The title basically explains it, I’ve been working as a crime scene cleaner for a few months now and I’ve seen a wide verity of cases, from having to clean up someone’s boiled remains from a hot tub, to having to completely rip up peoples houses due to how long the body was left to rot in the place. I’m here to answer any of your questions about what it’s like having this job alongside my other volunteer work at a coroners office helping with autopsies.
Are there cases where the smell and nasty has just permiated everything so much that it would be best to either demo/gut the house and just start over? How does one get that smell out?
I work in healthcare, and there are some smells that even SEVERAL SHOWERS and change of clothes don't get out. Burning flesh just to name one IMO. I'm curious what works to get these "marinades" out.
YES, ALL THE TIME!! Human bodies and especially after they’ve decomposed and their remains smells AWFUL, honestly though you got it in the nose with the smell of burnt bodies smelling the worse, imagine that smell but also add the smell of decomposition. I have to take really long and harsh showers and sometimes even then the smell won’t leave, I think I’ve started excepting I kinda just smell like death.
I’ve heard this is why a lot of crime scene investigators smoke. Smoking help gets rid of the smell
Yes and no, it’s more of a stress thing plus law enforcement in general smoke a lot because of stress. What I personally do to try and mask the smell is take my first mask and add hand sanitizer to it since it dries down and doesn’t leave a stain, I personally like to use Bath and Body Works Lavender since it smells the strongest. Then I’ll place my second mask over it. Downside of this is I now weirdly associate lavender with death.
Very ignorant question here, but wouldn't breathing through the mouth instead of the nose help avoid the smell? That's how I prevent myself from vomiting as soon as someone else vomited near me.
As a former paramedic I can confidently say there are some smells that you can definitely taste. And it’s awful. We used to put vicks under our nose if we knew it was going to be a bad one.
And THAT is why I NEVERRRE breathe through my mouth in a bad smell situation. Like, particles of whatever are literally in your mouth and resp system too then. NOPE!
😂 you are right. I never thought of that
I’ve tried that before and I find it only makes me throw up quicker, I have to train myself to take small breaths into my nose while in the grosser area and take long slow breaths as a palate cleanser in areas that aren’t as bad
On the note of stink in the mask, I suggest trying the Essence nose clips. You can reuse them and make them smell however you want. Can also search Vapor Soothers nasal dialators on Amazon. I feel like the nose clips are game changers.
if you apply vaseline under your nose and then a perfume or something it should help as well!
Try VICKS instead of hand sanitizer..just try it!
vicks chest rub for the smell!!
How were you trained? And do you feel that this job is affecting your mental health?
I was volunteering with the coroners office I live close to in regards to their crime scene investigations classes and ended up finding this job through them, you get multiple courses on biohazards and how to clean up these things, for me it was 3 months long. As for mental health, everyone and I mean everyone in this job develops PTSD. I already have been diagnosed with PTSD due to separate life events and this has added layers, sometimes I have dreams about my own graphic deaths in relation to work. I have to seek a therapist because of this
Given that it's pretty hard on mental health, do you plan on staying in the job for the foreseeable future?
What other jobs have you had in the past?
Before working at my current job I worked at a restaurant as a cook. A majority of my family is police or military so the topic and sight of death was always something ai thought about, from hearing my dads stories of war and watching his friends get blown in half to my uncle crying over the children cases he gets, death has always been a thing in my life. I plan on working towards being an investigator myself for the police once I’m done with my Criminal Justice degree
Wow this seems to be really hard, thank you for the answer
I gotta ask it:
What was the biggest mess you have ever had to clean up?
I know this is way later but I thought back on this comment and here’s a better list of things:
I mentioned in the description about how I had to clean the boiled remains of a person from a hot top, older person who had a stroke in the tub and was left to boil and become a human soup in that tub several days before anyone noticed. We had to grab nets to try and fish out the cooked flesh and hair.
I’ve had a case with a toddler whose older sibling threw them on the ground and stomped on them after throwing a tantrum about something. I learned this because I begged the investigators to tell me what the hell happened since I broke down crying my eyes out while cleaning up the room seeing the kids toys, the older sibling was severely autistic.
