Ok if you want us to be at full capacity within 2 weeks.
That is very simple to accomplish.
Tell us every system you use within your organisation and we will prep by self study about the systems you use that way you will have full delivery capacity within a week.
Or, find a former disgruntled employee (prob not hard to do) and have them tell all....create a new profile...and keep applying and interviewing again (and again)...until all their trade secrets and secret sauce are public. That company's hiring team will love you so much, you MAY, then, get the job. Lol.
Someone who already worked there, left, and came back, either because a. The grass wasn't greener or b. As a strategy to get "new hire" money from the same company twice.
Correct. They more or less had to stay compliant and check "A" box by posting the job recq and interviewing externally. Corp America is SOOO amazing! Lol.
That’s definitely what my last boss wanted. I got out before that job could crush what remains of my sanity, though I wasn’t able to line anything up beforehand.
I’ve got about 50k in savings, so if I’m extremely frugal that should give me at least a year, maybe two. Not that I want it to go so long, but. Gotta be prepared for anything.
This is why most candidates get rejected, for lack of alignment with more specific requirements. So, this is a good feedback actually. Whenever someone asks for detailed feedback to better understand where they fall short, this is it. Too bad you didn't get but you know exactly why. Additionally, if they are dynamic environment, they are looking for candidates that will show proactiveness, energy, and enthusiasm throughout the process. They won't risk if you appear to be someone who needs to be told what to do - good to know this I guess.
These requirements are nearly impossible for an external candidate to meet.
And they're not very actionable.
How would the candidate use this "feedback" to learn the next company's internal tools before he even gets there and knows what they are, for example? And how can he prep at home in advance of getting the job to the extent that once he gets the offer, he will ramp up to full capacity within two weeks?
The company is honest for stating what they actually want, but what they want is not actionable for most external candidates who lack insider information.
But I'm glad they showed their hand and confirmed that their desires are as unrealistic as I suspected.
Yeah many companies have super high requirements and mostly because they don't have internal resources to train ppl up to speed. Therefore they look for plug and play and someone who meets their expectations. I haven't checked if requirements are realistic or not to be honest, and maybe they don't expect them all combined but to an extent.
Outside of the toolset, it may just be an interviewing issue. While he may have the ability to hit the ground running and has succeeded in similar positions before, he possibly didn't convey that point effectively in the interview. You need to sound eager without coming across as desperate. You need to sound confident without coming across as overly confident or arrogant. It's a balance.
Because HR have gotten to a point when no one takes their spin seriously because they don't even read really applications properly and give generic feedback that isn't generic bullshit.
Being honest about the company culture and agenda is refreshing.
This is completely useless and ridiculous feedback, they shouldn't be wasting any external candidates' time altogether.
Frankly it also sounds like a toxic company to work for.
Don't you get it? You wouldn't be able to address the issue in this case either, or tweak or upskill anything. They would ONLY accept an internal candidate who's already done this exact job before.
But that's the point. It's not you. That's concrete. The typical "...we are moving ahead with canidates who better align" language tells you nothing. Maybe if you put something on your resume. Maybe if you took a quick class in something. You are left wondering that. The above rejection lets you know. That's solid, not "what if..?"
While maybe honest, this feedback is completely useless, because the job can only be done by someone who's already done it, and at that same company.
They need to do everything in their power to hold onto their existing employees then, if that's how they operate.
Why don’t they just go with someone already employed at the company?! These requirements can only be met my an internal candidate. 🙄 Why are they wasting peoples time?!
deliver to full capacity during the first two weeks.
They are delusional, that's impossible, it take at least 6 months to learn how the new business work to work at the same level as an existing employee.
I don't think you understand what's involved. Internal software can be priopriatory, that isn't used anywhere else. It isn't something you can learn on your own.
This is actually some of the most useless and ridiculous feedback I've ever seen.
Another fake story. Don’t people get tired of making up rage bait shit? 🤣 I’m not going to mention what gave it away because then ai will just use it to improve.
