're really scraping the bottom of the barrel on my memory here lol)
If you are asking seriously, since.. well for a while. Bachelors of Arts and Bachelors of Science degrees have different majors so people can choose their emphasis.
Fiber arts / textiles
Pottery
Sequential Art
Illustration
Painting
Jewelry making
Biology
Chemistry
Anthropology.
Those are all differing majors. The title said fiber arts and pottery, not arts and pottery.
Good thing that in most places you don't need to go into debt for life to study then.
Jokes on you, my favorite teacher is graduating in textile conservation and restoration and has two jobs. One to teach high schoolers about fashion history and textile materials and their properties (fashion design high school, here you pick a specialisation when choosing a high school you want to get into through entrance exams), the other is actual restoration work. Both very much in the field.
That’s excellent. There really isn’t a joke to be on me though. Anecdotal evidence doesn’t define the rule. The truth is that you don’t need a fiber arts degree or a pottery degree- you can probably be equally as successful in the field without one. Thus probably shouldn’t spend the money, or the time. You
You know what does that for free? Experience in the field. Exposure. The modern academia structure (at least in the west) is a scam. Argue all you want, the truth is just that most available degrees are either redundant or too niche to actually be worth it. “Fiber arts” isn’t what you should be paying your money or time to go through college studying.
Have you considered that people go to college for stuff they enjoy instead of just money? To learn more than just the surface level stuff with actual educators? I know that in places with exorbitant tuition it's rare, but some people actually enjoy studying. Or you can do a practical degree first, then do evening classes for what you enjoy.l
I'm friends with a few fiber artists. They are literally making clothing, textiles, etc. But by all means, please tell me what you learned by googling.
Who is majoring in "fiber arts"?
Your barista
They're on strike I think
And incredibly replaceable.
I agree. I used to be a Teamster. They actually accomplish something useful. Baristas? Meh.
Ew!! Who are you to qualify which labor is more important?
I mean, practically, they’re in different leagues. Baristas don’t show up and people get annoyed they don’t get to pay for coffee. Teamsters don’t show up and the consequences are much higher.
So yeah, one occupation is a lot more essential and because of that they have more negotiating power. Doesn’t mean baristas are worth less morally or don’t deserve good working conditions, but practically? They’re plainly not as important in society.
One makes overpriced coffee and the other is the transportation and logistics backbone of the country. I connected the dots.
The baristas have been on strike for a few weeks now and there's no impact to the country. Whereas, UPS Teamsters authorized a strike in 2023 but two days before the strike, an agreement was reached as their strike would have had global impacts.
Yeah baristas should just accept that they are inferior humans and don't deserve the same working conditions as REAL people like me.
/s
I never brought up working conditions nor are barista working in the mines. All I said is baristas aren't important, because they're not. Get a real job.
What even do you think a job is, wtf
Should baristas not exist at all or do you think that being replaceable is a good reason to have a shit wage (which would lead to anyone in the position of a barista with a shitty wage despite putting in lifetime)? disgusting ahh person
I am a barista and what I do is just as important as the pediatric brain surgeon. I should be paid the same.
I think you forgot the /s
Gonna be honest, I didn't know they were on strike.
You don't buy a $10 fancy latte in your way to the office? Look at me bootstrap, are you saving for a downpayment or what?
Teamsters have sanctioned the strike and are refusing to cross picket lines - delivery drivers, trash pickup, etc. What a wild, scabby take - we're all working class. We all provide service to a society that undervalues our contributions. We all deserve a living wage and recent working conditions.
In solitary, an active Teamster
This exact rhetoric was used to refer to you and the job you do before your union secured you some rights and accompanying respectability.
Maybe try to have a tiny bit of empathy and perspective.
Otherwise you're just a useful idiot, helping to sow division amongst the working class.
This sad working class caste mindset is exactly how politicians convince some regular working class people that other regular working class people deserve less.
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Did you reply to the wrong person?
Edit: nvm you meant OP
People who do fashion history and stuff? Lace making, weaving, etc to learn the crafts? I know my textile materials teacher has graduated from conservation and restoration of textiles.
And she had to do historically accurate lace making etc for a class and refuses to do needle lace ever again, but actually enjoyed bobbin lace making.
