“We should not support Transgenders because they are mentally sick!” Said the Transphobic people who are the main reason why most of us are depressed and have mental illnesses
Seriously just accept us and we will be happy! It is not that hard!
i was going to reply to the bigot but thankfully their messages got removed. hopefully this list of studies is useful to other people who might want evidence that transition is life saving and necessary, and that forcing trans people to "accept" their assigned sex does not actually work.
Green et al. (2020) found that “undergoing sexual orientation or gender identity conversion efforts (SOGICE)” doubled the risk of suicide
“According to a 2016 study published in LGBT Health, family rejection increases the odds of substance misuse and suicide attempts in transgender and gender non-conforming people. These results mirror research by Dr. Caitlin Ryan and the Family Acceptance Project, which found that LGBTQ youth whose families affirm their gender identity and sexual orientation are almost 50 percent less likely to make a suicide attempt compared to those whose families are unsupportive.”(Human Rights Campaign)
A longitudinal study of 315 youth between ages 12 and 20 surveyed the participants over the course of 24 months after they initiated hormone replacement therapy. The study found that participants demonstrated significant improvements in appearance congruence (i.e., alleviation of gender dysphoria and body-related self-image issues), psychological well-being, social satisfaction and self-efficacy and significant reductions in negative affect and negative social perception. Significant associations between improved appearance congruence and different indicators of emotional functioning were observed at baseline and over time. Source.
Transitioning reduces suicide attempts by more than half, and just experiencing less transphobia reduces attempt risk by over 75%. Source 1.
The vast majority of research corroborates these results on suicide risk. Source 2.Source 3.
Because they are also ableist. They don't call people "mentally ill" because they want to help in any way, but as a way to gaslight trans people into stigma and make it even worse for them. The real mental illness is worrying that much about a very small minority which only wants to exist.
Reminds me how transphobes love to throw around stats that say trans people attempt suicide more often as some kind of gotcha.
Like, brother, YOU are the reason that stat is as high as it is. Here's a thought. Stop harassing trans people and saying they shouldn't exist, and maybe it wouldn't be so high 🤷
Unfortunately its true. Trans people and gender diverse people have a much higher suicidality and attempt rate. Not only from harrassment, because even those who are supported have higher rates. Less, but still elevated. A result of gender dysphoria, mostly, but also the relentless hate.
Which its wild that people read that and come to the conclusion transitioning is what leads to suicide, not the dysphoria itself that lingers constantly. Just has less opening to strike when going through treatment.
Exactly. There’s actually been a lot of research done on the topic (I would know, had to make a research paper on it lol) and everything shows that suicidality, anxiety, depression etc etc goes down significantly with HRT and transitioning. It’s essentially a miracle treatment to Gender Dysphoria. One of the best working treatments of any mental health problem ever. Crazy low disistance and regret rate. It’s amazing what it can do
Imagine having an actual miracle cure to a debilitating mental illness and saying, "nuh-uh. Not allowed. My two genderinos matter more, and you have to stick to it."
That's like choosing not to take a tested and proven effective vaccine for a disease because you value the ability to say no to everything more than your own health or the health of those around you.
So what? No-one chooses their body. Some are born with crippling illnesses. That sucks, but at the end of the day you can't change it. All these excuses won't make people happy. Some may deceive themselves for a time, but at the end of the day they're focusing on the wrong problems. If you're blaming your own ability to survive then you've already outsourced your wellbeing in a way that you're not in control of your own life.
I'm pretty sure that crippling illnesses negatively affect the bearer's mental health too, also trans people know that they're not biologically the other gender, they're not trying to change that. Also these "excuses" will literally make them happier, who are you to say they're focusing on the wrong problems, when their mental health is impacted so negatively?
Do people with crippling illnesses have no better option than to kill themselves? Suicide is a choice. Anyway threatening to kill themselves because of another person's actions is an abuser. There are better ways to communicate than such BS ultimatums. I think I would have been better off killing myself, but I doubt you'd be quite so sympathetic if I just pinned the blame on those I resent.
Of course they do and so do trans people; the point is that often they're so hated for just existing that their mental health gets worse partly because of this, and sometimes it leads to suicide. And what blame are you talking about, because it's not like they are at fault for getting hated by others
The difference is that there is an amazing treatment to help with gender dysphoria. Much research has been conducted on it and HRT treating GD has some of the best outcomes of any medical treatment ever. And this continues even decades after starting. There’s no excuse for denying trans people the care they deserve.
It sucks because there’s nothing to say if you are accepting. “Cool, doesn’t bother me. You do you” is often left unsaid.
Anyway, if I can make someone happy by just saying she instead of he or vice versa then that’s a stupid easy way to make someone smile then I’ll do so every time.
Sorry, I don’t understand what you are talking about. Could you please tell me what monsters my community are defending? Not all of us are okay with defending monsters and terrible people so I do not understand what you are saying.
Damn, imagine what would happen when you learn about all of the cases of sexual abuse of minors by priests. I bet you will be disgusted at that entire religion, will refuse to follow anything they say, and mock every religious person out there! Since thats exactly what your logic with trans people, why would religious people be different? Makes perfect sense to me.
It tickles me to no end how fragile and shallow bigots are.
Ask them to say "he" instead of "she" and you've ruined their entire day. It's rly sad but hilarious at the same time lol
Whoa there friend, sounds like you are harboring a lot of resentment and trauma. I'm really sorry for your experience with your religion. I have several people in my life who have abandoned their religion - from seventh day advents to Mormons, to witnesses. I know it is a life changing experience - especially if it severs ties with those you were once close to. It is a bold and brave choice to make. However, you're making some sweeping generalizations about trans people based on what sounds like some limited personal experience.
I appreciate your sentiment, but you lost the plot when you said "it doesn't matter whether these ideas align with reality..." Because, trans people do align with reality. They are, in fact, real. What you are actually saying is trans people don't align with your worldview. Gender is a social construct - it extends well beyond a person's genitals. It is bizarre to think that anytime someone uses the pronouns he/him, they are actually using a euphemism to say "that person with a penis". Ridiculous.
As far as the trans community treating you like "the worst humans...for stating the obvious" it feels like you are leaving some details out. By "stating the obvious" do you mean you intentionally misgender or dead name people? Because that's awful and I would judge you as a bad person if you did that. However, if in good faith you were to ask about gender topics you don't understand I'd be happy to help you out. Unfortunately, it is not every trans person's job to educate you. It can be exhausting to feel like you need to constantly educate ignorant cis people on gender topics. So even if you are approaching in good-faith, you may have encountered friction in the past. I'm cisgender, so I don't yet feel exhausted helping people navigate gender topics. That also means I'm not an authority on the topic as well, so I don't always get it all right.
Hey I can tell by reading this that you are not a hateful person by nature and as a ex believer in the lord and now trans woman i know your pain i agree that sometimes people overreact about somethings but that’s just human nature your not a horrible person and making a comparison between the identity part of this shared trauma is true though i do disagree on a few key things that you said
Hey, i would just like to clarify, why would trans peoole's identities not be valid?? Forgive me if im missunderstanding but by your wording in the second to last paragraph that seems to be what you're saying.