Lastly, and the biggest mess in terms of cleaning that took almost 3 weeks was an apartment where the blood had soaked through the floors into the neighbors floor below them causing us to have to completely rip up the floors of that apartment and go below and offer to help clean up the blood on their floors. The owners of that apartment where deeply annoying and since the resident of that place was a hoarder and (respectfully) extremely obese they expected up to completely clean up and replace the floors for them like a maid service and contractors.
Oh hon… I have a 13yo Autistic son and a 3.5 year old son. This one guts me and I cannot stop ruminating on the visual and pain :( I do want to ask though, cleaning, did the baby like, open up? Is that why? 😭
He had lifted the child up and threw it full force onto the hard wood floors, then proceeded to stomp on the kids head and body multiple times until the parents ran to see the horrific scene. I feel even worse for the parents, they lost both children that day in the worse way possible.
Wow. I hope you're in therapy because I can't imagine the horrors you face in this line of work. I have a lot of respect for you but I also hope you're doing okay.
I know a guy with this job and he had a similar clean up. Old guy died in a bathtub and had been in it a week before they showed up. My friend and his partner decide to lift the guy out and set him into the body bag on the floor next to the tub. So my buddy grabs the top part of the guy and his partner lifts the legs….well apparently as they lifted the man, his entire back and ass fell off and back into the water. They had to scoop it out.
What a terrible day to be literate
Jesus H Christ. I hope you have a good support system to decompress! And that you make bank. I could never.
A man left in his car during the summer for months, he had shot his head off with a shotgun and the inside of the car was completely painted. The flesh had melted into the seat and there were still bits of his skull to be found. The car had to be scraped and we weren’t able to clean up all of it, it was my second case on the job.
At this point just set the whole car on fire and call it a day.
This is really the only answer.
I say we dust off and nuke the entire site from orbit.
It's the only way to be sure.
I’m in insurance. The claim will be paid out as a total loss.
I can’t imagine what the Carfax would say…low mileage but interior needs some work.
Have you found anything in a scene that helped solve the case?
Yes, the investigators didn’t catch some drugs on their cabinet that can result in a seizure. I ended up taking a look at the cup they were drinking from before they had the seizure and it had a residue that seemed odd. Ended up reporting as such and I was proven correct when after toxicology reports came back found they had overdosed
Well done you! Thanks for replying. Such an interesting job you have. Merry Christmas and happy birthday!
I find this incredibly interesting! Are you paid for this job, and if so, who pays for it? Also, do you have any specific training for this? And lastly, what’s the hardest part of the job?
Yes I’m paid by an agency that is in collaboration with my local police. You get paid per clean up, I’d say the average pay per clean up is $500, going up or down depending on how much cleaning up I have to do. You go through a training program that lasts a few months of which you learn about biohazards and how to clean up the mess. Lastly, literally anything kid related
Thank you! Do you help removing victims or do you arrive after that has been done?
Do you have a certain kind of joke(s) that you or your team will crack to lighten the nature of the job? I'd imagine there's a guy out there now showing up to a horrible scene, knock on the door and go, "housekeeping"
Yup! A lot of housekeeping jokes, alongside “my work will want my dead or alive” and “don’t wash your hands, I like having a job”
You ever see a scene that you just can’t deal with and couldn’t clean up or had a hard time cleaning up? If so, what was it?
Yes, it was a toddler. Don’t wanna go to deep into detail about that one since it still chokes me up, anything to do with children still get me and I struggle to do it
I hear you there. I work in healthcare and peds cases scar the soul.
You are still allowed to be human. I’m hugging you every case you do. I’ll think of you for a long time now, I’m certain.
Are there any tools or cleaning products that you use that differ from a usual cleaning job (think housekeeper)? Idk if I'm wording my question right, sorry.
No I get it and to answer it is like we get the normal clean up stuff alongside the medical clean up stuff. We also have a vacuum designed particularly to suck up human guts!
Thank you for answering. Where does all the biohazard material go afterwards?
It gets properly disposed and treated like a biohazard
Do you know how things are “properly disposed of”? I ask because I have no idea what they do with biohazard trash.