Also, she loved card weaving
That's cool. Not a world I'm all too familiar with.
So the version of your original question that doesn't make you sound narrow-minded is "What is fiber arts?"
I think the first version of the question is more apropos. There are less than 200 people per year majoring in that; so it isn't narrow minded.
Don't be a douchebag.
Card weaving?
Yep, a weaving technique allowing for patterns, usually used for ribbons. The name comes from the "cards" used. It was pretty popular in medieval era, look it up! It's coming back, so you can find patterns online. It's also known as tablet weaving.
Oh wow. That is really cool, thank you!
Yep. I'm planning on nagging my teacher to show me during the next open door day. Our classroom is pretty boring during those, making them perfect for holing up when you're bad at being around a lot of people. We're actually sort-of friends? She's like 8 years older than me, tops, and appreciates that at least one person in class was actually enthusiastic about it. And the fact that I keep bringing interesting fabric samples for the school teaching material hoard helps too.
This is kind of a disgusting comment. Textile arts have been disrespected for centuries because it was done by women, and therefore not as respected as the "real arts" done by men who painted or sculpted. But it is a true art form and thank god finally starting to get appreciation in the art world.
For an old classical example of textile art, look at the bayeux tapestry.
For modern examples, look at for example the work of Joyce Overheul.
Yepp, thank you for calling it out! The erasure of fiber arts as an integral part of human civilization, especially in enabling the settlement of colder regions, is unfortunately so common and extremely infuriating. Like so many other things where the majority of participants are women, they are disregarded.
Even cooking is still like that. When women do it professionally and get big they are marketed with home making, when men do it they are marketed with travel and exploration.
Wow never thought about it that way, you’re absolutely right
I think its more than most of us have never heard the term 'fiber art' before, rather than what it is.
Which is a good enough reason to frame the question pejoratively.
Did you mean “not to”?
Thats a product of the misogyny though
Do you think the costumes spontaneously appear on the actors in a movie?
We must move in different circles. I've heard of "fiber arts" and so has most everyone I know.
Yeah misogyny disguised as ignorance
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Why? The literal definition of textile art is "art made with natural or synthetic fibers". Really, fiber art would be the more clear name. I just used textile art because that is what I've seen used most commonly.
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Underwater basket weaving is literally the go to 'absurd college degree'. It's no wonder people might raise their eye brows at a 'fiber arts major'. If you paired it with "Fiber arts major at SCAD" people might go "Oh, legitimate school, probably a real major" but otherwise it sounds entirely unserious.
Truly the take of an illiterate Jedi.
Don’t worry I don’t think people should major in sculpting or painting either.
That isn’t to say people shouldn’t study these fields. The arts are very important to society and humanity, just like but in a different way as chemistry or mathematics.
I think college as the avenue for studying these technical artistic fields is flawed, and I don’t think people should go to college to study them.
In an ideal world, these people should have access to apprenticeships and trade schools for the arts.
Potential fibre artists, perhaps.
Excellent point.
I'm still not sure what that means or why it should be a major.
So look it up. You have all the world's information at your fingertips
Do you expect textiles to spring into existence?
No but I never considered them art either. There are lots of things you can make art with we don't need majors for each of them.
We used to have guilds and apprenticeships. Those are much less common these days. People use colleges and universities to learn things.
Do you expect people to just know how to make lace, and know how to make it at various economies of scale? Even just making various fabrics is a type of fiber art.
Materials science and materials engineering. Those are the people who make lace at scale
I’d invite you to consider if you’re thinking of fiber arts as less important than other forms or art (or history) because they’re traditionally associated with women.
Entire economies used to run on the exchange of cloth.
It's making art with textiles, basically. like the Bayeux Tapestry
Concordia U (Montréal, QC, Canada) has a Fiber arts program:
Your ignorance is OK, but this is an Art domain that has existed for centuries. Do you even know of a culture that doesn’t produce textile art?
Millennia!
Definitely millennia. We've been using textiles before we even figured out writing.
ppl who likes textile
I mean, a pottery major is just as useful lol.
I majored in Crafts with a focus on fiber art and ceramics. I was going to be an art teacher but ended up teaching STEM instead. What’s your question? Or are you just being a dick?
