When women are like, "ugh, raising a son is SUCH hard work, but I STILL love him despite him primarily seeing me as an overbearing nag and a maid/piggy bank," it's like.......damn, cool story. Can't relate and won't.
I still see some women in feminist circles lecturing other women about how women should only abort for the "correct" and 100% morally pure unproblematic reasons, which still places the lives of hypothetical unborn offspring over the actual live experience of the mother. It's demonic.
I'm always reminded that countries where women do the most work in terms of childcare often end up with the most misogynist men.
Women have literally been raising kids for hundreds of thousands of years (I'm going by caveman standards) and . . . yet we're here in a world where the designated gods are pretty much male, the heads of state and industry are male-dominated and femicide/DV/SA runs rampant.
I guess I just don't see the point of child rearing, especially in hopes that the male kid will turn out not to suck when it just seems all it takes for the male kid to hate you and other women is some idiot podcaster encouraging them to blame everything on women. It just shows you how utterly devalued women's love & care are until we get smart enough to withhold it then they crash the hell out.
Exactly! The fact that you can give birth to a man and do everything to raise him right only for him to forget all about his upbringing because of misogynistic men around him and incels on the Internet. I would die an emotional death as a mother that day.
Or the fact that you can give birth to a woman and worry every single day that she doesn’t become victim to abuse at the hands of men (especially in their family as the most common murderers and sexual abusers of women tend to be men they are familiar with). To give birth to a child only for them to fight to survive in a terrifying world like this. Yeah, no thanks. I’ll pass.
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My mom tried to have a feminist son. So did all my older feminist friends. I've never seen it work. These women tried so hard, and their sons are exactly the same as the men raised by women with a bunch of internalized misogyny. And they added on to the amount of men in the world who will continue to hold women back as a collective, and may even hurt women.
When women are like, "ugh, raising a son is SUCH hard work, but I STILL love him despite him primarily seeing me as an overbearing nag and a maid/piggy bank," it's like.......damn, cool story. Can't relate and won't.
Suddenly, it's "eugenics" when women make this choice, even though it's practically self-defense at this point. 4B.
I still see some women in feminist circles lecturing other women about how women should only abort for the "correct" and 100% morally pure unproblematic reasons, which still places the lives of hypothetical unborn offspring over the actual live experience of the mother. It's demonic.
I'm always reminded that countries where women do the most work in terms of childcare often end up with the most misogynist men.
Women have literally been raising kids for hundreds of thousands of years (I'm going by caveman standards) and . . . yet we're here in a world where the designated gods are pretty much male, the heads of state and industry are male-dominated and femicide/DV/SA runs rampant.
I guess I just don't see the point of child rearing, especially in hopes that the male kid will turn out not to suck when it just seems all it takes for the male kid to hate you and other women is some idiot podcaster encouraging them to blame everything on women. It just shows you how utterly devalued women's love & care are until we get smart enough to withhold it then they crash the hell out.
And that's not even getting in the men who are still raging misogynists even when they were raised by supportive and loving single mothers.
It's a thankless task and your reward is the son you raised spitting in your face and possibly going on to be another woman's abuser or assaulter.
Couldn’t have put it better myself
Preach it!
Exactly! The fact that you can give birth to a man and do everything to raise him right only for him to forget all about his upbringing because of misogynistic men around him and incels on the Internet. I would die an emotional death as a mother that day.
Or the fact that you can give birth to a woman and worry every single day that she doesn’t become victim to abuse at the hands of men (especially in their family as the most common murderers and sexual abusers of women tend to be men they are familiar with). To give birth to a child only for them to fight to survive in a terrifying world like this. Yeah, no thanks. I’ll pass.
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This is your warning.
Don't birth oppressors
Don't birth period. Even a daughter could potentially become a pick-me
preach
My mom tried to have a feminist son. So did all my older feminist friends. I've never seen it work. These women tried so hard, and their sons are exactly the same as the men raised by women with a bunch of internalized misogyny. And they added on to the amount of men in the world who will continue to hold women back as a collective, and may even hurt women.