It’s burned into ash and then thrown away
Was you the guy earlier who’s GF was embarrassed by your job? If so kick her to the curb!
No, I’m a woman and my boyfriend finds my job to be gross but interesting lol! This is what he gets for dating a goth woman
What smell can you compare decomposing flesh to that a layman would know?
I want you to imagine rotten pork, sulfur, metal, and the bottom of a garbage can that hasn’t been cleaned since the dawn of time, that’s the closest I can describe it.
Thank you, this is what I was wondering as well. Great AMA btw.
Oh.wow,ok. I asked…. And you delivered
How long did it take you to develop a cast-iron stomach, in terms of not having an immediate or knee-jerk reaction to that kind of sensitive cleaning situation? Or is it something that still kicks in sometimes?
Everyone depends, for me it was quicker but the smell would bother me, I’d say a good maybe 3 months before I started to get used to it. Anything with kids still gets a reaction out of me.
Of course. Kids would always be super tough.
Thanks for the reply, very interesting!
I saw in a few other comments that you make about $500/job and each job is about 5 hours. Do you ever run into a job that takes way longer? Say like 2 days? And if you do do you get paid more for that? I'm kind of shocked that it only takes 5 hours to clean up a crime scene!
Yes and for those we’d get paid more, as for the time it’s mostly because we work in a crew, making it much faster!
How many in a crew? Does the number in the crew affect how much each person makes?
About 3-5 people and yes the amount of people affect pay unfortunately. Normally though it’s only 3
Have you ever gotten physically ill due to the grotesque nature of a scene?
Yes, several scenes. Some scenes are truly sickening but it’s my job to clean it up
Do you enjoy it? Is it fulfilling? I feel like i can see someone finding joy in it even if its gruesome work.
It’s honestly a fun challenge!
What’s the pay?
Roughly $500 per clean up going up or down depending on how much they need me to clean
😳😳 that is criminally low pay, good god!
Each clean up is about 5 hours so that’s about $100 an hour lol
How many hours a week do you work?
Right now I’m getting 2 clean ups a day, winter is a busy month for crime
Holy crap !
Do you feel like that you are well compensated for your work? Is it worth it for you?
Sometimes no, sometimes it’s ok
What is the most mysterious crime scene that you had to clean up? Like, was there ever a scene where detectives simply shrugged their shoulders and admitted that they have no freaking idea what happened?
Way too often, a lot of the time they won’t fully know until they send the body to get autopsied.
Yeah, that makes sense. Any good stories about a mystery death?
A woman who was shot, except the way her gun was positioned and the way she was shot made it hard to tell if it was a suicide or murder. Still nobody really knows as far as I’m aware
Are you desensitized to it, or do you still have visceral reactions?
For the most part desensitized though anything in regards to children still make me violently sick
Do you believe in ghost? Have you encountered one?
I don’t know, I’m pretty sure I’ve maybe seen one but that could also be stress. I did once have a door slam behind me and neither of my other coworkers saying that they closed it yet alone slam it
Are you an independent contractor or do you work for an agency?
I work in collaboration with the police with an agency
How does one go about getting a job like this?
You mentioned previously volunteering with the coroners office. Any recommendations/suggestions for others interested in entering this field of work?
Coroners offices normally have their open volunteering opportunities posted on their websites, if not then feel free to call and ask about possible volunteer opportunities!
If you’re interested in investigations like I am, a Criminal Justice degree or a Forensics degree will greatly help you stand out regardless of its required, these will open you up to the crime scenes sides and legal sides
If you’re interested in the autopsies and physical work, a Biology, Chemistry, or Forensics degree will help you stand out, though some places will also take Criminal Justice!
Lastly, expect to volunteer for long hours and for a long while until you get a job, I volunteered at the coroners office for about a year until I fully got a job, while volunteering I went to the scenes to help take photos and go into the back to prepare the bodies for autopsies.
Are you okay? Edit to add: Merry Christmas!
Are any of us? If I was ok I wouldn’t be a Reddit user lol
What are you doing for Christmas?
Eating food, spending time with my bf, and celebrating my birthday the next day!
Awesome, happy early bday!