The controlling majority of congress, the senate, scotus, the executive branch, and chik-fil-a : Get wrecked, you piece of shit. How dare you even breathe.
I've realized I'm trans like, a month ago and Jesus Christ is it depressing here in the states. It's exhausting seeing, literally every day, the government slide closer and closer to literally just throwing me into a death camp but most people just brush it off and make me feel crazy for being afraid
Exsistance is made a crime when you dare to challenge the rigid lines of the picket fence. They want an all white, all right dystopia straight out of a hot dog ad, and you challenge that, keep challenging it. I believe in you
for real like ???? so many people are mad at us for no reason??? i swear their reasons for us ‘destroying’ society is them pulling shit that aint even out the ass
I am sad that happened to you but respectfully, fuck that specific person and people like her
You know many times I saw men grope other men in men's bathroom(almost happened to me once),and the same stuff happens in the women's bathrooms (according to my siblings at least) but just at a much lesser rate, does that mean that we should ban all men or women from going to public restrooms?, disgusting people will do disgusting shit no matter the gender or identity or anything and will proceed to sometimes abuse the most basic of rights to do horrible shit
Does mean you take those basic rights away, no and instead you punish the criminal instead of all people who happen to share a trait with them
no we should just ban trans ppl from those bathrooms bc yk bigger threat. we punish all of them bc why do i have to share a bathroom with men. look ok you be you but why does that have to affect my life.
You ppl never think these things through because if I as a trans man entered the women’s room I would get kicked out immediately and probably arrested. Whichever solution you think of, there will be flaws. So, how about we punish the predators instead of entire minority groups.
There is no problem with transgender people, but it's the part where they advocate for kids who don't have fully developed brains to have the option for hormone therapy without a parent's or guardian's approval that really fucks with me.
You want that in a bullet pointed list or is comma separated fine? You know what I'll go with bullet points since that's probably easier to follow along with. I'm from the US so most/all of these will focus on the US, but you know damn well other countries got issues with these as well.
Same sex marriage laws have continuously been under attack since they were adopted, and as recently as the last month or so there was an attempted vote to remove the law from the federal level outright.
Education and information about literally anything to do with LGBT people and rights is steadily being stripped from school curriculum and even government websites
Gender affirming care has been heavily restricted in many US states, including bans on hormone blockers for gender non conforming youth.
Laws and bills allowing or even requiring that students and employees be addressed by the incorrect names and gender.
"Bathroom bills" that intend to limit what public restrooms an individual can use. Important to note that actually enforcing such laws would require things like genital inspections before one is allowed to enter a restroom, which hurts cis people just as much as it does trans people.
A slew of "Don't say gay/LGBTQ+" laws/bills which are intended to, among other things, entirely prevent LGBTQ+ topics from being discussed in schools and government facilities. This extends to schools legally being required to out transgender or non-binary students to their parents and peers, even if they are only suspected of being trans.
Federal laws making it easier for states to pass further discriminatory laws targeting LGBTQ+ individuals
I could absolutely continue or go into more depth, but I'm hoping this small sample platter has perhaps opened your eyes a bit to what's actually going on, and why we feel so targeted. Because we are targeted.
You are not being targeted, children shouldn’t be on hormones at such a young age and if that makes you feel targeted then you may want to reconsider your stance
Bathrooms are catered towards male and female individuals and are segregated based on these sexes, your internal sense of self has no bearing on which sex you are or what toilet you are entitled to based on that
Children have no business learning about sexual orientation or preferences, hetero included, just let them be kids
Most of them are good things. I mean since when was school the place to go for sexuality? Sounds kind of noncey to me. Children should also not take drastic medication, they can simply make those kind of decisions when they're old enough to consent. Yes bathroom bills limit what public restrooms people use. Everyone is meant to go in the one designated to their sex. The rooms are designed based on where you pee out of, which is why urinals aren't ever in women's rooms. The "don't say gay" thing was sensationalism, but yeah, why would you be talking about sexuality with kids? It's not appropriate in the workforce but somehow appropriate in a school? As for discrimination, I'd take that one more seriously if the people supposedly against discrimination didn't spend so much of their time being discriminatory to people they disagree with. Because of that I actually do believe everyone has the right to discriminate against anyone they want, and you're free to react to discrimination in whatever way you see fit so long as it doesn't break the law.
If those are your biggest concerns, I don't why all of the drama that has been going on for years. Would have been in a much better spot not mentioning any of it at all given that the state of things are highly reactionary.
That is a hilariously naive thing to say. People like us are frequently treated with outright hostility and hate with zero reasoning or provocation. Even if it's not direct verbal or physical abuse, it's the dirty looks in public, or people intentionally trying to invalidate your feelings, experiences, and identity at every possible opportunity.
Affirmation is not a right, that much is true, but we should not have to deal with people constantly attacking and abusing us in the plethora of large and small ways that they do. I just want to live my life and be respected by the people around me in the most basic ways, and I can tell you from personal experience, that is absolutely not the case right now. It doesn't matter how "decent" I treat some people, they'll still see me as some kind of threat or disgrace, and treat me as such regardless. That is what is unfair, and it goes well beyond some people accidentally or unintentionally misgendering or deadnaming me. Realistically I shouldn't have to deal with that shit either, but there are bigger issues to deal with first.
I got a tip for you. We're all treated like shit. It's just for some of us it's not considered to be a bad thing. You either rise above it, or you crash and burn. Unfortunately society seems to just want to fan the flames so more people get burned.
You're correct that it doesn't matter how decent you treat some people. Some people are just pricks. But if you take 100 people and you're decent to them all, and another 100 people and meet them with contempt, will there be a difference? Of course. There will be pricks in both groups, but that doesn't mean that you ought to sacrifice decency for the sake of those who don't act appropriately, you just end up increasing the amount of people who will be hostile. I've seen this and so many people refuse to escape their own trap they've laid out for themselves because they build up these defence mechanism to say that they don't deserve it. Even if true, it is still better to build positive relations.
When ever did I say I wasn't good to everyone I met? I'm not a shitty person simply because I get treated like shit by some people. I still choose to be a good person to everyone in spite of how I'm treated by those people. Well at least until hostility comes my way, I'm not going to be nice and sweet to someone that clearly has no intention of respecting me, nor should I be expected to. I am not going to "build positive relations" with people that have no respect for me. That shit doesn't work because respect is the most basic fundamental requirement and they simply have none for us. It's been tried with the whole bullshit "LGB without the T" movement, trying to worm their way into the bigots good graces by throwing the most vulnerable group under the bus. It. Does. Not. Work. They will take the help in erasing one letter, then move right on to the next one. They will never have respect for any of us and they will not stop until they never have to see us again. Is every run of the mill asshole like that? No, of course not, but they're all complacent in the efforts of those that are that bad.
Regardless, my point is that we should not have to be treated like inhuman trash to begin with, especially for things we have no control over. We don't go out of our way to draw hostility towards us, it just happens on occasion simply because of the way we are. Simply because we exist. Before any LGBTQ+ person does anything to anyone to somehow "deserve" the hate, they hate us all the same because we exist. You seem to either be ignorant of that fact, or are intentionally downplaying it because you don't want to admit that there is legitimate and valid cause for concern with the way queer individuals are treated.