Sounds a bit toxic: no learning support, hours beyond contracted from day one, full capacity after 2 weeks. What professional org does that? “We encourage you to keep applying elsewhere” great advice though
If this is a software job, the demand to "deliver at full capacity within the first two weeks" without onboarding is just ludicrous, even though it is a common delusion of management that an experienced developer can just plug right in. In my experience, the places where managers have this delusion are also places where they have no documentation and a shit-ton of technical debt. In a place like this a new hire may never be as productive as the original developers who made the mess and know where all the bodies are buried. It may take two weeks for them to get your computer, desk, and chair delivered. If your just signed on and your manager says this, you need to have a talk with them about technical debt and impossible expectations.
I have a hard time not dating women who immediately declare all of their bad flags as well. Sounds like this would have been a healthy career you missed out on, lol
Another company looking for something that doesn't exist? What's new? They'll cry about not being able to find talent when all they need to do is train hires for a bit and get the talent they want in a week or two,
First of all, what a brutal read this was, and at the same time, I’m happy for OP, at least this was actionable and actually gave closure. Most people just get silence or a generic template, which is honestly nerve wracking when you’re already doing 100+ applications.
Getting closure should be the norm, and I don’t want to offend any TA folks here, but I get it. It’s not humanly practical to send 200 personalized rejection notes every day, especially when priorities keep shifting.
And yeah, expectations are high, but that’s the world we live in right now, adaptability and being comfortable with ambiguity is becoming a baseline requirement for a lot of evolving roles.
That said, the expectations listed in mail are basically them admitting they don’t have bandwidth for onboarding/learning curve at this moment, and candidates should treat that as a signal too (great opportunity to grow). If that wasn’t communicated upfront, the lack of honesty should be a red flag on both sides, in any case.
I got a very similar response once after a third round interview for a job I got referred to, even with a confirmation they decided to move in with another candidate that suited their needs in the ways they explained. My friend working in the company told me they spent a year without actually filling the position, so yeah.
Full capacity within the first two weeks?
It sounds like they want a boomerang employee.
And you wouldn't be wrong, I read boomerang hires are on the radar for 2026 so companies can avoid the cost of ramping a fresh employee.
The majority of the marketplace has been that way for two decades at least!..
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This is what I’m thinking as well. Many companies have rules that they have to post positions even when they already have someone internal in mind.
Ok if you want us to be at full capacity within 2 weeks.
That is very simple to accomplish.
Tell us every system you use within your organisation and we will prep by self study about the systems you use that way you will have full delivery capacity within a week.
Or, find a former disgruntled employee (prob not hard to do) and have them tell all....create a new profile...and keep applying and interviewing again (and again)...until all their trade secrets and secret sauce are public. That company's hiring team will love you so much, you MAY, then, get the job. Lol.
Didn't think about that option, might be better cuz they will tell me what's wrong with their systems and I will come across as very knowledgeable.
Hey this guy can improve our systems let's hire him.🤣😂
Very much reads that way.
The only people that would know their internal tools would be someone who had worked there in the past.
What’s a boomerang employee?
Someone who already worked there, left, and came back, either because a. The grass wasn't greener or b. As a strategy to get "new hire" money from the same company twice.
Or it's a posting they plan to fill with an internal candidate.
That was my thought as well
Or an internal transfer. “Already knows our internal tools”
And I bet they did not mention this in the job ad.
So it was not honest.
Basically. They had an internal employee that they wanted to hire, and wasted everyone's time.
Got it.
Correct. They more or less had to stay compliant and check "A" box by posting the job recq and interviewing externally. Corp America is SOOO amazing! Lol.
So everyone’s looking for a unicorn? God help us all…
That’s definitely what my last boss wanted. I got out before that job could crush what remains of my sanity, though I wasn’t able to line anything up beforehand.
I’ve got about 50k in savings, so if I’m extremely frugal that should give me at least a year, maybe two. Not that I want it to go so long, but. Gotta be prepared for anything.
Or a rock star.
Yes and at a discount
I'd honestly prefer that
This is why most candidates get rejected, for lack of alignment with more specific requirements. So, this is a good feedback actually. Whenever someone asks for detailed feedback to better understand where they fall short, this is it. Too bad you didn't get but you know exactly why. Additionally, if they are dynamic environment, they are looking for candidates that will show proactiveness, energy, and enthusiasm throughout the process. They won't risk if you appear to be someone who needs to be told what to do - good to know this I guess.