Happy early birthday 🎂
Have you ever had any illness because of your job? I mean things like skin infections, respiratory problems, or something similar. You deal with tons of bacteria, fluids, and so on.
None so far thank god, but I didn’t have to get rated for HIV after ripping my gloves and getting some remains blood near a wound I already had on my hand from a kitchen accident
Have you seen the show The Cleaner?
Nope, might need to check it out lol
Describe the worst smell from this job
Burnt bodies and their remains
Which smells like...
Burned rotten pork, STRONG smell of hot metal, burned hair, sulfur, garbage fire, and often times followed also with smells of burned plastic
Thanks for the answer. I hope you are at least compensated well due to sacrificing some of your mental health
They said above it's about $100 an hour. I feel like it's not enough.
Did you study something specific? Require any certifications?
I have an associates in Criminal Justice, currently working towards a bachelor’s alongside certifications in death investigations and biohazard handling. You don’t really need a degree for this job, just the certificates and those can vary in standards per state.
What keeps you working with this job? Also how are you able to sleep after some heavy cases? Does it effect your mind or thoughts?
Yes, everyone in this job develops PTSD at some point. It’s an unfortunate part of the job and something I seek therapy for.
Do you struggle to eat when you come home? I would keep getting flashbacks
Yes, that’s why I’m pescatarian
Do you ever take pictures of the crime scene on your phone? Don’t lie.
Interesting and all too common a question, people assume people are ok breaking rules like this. I actually get pissed at cameras/phones used inappropriately and the thought of diverting drugs fills me with rage, but hey and we get suspected a lot. Not all of us have a broken moral compass.
For me it’s a respect thing, when I die I’d be pissed if I somehow knew that people where taking photos of my body or remains, I’d be pissed if people took photos of my loved ones remains like that, so of course I wouldn’t do that to another person and their families. Let’s not have tragedy define the persons final moments, let the victim’s family remember them in all their good and mourn in peace. This is also exactly why I find gore videos to be disgusting, it’s highly disrespectful to the victims and their deaths
No, as I’d get instantly fired and charged, plus I don’t want people to go through my phone thinking I’m a serial killer
Just wanted to say, thank you for what you do!
Thank you! Means a lot kind stranger!
how do you keep yourself check? i saw a dead fox few years ago and i still get nightmares about it
You zone out and desensitize yourself
Is suicide considered a “crime scene?” I had a friend that was an Army medic and he ate a .45 on the toilet of all places. But all sorts of cops and people showed up. Coroner said “Get all the kids in the house, we’re bringing out a body.” But there must have been 5 cop cars and some unmarked. I also saw some guys in plain clothes with cameras. So, I guess someone has to clean that up and that’s what you do?
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My friends dad shot himself. He had to clean it up because he couldn't afford to pay a biohazard crew.
Where was this? Since where I live there’s several crews that’ll clean the place for free
Upstate NY
Yes it is and the people you’re describing were probably us.
Wow that’s gnarly. I cleaned out vehicles in a war zone that had armor piercing bullets or RPG-7’s go through them. At the time I convinced myself it’s just ground beef as I pressure washed the truck. I know the awful burnt smell you wrote about in other posts. I carried guys to blackhawks that were all burned up and that smell is something I will never forget. I had a doctor use an electric cauterizing gun on my abdomen after a mole removal, the smoke went straight up into my nose. I told him I needed a minute to get my bearing back. The he said, “Oh, my mistake. I should have had you lean back” as he remembered my career. Brought me right back.
Do you think about death differently than your friends and loved ones?
Yes, absolutely. I know death will come for everyone, that’s a part of life as is. As for my loved ones, particularly my boyfriend, I tend to be very careful and watchful since I don’t think I’d be able to clean up a loved one without losing my mind and completely breaking down. While I can see strangers speeding in their cars and know it can land to their early graves and think, “what an idiot, people like you keep me employed”, if I saw my boyfriend do the same I start to mildly panic imagining all the worst possibilities.
Why do you think Charlie Kirk’s crime scene was cleaned so quickly?
It isn’t a hard clean up, gunshots are quick and it was over wood/cement so you wouldn’t need to rip up carpet.
Why would you choose this for yourself?