When the slippery slope is a fallacy in once direction and an inevitability in the other, you get problems. Perhaps you don't go out of your way to be hostile but my comment was general and I've seen many many people who were and claim that they were being victimised.
Both things can be, and are, true. Some people victimize themselves, but that doesn't mean they always victimize themselves. And it absolutely doesn't mean everyone does.
The self victimization is counterproductive, but you don't get to just point to the people that are putting themselves in the crosshairs and use that as justification to simply ignore any and all abuse and hate that happens across the board.
The fact that you took the comments here and felt the need to point out that some of the abuse and hate is a result of defensive hostility and/or self victimization tells me that you're looking for excuses to ignore or avoid the problem rather than addressing it.
I am addressing the problem, it's just that people don't want to listen (which is fine, I'm not that invested on whether people take my advice or not, especially nowadays). I think people should be shown a different path, but ultimately if they wish to continue on the same one that causes them grief, that is their choice to make.
Does it suck? Yes. Still appreciate your privilege because yes you would be killed in the street in a lot of countries in the east. Either that or forbidden from getting a job, denied care, beaten, have stones thrown at you, and the list goes on and on.
You make a joke but many people in the world don’t have your privilege. It is your right to always advocate for more and not be complacent but you should feel better that you have the right to do that other than worrying purely about survival or if your sexual preferences or gender identity will get you killed or mutilated
Trans people are murdered pretty frequently here too, just not by the state. We still face pretty severe discrimination by both law and society, it’s also getting worse. The bar isn’t theocratic murder states. There’s plenty of Americans that would love seeing us murdered by the state as well, let’s not pretend the growing Christian Nationalist movement is a tolerant one.
Literally not what I said but go off ig. I said appreciate your privilege, never be complacent and advocate for yourself. But understand the privilege you have to do that, straight people and heterosexual people are murdered a lot too. There’s plenty of people that would like to see me murdered, black people murdered, Hispanic people murdered, Asian people murdered, white people murdered, rich people murdered, poor people murdered.
However, in the U.S and other western countries it is illegal to murder someone that is trans or commit hate crimes. That is the difference, go into the Middle East or somewhere else and it isn’t like that
Where did you get I said you should feel better about rights being taken away? i’m just saying it is better than not being allowed to exist. it is better than getting stoned to death in public. if you think those are better outcomes, that’s on you. There can always be a better life, but there can always be a worse life. Believe in a better life, but appreciate the life you have because it can be worse.
Well I know it can be worse but it doesn't help at all. It can always be worse, it's just sad that one of the few places that isn't horrifically abusive towards trans people is sliding into hate and fearmongering. And of course I'm going to be concerned about my country more than other places, because I live here and my family and friends do too. I'm not happy those places exist like that, but I don't have the emotional energy to concern myself with that right now when the fight is here at home
Absolutely I agree with you. just because it can be worse does not mean you should not try to make it better. all I’m saying is to appreciate what you have, but you can still want more.
Woah the USA is one of the best countries to be trans in, you wouldn’t get away with that shit in the Middle East (absolutely no statement about being trans or anything, just why tf is the USA flag up there when it’s one of the better countries to transition in)
Our government is fear mongering about trans people and is actively trying to get to a point where trans people are treated here like they are in the middle east. It's especially jarring that the USA has gone so far back in this because we've had rights and were progressive on this until very recently
Didn’t say THE best tho did he? People just love hating on the U.S. for any reason. Much of the U.S. doesn’t care if you are trans, I certainly don’t as long as they’re a good person, they deserve to have all the rights I do and be treated as I do. Do they have those privileges fully? Not quite but we are much more accepting than Reddit of all places makes you think.
Just because the U.S is bad doesn’t mean many European countries are good or safe havens
Wonder why that is... Couldn't be the constant threats and harassment could it? I hate the suicide rate statistic argument bc it's so obviously caused by transphobia and not transitioning it's halarious how transphobes will use it as an argument against transitioning. It's like that one Patrick meme:
"So, bullying causes suicide a lot of the time. Right?" "Makes sense." "Okay, and transphobes bully trans people." "Mhm." "So the reason trans people are so suicidal is because of the constant threats to them as a person and their rights." "Actually no, it's because they transitioned."
there are a lot of you that do in fact want to kill and want people to die. not just trans people either, but lots of groups.
treating "mentally ill" people like this is just stupid. whether it's because they're trans or otherwise. if there were a surgery to cure my depression i'd probably take it. turns out trans people have medicine or surgeries or other things they can do to make life more bearable. why do you care so much what their treatment is?
this is literally what transphobia is. why would you say it's not? why are you so afraid of being called it? like, even if you stand behind your words, why won't you stand behind the term? accept that that's what means.
"common sense" is not a real thing. everyone who says this just means "things i was told to believe by my parents and i'm incapable of thinking about another worldview." to me, common sense would be accepting people for who they are and even if i didn't (which i do), not raising a big stink about it constantly
source for most of the population? population where? is it just "my friends and i believe this therefore it's everybody"
at the end of the day, you're a mean person with hate in your heart. either accept that or change it. you can't dance around it. those are the two options.
Just to add two thing: being trans is also not a mental illness the same way for example being gay isn't a mental illness. It's just a different variation.
The other: even if most people are transphobic, that doesn’t mean transphobia would be good. It's an argument from popularity. It would mean that society has a long way to go.
You're wrong. They don't just want to kill people, they do kill people. Regularly. Most mass shooters are conservative, most political violence is by the right. Conservatives regularly enact policy that gets people killed, then try to prevent the consequences for those deaths.
So you acknowledge gender and sex are different? Cause you referred to them separately. If there's a difference between the two, then you have a fundamental misconception as to the nature of gender, which is that it's not as rigid and is a psychological thing, while sex is biological.
Also, "the right don't want anyone to be killed or die"? That's a lie and you know it. I still remember that time right wingers were making fun of a trans girl who killed herself. And the statistics showing right wingers cause more political violence and political murders
If a person suffering from anorexia told you they were fat, would you tell them that there suffering from a mental illness or would you go along with their delusion? This is how I feel about trans
You can't change your biological/birth sex, or your chromosomal makeup, sure. Gender is however a set of performative societal norms, expectations, rituals, etc.. What a 'man' or a 'woman' are, other than physiology is more or less completely made up. It's not fixed, and has changed many times across history and across different cultures.
Someone can socialize as a woman, take exogenous hormones to align their physiology with their internal experience of gender, and even suffer through facial / genital surgery, and it's still never enough for people like you. Because they were born with certain genitals.
I guess the big question is why do you believe that the way someone was born has to define them for the rest of their lives. I think you'd be hard pressed to find people who would genuinely deny birth sex / chromosomes, but why does it matter so much to you? Why is it such a big deal? It's not something you get to choose. So someone was born with a dick but wants to express femininity or be seen as feminine, or vice versa. So what? What's bizarre to me is how people want to condemn others to fit into a mold that isn't right for them or is causing them to suffer. Because you feel icky (or threatened) about a 'dude' whose supposed to be manly and shit deciding to live in a way that feels more authentically like themselves.