These requirements are nearly impossible for an external candidate to meet.
And they're not very actionable.
How would the candidate use this "feedback" to learn the next company's internal tools before he even gets there and knows what they are, for example? And how can he prep at home in advance of getting the job to the extent that once he gets the offer, he will ramp up to full capacity within two weeks?
The company is honest for stating what they actually want, but what they want is not actionable for most external candidates who lack insider information.
But I'm glad they showed their hand and confirmed that their desires are as unrealistic as I suspected.
Yeah many companies have super high requirements and mostly because they don't have internal resources to train ppl up to speed. Therefore they look for plug and play and someone who meets their expectations. I haven't checked if requirements are realistic or not to be honest, and maybe they don't expect them all combined but to an extent.
Outside of the toolset, it may just be an interviewing issue. While he may have the ability to hit the ground running and has succeeded in similar positions before, he possibly didn't convey that point effectively in the interview. You need to sound eager without coming across as desperate. You need to sound confident without coming across as overly confident or arrogant. It's a balance.
How would an outside applicant already be familiar with internal tools? Unless they meant like industry standard tools? The wording there is strange.
They don't; they had an internal candidate they wanted to hire, but corporate guidelines required them to make an external job posting.
You are wise in the ways of how things really work. I am also jedi level HRM. Haha. Hope you giggled as much as I did at it.
To bad for you, but this is a great response from the recruiter.
How exactly is it great?
Because HR have gotten to a point when no one takes their spin seriously because they don't even read really applications properly and give generic feedback that isn't generic bullshit.
Being honest about the company culture and agenda is refreshing.
Correct. Honest feedback is great!
This is completely useless and ridiculous feedback, they shouldn't be wasting any external candidates' time altogether. Frankly it also sounds like a toxic company to work for.
Because 99.999999999999999999% of rejections tell you nothing. No way to address the issue, no way to tweak your resume or upskill.
Don't you get it? You wouldn't be able to address the issue in this case either, or tweak or upskill anything. They would ONLY accept an internal candidate who's already done this exact job before.
Wow. Defensive.
But that's the point. It's not you. That's concrete. The typical "...we are moving ahead with canidates who better align" language tells you nothing. Maybe if you put something on your resume. Maybe if you took a quick class in something. You are left wondering that. The above rejection lets you know. That's solid, not "what if..?"
I feel like you are being deliberately obtuse. Read the other comments in this thread, maybe you'll finally understand what we are all saying.
...the ones who think it was a great rejection as well?
Okay. I'll get right on that.
Well, thankfully the slow ones are a small minority
Sound like a buncha wankers
While maybe honest, this feedback is completely useless, because the job can only be done by someone who's already done it, and at that same company. They need to do everything in their power to hold onto their existing employees then, if that's how they operate.
Hah. Good luck to them, they sound like a nightmare.
Why don’t they just go with someone already employed at the company?! These requirements can only be met my an internal candidate. 🙄 Why are they wasting peoples time?!
Precisely
Likely because they are required to post an open position publicly. Hiring internally without it would be deemed "unfair or biased"
I agree that makes sense! So crappy for the people they are using for interviews knowing that they are going to hire the internal candidate.
God they don’t want to train anyone anymore
They are delusional, that's impossible, it take at least 6 months to learn how the new business work to work at the same level as an existing employee.
At least they were honest and the feedback can be used to develop yourself further if you have the time, energy and interest to do so.
I don't think you understand what's involved. Internal software can be priopriatory, that isn't used anywhere else. It isn't something you can learn on your own. This is actually some of the most useless and ridiculous feedback I've ever seen.
Its great but the company might just want to reach out to previous employees.
Confirm can pick up 🤣
Some of the default responses should be “This is bullcrap…”
Sorry to tell you, this is another form email. They just added a few bullet points that may or may not apply to you.
What’s the opposite of name and shame?
'we don't want to waste valuable time onboarding so we will waste even more time searching for someone'
If they're looking for that why do they bother with external hiring though lol
It’s giving toxic. You dodged a bullet with those expectations within that limited time
Another fake story. Don’t people get tired of making up rage bait shit? 🤣 I’m not going to mention what gave it away because then ai will just use it to improve.