I have an associates in Criminal Justice, currently getting a Bachelor’s. I needed a job that aligns with my degree and here it is
How much do you make? Is it salary? By the body?
Per clean up based off of how much I need to clean, a clean up takes about 5 hours on average and pays about $500
Have you ever seen the British tv show “The Cleaner” very funny take on your very serious job.
Nope, might need to check it out!
You mentioned having a bf. Does the job zap any romantic mood when you get home?
Yes… Especially when the case had to deal with children, SA, or was extremely gorey. It’s hard to get in the mod sometimes after having to clean up brain matter and guts being splattered in a toddlers room.
What type of schedule is this? For example do you know that on Tuesday you have 2 cases to clean? Or is it an on call type of schedule?
On call for the most part, most of the time we know a few hours in advance that we need to clean something up while the cops are there and then come over after
Not to sound insensitive, but who pays for this cleanup? Does every crime scene get a cleaning crew to come in and clean it up? Is this after forensics do their thing, or are you part of that too. My morbid understanding was that it was the people who own the property/who are affected that need to take care of the mess.
Yes, everyone gets paid but every company is different. We come after the scene has been cleaned up or when the body is being taken out.
When I was a jackeroo I saw and smelt many dead and decaying sheep, cattle, horses, roos, etc. They stunk but you kind've got used to it.
Do humans smell the same?
And. Maggots. Tell us about the maggots.
Ugh, don’t even get me started on maggots… Also human smells unique, it’s a different smell compared to dead animals, it’s a smell that’s odd to describe. Us as humans release hormones once we die to keep other people away from it, to describe the smell it’s strongly metallic with rotten pork, sulfur, and the bottom of a garbage can that hasn’t been cleaned in years. But even that doesn’t even do the smell justice
Is there much competition in this field?
Surprisingly no, the turnover rate is extremely high since so many people get into this job thinking they can handle it and then leave after the first job after seeing how awful it is and more people are focused on the glorified parts of the job like investigations that people don’t bother with clean up. What my agency does is particularly brutal and makes it a point to try and give a more brutal case right off the bat to show you very quickly that it isn’t all sunshine and rainbows, my first clean up when I was 19 was a suicide where the woman stabbed herself multiple times in the chest and left a horrific hand and feet trail throughout the place. The second one was another suicide with a shotgun that completely painted his car and was left there to rot for months in the summer
I saw earlier up you said you're pescatarian. Did you make that choice before or after you started the job? What's your favorite meal?
After since beef and pork started grossing me out so badly, my favorite food is sushi
Sushi is top tier. I'm basic so I like rainbow rolls and yellowtail and scallion rolls
If there is blood and remains on carpet do you have to rip out the subfloor and all that? Wha do you do with all the garbage? Like is there a specific place to get rid of all of it
Yes and they get burned since they’re biohazards
Is it true that property owners are responsible for the cost of clean up?
Depends, there are a few crews that do it for free that’s paid by the police while others are private and charge to property owners for the damages
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Have you tried talking to a mental health professional? A therapist could really help you work through this trauma and come up with a plan of action for addressing these issues. Having a therapist to guide you can help document what it is happening and also be an advocate for you for any future action you may want to take to combat this. Having a guide and an advocate can be so helpful. Take care and I hope things get better for you!
What the actual fick did I just read?!
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Uh, hey bud you doing ok..?
What happens if you accidentally get some of that in your mouth (?)
We wear 2 masks while cleaning but in theory let’s say I took off my masks for whatever reason and something that shouldn’t be getting into my mouth got into my mouth. In that case, I have to drop everything and go to the nearest hospital to get tested for HIV or other gross things because of the biomedical risk. I’ll need to provide my work with such information and take off of work for several days to make sure no symptoms pop up alongside getting tested again 4-7 days after the original test just to be extra sure.
Do you like your job? Do you feel gross sometimes? Have you ever puked because of what you had seen?
I think of my job as a fun challenge and yes, I almost always feel mildly gross tbh but that’s because I’m a person who cares deeply about my hygiene so I never feel clean enough and yes I’ve puked several times
How did people find these jobs? You mentioned that you got into it via a volunteer position, but it that the typical recruitment path? Does the application process include a psychological assessment of some kind to make sure people can deal with the things they will see?