We are all forced into meat prisons with a bunch of randomized parameters that we had no say about. I don't see any issue with wanting to change them. I don't see your outrage when people want to cut / dye their hair, wear glasses, tan their skin, get limb heightening surgery, and so on and so forth.
Also, even taking your framing that it's a mental illness (which is problematic, most people just say this and bring it up because they want to denigrate trans people), the illness is gender dysphoria - and the vast majority of research on the subject, and the vast majority of doctors have said that the best treatment for gender dysphoria is transitioning. So you don't even understand your own argument or take it to its logical end.
Also, also, the idea that 'the right don't want anyone to be killed or die' when America is going through a neo-nazi phase is absolutely, positively fucking laughable. Your savior Charlie Kirk wanted plenty of people to die, namely non-whites, women, and trans people. He talked about it a lot actually. Nick Fuentes is a literal neo-nazi, Stephen Miller is a literal neo-nazi. Elon Musk did a sieg heil on stage at the presidential inauguration, twice. Steve Bannon is an unabashed fascist. The list literally goes on and on of people that would cream their pants in glee at the sight of a single dead minority. You're either utterly blind or lying through your teeth because you know this. Be so for real sweetie.
The guy deleted his comment (and account?) but they were a self avowed conservative, and my comment made a couple logical concessions because you have to meet people where they're at. Even if you medically transition, you're not changing your birth sex. Of everything in my longwinded post defending trans people, this is what you decided to take issue with. There's no 'narrative'. Move on.
I took issue with it cause it’s wrong, you change your sex when you medically transition, not your gender, and it’s a personal pet peeve when allies make a similar claims
That's fair, but IMO it's a nitpick when the guy I was arguing with is way far on the other side of the argument. My point is that you have to make some 'concessions' sometimes in order to get someone to see the broader picture.
It is a mental illness that can be extremely detrimental, correct, and the most effective treatment as of today is HRT. All they are trying to do is to get the medications they deserve.
You should look into what gender dysphoria does to people, the stuff is mad crazy. Complications range from anxiety and eating disorders all the way to deciding to end it all.
It actually really doesn't, it drops a lot and, incredibly, drops a lot harder in places where the social stigma and bullying is lower! It also drops off a lot more the earlier in life people start their transition whether socially or hormonally!
If you feel the need to make yourself something you aren’t then there is something deep going on you should probably seek therapy before doing something you’ll regret
That's the point. Ive been in therapy for years, and I've concluded that I am indeed trans and have never been a man, and performing as a man is something I've never been, and I regret forcing myself so much through insistence.
The only thing I regret besides that is not having transitioned sooner and being happy much sooner.
Because you’re using the tired old excuse of “it’s unnatural” even though it’s such a shitty ignorant argument and we hear it all the damn time. Modern medicine isn’t natural, but it saves lives and we would be fucked without it.
The pain, social outcasting, and suicide can also be avoided by people like you accepting who other people are.
People like you make society as hostile as possible for trans people, and then point to the mental health challenges created by that constant hate and hostility as evidence for why you should be hateful.
let me guess, you mean the 42%? you know the statistic that originally stated that the 42% where only people who considered it? not actually went through with it? fucking stupid take
Wellllll maybe consider not driving the statistically highest suicide group in all of history to kill themselves?
Why not accept that it doesn't affect you in any single way at all and you're the reason trans people commit suicide? Be less of a little crybaby bitch about something that you'll never have to deal with because you socially outcast anyone you don't like.
It doesn't work this way, like telling someone who's depressed to just smile.
The stuff can get mad nasty if left untreated, and the most effective and safe way to approach it is transitioning. A lot of other medications for mental illnesses have side-effects way worse than that of HRT, so I don't think we should gatekeep it or shame people for it
These people really think just existing is "ramming it down their throats". The only place people like this ever hear about trans people is from their own right wing media that they choose to follow 😆
“We should not support Transgenders because they are mentally sick!” Said the Transphobic people who are the main reason why most of us are depressed and have mental illnesses
Seriously just accept us and we will be happy! It is not that hard!
i was going to reply to the bigot but thankfully their messages got removed. hopefully this list of studies is useful to other people who might want evidence that transition is life saving and necessary, and that forcing trans people to "accept" their assigned sex does not actually work.
Green et al. (2020) found that “undergoing sexual orientation or gender identity conversion efforts (SOGICE)” doubled the risk of suicide
“According to a 2016 study published in LGBT Health, family rejection increases the odds of substance misuse and suicide attempts in transgender and gender non-conforming people. These results mirror research by Dr. Caitlin Ryan and the Family Acceptance Project, which found that LGBTQ youth whose families affirm their gender identity and sexual orientation are almost 50 percent less likely to make a suicide attempt compared to those whose families are unsupportive.”(Human Rights Campaign)
A longitudinal study of 315 youth between ages 12 and 20 surveyed the participants over the course of 24 months after they initiated hormone replacement therapy. The study found that participants demonstrated significant improvements in appearance congruence (i.e., alleviation of gender dysphoria and body-related self-image issues), psychological well-being, social satisfaction and self-efficacy and significant reductions in negative affect and negative social perception. Significant associations between improved appearance congruence and different indicators of emotional functioning were observed at baseline and over time. Source.
Transitioning reduces suicide attempts by more than half, and just experiencing less transphobia reduces attempt risk by over 75%. Source 1.
The vast majority of research corroborates these results on suicide risk. Source 2. Source 3.
They call it mental illness and then try to take away the most effective treatment as of today, shit is crazy
Because they are also ableist. They don't call people "mentally ill" because they want to help in any way, but as a way to gaslight trans people into stigma and make it even worse for them. The real mental illness is worrying that much about a very small minority which only wants to exist.
Reminds me how transphobes love to throw around stats that say trans people attempt suicide more often as some kind of gotcha.
Like, brother, YOU are the reason that stat is as high as it is. Here's a thought. Stop harassing trans people and saying they shouldn't exist, and maybe it wouldn't be so high 🤷
it is also untrue.
the real suicide statistics tell a much different much darker story.
Unfortunately its true. Trans people and gender diverse people have a much higher suicidality and attempt rate. Not only from harrassment, because even those who are supported have higher rates. Less, but still elevated. A result of gender dysphoria, mostly, but also the relentless hate.
Which its wild that people read that and come to the conclusion transitioning is what leads to suicide, not the dysphoria itself that lingers constantly. Just has less opening to strike when going through treatment.
Exactly. There’s actually been a lot of research done on the topic (I would know, had to make a research paper on it lol) and everything shows that suicidality, anxiety, depression etc etc goes down significantly with HRT and transitioning. It’s essentially a miracle treatment to Gender Dysphoria. One of the best working treatments of any mental health problem ever. Crazy low disistance and regret rate. It’s amazing what it can do
Imagine having an actual miracle cure to a debilitating mental illness and saying, "nuh-uh. Not allowed. My two genderinos matter more, and you have to stick to it."
That's like choosing not to take a tested and proven effective vaccine for a disease because you value the ability to say no to everything more than your own health or the health of those around you.
That would be stupid...
So why aren't other demographics that face higher levels of persecution at similar rates of self deletion?