Perfect - you know exactly where you stand. Heck… you even got a message back!
I appreciate the honesty. But it looks like they are looking for someone who is already working for the company :)
They already knew who they wanted to hire, been there and done that. It's infuriating but it happens.
Sounds a bit toxic: no learning support, hours beyond contracted from day one, full capacity after 2 weeks. What professional org does that? “We encourage you to keep applying elsewhere” great advice though
If this is a software job, the demand to "deliver at full capacity within the first two weeks" without onboarding is just ludicrous, even though it is a common delusion of management that an experienced developer can just plug right in. In my experience, the places where managers have this delusion are also places where they have no documentation and a shit-ton of technical debt. In a place like this a new hire may never be as productive as the original developers who made the mess and know where all the bodies are buried. It may take two weeks for them to get your computer, desk, and chair delivered. If your just signed on and your manager says this, you need to have a talk with them about technical debt and impossible expectations.
Good news: "requires minimum onboarding" is a glaring red flag.
God bless the honest people!
One can't start in two weeks anyway; if it is anything remotely complex and with no onboarding, it is surely impossible.
Why would they look for people from outside to employ if they want someone already familiar with their internal tools? Do they want a mind reader?
Oh wow. I need to copy this for our job description. What’s the point of advertising anything but the truth?
At least you got some reasons 🥲. A lot of times, they don't even tell u why
Looking for the employer they describe they will lose months. They are so stupid they created a paradox.
Nah. Don't take it personal. Some companies really do need someone to come in running and it's not for everyone.
Sounds delusional to me 🤷🏾♀️
"We encourage you to keep applying elsewhere "... Like what else are you going to do? And you really don't need their encouragement for that.
Lol adios
It has become crazy.
The only place where ive experienced proper onboarding is when I have taken flight.
Why do companies post job positions only to hire an internal employee? The job market is atrocious.
Sounds like they want an internal hire
Its the "Comforter with ambiguity and shifting priorities, extended work hours"
That would make me nervous.
No clear instructions, no consistent hours and no real direction.
I have a hard time not dating women who immediately declare all of their bad flags as well. Sounds like this would have been a healthy career you missed out on, lol
Hard to saying without knowing the position. Context is a hell of a thing
Another company looking for something that doesn't exist? What's new? They'll cry about not being able to find talent when all they need to do is train hires for a bit and get the talent they want in a week or two,
They should just give the job to AI then.
First of all, what a brutal read this was, and at the same time, I’m happy for OP, at least this was actionable and actually gave closure. Most people just get silence or a generic template, which is honestly nerve wracking when you’re already doing 100+ applications.
Getting closure should be the norm, and I don’t want to offend any TA folks here, but I get it. It’s not humanly practical to send 200 personalized rejection notes every day, especially when priorities keep shifting.
And yeah, expectations are high, but that’s the world we live in right now, adaptability and being comfortable with ambiguity is becoming a baseline requirement for a lot of evolving roles.
That said, the expectations listed in mail are basically them admitting they don’t have bandwidth for onboarding/learning curve at this moment, and candidates should treat that as a signal too (great opportunity to grow). If that wasn’t communicated upfront, the lack of honesty should be a red flag on both sides, in any case.
I got a very similar response once after a third round interview for a job I got referred to, even with a confirmation they decided to move in with another candidate that suited their needs in the ways they explained. My friend working in the company told me they spent a year without actually filling the position, so yeah.
Fast paced = youll be overworked
I think it's unfair and is a bit demanding but I wouldn't turn my nose up at the communication and honesty. More employers like this please
I agree with you.
I swear I had an interview mer tell me that no training or onboarding will be provided..day 1 or Day 0 ramp up…is required
Their expectations are fucking insane and not realistic at all. Sorry they wasted your time, but at least you don't have to work there
Where the hell are you applying that the hiring managers actually do their jobs and explain why you weren’t hired??
I actually like this a lot l.
If you dont already know internal tools, why would they want an interview?
IOW: We're hiring internally. We just had to act like we were interested in external candidates.
Iow...They had an internal candidate in mind