Tbh, I would if I could. I finally decided to go back to school to major in painting. 😅
These names for poop player withers is wild.
ATT hires a bunch to lay down internet lines
Don’t know why you got downvoted that was funny
Damn you got downvoted but this is genuinely funny
Back on the day they were called tailors.
Nope, tailoring is the actual sewing.
Pattern makers make patterns for the clothes
Fiber arts majors can do things like printing, designing elaborate weaves, figure out how to make a particular style of lace and more. They are all fashion related, but as someone studying fashion design in particular, there are a fuckton of different niches.
My absolute nerd (in the nicest way possible) of a textile materials teacher is currently writing her thesis to graduate from textile conservation and restoration. A different teacher's husband is obsessed with historical armor making. We have 8 different clothes sewing technology teachers that tend to teach both theory in class and practice in the sewing workshop, with most of them also teaching pattern making.
We have a teacher that used to work in a textile factory. We have professional fashion designers teaching us. There are so many little things that fall into the category of fiber arts I can't type enough characters to actually list them all. Let's just say that without fiber arts, you'd either be butt naked, or wearing just hides sewn together with sinews.
Being scammed by higher ed and loan service providers.
The unemployable
Kids whose parents are so rich that they'll never have to work
I understand why people think this but it’s definitely not the case. I’m a textile artist and nobody I went to school with had this kind of upbringing and we all work regular jobs after leaving school just with a different set of skills
Ah, yes. Schrodinger's Artist. Simultaneously, they will always be poor but have always been rich.
From a knitter's perspective, it's not great execution either. Most of these types of yarn bowls have the hole open to the rim, otherwise you have to cut the yarn or pull the entire ball through to remove the project from it.
Dumb question, but if you're done with that particular yarn, or if the project is done, wouldn't you have to cut it anyway? I'm wracking my brain trying to understand how you wouldn't need to cut the yarn when you're trying to separate it from the project.
Not dumb at all! Yes, you'll need to cut the yarn when you're finished. But if you want to take your project out of the house to work on, you'll have to lug the bowl along with you too. (I usually bring a small project with me if I might have to sit and wait for an appointment to start or whatever.)
Ohhhhhhhhhh yep duh that makes perfect sense! My best friend knits and has literally brought projects to my place so I don't know why I didn't think of that lol.
im not a knitter but most projects are not finished in one sitting, so you need to keep the umbilical cord attached when youre done for the day.
yeah i'd only use this if i was making something huge like a blanket, and leaving it at the house
Going to the actual artists page ("Something Lucky"/"lucky stradley pottery") they appear to actually be decent execution. The show face (so to speak) has the nostril yarn exit but the back of the head has the curly-q type traditional yarn bowl hook. So the nose yarn is just for looks. Party up front, business in the back basically the reverse mullet of yarn bowls.
Oh, nice! Yeah, the artist is clearly very talented. I'm sure they're right up somebody's weird alley, haha
Redesign it upside down and have a cleft lip
I made a yarn bowl for my wife once and that was her big feedback. The piece is linked to the bowl and she’s cursed to actually finish it.
I would totally buy this for my sister lol.
It's a balanced mix of ugly and cute and hilarious. I like it.
This is made by Lucky Stradley, whose work is self described as "functional pottery with faces on it"
OP is almost definitely a chatbot-powered spammer
r/goblincore would fucking love this
That’s where I saw it first lol
That is clearly from a sculpture major.
Yall are the most boring people on the planet.
Truly.
People above arguing over someone asking what “fiber arts” means; someone call them disgusting for that (lmfao) and it’s devolved into a hissy fit about misogyny, useless college degrees, devaluing “the arts” and people making incredibly dumb gotcha comments like they are just so clever.
If you're referring to what is currently the top comment, it was not asking what fibre arts is. They said "Who is majoring in "fiber arts"?", which is more of a condescending remark than a sincere inquiry.
This is r/GTAGE
Is this supposed to be a depiction of Brutus Buckeye?
That's what I thought lol
This is so cuuuuute
No it’s snot
THIS IS GLORIOUS, AND EXACTLY WHY ART COMMUNITIES ARE A FUCKING TREASURE.