They don't wish they born as the other gender every single day of their lives
So what? No-one chooses their body. Some are born with crippling illnesses. That sucks, but at the end of the day you can't change it. All these excuses won't make people happy. Some may deceive themselves for a time, but at the end of the day they're focusing on the wrong problems. If you're blaming your own ability to survive then you've already outsourced your wellbeing in a way that you're not in control of your own life.
I'm pretty sure that crippling illnesses negatively affect the bearer's mental health too, also trans people know that they're not biologically the other gender, they're not trying to change that. Also these "excuses" will literally make them happier, who are you to say they're focusing on the wrong problems, when their mental health is impacted so negatively?
Do people with crippling illnesses have no better option than to kill themselves? Suicide is a choice. Anyway threatening to kill themselves because of another person's actions is an abuser. There are better ways to communicate than such BS ultimatums. I think I would have been better off killing myself, but I doubt you'd be quite so sympathetic if I just pinned the blame on those I resent.
Of course they do and so do trans people; the point is that often they're so hated for just existing that their mental health gets worse partly because of this, and sometimes it leads to suicide. And what blame are you talking about, because it's not like they are at fault for getting hated by others
The difference is that there is an amazing treatment to help with gender dysphoria. Much research has been conducted on it and HRT treating GD has some of the best outcomes of any medical treatment ever. And this continues even decades after starting. There’s no excuse for denying trans people the care they deserve.
As I said, it’s gender dysphoria that causes this. A mismatch between gender and sex.
It sucks because there’s nothing to say if you are accepting. “Cool, doesn’t bother me. You do you” is often left unsaid. Anyway, if I can make someone happy by just saying she instead of he or vice versa then that’s a stupid easy way to make someone smile then I’ll do so every time.
exactly, it's so simple and so effective. And you will definitely get a smile every time. :3
I wish more people would act like you. Like, it's genuinely not that hard to show people basic human respect, kindness, and compassion.
Have you considered “ew icky gross trans”? It’s quite a compelling argument.
Like with that logic you could get rid of a loooot of equlity laws
Every time I hear the statistic get thrown out I’m like yeah because of YOU
Whos the dude in this gif? I think ive seen him before
So they call it a mental illness, and then they yell slurs at the people they think are mentally ill… I don’t understand transphobes
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Sorry, I don’t understand what you are talking about. Could you please tell me what monsters my community are defending? Not all of us are okay with defending monsters and terrible people so I do not understand what you are saying.
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Damn, imagine what would happen when you learn about all of the cases of sexual abuse of minors by priests. I bet you will be disgusted at that entire religion, will refuse to follow anything they say, and mock every religious person out there! Since thats exactly what your logic with trans people, why would religious people be different? Makes perfect sense to me.
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Definitely other countries that do it worse but still bad definitely
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Love to see that the Isle of Skye is finally getting it's shit together
It tickles me to no end how fragile and shallow bigots are. Ask them to say "he" instead of "she" and you've ruined their entire day. It's rly sad but hilarious at the same time lol
In my neck of the woods, all our pride crosswalks end up with burnouts and sometimes even manure on them.
Which makes me think, you went out of your way across the city to deface a road, because the colors bothered you? But I'm the snowflake?
Its sad they are perpetuating hate, but its also so riduculous that I can't help but just laugh at the irony of the whole thing.
They're so silly lol.
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Whoa there friend, sounds like you are harboring a lot of resentment and trauma. I'm really sorry for your experience with your religion. I have several people in my life who have abandoned their religion - from seventh day advents to Mormons, to witnesses. I know it is a life changing experience - especially if it severs ties with those you were once close to. It is a bold and brave choice to make. However, you're making some sweeping generalizations about trans people based on what sounds like some limited personal experience.
I appreciate your sentiment, but you lost the plot when you said "it doesn't matter whether these ideas align with reality..." Because, trans people do align with reality. They are, in fact, real. What you are actually saying is trans people don't align with your worldview. Gender is a social construct - it extends well beyond a person's genitals. It is bizarre to think that anytime someone uses the pronouns he/him, they are actually using a euphemism to say "that person with a penis". Ridiculous.
As far as the trans community treating you like "the worst humans...for stating the obvious" it feels like you are leaving some details out. By "stating the obvious" do you mean you intentionally misgender or dead name people? Because that's awful and I would judge you as a bad person if you did that. However, if in good faith you were to ask about gender topics you don't understand I'd be happy to help you out. Unfortunately, it is not every trans person's job to educate you. It can be exhausting to feel like you need to constantly educate ignorant cis people on gender topics. So even if you are approaching in good-faith, you may have encountered friction in the past. I'm cisgender, so I don't yet feel exhausted helping people navigate gender topics. That also means I'm not an authority on the topic as well, so I don't always get it all right.
That's not what I do but ok 👍
Hey I can tell by reading this that you are not a hateful person by nature and as a ex believer in the lord and now trans woman i know your pain i agree that sometimes people overreact about somethings but that’s just human nature your not a horrible person and making a comparison between the identity part of this shared trauma is true though i do disagree on a few key things that you said
THANK YOU.
Hey, i would just like to clarify, why would trans peoole's identities not be valid?? Forgive me if im missunderstanding but by your wording in the second to last paragraph that seems to be what you're saying.
mikhail bulgakov
Me : exists
The controlling majority of congress, the senate, scotus, the executive branch, and chik-fil-a : Get wrecked, you piece of shit. How dare you even breathe.
Okay, I chuckled at the mentioning of Chik-fil-a last lmao. Truly an "Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking" moment XD
Wow the bigots are out in force today
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the ooooop should've screenshotted better smh
I've realized I'm trans like, a month ago and Jesus Christ is it depressing here in the states. It's exhausting seeing, literally every day, the government slide closer and closer to literally just throwing me into a death camp but most people just brush it off and make me feel crazy for being afraid
So many transphobes and people who think America is anywhere near best in anything in these comments
Why is everything awarded here ?
Because someone pressed the award button on a number of comments?
Exsistance is made a crime when you dare to challenge the rigid lines of the picket fence. They want an all white, all right dystopia straight out of a hot dog ad, and you challenge that, keep challenging it. I believe in you
They literally could feel okay without the extra shit
for real like ???? so many people are mad at us for no reason??? i swear their reasons for us ‘destroying’ society is them pulling shit that aint even out the ass
Say thanks for activist, who make it annoying
If you think American is this way, you should try moving to most other countries
Uhh… is this referring to the gov or the people?
I'm free now
The rope sales will continue until moral improves.
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lmao i just mildly disliked it when I almost got groped in a public restroom by a trans gal
I am sad that happened to you but respectfully, fuck that specific person and people like her
You know many times I saw men grope other men in men's bathroom(almost happened to me once),and the same stuff happens in the women's bathrooms (according to my siblings at least) but just at a much lesser rate, does that mean that we should ban all men or women from going to public restrooms?, disgusting people will do disgusting shit no matter the gender or identity or anything and will proceed to sometimes abuse the most basic of rights to do horrible shit
Does mean you take those basic rights away, no and instead you punish the criminal instead of all people who happen to share a trait with them
no we should just ban trans ppl from those bathrooms bc yk bigger threat. we punish all of them bc why do i have to share a bathroom with men. look ok you be you but why does that have to affect my life.