There’s multiple ways to get this job, I know one of my coworkers got it through job recruiters. As for the qualifications needed for this job, you need certifications certifications and it doesn’t require a psych evaluation, though before you start working fully you’re made to sign waivers saying you can’t sue if you get traumatized from the work.
Do you work as part of a team or are there occasions when you clean independently? Are the bodies still present when you have to clean?
What’s some of the more civil/basic jobs you get asked to do? Stuff that isn’t necessarily gory but still your task to clean?
Once the official clean up of the really gross stuff is done do a clean up after that to make sure things look a bit better. Alongside, asking and reporting damages to the property owner to provide them with contractors and other people to go to to repair and even further clean beyond what we simply do.
Someone said a thin layer of Vicks under ur nose helps with the smell
So i follow this manga artists who has the same job as you, except that he owns his cleaning business, and he draws various jobs that he has had in Japan. He often has ghost encounters to the point they leech onto him and he has to go to a professional to ward them off cuz they're physically affecting him.
I've read that you are a goth girl and haven't had a definitive ghost encounter (yet). I am stereotypically assuming that goths have a natural wonder for the supernatural things. It seems that ghosts and such are not as prevalent in the western countries as they are in eastern countries. Do you think these beliefs are shaped more by cultural upbringing than by the idea that such phenomena objectively exist but are only perceptible to certain people?
Sorry my question doesn't exactly pertain to your job, but thank you if you answer my question anyway. Hope you get to have a restful and loving holiday!!
Do you remove blood from sub floors on wooden or tile floors, and how do you do that?
Depends on how bad the blood is. If it’s already completely soaked into the floor then we rip it up all together since there’s no point in saving it, if it’s fresher than we can deeply mop it and satanize it
The owner of the home allows the cleaner to pull up the flooring. There's a lot more to your job than I ever considered.
Yup, we can entirely rip up floors, break down walls if necessary, looking into their pipes to fish parts out, or just tell them all together that they should just cut their loses and destroy the whole thing (that’s only ever happened with cars to me so far)
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Why would you work this kind of job? Does it pay exceptionally well with little experience? Do you not feel overwhelmed with gore ?
I have a Criminal Justice degree and needed something to do with it and since I already wanted to do crime scene investigations, this was fairly close. The pay is good generally but veries with how many cases and yes therefore does sometimes get overwhelming
How much do they pay?
It’s based off of how much cleaning I need to do for the scene
What’s the most you gotten and the least
Least I got was $150 and it because it was such a short clean up and we had a larger crew that day. Most I’ve gotten paid was $2000 and this was a clean up that lasted almost 3 weeks long because we almost had to entirely rip the whole apartment apart and we where understaffed for the degree of cleaning
What’s the pay range? Also, do have to get certified after the initial certification or does it not expire?
For my case I do have to get recertification but that’s every 5 years(?) and it’s mostly a short test I can take online. The pay is per scene
How did you get your job? It doesn't seem like the type of thing they'd just post on indeed lol
I volunteered with a coroners office taking photos of crime scenes and helping with autopsies before I got the opportunity to work as a crime scene cleaner
Do you ever have to deal with animals?
Sometimes but not really, I’ve had more than once where their pets have at their owners I’ve they’ve died but I didn’t get to see them.
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Hey bud have you considered a mental health professional?
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Dude first off don’t send me any DM’s, you’re fucking weird for that. Second off, please seek medical help of some sort, seriously stop spamming my post and other subreddits talking about your delusions and seek help, I’ve reported you already and that’s why your first comment got taken down. Lastly, dude what? This is my job, of course I can handle talking about the things I see at work.
Stop messaging me and seek professional help, you’re genuinely freaking me out
I've always been interested in doing crime scene clean up. Any advice on how I can get started?
Even seen sunshine cleaning?
Have you cleaned up after any house or car fires?
Would you consider starting your own business now that you know the inner workings?
How did you get into the job of crime scene cleaner?
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Where do you dispose of the remains?
How many jobs per week do you get assigned to?
This you?
How’s the pay?
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