Seriously, tho - that's so well done, and so fun. I love it
I love seeing people who major in interesting stuff; would love to audit fiber arts classes
Here come all the CS majors to degrade the arts! How’s that unemployment line looking?
r/goblincore wants this BAD
This reminds me of an egg separator that my memere has had for YEARS. It's a handmade mug, got a gross lil face on it with a big nose that has functioning nostrils, and the nostrils are just big enough for the egg white to come out but the egg yolk stays behind.
My papa used to tell us grandkids that it was draining the boogers out of the eggs. We were all 3 of us MORTIFIED and hated eggs for a while, thinking they were actually full of boogers.
Got a photo you can link? I'd love to see it
I believe it might be this lil dude, the "Peter Petrie Egg Separator" The color about matches, but I can't remember for sure. After thinking about it, it's been well over a decade now since my papa passed, so at least that long since I was it.
I want to say the one he had was glazed in a darker color though. There seems to be a rare blue one but I think his was more like a creamy coffee color (we're really scraping the bottom of the barrel on my memory here lol)
That's so dumb. I love it.
Right?! It's disgustingly great 😂
tophiachu
pottery is art, since when would these be different "majors"?
If you are asking seriously, since.. well for a while. Bachelors of Arts and Bachelors of Science degrees have different majors so people can choose their emphasis. Fiber arts / textiles Pottery Sequential Art Illustration Painting Jewelry making
Biology Chemistry Anthropology.
Those are all differing majors. The title said fiber arts and pottery, not arts and pottery.
fair I suppose
I have seen dozens of these, but this, by far, is the absolute best...that face and expression are peerless.
Me waiting for trumps health care plan
Nah, this is some kind of ragebait titler major's post
I need this in my crocheting life
I LOVE THIS
This... this really doesnt need to be what happens.
Is that Sloth from The Goonies!
Both of those majors sound like you'll still be working as a barista, except you'll be a barista with student loans and a completely useless degree.
Why does that face look so familiar 🤔
What happens when both of them hang out with some bitches?
Imagine majoring in either one of these things
Um. You can? It's a legit field
A field in which getting a degree really isn’t worth your money. College is a scam for anything outside of stem.
Good thing that in most places you don't need to go into debt for life to study then.
Jokes on you, my favorite teacher is graduating in textile conservation and restoration and has two jobs. One to teach high schoolers about fashion history and textile materials and their properties (fashion design high school, here you pick a specialisation when choosing a high school you want to get into through entrance exams), the other is actual restoration work. Both very much in the field.
That’s excellent. There really isn’t a joke to be on me though. Anecdotal evidence doesn’t define the rule. The truth is that you don’t need a fiber arts degree or a pottery degree- you can probably be equally as successful in the field without one. Thus probably shouldn’t spend the money, or the time. You
Yeah, but it helps build connections in the field, and allows you to actually focus on the field and possibly learn new things related to it.
You know what does that for free? Experience in the field. Exposure. The modern academia structure (at least in the west) is a scam. Argue all you want, the truth is just that most available degrees are either redundant or too niche to actually be worth it. “Fiber arts” isn’t what you should be paying your money or time to go through college studying.
Have you considered that people go to college for stuff they enjoy instead of just money? To learn more than just the surface level stuff with actual educators? I know that in places with exorbitant tuition it's rare, but some people actually enjoy studying. Or you can do a practical degree first, then do evening classes for what you enjoy.l
The fuck is fiber arts
It's an arts major studying insoluble and soluble fiber as a medium
People major in that? As in spend years of their life and probably a shit ton of money to make art with fibers?
threw your all clothes lol. these ppl made it
Um yeah? It's a niche field, populated with the nerdiest people you can imagine, but it's a real thing.
If this is the college experience, it explains a lot...
Mno, this is just the product of a twisted mind. Don't blame the art world for it
When you walk off the stage with your fiber arts degree there's a separate door you exit through. Drops straight into a dumpster.
Fiber artists help create clothing/textiles. Do you not wear clothing?
Lol at least I know what they actually do with that degree.
I don't think you do in the slightest.
Then maybe look it up lmao. It had no more to do with clothing people than any other arts degree.
I'm friends with a few fiber artists. They are literally making clothing, textiles, etc. But by all means, please tell me what you learned by googling.