You ppl never think these things through because if I as a trans man entered the women’s room I would get kicked out immediately and probably arrested. Whichever solution you think of, there will be flaws. So, how about we punish the predators instead of entire minority groups.
There is no problem with transgender people, but it's the part where they advocate for kids who don't have fully developed brains to have the option for hormone therapy without a parent's or guardian's approval that really fucks with me.
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With people wishing we'd die and doing everything they can to make our lives hell?
I wonder why we're still not happy...
It's almost like trans people are having all their basic human rights stripped away...hmmm....
Affirmation is not a right. Treat people with decency and chances are people will be decent back.
I never said it was.
What rights are being taken away?
You want that in a bullet pointed list or is comma separated fine? You know what I'll go with bullet points since that's probably easier to follow along with. I'm from the US so most/all of these will focus on the US, but you know damn well other countries got issues with these as well.
Same sex marriage laws have continuously been under attack since they were adopted, and as recently as the last month or so there was an attempted vote to remove the law from the federal level outright.
Education and information about literally anything to do with LGBT people and rights is steadily being stripped from school curriculum and even government websites
Gender affirming care has been heavily restricted in many US states, including bans on hormone blockers for gender non conforming youth.
Laws and bills allowing or even requiring that students and employees be addressed by the incorrect names and gender.
"Bathroom bills" that intend to limit what public restrooms an individual can use. Important to note that actually enforcing such laws would require things like genital inspections before one is allowed to enter a restroom, which hurts cis people just as much as it does trans people.
A slew of "Don't say gay/LGBTQ+" laws/bills which are intended to, among other things, entirely prevent LGBTQ+ topics from being discussed in schools and government facilities. This extends to schools legally being required to out transgender or non-binary students to their parents and peers, even if they are only suspected of being trans.
Federal laws making it easier for states to pass further discriminatory laws targeting LGBTQ+ individuals
I could absolutely continue or go into more depth, but I'm hoping this small sample platter has perhaps opened your eyes a bit to what's actually going on, and why we feel so targeted. Because we are targeted.
You are not being targeted, children shouldn’t be on hormones at such a young age and if that makes you feel targeted then you may want to reconsider your stance
Bathrooms are catered towards male and female individuals and are segregated based on these sexes, your internal sense of self has no bearing on which sex you are or what toilet you are entitled to based on that
Children have no business learning about sexual orientation or preferences, hetero included, just let them be kids
Most of them are good things. I mean since when was school the place to go for sexuality? Sounds kind of noncey to me. Children should also not take drastic medication, they can simply make those kind of decisions when they're old enough to consent. Yes bathroom bills limit what public restrooms people use. Everyone is meant to go in the one designated to their sex. The rooms are designed based on where you pee out of, which is why urinals aren't ever in women's rooms. The "don't say gay" thing was sensationalism, but yeah, why would you be talking about sexuality with kids? It's not appropriate in the workforce but somehow appropriate in a school? As for discrimination, I'd take that one more seriously if the people supposedly against discrimination didn't spend so much of their time being discriminatory to people they disagree with. Because of that I actually do believe everyone has the right to discriminate against anyone they want, and you're free to react to discrimination in whatever way you see fit so long as it doesn't break the law.
If those are your biggest concerns, I don't why all of the drama that has been going on for years. Would have been in a much better spot not mentioning any of it at all given that the state of things are highly reactionary.
That is a hilariously naive thing to say. People like us are frequently treated with outright hostility and hate with zero reasoning or provocation. Even if it's not direct verbal or physical abuse, it's the dirty looks in public, or people intentionally trying to invalidate your feelings, experiences, and identity at every possible opportunity.
Affirmation is not a right, that much is true, but we should not have to deal with people constantly attacking and abusing us in the plethora of large and small ways that they do. I just want to live my life and be respected by the people around me in the most basic ways, and I can tell you from personal experience, that is absolutely not the case right now. It doesn't matter how "decent" I treat some people, they'll still see me as some kind of threat or disgrace, and treat me as such regardless. That is what is unfair, and it goes well beyond some people accidentally or unintentionally misgendering or deadnaming me. Realistically I shouldn't have to deal with that shit either, but there are bigger issues to deal with first.
I got a tip for you. We're all treated like shit. It's just for some of us it's not considered to be a bad thing. You either rise above it, or you crash and burn. Unfortunately society seems to just want to fan the flames so more people get burned.
You're correct that it doesn't matter how decent you treat some people. Some people are just pricks. But if you take 100 people and you're decent to them all, and another 100 people and meet them with contempt, will there be a difference? Of course. There will be pricks in both groups, but that doesn't mean that you ought to sacrifice decency for the sake of those who don't act appropriately, you just end up increasing the amount of people who will be hostile. I've seen this and so many people refuse to escape their own trap they've laid out for themselves because they build up these defence mechanism to say that they don't deserve it. Even if true, it is still better to build positive relations.
When ever did I say I wasn't good to everyone I met? I'm not a shitty person simply because I get treated like shit by some people. I still choose to be a good person to everyone in spite of how I'm treated by those people. Well at least until hostility comes my way, I'm not going to be nice and sweet to someone that clearly has no intention of respecting me, nor should I be expected to. I am not going to "build positive relations" with people that have no respect for me. That shit doesn't work because respect is the most basic fundamental requirement and they simply have none for us. It's been tried with the whole bullshit "LGB without the T" movement, trying to worm their way into the bigots good graces by throwing the most vulnerable group under the bus. It. Does. Not. Work. They will take the help in erasing one letter, then move right on to the next one. They will never have respect for any of us and they will not stop until they never have to see us again. Is every run of the mill asshole like that? No, of course not, but they're all complacent in the efforts of those that are that bad.
Regardless, my point is that we should not have to be treated like inhuman trash to begin with, especially for things we have no control over. We don't go out of our way to draw hostility towards us, it just happens on occasion simply because of the way we are. Simply because we exist. Before any LGBTQ+ person does anything to anyone to somehow "deserve" the hate, they hate us all the same because we exist. You seem to either be ignorant of that fact, or are intentionally downplaying it because you don't want to admit that there is legitimate and valid cause for concern with the way queer individuals are treated.
When the slippery slope is a fallacy in once direction and an inevitability in the other, you get problems. Perhaps you don't go out of your way to be hostile but my comment was general and I've seen many many people who were and claim that they were being victimised.
Both things can be, and are, true. Some people victimize themselves, but that doesn't mean they always victimize themselves. And it absolutely doesn't mean everyone does.
The self victimization is counterproductive, but you don't get to just point to the people that are putting themselves in the crosshairs and use that as justification to simply ignore any and all abuse and hate that happens across the board.
The fact that you took the comments here and felt the need to point out that some of the abuse and hate is a result of defensive hostility and/or self victimization tells me that you're looking for excuses to ignore or avoid the problem rather than addressing it.
I am addressing the problem, it's just that people don't want to listen (which is fine, I'm not that invested on whether people take my advice or not, especially nowadays). I think people should be shown a different path, but ultimately if they wish to continue on the same one that causes them grief, that is their choice to make.
Actually, America is one of the more commentating countries to be trans in especially compared to Middle Eastern and Asian countries.
Wow we're not actively being shot in the street. I feel all better now even though our rights are still being stripped away every day
Does it suck? Yes. Still appreciate your privilege because yes you would be killed in the street in a lot of countries in the east. Either that or forbidden from getting a job, denied care, beaten, have stones thrown at you, and the list goes on and on.
You make a joke but many people in the world don’t have your privilege. It is your right to always advocate for more and not be complacent but you should feel better that you have the right to do that other than worrying purely about survival or if your sexual preferences or gender identity will get you killed or mutilated
“You’ll eat shit and like it”
Trans people are murdered pretty frequently here too, just not by the state. We still face pretty severe discrimination by both law and society, it’s also getting worse. The bar isn’t theocratic murder states. There’s plenty of Americans that would love seeing us murdered by the state as well, let’s not pretend the growing Christian Nationalist movement is a tolerant one.
Literally not what I said but go off ig. I said appreciate your privilege, never be complacent and advocate for yourself. But understand the privilege you have to do that, straight people and heterosexual people are murdered a lot too. There’s plenty of people that would like to see me murdered, black people murdered, Hispanic people murdered, Asian people murdered, white people murdered, rich people murdered, poor people murdered.
However, in the U.S and other western countries it is illegal to murder someone that is trans or commit hate crimes. That is the difference, go into the Middle East or somewhere else and it isn’t like that
Where did you get I said you should feel better about rights being taken away? i’m just saying it is better than not being allowed to exist. it is better than getting stoned to death in public. if you think those are better outcomes, that’s on you. There can always be a better life, but there can always be a worse life. Believe in a better life, but appreciate the life you have because it can be worse.
Well I know it can be worse but it doesn't help at all. It can always be worse, it's just sad that one of the few places that isn't horrifically abusive towards trans people is sliding into hate and fearmongering. And of course I'm going to be concerned about my country more than other places, because I live here and my family and friends do too. I'm not happy those places exist like that, but I don't have the emotional energy to concern myself with that right now when the fight is here at home
Absolutely I agree with you. just because it can be worse does not mean you should not try to make it better. all I’m saying is to appreciate what you have, but you can still want more.
Woah the USA is one of the best countries to be trans in, you wouldn’t get away with that shit in the Middle East (absolutely no statement about being trans or anything, just why tf is the USA flag up there when it’s one of the better countries to transition in)
Our government is fear mongering about trans people and is actively trying to get to a point where trans people are treated here like they are in the middle east. It's especially jarring that the USA has gone so far back in this because we've had rights and were progressive on this until very recently
Just because there are worse countries doesn't mean that they US is good. Also there are literally better countries to be trans in than the US
Didn’t say THE best tho did he? People just love hating on the U.S. for any reason. Much of the U.S. doesn’t care if you are trans, I certainly don’t as long as they’re a good person, they deserve to have all the rights I do and be treated as I do. Do they have those privileges fully? Not quite but we are much more accepting than Reddit of all places makes you think.
Just because the U.S is bad doesn’t mean many European countries are good or safe havens
Is it easy to access GnRH analogues in the USA?
See, here is a plate of shit, but that other person has a plate of cyanide so you have it good overall
Stop being super fucking annoying
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The Suicide rate of Trans People is still around 60-70 Percent.
Wonder why that is... Couldn't be the constant threats and harassment could it? I hate the suicide rate statistic argument bc it's so obviously caused by transphobia and not transitioning it's halarious how transphobes will use it as an argument against transitioning. It's like that one Patrick meme:
"So, bullying causes suicide a lot of the time. Right?" "Makes sense." "Okay, and transphobes bully trans people." "Mhm." "So the reason trans people are so suicidal is because of the constant threats to them as a person and their rights." "Actually no, it's because they transitioned."
Like I'm crine 😭😭🥀🥀
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Maybe because we get treated like shit and don't get the necessary care we need
Redo it with Saudi Arabia the USA is one of the more progressive countries
Just because there are worse places doesn't mean the US is good, and it's actively getting worse in the US
Yeah but its not at all like the meme, saudi arabia actual is, we have programs to help pay for HRT, youll get imprisoned in the UAE
They don’t understand their privilege. Reddit just loves to hate and bring up the U.S. in every conversation
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there are a lot of you that do in fact want to kill and want people to die. not just trans people either, but lots of groups.
treating "mentally ill" people like this is just stupid. whether it's because they're trans or otherwise. if there were a surgery to cure my depression i'd probably take it. turns out trans people have medicine or surgeries or other things they can do to make life more bearable. why do you care so much what their treatment is?
this is literally what transphobia is. why would you say it's not? why are you so afraid of being called it? like, even if you stand behind your words, why won't you stand behind the term? accept that that's what means.
"common sense" is not a real thing. everyone who says this just means "things i was told to believe by my parents and i'm incapable of thinking about another worldview." to me, common sense would be accepting people for who they are and even if i didn't (which i do), not raising a big stink about it constantly
source for most of the population? population where? is it just "my friends and i believe this therefore it's everybody"
at the end of the day, you're a mean person with hate in your heart. either accept that or change it. you can't dance around it. those are the two options.
Just to add two thing: being trans is also not a mental illness the same way for example being gay isn't a mental illness. It's just a different variation.
The other: even if most people are transphobic, that doesn’t mean transphobia would be good. It's an argument from popularity. It would mean that society has a long way to go.
“You cannot change gender” LOL I already changed mine! 🤣
You're wrong. They don't just want to kill people, they do kill people. Regularly. Most mass shooters are conservative, most political violence is by the right. Conservatives regularly enact policy that gets people killed, then try to prevent the consequences for those deaths.
So you acknowledge gender and sex are different? Cause you referred to them separately. If there's a difference between the two, then you have a fundamental misconception as to the nature of gender, which is that it's not as rigid and is a psychological thing, while sex is biological.
Also, "the right don't want anyone to be killed or die"? That's a lie and you know it. I still remember that time right wingers were making fun of a trans girl who killed herself. And the statistics showing right wingers cause more political violence and political murders
If a person suffering from anorexia told you they were fat, would you tell them that there suffering from a mental illness or would you go along with their delusion? This is how I feel about trans
So you're admitting youre too stupid to understand the difference between an eating disorder and dysphoria.
lmao. nice flex sis.
Why is it common sense? What is so nonsensical about a male person being as a woman?
They just don't want people who are different to live.
"The right don't want anyone to be killed or die"
This is factually incorrect. A straight-up lie. An actual hoax. The right DOES want to kill trans people and often DO.
You can't change your biological/birth sex, or your chromosomal makeup, sure. Gender is however a set of performative societal norms, expectations, rituals, etc.. What a 'man' or a 'woman' are, other than physiology is more or less completely made up. It's not fixed, and has changed many times across history and across different cultures.
Someone can socialize as a woman, take exogenous hormones to align their physiology with their internal experience of gender, and even suffer through facial / genital surgery, and it's still never enough for people like you. Because they were born with certain genitals.
I guess the big question is why do you believe that the way someone was born has to define them for the rest of their lives. I think you'd be hard pressed to find people who would genuinely deny birth sex / chromosomes, but why does it matter so much to you? Why is it such a big deal? It's not something you get to choose. So someone was born with a dick but wants to express femininity or be seen as feminine, or vice versa. So what? What's bizarre to me is how people want to condemn others to fit into a mold that isn't right for them or is causing them to suffer. Because you feel icky (or threatened) about a 'dude' whose supposed to be manly and shit deciding to live in a way that feels more authentically like themselves.
We are all forced into meat prisons with a bunch of randomized parameters that we had no say about. I don't see any issue with wanting to change them. I don't see your outrage when people want to cut / dye their hair, wear glasses, tan their skin, get limb heightening surgery, and so on and so forth.
Also, even taking your framing that it's a mental illness (which is problematic, most people just say this and bring it up because they want to denigrate trans people), the illness is gender dysphoria - and the vast majority of research on the subject, and the vast majority of doctors have said that the best treatment for gender dysphoria is transitioning. So you don't even understand your own argument or take it to its logical end.
Also, also, the idea that 'the right don't want anyone to be killed or die' when America is going through a neo-nazi phase is absolutely, positively fucking laughable. Your savior Charlie Kirk wanted plenty of people to die, namely non-whites, women, and trans people. He talked about it a lot actually. Nick Fuentes is a literal neo-nazi, Stephen Miller is a literal neo-nazi. Elon Musk did a sieg heil on stage at the presidential inauguration, twice. Steve Bannon is an unabashed fascist. The list literally goes on and on of people that would cream their pants in glee at the sight of a single dead minority. You're either utterly blind or lying through your teeth because you know this. Be so for real sweetie.
Can we stop going along with the narrative that you can’t change your sex? What do you think medical transition is for?
The guy deleted his comment (and account?) but they were a self avowed conservative, and my comment made a couple logical concessions because you have to meet people where they're at. Even if you medically transition, you're not changing your birth sex. Of everything in my longwinded post defending trans people, this is what you decided to take issue with. There's no 'narrative'. Move on.
I took issue with it cause it’s wrong, you change your sex when you medically transition, not your gender, and it’s a personal pet peeve when allies make a similar claims
That's fair, but IMO it's a nitpick when the guy I was arguing with is way far on the other side of the argument. My point is that you have to make some 'concessions' sometimes in order to get someone to see the broader picture.
Yeah but I really don’t care about what that kind of filth thinks, I care about when good intentioned people make compromises to appeal to the bigots
touch grass
There are several procedures and surgeries that literally give you a penis or vagina, fym you can't change your sex?
It is a mental illness that can be extremely detrimental, correct, and the most effective treatment as of today is HRT. All they are trying to do is to get the medications they deserve.
You should look into what gender dysphoria does to people, the stuff is mad crazy. Complications range from anxiety and eating disorders all the way to deciding to end it all.
Okay, where are you from? Let me shit on your country.
Transgenderland
...That's not a real country... I don't think...
If it's not a real country then why do all the cutest girls come from there? 🏳️⚧️
Damn, you right.
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Op is probably from America, seeing how our government just made gender stuff to not be paid by insurance anymore
Yeah, no one hates America quite like an American, lol.
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I am from the USA and it fucking sucks
Okay, what state are you from?
North Dakota
Oh, thats cool. Whats it like being neighbors with everyone that lives in your state? (I'm from Pennsylvania)
Its nothing like being a cat boy with a weight gain rp fetish
I mean, I wouldnt assume so.
Seek therapy. You need it.
Except the off yourself rate remains the same even after transitioning.
I wonder why? It's almost like people get demeaned, dehumanized, and told to kill themselves because they transition. What a crazy world we live in.
Hmm... Can't possibly be because of the constant bullying and threats to our very existence, could it? Hmmm... 🤔🤔🤔
Like dude, just think abt it for like 2 miliseconds, I beg. No critical thinking skills over here. I'm crine 😭😭🙏🙏🙏
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The Jews during the holocaust had a lower off rate than trans people today. I think they were treated worse
Maybe because most of the time they were murdered before they could do it themselves? Just log off
Because getting murdered doesn't count as suicide
It actually really doesn't, it drops a lot and, incredibly, drops a lot harder in places where the social stigma and bullying is lower! It also drops off a lot more the earlier in life people start their transition whether socially or hormonally!
If you feel the need to make yourself something you aren’t then there is something deep going on you should probably seek therapy before doing something you’ll regret
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That's the point. Ive been in therapy for years, and I've concluded that I am indeed trans and have never been a man, and performing as a man is something I've never been, and I regret forcing myself so much through insistence.
The only thing I regret besides that is not having transitioned sooner and being happy much sooner.
I just don’t understand it and I don’t mean to come off rude I just can’t wrap my head around doing that to yourself it just is unnatural
Its a human variation. We born this way, It is caused during pregnancy.
Many of us suffer because of this condition, myself included. Our way out is transition.
Ohhh while I personally don’t agree with it I respect your decision
You don't have to agree, this is what science and medicine say about what we know about transgenders.
Respect us and everyone is ok.
Why am I getting downvoted.. lol
Because you’re using the tired old excuse of “it’s unnatural” even though it’s such a shitty ignorant argument and we hear it all the damn time. Modern medicine isn’t natural, but it saves lives and we would be fucked without it.
Literally most things we humans do is "unnatural", for example the thing you used to make this comment is unnatural but that doesn't mean it's wrong
Exactly, which is why I've stopped trying to pretend I'm a man and have realized I'm a woman. I'm actively in therapy too, which has helped a ton
Fun fact, there have been plentiful studies on the subject matter
Only 0,4% of people who transitioned claim to regret doing so, and of those the sole and only reasons that was given was due to
1) being bullied at school/work
2) being fired
3) being isolated from family or community
4) losing friends
And never that they changed their minds
So you can consider the following: treat trans people nicely and they won't have any regrets!
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The pain, social outcasting, and suicide can also be avoided by people like you accepting who other people are.
People like you make society as hostile as possible for trans people, and then point to the mental health challenges created by that constant hate and hostility as evidence for why you should be hateful.
Not the painful surgeries, someone think about the PAINFUL surgeries!!!
Someone tell heart transplant recipients about the horrible PAINFUL surgeries.
"Wow ur autistic? Why not just choose to be like everyone else, that would be so much easier"
Wait a sec I need to turn off my autism for a day.... 🟢🟢🟢🔊🟡🔊🟡🔊🟡🔊🔴🔴🔴..... Why didn't I think of that earlier
let me guess, you mean the 42%? you know the statistic that originally stated that the 42% where only people who considered it? not actually went through with it? fucking stupid take
Wellllll maybe consider not driving the statistically highest suicide group in all of history to kill themselves?
Why not accept that it doesn't affect you in any single way at all and you're the reason trans people commit suicide? Be less of a little crybaby bitch about something that you'll never have to deal with because you socially outcast anyone you don't like.
I'm in much less pain than before, what you say makes no sense
You think I asked to be trans?
It doesn't work this way, like telling someone who's depressed to just smile.
The stuff can get mad nasty if left untreated, and the most effective and safe way to approach it is transitioning. A lot of other medications for mental illnesses have side-effects way worse than that of HRT, so I don't think we should gatekeep it or shame people for it
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In what way?
These people really think just existing is "ramming it down their throats". The only place people like this ever hear about trans people is from their own right wing media that they choose to follow 😆